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That Batgirl Thing: It’s About Ethics in Harassing Critics of Comic Book Sexism

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A blurred-out version of the withdrawn cover art; click on pic for the original.

A dustup in the comic book world reminds us — as if any of us needed reminding — that the world of comics fandom is filled with a lot of the same sort of garbage people who’ve been harassing (mostly) women in the name of #GamerGate.

The sightly confusing story: On Friday, a bunch of “variant” comic book covers featuring The Joker alongside an assortment of other DC comics characters were posted online, with DC planning on releasing two dozen more “variant” covers for June.

One of these covers, intended for Batgirl #41, featured The Joker and a terrified-looking Batgirl, an unsettling reference to an quarter-century-old graphic novel called The Killing Joke, in which the sadistic Joker crippled Barbara Gordon, the original Batgirl, with a shot to her spine. The Joker’s sadism was highly sexualized, with the graphic novel strongly suggesting that she had also been sexually assaulted.

Well, a lot of Batgirl’s present day fans were upset by a reminder of this dark storyline, in part because, as Jude Terror writes on The Outhousers, a cover referencing sadism and sexual assault is a bit “contradictory to the lighthearted tone” of Batgirl comics today.

After hearing this criticism, the artist behind the cover, Rafael Albuquerque, asked DC Comics to pull his artwork, noting that he never meant “to hurt or upset anyone through my art.”

DC Comics granted his request. But DC’s official statement also alluded to “threats of violence and harassment,” which many people took to mean that Albuquerque and DC Comics had been bullied into pulling the artwork by, you know, those evil “social justice warriors” we hear so much about.

Nope. It was the” antisocial injustice warriors” all along. Albuquerque made clear that he hadn’t actually gotten any threats. As Batgirl writer Cameron Stewart noted, it was the people who criticized the cover who were getting threats.

That’s right. Albuquerque and DC took down the artwork because some of the DEFENDERS of the artwork were harassing critics in their name.

Ethics!

Naturally, the people who previously brought so much ETHICS! to the world of gaming have some highly ETHICAL opinions on this controversy.

On Kotaku in Action, Reddit’s home for the #GamerGate crowd, commenters complained that Albuquerque and DC had given in to “a bunch of screeching hens on Twitter.”

“Another win for the feels-censors,” one commenter lamented. “Yeah for moral panic and outrage for they win the day!” another commenter remarked sarcastically.

“I say fuck ’em,” still another commenter defiantly added. “Be as fucking edgy as you want, and if anyone complaints, just tell them “don’t buy it moron”.”

But my favorite comment is probably this one, not just for the “let me explain to you how art works” stuff but also for that slightly ironic bit at the very end.

PantsJihad 97 points 20 hours ago*   Very Amateur game dev here.  Going to come out and say that this is a huge fucking disappointment. And not because of the SJW angle, or even the censorship angle.  That cover was an incredible piece of artwork. Let me explain WHY.  Artwork, be it games, movies, music, or even a comic book cover is a means of communication. However, what makes art different from a sheet of raw data is that art is capable of conveying emotion as part of its payload, and that different consumers of the art will take different things away from it. Discussion of these differences in what we take away is what largely makes up the fun of being part of a fan base.  That image did an absolutely fantastic job of conveying the emotions of that scene. It is positively dripping with them.  What kills me the most about this, is that many people won't ever see that incredible work, stop for a moment and have a chance to admire how effectively that artist communicated the emotions of that scene. These people are being, without their knowledge, denied this experience. It is being stolen from them without their consent "for their own good" by those who can't handle a picture.  And thus, we get to the root problem of censorship. I think Mark Twain said it best when he said:      "Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak because a baby can't chew it"  Maybe it's about time these endlessly outraged types retreat to their fainting couches if they can't handle the powerful artwork being created within a medium.

Dude, I hate to have to tell you this, but you’re part of a movement whose main goal is to shut down peope who disagree with you.

#GamerGate has spent the past, what, six months, harassing and threatening and trying to ruin the lives and the livelihoods of game developers and journalists and cultural critics for the terrible crime of … saying things you don’t like about gaming culture (sometimes even while being female).

Indeed, #GamerGaters have managed to convince themselves, if very few others, that it’s somehow “unethical” for journalists to publish anything #GamerGaters don’t like. And then they complain about “censorship?”

Uh oh.
Uh oh.

