Today, a meme that’s so vile I’m going to hide it behind a link.
Roosh V’s Return of Kings site describes itself as “a safe space on the web for those men who don’t agree with the direction that Western culture is headed.”
Apparently these guys don’t feel truly safe unless they’re saying horrific things about women. Like, for example, this meme, taken from the “featured comment” in the discussion of a recent ROK post, which suggests that women “fail to properly kill themselves” because “women are incompetent.”
And it gets worse from there, which is why it’s behind a link.
Congratulation, ROK meme-maker! You have managed to trivialize suicide, insult women, and weirdly glorify men who kill themselves.
Suicide, not funny.
If you’re in the US, contact the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline if you’re feeling troubled. Call or click on the graphic below to get help. Or click here to find out how to volunteer.
H/T — r/TheBluePill
Sorry about the block quote fail again.
You know that old trite stereotype, Daddy beats Momma, Momma beats Child, Child beats Baby, Baby beats the dog? Well, the Pearls are that in a nutshell. If you read Created to Be His Helpmeet (or Libby Anne’s summaries), it is very clear that Michael Pearl is an abusive husband, and the pair wrote a *very popular* book that basically says real men are abusive, and if you try to stand up for yourself, he’ll leave you and you’ll end up living in a lesbian relationship in a duplex (which possibly wins the award for least scary threat ever).
They also wrote a child abuse manual promoting beating your children into mindless obedience. And then having the older children beat the younger ones. Or else they’ll end up as un-Christian drug addicts.
Sign me up for the lesbian duplex any day.
(Libby Anne grew up in a Quiverfull family, so she knows what she’s talking about. Here are her posts on Created to be his Helpmeet: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/tag/created-to-be-his-help-meet
And her posts on To Train Up a Child: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/tag/to-train-up-a-child
And we need this:
I had a yelling match with a former friend of mine over this topic. Another friend of mine abandoned their game in order to help an ex who was threatening to kill herself. My ex-friend then went on a rant about how suicidal people are stupid and should never call out for help, that if they really want to die they should just die.
Considering I’ve had experience with being suicidal, I took it personally, and let him know that he just insulted me and told me that I should just die. And I was very loud about it.
The only person I know who committed suicide… I don’t think she told anyone (which is probably why she died). Her family knew she had bipolar disorder, and she was being treated, but bipolar disorder is a difficult disease to treat, and it wasn’t under as much control as they thought.
She left behind a husband and two young children.
I don’t know how she died–Mom clearly didn’t want to tell me and I thought it was ghoulish to ask.
If that was a sitcom, I’d watch the hell out of it.
Chant along with me! Oh, there’ll never be a clever MRA! There’ll never be a clever MRA! They’ve got a brain just like a flea, drive an ’86 Capri, oh, there’ll never be a clever MRA!
@katz “If that was a sitcom, I’d watch the hell out of it.”
Me too!
Here’s a great little horror short about the consequences of trivializing suicide.
DAYWALT HORROR: Suicide Girl: http://youtu.be/2uoAPMjen0Y
It perhaps goes without saying, but TW for depictions of suicide. Non gory though.
One thing that pisses me off is that after the death of Robin Williams the dialogue surrounding depression and suicide still hasn’t changed. He was famous, rich, accomplished, beloved, had great family and friends and yet was still so miserable that he saw no other way. For the space of about a week people were saying “well if he of all people was that badly affected then I guess depression is actually an uncontrollable disease, not just a bad attitude” but a month or two later and a common response to mental illness is STILL “well be grateful for what you have” or “others have it worse” or “just get out there and do something”.
Such a wonderful star died and we’ve learnt nothing from it. There was a perfect opportunity to understand on a larger scale that depression is serious fucking business and it can affect ANYONE. But no. Let’s go back to the easy peasy square one in telling sufferers that they should just pick themselves up by their bootstraps.
>:(
Sadly, over the years I have known or known of quite a few people who have taken their own lives. Many of them have been women. Sexual abuse in childhood/ teens has often been a strong factor.
I think these guys are definitely in a rivalry as to who can come up with the worst possible memes/ articles. I wonder if they will ever look back and regret spending so much times being an utter waste of space, committed to making vulnerable people feel even worse. I would like to hope, but I think it is unrealistic.
I don’t understand this level of hate. I cannot imagine spending so much energy on something so vile.
