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"The right to kill, maim, and berate husbands," and other Straw Feminist demands | Memesplaining

Well, someone has a vivid imagination, huh?
Well, someone has a vivid imagination, huh?

I‘ve said it before, but the imaginary feminists that Men’s Rights Activists spend their lives fighting bear about as much resemblance to real feminists as the imaginary Elders of Zion do to actual Jewish people.

But even by typical MRA standards, the meme above (from A Voice for Men’s Facebook page) is a doozy. It’s hard to say which of these imaginary feminists demands is the most ridiculous. That idea that feminists demand “the entitlement to rape men and young boys” or “the right to take money from men under any pretense?” Or that they want “20 men in prison for each woman who commits a crime?”

As ludicrous as these are, I think the most insidious of the bunch is the complaint that feminists want women to have “the right to intoxication with no consequences.”

No, feminists aren’t campaigning for women to be able to drive drunk with no legal repercussions. The “consequences” being referred to here are, of course, rape and other forms of sexual assault. Yep, AVFM is angry that feminists don’t think that women should face the “consequence” of rape if they go out to a bar on Saturday night. AVFM is angry that feminists want the actual rapists to face the consequences of their actions.

The March of the Straw Feminists continues with more AVFM memes from their Facebook page, below.

(Straw) Feminists want to take away funding for prostate cancer:

 

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(Straw) Feminists like to make shit up, as this made-up example illustrates:

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(Straw) Feminists demand that fire departments hire women wearing “sexy firefighter” Halloween costumes.

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I … don’t even know what the hell the point of this next one is supposed to be. That it’s wrong to talk about the dangers of rape? That women can’t have successful careers and happy lives unless they have children? That … I give up.

 

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At least this one is clear: DANGER! DANGER! (STRAW) FEMINISTS WANT TO CUT OFF YOUR FINGERS!!!!

 

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You’d think the guy would have noticed. I mean, those finger-clipping shears are fucking gigantic.

For more, many more, straw feminists, check out the rest of the memes on AVFM’s Facebook page.

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Tabby Lavalamp
5 years ago

“For more, many more, straw feminists, check out the rest of the memes on AVFM’s Facebook page.”

Ugh. No thank you…

Tabby Lavalamp
5 years ago

But then I checked anyway.

Ugh…

magnesium
5 years ago

What’s the story behind the last image? I mean, the context of the actual stock photo? There’s a woman in a fancy dress who’s all disheveled and sweaty, and a man sitting at the front of a chemistry classroom and she’s chopping his finger off for some reason and he’s all “Okay, just get it over with.” What?

Paticzak
Paticzak
5 years ago

“20 men in prison for each woman who commits a crime”

Is that random men or men chosen by the woman? Need answer fast.

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

“Intoxication with no consequences” doesn’t sound so bad. Hangovers are a bastard.

Dreadnought
Dreadnought
5 years ago

Oh I see what the problem is, nobody has ever bothered to tell the MRAs that the rally chanting “What do we want? Infanticide!” is not the feminist protest. Somebody should let them know so they don’t look end up looking like a bunch of twits.

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

“Kill, maim and berate husbands”?

One of these things is not like the other, one of these things just doesn’t belong. Can you tell me which one is not like the other by the time I finish this song?

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

Others. D’oh!

freemage
5 years ago

So, for the curious and fact-minded, here’s the deal on the ‘Feminists (by which we mean Obama’s budget proposal) eliminated Prostate Cancer Funding’ poster:

I dug into the stories and found the evidentiary link, which goes to the CDC’s budget, here.

The pertinent quotes from that link:

Cancer
Screenings

(-$41.6 million)
The FY 2016 budget request reduces funding for Breast and Cervical Cancer activities by $37.8 million and the Colorectal Cancer screening activities by $3.8 million.
As the Affordable Care Act (ACA) increases access to cancer screening services, which b
egan in 2014, the public health need to provide these clinical services will diminish. The ACA will increase access to cancer screening services for many low-income, underserved women through expanded insurance coverage, similar to the populations covered by CDC’s National Breast Cancer and National Cervical Cancer Early Detection Programs.

Prostate Cancer (-$13.2 million)
The FY 2016 budget request eliminates funding for prostate cancer activities. While the evidence on prostate cancer screening remains unclear, CDC has conducted extensive research on and developed materials to help doctors and other health providers
better communicate with their patients about informed decision making related to prostate cancer screening and treatment. The proposed elimination will not impact CDC’s ability to collect data on national prostate cancer incidence through the National Program of Cancer Registries, nor hinder the ability to share resources and lessons learned.

