I‘ve said it before, but the imaginary feminists that Men’s Rights Activists spend their lives fighting bear about as much resemblance to real feminists as the imaginary Elders of Zion do to actual Jewish people.
But even by typical MRA standards, the meme above (from A Voice for Men’s Facebook page) is a doozy. It’s hard to say which of these imaginary feminists demands is the most ridiculous. That idea that feminists demand “the entitlement to rape men and young boys” or “the right to take money from men under any pretense?” Or that they want “20 men in prison for each woman who commits a crime?”
As ludicrous as these are, I think the most insidious of the bunch is the complaint that feminists want women to have “the right to intoxication with no consequences.”
No, feminists aren’t campaigning for women to be able to drive drunk with no legal repercussions. The “consequences” being referred to here are, of course, rape and other forms of sexual assault. Yep, AVFM is angry that feminists don’t think that women should face the “consequence” of rape if they go out to a bar on Saturday night. AVFM is angry that feminists want the actual rapists to face the consequences of their actions.
The March of the Straw Feminists continues with more AVFM memes from their Facebook page, below.
(Straw) Feminists want to take away funding for prostate cancer:
(Straw) Feminists like to make shit up, as this made-up example illustrates:
(Straw) Feminists demand that fire departments hire women wearing “sexy firefighter” Halloween costumes.
I … don’t even know what the hell the point of this next one is supposed to be. That it’s wrong to talk about the dangers of rape? That women can’t have successful careers and happy lives unless they have children? That … I give up.
At least this one is clear: DANGER! DANGER! (STRAW) FEMINISTS WANT TO CUT OFF YOUR FINGERS!!!!
You’d think the guy would have noticed. I mean, those finger-clipping shears are fucking gigantic.
For more, many more, straw feminists, check out the rest of the memes on AVFM’s Facebook page.
Hate is a hell of a drug.
@sunnysombrera “When it comes to radical groups, to create a stronger bond within its members an enemy must be invented.”
Even non-radical groups do something similar, I think it’s called infrahumanisation, a process whereby the ingroup is considered to be superior/more human than members of an outgroup, to possess more positive human qualities like courage/empathy/intelligence/etc.
More extreme groups presumably have to hold stronger negative views of their enemy to justify their own conspiracy theories, theories they use as an excuse to hate the outgroup. Kind of forming a feedback loop, they create their illogical conspiracy theories because they hate, and use those theories to justify their hatred.
@Spindrift
I guess you could say we do the same thing but…god damn it out of everyone in the world MRAs genuinely deserve all the shit talk about them.
@sunnysombrera
Oddly, MRAs also seem to dehumanise themselves a lot, like when claiming men can’t/shouldn’t be made to control their sexual urges. Makes them sound like animals. But they spin it to be about evil wimminz not giving them the sex that they “earned” simply by having a penis. They don’t need to consider what their lack of self control says about themselves if they can make it the outgroup’s fault.
Spindrift: You are correct; anti-feminists make some of the most hateful statements about men that I’ve ever heard.
@ sunnysombrera
It’s not me you’re remembering but I often say that ignorant people of all stripes use words as if they’re magical incantations. They say some shit and when the implications are pointed out to them, they deny that they meant any of it that way. At which point you’re clearly expected to simply go “oh, alright then” and drop the subject.
Okay, so here’s what I got from this alphabet soup:
Correct use of the English language is also misandry! Proper spelling, punctuation and use of apostrophes is male language mutilation! Reading comprehension is castration!
Honestly, would it kill these guys to actually read a book and comprehend it? Would it totally destroy them to sit down and learn proper language usage? Would it utterly devastate them to understand that words mean things, and not the things they WANT them to mean? Apparently, it would. Because everyone knows little boys can’t sit down and shush and learn something in class, and they all have to be drugged into submission. Which, as we all know, is chemical castration! Public schoolin’ is MISANDRY!!!
Ahem.
Also, I’m getting together a goth-cowpunk band. Our first hit will be “Your Evil Black Corrupted Cunty Heart”.
Bina: I’d buy that album. Just sayin’.
