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Yelling at people on the Internet IS our activism, A Voice for Men's Paul Elam declares

Paul Elam, "talking without fear or capitulation" on his internet radio show with "Dr. T." Yes, "Going Mental" is the actual name of their show on mental health issues.
Paul Elam, “talking without fear or capitulation” on his internet radio show with “Dr. T.” Yes, “Going Mental” is the actual name of their show on mental health issues.

I‘ve often pointed out, as many others have noticed as well, that the so-called Men’s Rights movement does pretty much nothing to help men in any practical way.

MRAs complain that there are no domestic violence shelters for men, but they (with literally one exception that I know of) aren’t willing to do the work necessary to actually set up such shelters. They point out the truly horrifying numbers of rapes in prison, but they don’t actually work with groups trying to stop rape and other forms of sexual abuse in prison — nor do they try to fight against “the war on drugs” and other policies that put an astounding number of young men of color in prison. I could go on and on and on with more examples, but you get the idea.

Well, it turns out that the Men’s Rights movement’s utter failure to help men in any practical way isn’t a bug; it’s a feature. At least according to PAul Elam, head cheese at A Voice for Men and probably the most visible and influential man in the movement.

In a post on AVFM earlier this week, an obviously angry Elam took aim at what he described as a “wave” of “concern trolls” — there were two of them — trying to suggest that the Men’s Rights movement needs to do more than talk.

Elam disagrees. Essentially appointing himself not just A but The Voice for Men’s Rights,  he declared:

You want to know what this movement is about? It is very, very simple in my opinion. The MHRM I envision is about one simple thing. Talking without fear or capitulation.

Seriously. That is it. It is about nothing more than people talking to each other, openly and freely, in a world that does not want them to.

Huh. I’m pretty sure something like that already exists. It’s called “the internet.” As much as you enjoy doing it, Paul, you’re not the first person to come up with the idea of yelling at women on the internet.

Anyway, what about, you know, lobbying the government for redress of your grievances? Elam says no, declaring that what he perversely calls the Men’s Human Rights Movement

is not about passing a Violence Against Men Act or any other form of government reliance on justice and personal liberty. I, Paul Elam, am not running for office. I don’t give a fudgsicle or a rat’s ash who likes me and who doesn’t. I am not looking for a men’s rights parade on Men’s Rights Victory Day in Washington, D.C. …

Neither I nor AVFM has a legislative agenda, nor any politicians to endorse, nor lobbying to accomplish because none of that is of any value in a society that still refuses to accept reality.

What about the idea of setting up shelters or raising money for men’s health or something, anything, that might help troubled men? Again, Elam says no.

There are no plans to form a committee for research for testicular cancer or to build a men’s shelter. AVFM does not have a program to reform family courts.

But what about all the stuff you talk about in your mission statement? You know, like getting rid of rape shield laws, “dispens[ing] with child support except in special circumstances,” making paternity tests “mandatory on demand by any alleged father at any time.”

Sure, if you look at our mission statement you will see many items that will require political and judicial remedy to ultimately accomplish. That, however is not our job at AVFM to accomplish directly.

I suppose that’s just as well, given that most of AVFM’s demands are backwards and ridiculous.

If Elam and his followers just wanted to run an online publication rather than an activist group, that would certainly be their right. But unfortunately their idea of “talking without fear or capitulation” includes libeling and doxing and harassing their opponents.

That’s a form of “activism,” I suppose, but it has a lot more in common with the strategies of those who oppose human rights than it does with the strategies of those actually trying to protect human rights.

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Paradoxical Intention
9 years ago

I’m just going to sit back and wait for one of these chucklefucks to wander in here and start screeching about context and how we just “twisted” Paulie’s words to make it sound like he’s not actually doing anything at all.

Dreadnought
Dreadnought
9 years ago

“Cultural revolutions are not products of a social popularity, business as usual ethos. Real social change is not legislated or determined by Nielson rankings. It is not approved or disapproved by the Southern Poverty Law Center. They are not fomented nor are they broken at the ballot box.”

Instead Elam has decided that cultural revolutions are products of stongly worded articles posted on a public forum. Oh dear me, I think I can hear the collective trembling of all feminists. All Elam needs to do now is type his articles in all capitals and end each sentence with a bunch of exclamation marks and the feminists will capitulate.

Seriously though, all Elam wants to do is whine and complain and cares only about his wallet.

Tina S
Tina S
9 years ago

Uh, ok. So what do you do? This makes no sense.