So, there’s a kernel of truth, here. The CDC budget for both breast and prostate cancer screening programs has been slashed to nothing; however, while the ACA is picking up the tab for breast screening, it does not seem to be doing the same blanket approach to prostate cancer screening. This doesn’t mean it’s not covered under the ACA, but it probably requires a more conservative approach–your doctor decides if your situation and risk factors justify the screening.

Here’s the thing, though–false positives are a major issue in prostate cancer screenings. A not inconsiderable number of men go through a lot of grief because of overuse of screenings on low-risk sub-populations.

So a more conservative approach seems to be supported by the data we have at present. The CDC is also going to continue collecting data, which might indicate a change in policy is justified under the ACA in the future, but we’re not there, yet.

LBT (with open writeathon!)

You know what’s interesting? I mentioned in the other thread that I’m reading a book for men recovering from incest and child sexual abuse. As far as I know, it’s one of the only big useful books on the subject out there by male survivors for male survivors.

And you know what? Very early in the book, it talks about the debt they owe to the feminist movement, and how overcoming negative stereotypes about gender, sexuality, and sexism is vital to the men’s survivor movement.

And unlike these chucklefucks, the guy who wrote Victims No More actually DOES SHIT. You know, throws therapy groups, and workshops, and lectures all over the world, so he can help men.

Dreadnought
Dreadnought
5 years ago

@Bina

It’s ‘kill’ because when you berate someone you’re actually maiming their self-esteem 🙂

Nequam
Nequam
5 years ago

“20 men in prison for each woman who commits a crime”

You wanna bet this is the only time the MRAs feel anything like pity for nonwhite people?

andiexist
andiexist
5 years ago

Oh, wow. That finger-breaking… squick.

And I see they’ve gone back to the bloody logo, too.

Also, WHO LIVING IN THIS UNIVERSE WOULD THINK THAT RAPE IS AN ACCEPTABLE “CONSEQUENCE” FOR BEING DRUNK?!?!?

Sorry about that. Going back to email-lurking now.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

Geez. You glance away from your chemistry notes for one second, because it’s hard to concentrate when you’re sitting on a hard chair. Next thing you know, you wake up in a bathtub full of ice, symbolically missing a foreskin (even though it’s really the tip of your pinky because this is a G-rated chemistry class) and there’s a note from someone named “Katie” instructing you to go die in a war.

A guy just can’t win.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

It kind of sounds like MRAs wouldn’t mind having to sign up for the selective service if women didn’t have the right to vote. I really get the impression that they’re mad we can vote and use the specter of the draft as a thin disguise.

alaisvex
alaisvex
5 years ago

They listed “entitlement to rape men and young boys” and “unlimited sex with male students with impunity”? Really? They wanna go there? They want to talk about women violating the age of consent laws and supposedly getting away with it all the time when they’re the ones who think that of consent laws are oppressive to men who want to have sex with teenaged girls? When they have JudgyBitch arguing to lower the age of consent to thirteen in order to “protect” rich men from “predatory” thirteen-year-old “whores”? When they have Tom Martin arguing that ten-year-old girls forced to engage in prostitution are both consenting and predatory? When W.F. Price argues that feminists are oppressing teenaged boys by arresting adult female teachers who have sex with them? (And yes, I know that Price is not a contributor to AVfM and that he and Elam oppose each other routinely, but his view reflects that of many men who comment on articles about the latest female teacher arrested for having sex with a teenaged male student of hers to talk about how hot she was and how they wish that she’d taught at their school.) Do they not think that lowering the age of consent laws and allowing grown men to have sex with young teenaged girls will somehow protect teenaged boys from predatory adult women? Do they not recognize that lowering the age of consent will hurt these boys? Honestly, I can’t even fucking believe that they have the temerity to whine about feminists, who want the age of consent laws to stay in place and who argue against the men claiming that those teenaged boys actually had a great sexual experience with that “hot” adult woman, allegedly wanting the right to rape boys and have sex with impunity with their male students when they are, unlike feminists, are advocating laws that would also allow women to commit statutory rape with impunity.

And then they want to talk about how feminists feel entitled to rape men. Do feminists routinely jump all over men who accuse women of rape and then claim that those men are lying? Do feminists frequently go on and on and on about how drunk sex can never be rape? In short, do feminists ever engage in the behavior that MRAs engage in whenever they talk about individual female victims of rape and about rape statistics in general? And do the MRAs honestly not realize that the narrow definition that they’ve developed for what constitutes rape (at least when a woman is the victim) will make it virtually impossible for men who’ve been raped by women to see justice?