I apologise for the lack of link to the Facebook conversation, but soon after I’d first mentioned it here he suddenly stopped talking and deleted all of his posts before I could screen cap. Which did take me by surprise but maybe he thought that he’d better destroy the evidence, as since I’m affiliated with WWTH I might inform you guys about him and we would mock him unabashedly. Which is exactly what we’re doing anyway.
Plus I don’t want any lurking MRAs to see my Facebook profile.
@Bina
I’d totally buy that album too and I don’t even like goth-cowpunk music.
I think I might turn that insult into a personal bumper sticker. It rolls off the tongue so well.
@Daisyrawks:
To quote the fly episode in Breaking Bad: “I truly believe there exists some combination of words — there must exist certain words in a certain specific order that would explain all of this, but with [feminists], I just can’t ever seem to find them.”
Only there seems to be this assumption that, as you say, you should just assume they said those words in a certain specific order and accept it, end of argument. They shouldn’t have to actually think of those words and put them together for themselves.
Can someone clue me in to these “handsome rewards” women receive for making up rape stories? So far as I’ve seen, whether her story is legit or not, victims are eaten alive by the entire world.
Are you sure it was unintended? It’s in iambic pentameter, after all.
What I want to know is: where were all these sex-mad girls who wanted unlimited hookups with male students when I was in university? And why do the MRAs want sex with men punished – isn’t that a bit self-defeating, especially when they’re all for getting the age of consent down to 13 or so?
I’m not sure either of these have an answer.
As somebody who likes doodling (admittedly not very good) surrealism, especially of the body horror type, I’m kind of tempted to take on the idea of a “Cunty heart.”
Can anyone make any sense out of this? This is from a dude who calls himself John-Galt on Facebook, from the same comment thread I shared with the Cunty Heart troll.
The first two sentences are especially baffling since all I did in my previous comments was ask the other dude to prove his claims. Also they’re just terrible English so I’ve no idea what he’s trying to say here.
(The UN thing is in reference to what the other guy did, which was when I asked him to prove ‘all feminists support MGM’ he linked me to a report that says the UN is approving of more circumcision in Africa to try and bring down the rates of HIV in men over there).
TIL that war was invented by feminists 150 years ago. Before that, all of humanity sat around, hand in hand, and never fought or got in an argument. 150 years ago, feminists decided that chill men were “fags”, invented violence, convinced Christianity (which is totally femaled controlled) to rewrite the bible, and convinced female chimps to force their males to go to war against each other.
The scope of power of feminism is truly terrifying. Five years after feminism unvented war for men and male chimps only, it convinced male fruit flies to die younger than female fruit flies with arguments of chivilary and white knights. Is nothing mle sacred to you, feminism?
*nothing male sacred
Wasn’t “My Cunty Heart” a county song? Or maybe a cuntry song….. XD
Country: “My Cunty Heart”
Goth/Punk: “Your Evil Black Corrupted Cunty Heart.”
Jazz Ballad: “She’s Got a Cunty Heart (And She Broke Mine)”
Pop: “Cunty Heart Party”
House: “Cunty Heart Forever [DJ Feminist Remix]”
Classical: “Cunty Heart Sonata in C”
Any other ideas?
Paradoxical Intention:
There’s a theory that ergot poisoning was a factor in the so-called “werewolf hysteria” in France.
sunnysombrero:
John-Galt is basically saying, “Words mean whatever I want them to mean and I can’t come up with any actual facts or logic to support my claims. A lot of reality and facts directly contradict my worldview, so I’m going to claim that there’s a vast conspiracy in which feminists secretly control everything from the POTUS to the CDC to the UN. Nevermind how unrealistic that sounds, my worldview can’t possibly be wrong, so that must be the explanation!”
Not quite sure how I managed to blockquote a link…
@davidknewton
I know this is a facetious question, but imma answer anyway. We were there*; there weren’t a lot of us (that I know of) and we weren’t necessarily HB10s, but because of the ‘punishing sex with men’ thing you mention (slut shaming has always been a thing) we had to operate on the down-low. It was so frustrating to me to know that I would suffer socially if I wanted to openly give these guys what THEY constantly said they wanted!