H/T — Big tip of the hat today to Skiriki, for alerting me to this and providing helpful links, and to lifestyled on GamerGhazi for a post highlighting some of the best — i.e., worst — comments from GamerGaters on Reddit.

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andiexist
andiexist
6 years ago

Wow. I saw some people yelling on Twitter… and poof! WHTM covers it! Something something sacrificial mammoths!

Ira Shantz-Kreutzkamp
Ira Shantz-Kreutzkamp
6 years ago

I’m mostly just confused why DC’s staff seems so fixed on Batgirl’s part in The Killing Joke, since even its author has shown regret for how he handled her and recent developments have put the character far, far away from that ghastly incident.

MrFoster
MrFoster
6 years ago

2 things come to mind:

1- These idiots are coming to the defense of someone who does not want them to fight for him because they think it will accomplish something. Being a white cisgendered dude who makes his pro-equality ideals known on the internet I get accused of doing exactly that all the damn time. In other words:

IT’S LIKE RAAAAAAAIIIIIN ON YOUR WEDDING DAY

2-Like many previous attempts to expand GG beyond their borders, once they have to play by rules other than the ones they laid out, they get squashed like the bugs they are.

skiriki
6 years ago

Oh just wait ’till David reads the next tip. Lulz are going to be off the chart.

Mewens
Mewens
6 years ago

This has been blowing up all over my frequented sites, too.

What’s really odd to me about this whole thing isn’t DC; I can see all the jangling lines (and I’m willing to take what the parties involved have said on good faith) that would lead to this kind of mismatch and retreat.

What’s strange is the way that dudebros who don’t read Batgirl are now up in arms because “art’s being censored” (totally missing the point, as usual) – while simultaneously lambasting those weak-kneed sensitivites who can’t walk past a Den of Man ™ without being offended.

Like, the irony’s right there on the page. “I’m deeply offended that someone’s voicing how they’re offended.” A few months ago, I would have been flummoxed by the fact that the guerre du jour is made up, too … but repeated exposure has allowed me to get my head around that one these days.

Tina S
Tina S
6 years ago

Is there actually a need for artwork like this? Its good, a little too good.

Karl
Karl
6 years ago

It’s the same crap they pulled with Dr. Taylor – a man has the temerity to admit he made a mistake, so obviously he’s being bullied by teh evil feminists.

It never enters their mind that the man could have a sense of empathy, and is actually being sincere.

Bear
Bear
6 years ago

Clearly Rafael Albuquerque asked DC to pull the cover because he was bullied by screeching Twitter harpies, not because he’s a decent person who thoughtfully considered other people’s feelings and opinions and decided to act accordingly.

/sarcasm

Tessa
6 years ago

Bear:

Clearly Rafael Albuquerque asked DC to pull the cover because he was bullied by screeching Twitter harpies, not because he’s a decent person who thoughtfully considered other people’s feelings and opinions and decided to act accordingly.

I’ve had people tell me that even the artist reconsidering others opinions is bad because it alters the artist’s original intention. It’s like some quantum thing. By talking about it, you have the risk of changing it, so you must MUST be silent or you’re being an unethical censor.

steampunked (@steampunked)

Tessa, you remind me of a guitarist my husband knew, who refused to listen to music because it would ‘taint his artistry’.

He produced work about on par with the average GGer, and would get furious because no one took him seriously or liked what he did. There was a conspiracy, you know.

Bear
Bear
6 years ago

@Tessa

By talking about it, you have the risk of changing it, so you must MUST be silent or you’re being an unethical censor.

Not sure if I’m using the right word (not a native English speaker) but, the irony.

Dan Kasteray
Dan Kasteray
6 years ago

As a comic book fan of many years now, I can say that I’m not all that much a fan of the Killing Joke, and frankly there’s more to Barbara Gordon/Batgirl/Oracle than what went on in that book. As for these clowns threatening critics, that’s what art does, it draws criticism. There’s a world of difference between censoring art and criticising it. these guys want to censor art. Art can’t stand on its own merits or fall on its own merits, it in their minds falls to their politburo approval board of misogynistic douchebags.

And going back to the Previous post the USSR was Hella sexist after Lennin’s death, gamergate should love them.

Paradoxical Intention
6 years ago

>GGers and whiny dudebros whine about SJWs saying that art reflecting the book where the Joker sexually assaulting and crippling Barbra Gordon/Batgirl is totes fine and people should get over it.

