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Alex Jones heads further into MRAland with a video on "the antihuman transhumanist super-Nazis who are the feminazis.”

Is the bellicose conspiracy doofus Alex Jones moving further into Men’s Rights territory?

In this video, posted on his Infowars site today, Jones introduces a special report on what he calls the “bizarre excesses of the anti-human transhumanist super-Nazis who are the feminazis.”

In the report itself, Infowars’ Paul Watson – like Jones, a bit of a yeller — describes an evil plot spearheaded by Facebook Chief Operating Officer Sheryl Sandberg and the National Basketball Association to – brace yourself – encourage men to do more housework and child care. This includes, Watson reports ominously, scrubbing the dishes and even doing laundry.

Is nothing sacred to these depraved superfeminazis? Don’t men already have enough chores to do? Indeed, as Watson notes, there are reports of men taking out the trash, shoveling snow and even mowing the lawns.

Never mind that surveys suggest that women do anywhere from twice to three times the amount of housework as men. Never mind that this includes working women, and even working mothers. Indeed, as Bryce Covert noted in a Nation piece last year, “even mothers who work full-time will still put in a week and a half’s worth more time on household tasks than their male partners each year.”

I’m sure Watson and Jones would dismiss all this evidence as femisupernazi propaganda. Indeed, Watson starts in on a very Men’s Rightsy rant about how men work more hours than women and do more dangerous jobs and so on and so on.

Never mind that even men who don’t work do less housework than women and that overall, if you add up paid work and housework, men work three hours less a week than women do.

Watson even throws suicide rates into the equation, as if the fact that men are more likely to succeed at suicide than women has anything to do with who is washing the dishes and changing the diapers.

“Isn’t it ironic,” Watson bellows,

that Sandberg, architect of the ‘ban bossy’ campaign is now bossing men on how to behave in the privacy of their own homes?

Uh, dude, the whole point of the “ban bossy” campaign was to point out that women invariably get called “bossy” for acting the same way as men who are invariably not described as bossy.

The fact that you’re calling her “bossy” for urging men to do more housework kind of proves her whole point.

After noting that Sandberg’s new campaign has a number of – gasp! – corporate sponsors, Watson declares that it

has nothing to do with advancing equality and everything to do with creating more division between the sexes through social engineering and the promotion of 

– wait for it –

misandry!

Even the evil Hillary Clinton has signed on to the campaign.

Watson rails on about sky-high divorce rates – even thought the rate has been dropping for decades. But never mind:

Feminism has clearly been a disaster for relationships between men and women. Feminism is a cancer to marriage in America. This campaign is only going to lead to more pressure on men, more resentment, more arguments and the breakdown of more relationships.

So, in conclusion, I guess, women should never suggest that men do anything differently?

Apparently. Watson, after lecturing us all about the evils of feminism, demands that Sandberg et al,

stop lecturing people on how to behave in the privacy of their own [explosion sound effect] home.

Shouting now, he orders the nazisuperfemis

Stop being bossy by dictating how gender roles in household tasks should be decided upon by couples.

Dude, you’re sounding a little, dare I say it, bossy.

Stop implying that men are deficient or losers because they’re not doing enough laundry or not cleaning up enough dirty dishes …

And so on. His voice dripping with contempt, Watson continues on with his tirade, sounding like nothing so much as an angry Men’s Rights Redditor on a rampage. Jones, muttering incoherently into his microphone, can be heard over Watson’s rant.

Watson throws in a reference to “cutural marxism.” He describes Sandberg et al as “joyless feminist harpies.” Then the segment lurches to a halt and Jones starts up again, declaring the evil plot to get men to wash a few more dishes as “a plan to wreck women” and give more power to the “megabanks raping us.”

It’s a little weird to see dudes who think the world is run by Moloch-worshipping Illuminati parroting so many MRA talking points – or, in this case, yelling points.

It’s also a bit weird to realize that Watson’s “argument” is actually a good bit more coherent, and less obviously misogynistic, than the Youtube rantings of most MRAs. Hell, he didn’t even call Sandberg a bitch or, you know, that word that starts with c.

Jones et al may need to step up their game — and crank up the hatred —  if they really want to make inroads into the Men’s Rights movement.

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ikanreed
ikanreed
6 years ago

@pendraegon

It’s not evil, it’s just chock full of libertarian types who think everything will sort itself out, technologically and socially. This tends to manifest certain behaviors where privilege is cast as technical skill and high IQ and deserving of praise and often overlaps with the elements of neoreaction where they view some people as simply biologically superior to others.

And it just so happens to line up with who has power now! What an amazing coincidence!

I’ve got some small theoretical and scientific objections to transhumanism as an idea divorced from its supporters, but by far the biggest problem is the followers who think that IQ is a simple sort criteria from worse to better people, and that progress is guided by the smartest, rather than something that takes lots of people working together. It’s an easy mental trap for hapless nerds to fall into.