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

It’s ‘kill’ because when you berate someone you’re actually maiming their self-esteem

Somewhere, Margaret Atwood is nodding sagely at seeing her axiom confirmed yet again.

Bewildered Ape
5 years ago

I followed the link and only found stupidity and implicit sexism.

Dreadnought
Dreadnought
5 years ago

@Buttercup Q. Skullpants

“…symbolically missing a foreskin… A guy just can’t win.”

Us men have several foreskins so we can stand to lose a few. Just last week I lost one of mine during a skydiving incident when my foreskin got caught on the static line.

It’s not all woe and sorrow being a man.

fromafar2013
5 years ago

@ alaisvex

It’s always projection! “We want to do these horrible things to women, so feminists MUST want to do them to men! LOGIC!”

Dreadnought
Dreadnought
5 years ago

@Bina

I’m not at all familiar with Margaret Atwoods literary works — although I do know she won the Nobel Peace Prize in literature, and being a Canadian that makes me quite proud — so I’m not sure how to take that.

freemage
5 years ago

Dreadnought: Atwood’s the one who coined, “Men are afraid women will laugh at them; women are afraid men will kill them.” MRAs are the most perfect example of the first half, as well as being apologists for the conditions that create the second.

suffrajitsu
suffrajitsu
5 years ago

I mean, I guess it’s true that feminists want women to have the right to “berate” husbands. Just like how husbands have the “right” to ‘berate” wives. Obviously it’d be preferable that neither spouses berated each other, but seeing as “berate” literally just means “to scold angrily,” it’d be a pretty oppressive marital system if women were legally not allowed to raise their voices at their menfolk. But feminists don’t really talk about it cuz, well, people outside the MRA bubble don’t think very much about “berating” really.

It is true that our criminal justice system occasionally gives men harsher punishments than women, but 1) that’s not because of feminism, and 2) if MRAs want to talk about gender inequities in criminal justice, they’d have to be willing to talk about gender inequities in crime as well. It’s like how they often counter disproportionate rape and intimate partner violence statistics by going, “Oh, yeah? Well men are more likely to be the victims of violence if you include ALL violence, like murder and assaults!” That’s true, but the vast majority of murderers are also men, and the considerable majority of murders in the U.S. are drug and gang related. No, that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t care about preventing those types of violence, but it’s disingenuous to simultaneously claim men are being victimized for being men and lionize a type of masculinity that glorifies violence as a sign of power.

[Note: I don’t mean this like when some whites deny institutionalized racism by crying “But what about black-on-black violence!” as there are lot of differences between the two–for one, (white) men aren’t automatically treated by cops like criminals just because they’re men, and also, despite Fox News’ claims to the contrary, black activists do in fact work to curb violence in their own communities, which is something the MRAs will never do.]

potterchik
potterchik
5 years ago

Rats. I was hoping “no consequences for intoxication” meant “no more hangovers!” and I was all, SIGN ME UP.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
5 years ago

150 years fighting for … women staying home while sending men off to war

If that’s true, then feminists have been slowly losing that battle in direct proportion to them gaining political power and credibility. The march of progress has been to include women in the military, with the first law allowing women to be a permanent part of the military in the US passed in 1948, and women being allowed in units tasked with direct combat in 2013 (!!!). All we need to do now is either eliminate selective service or force women to sign up as well and feminism will have truly lost!

The right to equal pay while 98% of job deaths are men.

92% as of 2013, but whatevs. The big picture pay gap, where the amount all women are bringing home is less than the amount that all men are bringing home, doesn’t just include dangerous professions. In fact, I don’t believe many dangerous professions pay that well at all, comparatively. Many workplace-deaths are related to vehicle accidents, falls, or being crushed by things; construction, truck-driving, and farming aren’t exactly the most lucrative of fields.

Out of The Top 20 jobs with the biggest gender pay gaps, only one (police work) can really be considered dangerous. So if you’re talking about the small-picture pay gap, comparing only men and women working in a particular profession, the biggest gaps occur in non-dangerous fields. Are these guys going to argue that the fact that more men work in one dangerous profession should influence how much women are paid in another profession?

Anyways, barring that whole conversation, there are plenty of organizations dedicated to reducing workplace fatalities (OSHA, anyone?). Feminism isn’t required to also address it.