>Previously whined about Gone Home and how they didn’t like it because it had lesbians but no lesbian sex/no “gameplay”/was all about feelings instead of “real gamer stuff”/”wasn’t that good but everyone’s saying it is and I don’t like it WHY DO YOU?!”

Oh the IRONY~

The IRONYYYYY~

It’s fucking HEAVY with these shitlords~

I was just flipping through one of my favorite comic blogs (it’s about Deadpool, but the author reads multiple comic books and is a disabled woman), and she was bringing this up. One of the things that really soured her to DC was how they “cured” Barbra of her paralysis, which is disabled erasure.

Oh, and I read another article on the Outhousers where they talked about how DC fumbled transgender people with the hokey, hurtful, nasty ol’ “Men who dress as women are deviants who are out to hurt women!” trope, and that smacks of even more bullshit because Barbra has a transgendered woman in her close circle of friends.

The comments did devolve into an argument about Barbra stating that the villain dressing up as her was a man in surprise (Which I think it’s fine she was surprised about it, it’s what happened later that I take issue with), but it’s a good look at how DC can’t help but get a nice thing, and throw it on the floor at some point in their possession of it.

As a comics fan, the only thing keeping me at all up to speed with what DCs doing is Wonder Woman, and anything good involving Harley Quinn (and the Injustice: Gods Among Us comic arc [based on the game by the same name] is quite good, actually. Harley gets some AMAZING characterization).

bday
6 years ago

You know, The Killing Joke was the first comic book I ever bought myself, when I was 14. It will always hold a place in my heart for that. But, while it’s got some good iconography and cute lines, it’s a really awful book in the way it just blithely uses sexualized violence and the incapacitation of women for the plot—both a horrible Batman book even in terms of characterization, and just a really awful unoriginal book.

So but as a huge fan of both characters portrayed here, it bugs the crap out of me that THIS IMAGERY IS WHAT THEY ALWAYS RETURN TO. This frightened de-powering of Barbara.

The creators (and a lot of fans I guess!) love it! They can’t get enough of it! They seem preoccupied with it to the point of obsession. It’s so disingenuous to not examine WHY. It’s boring and disgusting and alienating. And yes, this image is intense because it’s not just the pose or the expressions, it’s the larger sort of semiotic frame the image is operating in. Plus, you would never see this so gleefully done to Batman on a cover.

It’s the sort of attitude that has me not buying comics anymore, even though I still love the characters.

So while I’m glad they took it down, I’m also just sad they chose it as Batgirl’s variant cover to begin with.

(Also, the harassers might wanna choose the hill they die on a little more discerningly. Jeez.)

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Shorter Gomers: Emotions bad! Unless OUR emotions. Then emotions good. Our emotions the only valid emotions! Oogh oogh oogh.

Charles RB
Charles RB
6 years ago

So hey, SaveTheCover people, how many of you actually BUY Batgirl or were going to? This is a trick question because it’s targeted at teenage girls and twenty-somethings on tumblr., You are not buying it and never would. The people complaining at the actual customers of this comic.

Kagato
Kagato
6 years ago

One of the things that really soured her to DC was how they “cured” Barbra of her paralysis, which is disabled erasure.

That’s a problem across all aspects of character development in comics; Status Quo is God. It negatively impacts minority issues in a big way, because they’re so underrepresented in the first place; so when a topic finally comes up, it only lasts a short while before it’s undone in a return to the way things were.

It does cut both ways though. One of the few mainstream disabled characters in superhero comics, Professor X, has regained the use of his legs several times. But he always loses it again, either through a reversal of whatever happened, or a new injury resulting in the exact same condition.

With precious few exceptions, able-bodied characters don’t get permanently disabled, and disabled characters (when you can find them) won’t be made permanently able-bodied. Or, indeed, significantly changed in any other way.

skiriki
6 years ago

Oh hey, Adam Baldwin has decided to throw his weight in here too.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/03/17/the-batgirl-joker-variant-issue-goes-global-as-savethecover/

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

The people who constantly police what is and isn’t a real game and who is or isn’t a real gamer are complaining about someone criticizing a drawing? Huh.

Paradoxical Intention
6 years ago

skiriki | March 17, 2015 at 9:21 pm
Oh hey, Adam Baldwin has decided to throw his weight in here too.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/03/17/the-batgirl-joker-variant-issue-goes-global-as-savethecover/

I love how the argument is “Well, now that you’ve complained about it, people are seeing it everywhere and you’ve given it more exposure! HA!”, when that’s not what people had their beefs with.