Reg Roper
Reg Roper
6 years ago

I had never heard “transhumanism” before. Along with “super-Nazis” and “anti-human”, I though they were referring to a comic book.

sparky
sparky
6 years ago

Matthew Chiglinsky:

There isn’t one right answer for every couple. It’s not like there’s simply patriarchy or feminism. If a woman has a job, then obviously she has less time to do housework and so it should be more balanced. But if she DOESN’T have a job, then it would make sense for her to fall back into the traditional role of homemaker.

And, of course, homemaking isn’t “real” work so the homemaker doesn’t deserve a break or a day off or anything like that.

Also, on the “bossy” issue, it’s the same thing. Most women are not natural leaders. It’s just biology.

Ah, I see. And where, exactly, on the Y chromosome is “leadership ability” located?

I think the problem with feminism is this assumption that every woman should be reprogrammed to be a feminist, but most women are not and should not be feminists.

Oh yes, “reprogrammed,” because feminism doesn’t have any actual merit on its own, or appeal to people based on the truth or logic of its analyses of gender roles and sexism or anything like that. People have to “reprogrammed” to accept it. How, exactly, is this “reprogramming” carried out? Super-secret feminist reeducation camps in Area 51?

Or, here’s an idea. Feminists should never get married, because we (men) don’t want them.

My husband has a bone to pick with you. I bet a lot of other husbands do, too. Feminists have been threatened with “men won’t want you!” since the dawn of the feminist movement. You’d think you guys would find a new insult.

I believe in both freedom and nature, but feminism seems to only care about the first one.

You don’t appear to understand either one.

pendraegon
pendraegon
6 years ago

@ikanreed As a hapless nerd. 😛 But yeah a lot of the hardcore transumanist types are also embarrassingly fascist types. I was more curious about the whole idea that large banks would support moving towards a singularity type event that Jones seemed to be saying.

I mean I understand them opposing transhumanism on the basis that it largely hinges on developing a post scarcity society. And since they’re all psuedo-libertarians at infowars that means anything not predicated on complete laissez faire capitalism is by definition evil.

But then they claim that this is supported by large banks because… reasons! I know looking for rational reasoning in something Jones puts out is inherently irrational itself but still, that connection there is just weird.

And sidenote did anybody else find that little moan at about three minutes in on the video deeply creepy and uncomfortable?

proxieme
proxieme
6 years ago

@mrex, et al – I agree re: pressures on men and women.

I get some flack for being a stay-at-home Mom with a degree, but given our commutes (45 minutes + each way for me, 1 hour up to heaven knows – going into DC – for him), our work weeks, and three children, it made sense for *one* of us to drop back a bit of we could swing it financially. Our evenings were an unpleasant blur of picking up the kids before daycare and aftercare closed/homework/dinner/bed and our weekends were jammed back with the drudgery of errands that we didn’t have time to get done during the week (and with 3x the crowdsas on a Wednesday).

Given that he made more than me (now substantially more since he’s been able to more thoroughly meet the demands placed on him by workplace culture), it was me.
Given that, I do most of the chores, light home improvement (painting, etc), and the great bulk of the cooking – BUT once home on weeknights he also helps the kids with homework, helps with dinner as he can, does random tidying up/folds laundry, and puts the kids to bed (usually while I do the dishes and pack lunches – I prefer it that way…a little time to decompress).
The bonus is that we’re all a bit less harried (and the kids aren’t basket cases from being in daycare or beforecare/school/aftercare from 630am-630pm) and our weekends are much more our own.

A household – especially one with children – is never ending work.

The awful part of the attitudes of these chuckleheads is that they’d rather stake out their claim on “Muh Time Island” than just help to get things DONE.

magnesium
6 years ago

anti-human transhumanist super-Nazis who are the feminazis

Nice. When all those sex-bots the MRA’s are planning to replace women with achieve true intelligence and rise up against their male oppressors, that’s what they’re going to call themselves. Also, a good band name.

proxieme
proxieme
6 years ago

Or, here’s an idea. Feminists should never get married, because we (men) don’t want them.

My feminist husband – much more so than me, actually, if you’d like to jusdge based on the ability to cite actual scholarly feminist thought while engaging in a rollicking debate regarding its finer points – would beg to disagree as well.

proxieme
proxieme
6 years ago

Per usual, please excuse typos and confusing autocorrects.

Nitram
6 years ago

Proxieme: you just described my situation! But when he was going through a career change, he stayed at home while I worked. So he was responsible for lions share of child care and housework. We both did both when I got home from work and sometimes I would just kick him out of the house so he could have a break because I know how staying home can stress you out and mess with your head. Now he’s working and I’m at home. Since he’s been a stay at home dad, he now “gets it” so that’s nice. So yeah, it’s almost like we both do what has to be done to support ourselves, without the gender assigned roles bullshit.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Feminists don’t want men who dislike feminist women. It’s just the emptiest threat ever.

