So internet garbage person Matt Forney has written another one of his deliberately awful Return of Kings posts designed to create outrage and deliver page views. This latest one, like his previous attempts in this genre, is a clickbaity list of “5 Reasons Why Girls With Mental Disorders Should Be Shunned” as “unworthy of your love.”
It would be easy enough to point out the irony of the thoroughly grotesque Forney declaring women with mental disorders to be “gross” fatties with stinky butts. (This is item 4 on his list. No, really.) Especially since he’s doing it on a website run by a dude who seems to resent the fact that he has to wipe his own ass.
But I’m more interested in the post’s “featured comment,” a miniature manifesto singled out by Return of Kings’ reluctant-ass-wiper-in-chief Roosh V as the best response to Forney’s post (and sporting more than 80 upvotes from the site’s terrible readers).
In it, someone calling himself Wi Tu Lo — after declaring Forney’s post to be “a major public service” — warns that “a large percentage of American women are dangerous to men.”
As he sees it, women who claim to have been hurt by men are merely indulging in “manufactured victim-hood” in order to gain sympathy and demonize men as
part of the patriarchy and just one step away from murdering the women in their lives.From ADHD over-diagnoses of young boys, to false accusations of rape in college, to workplaces oppressed with the fear of accusations of sexual harassment, society has manufactured a sense that males are inherently mentally ill and this mental illness must be dealt with harshly, without remorse, and even randomly in order to “make a point.”
This is, not to put too fine a point on it, utter bullshit. Pointing out that men are far more likely to assault, rape, and kill women than vice versa is not the same as suggesting that all men are “inherently mentally ill” and/or “one step away from murdering the women in their lives.” Most men who inflict harm upon women are not “crazy.” They’re violent assholes with an overblown sense of entitlement.
In reality, however, men are generally psychologically healthy. The only major disorder that men suffer disproportionately is schizophrenia and that is a tiny percentage of all males. Most men live in an unforgiving environment that quickly knocks out all self-delusion, which is the basis of most psychological and personality disorders.
Even setting aside the ludicrous notion that mental illness can be cured by, in essence, telling someone to “snap out of it,” men aren’t any more or less “psychologically healthy” than women. As the World Health Organization notes, “[o]verall rates of psychiatric disorder are almost identical for men and women.” There are, to be sure, differences between men and women in what disorders they suffer from, with women (for example) more likely to be depressed and men more likely to be diagnosed with “antisocial personality disorder,” known loosely as “psychopathy.”
Schizophrenia is, as Wi Tu Lo notes, very rare. But men don’t “suffer [it] disproportionately.” It’s equally common — that is, equally rare — for men and women.
All this said, mental illness doesn’t cause crime or violence; the majority of violent abusers are, as Wi Tu Lo would misleadingly put it, “psychologically healthy.”
But no matter, because his rant is all about misogyny, not facts.
The real dangers to society today are women. Women today are a danger to themselves, to men, and to other women. The sickness of Western society has created a feedback loop that promotes and even drives female mental illness. Sick politicians and media promote destructive public policy, which in turn promotes the further degradation of women, which in turn requires more policy and media attention …. a feedback loop to societal ruin.
How can we warn men of this terrible danger?
We need educational camps. Even re-education camps. Run by professional men in order to serve men. … A key component of this should be to teach men about the manifestations of cultural sickness into the mental illnesses presented by women in large numbers. How to recognize them, how to avoid them, and how to deal with them on a short term basis while making an escape plan. (There is no long term “dealing” with it).
As Wi Tu Lo sees it, human survival depends on men escaping the clutches of evil, “crazy” women.
From Borderline Personality Disorder to histrionic states to violent expression of psychopathy – the rates of mental illness among women is the largest threat to the human species ever experienced. In our day-to-day lives, we can unwittingly step into it and be engulfed, to our ruin, within a matter of minutes. It’s time to wake up to the threat and do something constructive about it. These women cannot be helped, but we can help ourselves.