@Lea:
Seconded. It takes so much energy to hate, and often it’s over some very minor difference between yourself and the other that is no real cause for conflict (meaning they can do or believe whatever it is without interfering with yourself and vice versa).
I see, “Well you’re intolerant too!” but the difference is that it’s an intolerance for intolerance and hate that often acts on and causes problems for other people.
@Ellesar
They’re starting to get to the point where I’m not sure how much worse they can get. With Roosh saying that rape on private property should be legal, Peter Nolan telling women to submit to men or face violence, and now this dude actually saying “Ladies if you’re going to try and take your own life please actually succeed at it”. He is literally wishing for women to die.
And they say feminists are the hateful ones.
Well stats say that women tend to use pills, slitting their wrists, jumping, or other “softer” methods of suicide. IE something that’s more likely for them to survive and/or someone can stumble over them to save them. Men tend to use “harder” methods. Like guns, hanging, or in some cases explosives and chainsaws. (Yes those last two happened. A burn out EMT, like had seen more then a D-Day vet, stole a 1.4 stick of dynamite and put in his mouth…. IT was effective. Messy but effect. And a guy took a running chainsaw to his neck. TWICE! And survived! Though he apparently looked like Frankstein’s monster because of it.)
That link?
I wish I knew how to imbed images. Cause that needs the badgernope gif…
Um…thanks for the imagery, but can we not? Something about those last couple sentences really disturbs me, especially given the OP/meme.
All the nope. I can’t even.
My stepson was one of the successful suicides after a few failed attempts, and a woman my husband and I think of as our honorary daughter (we are close with her mother and other sisters) is one of the multiple failed (thankfully!) suicide attempts.
Both of them suffered and she continues to suffer from mental health issues. She, as a woman, has been socialized to talk and share, and ask for help. As for my stepson, no talking, no trying to help him could get through. He was not forthcoming in general, but it was obvious that he had trouble reconciling himself with the culture of toxic masculinity.
These idiots using suicide as a political chewtoy make me sick.
Oh god, we don’t need visual aids.
Should I click on the big David head and ask for a redaction?
Crud, shouldn’t have quoted the parenthetical sentences. Sorry.
Falconer:
Glad I’m not the only one who found that description disturbingly unnecessary.
Well, I guess the next step in getting attention on the internet is to engage in eliminationist rhetoric towards women, minorities, the elderly, anyone with mental illnesses or physical disabilities – essentially, anyone who doesn’t resemble them or makes them uncomfortable in some way.
So many of these bottomdwellers have the mentality of “let’s cull the weak from the herd”. As soon as they smell blood in the water, they move in. “Oh, you’re a member of a vulnerable population? And you’re feeling vulnerable? Let me pile on.” It’s a cheap way for the powerless to feel powerful. They like to think they’re one of the Strong Ones (because somehow they’re magically exempt from time, accidents, disease, and depression) and therefore, as one of the self-appointed Elect, they should have the authority to dictate who should be part of the human race and who should be eliminated. It makes me think of Gandalf’s admonishment to Frodo – “Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death…”
Ironically, people with this mindset are the weakest of all. Their souls are hollowed out by emptiness, anger, fear, and lack of empathy. They crumple to pieces at the very notion that different people exist. Instead of facing their own fears and inadequacies, they go the coward’s route and hide behind horrible, bullying “edgy” memes telling everyone else to go die. These are not people with a healthy outlook on mortality. They’re privileged hothouse flowers that would wither up if they ever faced real adversity.
Nope, they’re not the strong ones. You know who’s strong? Survivors. Anyone who’s been through hell and lived to tell the tale deserves respect. Anyone brave enough to fight unendurable pain deserves compassion, even if they lose that fight. Anyone who’s faced death, thought about it, wrestled with it, is much farther down the path of wisdom than these juvenile idiots.
Virtual hugs to everyone who’s been affected by this. Our society has a long way to go in its attitudes towards depression and suicide.
@Falconer – Seconded. It’s not even the level of detail so much as the relish with which it was delivered.
Words of truth, Buttercup. I will never understand why some people think that being cruel to ‘those others’ is somehow praiseworthy. As much as I don’t think such bullies deserve to die, no way, they do deserve to have their platform taken away. Free speech has never applied to abusive behaviour, no matter how much these chucklefucks pretend it does.
Christwriter:
Thank you for your post. I am in deep depression and just waiting for meds to kick in which takes weeks. Thank you for reminding me this will end. God, this sucks.