So I became a super-sleuth with the super power that enabled me to find guys to have sex with who would keep it to themselves and who wanted to have fun sexy times with me as opposed to getting them from me. I was pretty damn good at it, too and I feel very fortunate because I’m sure not all the ‘sex-mad girls who wanted unlimited hookups’ were as lucky. I can’t state this as fact, because I never met anyone like myself in all those years, on the other hand, I sincerely doubt I was some sort of unicorn!
*”there” for me was the USAF, but I’m sure it applies to university as well as other places where young people find themselves in large groups.
I’m very glad that you could make it a positive experience for yourself 🙂 It’s… revolting and very self-defeating that we as males have somehow grown a culture that craves sex with women and then punishes them for their own sexuality.
I went to university in Britain, though, where we had hot-water bottles instead of sex.
sunnysombrera | March 10, 2015 at 9:06 am
That might have been me. I do remember making a parody of The Raven about context.
sparky | March 10, 2015 at 1:10 pm
Huh. Well then.
History is fun, kids! You’ll learn all about how mold caused an entire town to turn on itself and have people murder people, and how it caused people to believe in werewolves!
Or maybe it was Midnight Oil.
I’ll have to ask Mr. Tantrum if he feels his genitals were mutilated. I checked this morning and his equipment seemed to be working fine? I understand there’s some loss of sensation at the tip, and there is a real debate to be had about whether that’s a worthy price to pay in countries with low HIV risk. I also think it’s both medically unnecessary and ethically troubling to routinely circumcise baby boys, and if it were up to me I would raise the age, ideally to adulthood, for even religious circumcision. Of course that’s just me and I’m not saying the Joos are mutilating boys or whatever the hell these incoherent rants are meant to get across. (I agree with M. that there’s a strong current of anti-Semitism in there.)
Here’s an article I read about circumcision. http://mosaicscience.com/story/troubled-history-foreskin Two fun facts that I took away from it:
1. Evidently a major predictor for a given scientific paper’s stance on circumcision is whether the scientist himself is circumcised. (Great argument for women doing this research, yes?)
2. When a circumcision program was started in Tanzania, “Men feared circumcision would leave them impotent, or automatically convert them to Islam.”
See, we could be having such constructive and interesting debates about issues that affect men. It’s just another way MRAs are doing men a disservice, by whipping up men into a fervor against women instead of aiming to make life better for men.
Yet according to White Men Can’t Jump men just want to solve things, not talk about them. Definitely not MRAs – they want to talk, not solve.
my worldview can’t possibly be wrong, so that must be the explanation!”
I see that often from conspiracy theorists. “The lack of evidence is the evidence!”
@PussyPowerTantrum
I completely agree that we could have a very constructive conversation with them about circumcision-if they were actually serious about it, that is.
I have 2 sons who are not circumcised specifically because I absolutely forbid it when the conversation came up while I was pregnant (my partner wanted to have the first boy circumcised). Bodily autonomy is incredibly important to me and that includes everyone. If my sons ever dicided they wanted it done, I would support their decision.
Every feminist I know who has a son did not get their son circumcised either. In my younger years, I worked with a group of midwives (many of whom were feminists), and they counseled their clients not to circumcise their baby boys either.
As per usual, their beef is really not with feminists but with the society at large. Then again, sadly they really do not care about men and boys as a group and that becomes glaringly obvious every time they open their mouth.
I couldn’t agree more, Myriad. It should be discussed on a very constructive level, but it’s so hard to engage someone who not only has deluded themselves into thinking that you’re evil, wrong, want to “kill, maim, and berate”, and you don’t want anything good for them.
And it’s hard to discuss something with someone convinced that they have all the answers as well.
@Paradoxical Intention
Yep, I don’t foresee having any discussion with them for the reasons you cite. I get the feeling they really don’t want to do anything about it. They just want to bludgeon feminists with the topic. Because doing anything else, would mean they would actually have to expend effort and make convincing real world arguments. And we know that ain’t happening anytime soon.