Ibis
9 years ago

So does this mean we can stop calling them a “movement”? Please? Or “activists” for that matter? And…since they admit they’re not really about rights–men’s or otherwise–can we just stop calling them MRAs too?

Lady Mondegreen
Lady Mondegreen
9 years ago

Cultural revolutions are not products of a social popularity, business as usual ethos. Real social change is not legislated or determined by Nielson rankings. It is not approved or disapproved by the Southern Poverty Law Center. They are not fomented nor are they broken at the ballot box.

That’s nice, Pauly. But anybody smarter than an MRA (ie, everybody not an MRA) is bound to notice that it’s a non sequitur. It does fuckall to explain why you can’t be arsed to use your influence–or the money your deluded followers donate–to actually do anything concrete to help men.

weirwoodtreehugger
9 years ago

I am going to link to this anytime I see an MRA whining about feminism not addressing men’s issues. If they aren’t going to do activism for themselves, they sure as shit can’t expect anyone else to do it for them. If they won’t do it, Katie won’t either.

Using social media for activism has its uses but there needs to be meat space activism too or it’s not a movement.

ktrantingredhead
9 years ago

-sings- D is for douchebag, that’s good enough for me….

Kestrel
Kestrel
9 years ago

I recommend we reclassify Elam and co. as MRW i.e MR Whiners.

Kestrel
Kestrel
9 years ago

Umm. I am a little confused about “Katie” that people have been referring to. Could someone please give me a hint what I need to look up in the archive? Thank you.

Citizen Justin
9 years ago

I hope this makes the people who donate to Mr Elam see just how deserving he really is.

isidore13
isidore13
9 years ago

It was in the comments, Kestrel. A troll made reference to zie’s feminist friend Katie and it caught on, as these things do.

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
9 years ago

The men’s rights movement to the men who need help from them
http://youtu.be/rFSJ9LWGvgs
All Pr*ck elam cares about is money, he certainly has something in common with mr krabs
http://youtu.be/LzNL7Opf0bU
We shouldn’t call the men’s rights movement a ‘movement’ or ‘activism’ it’s a terrorist group

Annie Squidface
9 years ago

Helping men by disgusting the public to such a degree that they DON’T want to help men. Great.

KSRay
KSRay
9 years ago

Point being…they really think that harassing people online is “raising awareness”

It is. The He-Man Woman Haters Club, aka MRAs, are raising people’s awareness of what assholes they are.

Bina
9 years ago

Point being…they really think that harassing people online is “raising awareness”

Well, in a way, it is. It raises other people’s awareness of what trolls and bozos they all are.

Bina
9 years ago

…and gazumped!

Tessa
Tessa
9 years ago

They point out the truly horrifying numbers of rapes in prison, but they don’t actually work with groups trying to stop rape and other forms of sexual abuse in prison

And had lots of fun joking about rapes in prison at their convention. Why try to stop it when it’s great for joking about and using it to try to silence feminists.

Tessa
Tessa
9 years ago

That and the fact he has no intention of activisting anyway.

soren287
soren287
9 years ago

Hey, I know it says soren287, but it’s Chroniclurker. I’m just popping in to see if the icon thing I did is working.

soren287
soren287
9 years ago

nope…

Kootiepatra
Kootiepatra
9 years ago

Assemblage of Virulently Fuming Misogynists.

I get the feeling that Elam is trying to steal a page from the White Ribbon (the real one) playbook, “Well, we never claimed to run DV shelters; our goal is to raise awareness. We say that in, like, all of our publicity materials.” I seem to remember him castigating them for this.

But I guess since people came to White Ribbon’s defense, he decided this is now a bulletproof excuse for not doing activism. Except he’s missing the part about actually explaining your purpose accurately in your mission statement. And the part about actually raising awareness through organized campaigns. And the part about focusing on legitimate societal problems.

Tessa
Tessa
9 years ago

Another thing… Men’s Rights Activists? More like Men’s Rights Inactivists!

wordsp1nner
wordsp1nner
9 years ago

In honor of Friday the Thirteenth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M71Qj11UhDE

wordsp1nner
wordsp1nner
9 years ago

Huh. Trying again on the embedding:

Tigerbos
Tigerbos
9 years ago

Can his followers continue to be so stupid that they give him money hand over fist when he refuses to DO anything? Yes please, continue to give this man money so your movement continues to sit there and do nothing. He is doing what MRA’s are best at – sitting around bitching while doing NOTHING to help in the areas they say need fixing. What a crock.