For me, it’s a wonderful piece of art, and it fits within the canon of Batgirl, and it’s important to her history, but it’s not suitable for a cover on the current Batgirl series. The current Batgirl has a different audience now and it’s far more upbeat than that particular artwork portrays. It’s not a good fit. The writers even said this before the cover was shown.

For others, it’s a brutal reminder that Joker sexually assaulted Batgirl after shooting her in the back and paralyzing her from the waist down, but never were any arguments made (from what I’ve seen) for it to be “censored” or “erased”, only not put on a variant cover. Which isn’t even the real damn cover. It’s a variant of another cover.

Again, Gomers and their fellow dildobros are all screeching about “censorship” when that’s not even fucking happening. If they want to support the artwork or the comic, How about y’all respect the artist’s and the writers’ wishes first and foremost and let them take it down because it’s not a good fit for this series.

Stop talking over the people who made this decision, and their reasons for doing what they’re doing, and let them fucking do what they feel they need to, for fuck’s sake.

Kagato
Kagato
6 years ago

And they’re discussing this right now on the Geek & Sundry Twitch channel: http://www.twitch.tv/geekandsundry

Kagato
Kagato
6 years ago

I realise that’s useless information, as by the time anyone follows that link they’ll have moved on… but I thought the timing was notable.

If I remember I’ll come back and post a link to the relevant stream archive once it’s up.

snootle
snootle
6 years ago

It’s sad because there’s a lot of brilliant progressive and progressive friendly people making comics. And indeed there has been for quite some time (even Alan Moore, the inspiration for this piece. He frequently fails and refuses to listen to critics but his heart is in the right place).

But these dudebros are always hanging on trying to drag comics into the swamp of T&A and white male power fantasies.

wordsp1nner
wordsp1nner
6 years ago

Ironically, the controversy has probably brought the cover to more people’s attention that releasing it w/o any controversy would have. And I agree–it is not bad artwork, just a bit icky and a apparently a bad fit (I’m not reading Batgirl–should I start?).

Tessa
6 years ago

Bear:

Not sure if I’m using the right word (not a native English speaker) but, the irony.

Yeah, you used irony correctly. Another common thing is for them to say that “the artists should be able to create what they want without having to worry about people making them feel bad.”

Cyberwulf
Cyberwulf
6 years ago

boy for people who love to scream about evil censorship anti sjs sure do love harassing people who disagree with them into shutting up

ſoǝ Klǝɯɯǝɹ (@JoeKlemmer)

Saw this the other day. Good read on the subject when it first exploded.

#ChangeTheCover Is Not The #ComicsGate That #GamerGate Has Been Waiting For – Bleeding Cool http://j.mp/1Cpcw0y

strivingally
6 years ago

Not going to link directly to the image, but someone tweaked the art a little and it completely changes the tone of the cover – just by altering Barbara’s expression it turns the whole dynamic from Batgirl As Helpless Victim to Batgirl About To Fight Back.

steampunked (@steampunked)

I thought the whole assault thing was also commented on at the time about being out of character for the Joker? He’s an arch-villain psychopath, but his schtick has never been about sex. There’s a number of running commentaries on that – he’s supposed to be equally terrifying to everyone, not worse to women in specific.

In other words, he ain’t The Comedian from Watchmen.

Indeed, the Joker has a re-occuring one-sided love interest he shows near-zero interest in, at least in that way.

M.
M.
6 years ago

I still think the most fucked up thing about this is the way DC handled it (let’s be honest, we’d only be surprised if the #Gits didn’t shit their outrage-diapers about this).

We publish comic books about the greatest heroes in the world, and the most evil villains imaginable. The Joker variant covers for June are in recognition of the 75th anniversary of the Joker.

Regardless if fans like Rafael Albuquerque’s homage to Alan Moore’s THE KILLING JOKE graphic novel from 25 years ago, or find it inconsistent with the current tonality of the Batgirl books – threats of violence and harassment are wrong and have no place in comics or society.

We stand by our creative talent, and per Rafael’s request, DC Comics will not publish the Batgirl variant. – DC Entertainment

“Poor wording” my ass, they deliberately made it as vague as possible so it’d sound like we were the harassers and the #Gits were innocent. What the fuck is wrong with them?