Quick question, dude: if you convince all men to “escape” from women, how are these women going to have babies? I mean, I don’ want to be a nit-picker here, but if there were no more babies the human species would simply vanish from the earth once everyone now alive died. And civilization would likely go to shit pretty much immediately.
Of course, neither Wi Ti Lo nor any of Roosh’s other awful followers are really interested in “saving” civilization or anything like it. The manosphere — like the “dark enlightenment” that it overlaps with and takes much inspiration from — is at its heart little more than a nihilistic fantasyland, a weird inverted “safe space” for men who want to blame all their personal deficiencies on women and their, er, “degenerate fucking beta cuck army of white knight assholes.”
Please, fellas, go ahead and make your “escape plans.” And then, for god’s sake, carry them (and yourself) out — preferably to a remote island thousands of miles away from the rest of us.
You know who should fucking be shunned? The people who hang out at RoK!!!
“We need educational camps. Even re-education camps. Run by professional men in order to serve men.”
Yeah, right. Sounds like a stealth femi-nazi plot to me! FEMA! Benghazi! Kenya! ARGLEBARGLE!
Re-education camps, for men to “serve” men, sounds horrifyingly ominous, but not in the way I think the writer intended.
Oh yeah David, when you write these little intros, I dont believe there’s really any need to qualify some of them with words like “deliberate”, or garbage, or grotesque. Once you mention the website and a name, I think it’s uniformly understood by everyone, that whoever or whatever you’ll be quoting, will be distinctly awful.
Sheesh, ANOTHER article by Forney listing ways in which women, preferably ones within a vulnerable minority, should be reviled and dismissed just so people will pay attention to him? I wonder if he’ll manage to court some death threats this time, I expect he’ll be very disappointed if he doesn’t.
Could someone please give that boy some fresh ideas, his one note has grown really stale.
PLEASE WI TI LO TAKE YOU AND YOUR ROK FRIENDS AND FUCK OFF INTO THE SUNSET.
FOREVER.
Why the fuck do these assholes think that women would want them in the first place? If good-natured people were able to we’d boot them out of western civilisation exactly like what they claim to desire (except for the being forcibly expelled part I guess).
If they want an escape plan from women, all they need to do is wear a Return of the Kings t-shirt, and we’ll leave them alone.
Ikeke: Honestly, sometimes it’s necessary to vent, and I can’t blame David for picking up a few aggressive verbal ticks talking about this shit.
“Our starting point is not the individual, and we do not subscribe to the view that one should feed the hungry, give drink to the thirsty, or clothe the naked… our objectives are entirely different: we must have a healthy people in order to prevail in the world.”
—Joseph Goebbels, Minister of Propaganda, 1938
The foul commenter’s name is misspelled twice in this post. He named himself ‘Wi To Lo’, presumably after that racist prank where someone managed to fool a tv news station into reporting bogus names of Asiana pilots: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17GbGmDORwk
Do you need a specific degree or some sort of training program to qualify as a “professional man”? Is the career track for professional men similar to the one for professional victims?
I bet he was wearing a white coat, a head mirror and a stethoscope when he wrote that because it’s an amazing bit of medical knowledge.
Bonus points for any RofK writers who complain about other people, mostly women, being self-deluded and self-obsessed.
IIRC, David finds Matt Foley way more awful than most other manosphere assholes, which is really saying something considering the competition.
So, avoid mentally ill women at all costs, but date women with eating disorders? How does that work?
Wait…isn’t this the same guy who recommended dating a woman with an eating disorder, which would be a defined mental illness?
The mind, it boggles.
What *is it* with these guys and the “re-education camps”?? They spend all their time deciding who’s an abomination to be put into a camp, and all that other eugenics-y shit, and yet we’re the Femi-nazis?
I swear one of them literally proposed the plot of The Handmaid’s Tale earlier this week… I can’t remember where… It was either a manospherian manifesto, or a news report on ISIS militancy, I forget which one of those it was, because they’re getting to be indistinguishable.