The right to vote while men have to register for the draft

The right to vote is not predicated on ability to serve. Sure, the government won’t let you register as a voter while male unless you attempt to sign up for selective service, but there are a myriad of ways to not be eligible for that selective service and therefore not have to sign up, all based around reasons why a person may not be fit for duty.

Up until recently, being openly gay was one of those reasons. Up until 2013, being a woman was one of those reasons. Feminists would argue that that is bullshit. MRAs, who complain so much about only men being forced to go off and die for their country, would think that is a no-brainer.

It’s only recently that people are finally getting around to the idea that women can be soldiers. The law doesn’t move that quickly; I wouldn’t be surprised if women will end up having to sign up for selective service too in the future, if selective service is even still a thing.

Cy6485
Cy6485
5 years ago

Okay, okay, Iv’e been lurking here for a few months now, but this one finally got to me. The other articles on the first meme, I’m used to the twisted logic behind them by now. However, will someone please, please explain to me number 7 and 8 on the list:
“The right to mutilate men’s genitals”
“The right to mutilate baby boy’s genitals”

. . . Wut?

alaisvex
alaisvex
5 years ago

I still can’t get over the level of projection contained in their claims that feminists feel entitled to rape men and boys. Seriously. So much MRA rhetoric is devoted to bashing age-of-consent laws, at least when those laws get men in trouble, and accusing women of lying about being raped because what they’re describing allegedly doesn’t count as rape. Seriously, where is the wing of the feminist movement that’s devoted to challenging men who speak up about being raped by women or who try to bring rape charges against a woman or to challenging the age-of-consent laws?

Dreadnought
Dreadnought
5 years ago

@freemage

Thank you very much for enlightening me. You are absolutely correct on how MRAs function, couldn’t have said it better myself.

yutolia
yutolia
5 years ago

@alaisvex: I think that they are so wrapped up in their own worldview that they cannot imagine anyone else would have things any different.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
5 years ago

More on dangerous jobs…

I’m 25 in a pretty-much entry-level position of a desk job that’s less dangerous than taking a bath. Apart from one example in this list of the most dangerous jobs, I make a higher salary than the median.

A) we don’t compensate workers in dangerous fields as much as we think we do. B) It’s very doubtful that dangerous professions alone cause the gender pay gap, especially when you look at how many positions in each field their are (comparing the “per 100,000” number with total number of fatalities), and when you look up what the most common professions in the US are (only maybe a few that could include dangerous work in the top 10).

Yeah, this talking point is about seven kinds of bullshit.

Iogrey
Iogrey
5 years ago

I have three boys and did not want to circumcise any of them. It was the men in my family and their fathers who insisted. And the one time the conversation came up my sons all emphatically agreed that they were glad to be circumcised. At least where I live, it is very common. Personally, I kinda like men uncircumcised, and I certainly didn’t want to change my perfect babies in any way. Since when is male circumcision something that feminists want?
Those memes are literally ridiculous! Why would we want our husbands, sons, and brothers to have prostate cancer??!

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
5 years ago

I feel like half that list consists of taking a notable court case of a woman doing something illegal and getting punished for it, and pretending that feminists want to make that happen all the time with no punishment because… I dunno, it was a woman and feminists are exactly slightly more evil than you think they are.

Spindrift
Spindrift
5 years ago

My feminist friend Katie has shears like that, hers are purple. She collects toes though, and wears a darker dress so the fresh blood stains don’t show. She totally gets that meme with the firefighter posing, Katie works part time as a doctor and does a lot of sexy posing in the emergency room and many people rudely stare at her too. She doesn’t have a lot of return patients, so she must be doing something right.

Seriously though, I’m actually surprised that only 1 of these memes is using a sexualised image of a woman. Probably there’s more on the facebook page.

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

Well, I have imagined using metal snips like those to castrate trucks. Every time I see a set of truck nuts I imagine starting a collection. I refrain because it’s vandalism and theft but also because any guy who puts testicles on his truck probably needs them alot more than I do.

Other than that, those are all just make believe dangers MRAs pretend feminists represent. Awfully frightened of us, aren’t they? I bet they check under their beds every night just to make sure one of us isn’t under there reading bell hooks and listening to Beyonce’.

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

Personally, I don’t care if a guy is circumcised or not, as long as he’s (a) healthy, (b) clean, and (c) not using his dick in lieu of a brain.

I also don’t care for sending them off to war, as I’m a staunch pacifist. In any event, I don’t get to make the decision to send men off to war. Generals and heads of state do that. I’m neither, and neither are most women. And the few women who HAVE sent men off to war, be it noted, were NOT feminists.