Paradoxical Intention
6 years ago

@M.:

Yeah, DC dropped the ball on that one. They should have been more specific, though the artist, Rafael Abuqueerque and one of the writers, Cameron Stewart did clarify who was being attacked, despite the fact that they should have never have been in that position in the first place.

karleenamarx
6 years ago

@strivingally I hadn’t seen that yet! I actually would’ve been totally ok with that version. Still not quite perfect for the current tone of Batgirl, but it does maintain the artistry of the first while giving Barbara the agency she deserves.
I’m really happy with Albuquerque’s and DC’s responses. It’s always awesome when people take criticism as an opportunity to do better rather than a personal attack. After all, no one is saying the cover wasn’t artistically well-done, just not a good fit. I’m loving Batgirl and it would have been a bad move to go forward with a cover that would have upset a lot of current readers and off put new ones. Reminds me a little of the Spider-Woman variant controversy.

Ira Shantz-Kreutzkamp
Ira Shantz-Kreutzkamp
6 years ago

For everyone asking/wondering “Should I read the current Batgirl series?” the answer to my mind is “Maybe? I dunno, what do you like?” It’s a light-hearted, very self-consciously modern comic focusing on Youth Culture especially in how it’s shaped by the internet and the tech-savvy. Its action is a lot like Silver Age Batman, where beating people up with martial arts took a back seat to whipping out wacky gadgets and using them in novel ways.

One thing I’ve been seeing time and again is how…fluffier distaff stories are. She-Ra isn’t as ‘important’ as He-Man, Batgirl, especially now, isn’t shaping or changing how Gotham is, it’s about a person living in a world defined and controlled by other characters. The previous Batgirl series written by Gail Simone and drawn by somebody with a less cartoony style was a lot more like a female version of the modern Batman, somebody engaged in that world rather than living in a differently-coloured corner of it where people smile and bodies don’t show up every week on a street corner. It’s a lot more escapist.

If that sounds like something you’d like, maybe you would enjoy the current run of Batgirl? Don’t ask me, I don’t know your mind.

chaltab
chaltab
6 years ago

For what it’s worth, it’s a well drawn and fun book but it’s just doesn’t feel like a Barbara Gordon comic to me. Barbara acts like Stephanie Brown except a computer genius.

Kagato
Kagato
6 years ago

Ah! Figured out Twitch’s archive and timestamp stuff, and found the segment.
It’s at the 16min 40sec mark.

http://www.twitch.tv/geekandsundry/v/3913871?t=16m40s

dvarghundspossen
6 years ago

Kagato is spot on – always return to how things were before!
Btw, I always found it weird that Barbara had a wheelchair like the ones people use in our world. They have all this incredible sci-fi-tech in the DCU, and she rides around on plain old wheels? I have a comic where they handwave this by having Barbara say that she doesn’t wanna be a cyborg. Fine – but why didn’t she have a chair that could climb stairs or, heck, FLY?
I guess there’s some value in having a disabled character bein presented in a realistic way, but within the context of DCU it seemed unrealistic to me.

Bear
Bear
6 years ago

I’ve read The Killing Joke and I never picked up on the implied sexual assault. Though, it has been some years since I last read it and I’m better at seeing nuances and implied things now then I was before.

@strivingally – I actually really like the tweaked version.

@dvarghundspossen – I vaguely remember reading an issue where pre-boot Oracle!Babs explained that she didn’t want to be magically/alien-tech cured or have other “special treatments” because it felt like cheating? Like, if normal people didn’t have access to the stuff, why should she?

blahlistic (@blahlistic)

I really like the tweaked image; she’s about to hand the Joker his innards.

Michael Lindsay
6 years ago

Want to bet these are the same dorks who are “offended” by the new Thor?

Paradoxical Intention
6 years ago

Michael Lindsay | March 18, 2015 at 1:58 am
Want to bet these are the same dorks who are “offended” by the new Thor?

I don’t take sucker’s bets.

Though, I did notice a lot of the people who were calling for the variant cover to stay were talking about “respecting artistic integrity” and “respecting the artist”.

I just tweeted at a girl a while ago to tell her that the artist was the one who asked for the cover to be changed.

Zolnier
Zolnier
6 years ago

I wouldn’t mind a callback to the Killing Joke, except this basically puts Barbara back in the position of the victim.

lkeke35
6 years ago

@Karl: Of course! After all, with the exception of the Redpillers themselves, men are all just mindless creatures that can be swayed in any direction by a feeemales evil wiles. You know!

@Snootle:which is exactly the reason I stopped reading superhero comics because so much of it seemed to boil down to fight scenes in bikinis, male power fantasies and gratuitous T&A. Its sad becasue I still love superheroes but I won’t read them anymore. I still read comics. Just not those.