[rates of mental illness among women is the largest threat to the human species ever experienced. In our day-to-day lives, we can unwittingly step into it and be engulfed, to our ruin, within a matter of minutes.]
you heard it here, folks. Mental Illness is pretty much like The Blob, or a river full of piranhas, or some kind of giant swarm of Killer Bees.
“THE HYSTERIA” could be a crap B-movie I would watch.
Thinking of it, I bet he got everything he understands about mental illness from watching 28 Days Later.
Article says:
I clicked on the linked study and the abstract says:
(Bolded parts mine.)
One of the first things I was ever taught in my psychological statistics classes is that there’s a difference between correlation and causation. Also, based on the abstract, the greater substance dependence, while more true for women is also applicable to men, if I’m understanding this correctly.
TL;DR read whatever the fuck you’re linking before you start making claims.
That’s especially ironic when you consider that some mental conditions are under diagnosed in women… Because symptoms differ between men and women, and male symptoms are considered the standard ones.
Because of that, women with for example ADHD and Aspergers are frequently undiagnosed and don’t receive proper treatment. And women with antisocial personality disorder are often misdiagnosed as borderline, as they more rarely have violent tendencies.
So he’s right that mental illness in women is often not recognised. But when mental illness goes undiagnosed and untreated, the first to suffer are the mentally ill people themselves, not the poor menz who must be protected from the crazy ladies.
They already escaped from women, and other men, cause they live in their own little online world. Please stay there and never get out into real life….
Indeed women who are SLUT SHAMED are at higher risk to get mentally ill……depressed…or other things.
Oh, David, just thought I should mention that the origin of this commenter’s name is
http://www.snopes.com/media/goofs/ktvu.asp
Just the other day they were saying that women who attempt suicide are just attention whores and not really ill. Now we’re all crazy?
Make up your mind about which terrible viewpoint you’re pushing RoK!
Best twitter account EVER…..
https://twitter.com/ReturnOfCucks
That should be, “Also, based on the abstract, the greater substance dependence, while more applicable for women is also applicable to men, if I’m understanding this correctly.”
Or something. This sentence in my previous comment is weird and it’s too early in my timezone for coherence.
Please. Take borderline personality disorder. We don’t want it! It really should be eliminated. That the DSM 5 didn’t take up emotional dysregulation instead is a travesty. And the number of (mostly women) who have (complex) post traumatic stress disorder (let alone dissociative identity disorder) who get diagnosed with borderline personalities instead is disgusting. Make it go away. Take it. We’ll give it away GLADLY! I’ll even personally throw in a non-poison cake to these fellows if they can make it go away.
I actually can’t decide which I hate more – MRAs or stigma. Way to go guys! You’re on the up and up!
We need educational camps. Even re-education camps. Run by professional men in order to serve men.
They obviously don’t read their own stuff, it wasn’t accompanied by watching some Leni Riefenstahl Olympia & last of the Nuba, Turkish oil wrestling, plenty of fresh air, sunshine and athletics. Posters adverting these “education” camps by Tom of Finland natch. Maybe it could be called Kraft durch Freude, (strength through joy) because they are becoming happier and stronger by attending their reeducation camps… Sorry lads Europe tried it in the 1930’s&40’s, didn’t catch on then won’t catch on now. I do enjoy their comedy posts, it is comedy isn’t it?, post modern irony I hope
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-u2elR1FSybo/UEefhGqSB-I/AAAAAAAABJo/NhecHpsVPPg/s1600/Lucille+gif+ugh.gif
I love* how they say that they need “protection” from all the “crazy American females”, and at the same time, completely deny that men get mental illnesses at all! Or, they do, but it’s not so bad! Grow a pair, menz! Suck it up! You’re a manly man and you just need to stop being so self-deluded with your made-up “autism” or “PTSD” or whatever you’re saying you have! It’s obviously all in your head! [/sarcasm]
These guys are a danger to both men and women. If it were up to them, men wouldn’t get treatment for mental illnesses at all, and women would either be in a horrific asylum or in sex slavery.
*and by “love”, I mean completely abhor.