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

the considerable majority of murders in the U.S. are drug and gang related.

And yet not a peep from AVfM about ending the “War on Drugs” which would also reduce the number of men in prison for nonviolent crimes.

Dreadnought
Dreadnought
5 years ago

@Lea

Your comment just gave me a strange thought. Wouldn’t it be weird if instead of putting testicles onto their vehicles, men starting sewing truck nuts directly onto their trousers and began walking around with plastic testicles hanging from their groin. MRAs can start doing this so they can identify each other in public, it’ll be the MRA version of gang signs.

sunnysombrera
5 years ago

If MRAs are for “equal rights” why do they only want women to experience “consequences” for drinking but not men? If women shouldn’t drink in order to ‘not get raped’ then according to lojick men also shouldn’t drink in order to not get into bar brawls, do something that will get them arrested, or engage in sex that may well be rape.

EQUALITY. CHECKMATE MRAS.

sunnysombrera
5 years ago

@Dreadnought
@Lea

My impression of rubber bollocks on a truck is that the driver is trying to proclaim “THIS VEHICLE IS MY PENIS EXTENSION.”

Magpie
5 years ago

1902, Judge Tuthill of the Chicago Circuit Court “…a wife is justified in killing a husband who attempts to beat her…”
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/87825173
http://littlebuggerrabbit.tumblr.com/post/113201034254/when-a-wife-may-kill-her-husband

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

And yet not a peep from AVfM about ending the “War on Drugs” which would also reduce the number of men in prison for nonviolent crimes.

Probably that’s because Paulie used to be a drug counselor, and he probably figures that if this AVFM scam doesn’t work out anymore, it’s best to have something to fall back on.

(Can you just imagine what a nightmare it would be to have HIM as one’s court-ordered counselor? Yikes!)

Dreadnought
Dreadnought
5 years ago

@sunnysombrera

I’m just dying for the day when science invents the telescopic penis so us men can finally stop with this nonsense.

Tessa
5 years ago

They complain about men being the ones being sent to war, but kick and scream (and laugh) at the thought of women fighting in the military.

They complain about men having the dangerous job but complain when women try for these jobs. There’s even a meme mocking women firefighters.

What the hell? It’s like their biggest crosses to bear are also their favorite badges of manlyness.

Skye
Skye
5 years ago

This is old, but speaking of an actual gendered response to violence by the legal system as opposed to those foolish memes, there’s this: http://lawreview.law.miami.edu/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Real-Men-Advance-Real-Women-Retreat.pdf

Yes, Alexander is out now, but she had to plead guilty to three of aggravated assault in order to not face 60 years. 🙁

Flying Mouse
Flying Mouse
5 years ago

The right to stay home while sending men off to war.

I once had the entire XVIII Airborne Corps deploy because I wanted the TV to myself over the weekend. A Top Chef marathon was on, and sending my husband to war seemed like the best way to make sure that I got to see the whole thing. I ate bonbons, demanded that the pizza delivery guy give *me* money (hey, he was a man!), and drank consequence free bourbon all weekend. When he finally got home, I had to give him a good berating because he forgot to pick up a gallon of milk along the way. Good times.

k_machine
k_machine
5 years ago

So much of prejudice consists of forcing minorities into a box, and then saying: “look at those weirdos sitting in that box”.

Spindrift
Spindrift
5 years ago

@Tessa “They complain about men being the ones being sent to war, but kick and scream (and laugh) at the thought of women fighting in the military.”

It’s women making their way into a traditionally male space, that’s prime freakout fuel for them.

Also, isn’t rape a big problem in the military? I figure some of them think women just want to join the armed forces to accuse innocent men of rape. I can imagine it could be similar to the “don’t drink and you won’t get raped” arguments, “don’t join the military and you won’t get raped”.

Skye
Skye
5 years ago
misseb47
misseb47
5 years ago

For more, many more, straw feminists, check out the rest of the memes on AVFM’s Facebook page.”

Ugh. No thank you…

Seconded!

“But then I checked anyway.

Ugh…”

Thanks for the critical appraisal, Tabby Lavalamp. Based on what I have seen so far, I think “Ugh….” sums it up perfectly! I am considering myself warned. I am definitely NOT going to check their facebook page!

misseb47
misseb47
5 years ago

“Oh I see what the problem is, nobody has ever bothered to tell the MRAs that the rally chanting “What do we want? Infanticide!” is not the feminist protest. Somebody should let them know so they don’t look end up looking like a bunch of twits.”

I think is it far too late for that! They already do!

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