Steampunkd: I was just thinking in that myself. He has never shown any kind of sexual interest in anyone or anything ( except for the one time he goosed Batman, but that wasn’t about sex). Sexual assault sounds horribly out of character for him, which is another reason I hated what they did to Barbara. It was pointless from every angle.

@Michael Lindsey: I’ll take that bet and raise you a Wonder Woman redesign and a Muslim Marvel Girl.

lkeke35
6 years ago

I saw some of the alternate cover tweets, every single one of which completely misses the point of why anyone objected to the cover in the first place. And why the artist himself decided to pull it. Also completely missing the point that it’s not an actual cover and never was.

I should be long inured to the lack of basic reading comprehension of your average Internet misogynist, but I’m not.

Why?

NickNameNick
NickNameNick
6 years ago

I’ve been discussing this on Facebook all day and, by God, I’m drained. It’s like this shit never ends…

The thing I’m growing weary of how often I hear of “the outrage” and, when finally seeing what angers them so, it becomes obvious how disproportionately explosive their reaction is in comparison. The reality is some people voiced their dislike of the cover, explained why, and the artist decided to respectfully listen to them. They, as well as myself and others, are accused of being “oversensitive” and that is how they react to something they dislike? It’s even worse all these assholes act as if they’re the voice of reason – even as they petulantly dismiss and shout down anyone who criticizes, perhaps speaking in unison as they all use the same talking points.

If the cover (or even that grotesque Milo Manara-illustrated Spider-Woman one) did actually make it to print, none of them would really give a shit about the cover. It’d just another thing to take for granted as entitled fanboys, as they usually do. Besides, shouldn’t the thing that matter be the content behind the cover? Of course, but it’s not about that – it’s the fact opinions were expressed that did not coincide with their own. As well as their need to be constantly indulged and then subsequently validated, as it makes them feel special.

AltoFronto
AltoFronto
6 years ago

http://th00.deviantart.net/fs70/200H/f/2012/207/9/4/super_reality_climax_by_kitty4president-d58nna6.png

Seems the exclusionary comic dude-bros aren’t actually doing anything different these days, they’re just slapping the word “ethical” onto their same whiny opinions to justify them.

DC should have pissed on their bonfire by making it 100% clear that it’s the “SaveTheCover” brigade sending the threats. The only way GG is going to fizzle out is if their beloved franchises put their foot down and tell them to fuck off. It’s not as if DC’s going to lose out by refusing to tolerate GG’s boorish shenanigans – even if they throw a tantrum, they’re going to have to play nice if they want access to their Batman comics.

Dvärghundspossen
6 years ago

@Bear: That sounds like a really phony explanation. She has no trouble taking advantage of the super-advanced computers, teleporters and shit that the Justice League has got. What’s the difference between that and having a super-high-tech chair? I get that some people would feel uncomfortable with being turned into a cyborg and have tech inside their body, but being okay with using all kinds of sci-fi-tech and then drawing an arbitrary line when it comes to your chair just feels like… They wanted her in a traditional wheelchair and desperately tried to make up an ad hoc reason for why she has one.

Tessa
6 years ago

In some forums, people are completely missing the point of the problem with the cover and illustrate their lack of understanding by stating that nobody complained about this cover. Since you know, they’re so the same thing.

Bear
Bear
6 years ago

@Dvärghundspossen – IKR. I really liked the fact that as Oracle, Babs was representative of people with disabilities, but the way they just handwave away the reasons why she’s in a normal wheelchair as opposed to a Batwheelchair doesn’t make sense.

I actually think that it would be a very Batfamily thing to do to add all sorts of gadgets and upgrades into Babs’ wheelchair.

Kakanian
Kakanian
6 years ago

Is anyone here still in the pipe concerning video games? Is it true that demos are harder to come by these days?

@dvarghundspossen
Science is basically magic and magic is science in these universes. So Dr. Strange could indeed build a flying wheelchair for her, but Reed Richards could only build one that operates within the reach of his personal mana field. It’s how things work.

Shalimar
Shalimar
6 years ago

Whenever I hear that Gamergaters have a new issue, I think “what would be the most insensitive, dickish take on this possible?” I have yet to read further and find they were more reasonable than I thought they would be. They have managed to be far more imaginative in thinking up new ways to be an asshole than I could foresee, though.

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