Also, it’s ridiculous to simultaneously argue that women are not natural leaders and that a woman’s place is running the household and raising the kids. It takes leadership skills to resolve conflict between siblings and determine when kids need discipline and when they need nurturing. In upper class white traditional households from the Downton Abbey era that reactionaries seem to idolize so much, the lady of the house managed several domestic workers and there were often head maids with the most experience who would manage several younger maids under her. And what about the traditionally female job of primary school teaching? Because it doesn’t take leadership to manage a classroom full of wriggly, energetic children who would rather be playing outside than learning their sums?

lith
lith
6 years ago

@Matthew:

Also, on the “bossy” issue, it’s the same thing. Most women are not natural leaders. It’s just biology.

You finally found the elusive proof that it’s biological! Yay! That’s awesome work, you’ve managed to do what many scientists have been researching for centuries without finding anything significant, you should publish!

That’s probably enough sarcasm.

So you’re saying that being bossy and being a leader are different things? Telling people what to do isn’t the same as telling people what to do, that’s an interesting theory, yes.

ceebarks
ceebarks
6 years ago

I don’t know that I think “ignoring the housework” is a good systemwide way to deal with the issue. I’m a pretty indifferent housekeeper myself, and FlyLady is a major figure in my personal pantheon of heroes, a couple cuts above Jesus, because my house got distressingly bad after having my second child, and her system really helped me bring things back up to par.

Problem is, once you drop below a certain minimal standard, poor housekeeping is actually really wasteful– things get lost in the mess, so you have to spend a lot of time either tracking “it” down or wastefully replacing stuff you already have… somewhere in there.

And things get ruined before their useful life should have been over. Cue early replacement and waste… even perfectly decent food goes bad before you got a chance to use it, ’cause your fridge and pantries are a disorganized mess.

Plus, people-in-general seem to avoid spending their leisure time in untidy surroundings. Even people who claim not to care about tidiness still seem to prefer to shop at tidy stores and eat in clean, tastefully arranged restaurants.

If someone’s home is messy/cluttered enough, they may just compensate by spending more time in public establishments where someone else gets paid to deal with the business of organization, arrangement, and grease removal. Which is fine– and in some places I get the impression that it’s a really common and accepted way of life. Maybe bigger swathes of the US are headed that-a-way now, helping to provoke a lot of reactionary angst as the functions of the “traditional” middleclass household are increasingly supplanted by restaurants and childcare centers and schools? IDK.

Maybe in another generation or two we’ll all have calmed way down about it. lol

Anyway, yeah, housekeeping and childcare both require a fuckton of time and effort, so handwaving them off as trivial is… completely crazymaking. ugh

WORK HARDER, LAZY BITCHES.
WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS NOT WORK.
BUT WORK HARDER

ktrantingredhead
6 years ago

Dave, can you please remove the fart gobblin? This isn’t the first time he’s come here to wave his prick around (and not impress anybody with it).

-waits for fart goblin to claim his free-speech is being violated even though WordPress is a privately owned company and WHM is a privately run blog and no one from the government is fining or imprisoning him because apparently capitalism only counts when it goes you way serving and not in one of the few cases that the invisible hand actually works-

dhag85
6 years ago

Or, here’s an idea. Feminists should never get married, because we (men) don’t want them.

Dude, seriously. Stop pretending to speak for all men. I’m a man and I married a feminist. If this marriage were to fall apart and I wanted to remarry, I’d marry a feminist again. How about everybody marries whomever the fuck they want without you assholes trying to dictate to other people how to live their lives.

dhag85
6 years ago

Sorry, should’ve read the other replies first. Just so pissed off.

empress cupcake
empress cupcake
6 years ago

@Eliot Rodger:

They’re making threads on 4chan about how none of the 2000 women won’t have sex with the Dancing Man, so their gesture counts for nothing, and how the women are only doing it for attention and to look good and feel good about themselves and because they’re addicted to social media.

Lea
Lea
6 years ago

Or, here’s an idea. Feminists should never get married, because we (men) don’t want them.

I’ll have to tell my husband that. Somehow he didn’t know he wasn’t supposed to want me.

Do you know what an absolute fool you sound like when you tell other people how they think what they want as if you are an authority of any kind? You don’t even know the definition of feminism, you ignorant ass. You know even less about women.

Spindrift
Spindrift
6 years ago

“Or, here’s an idea. Feminists should never get married, because we (men) don’t want them.”

I wouldn’t want to marry a woman who isn’t a feminist.

ceebarks
ceebarks
6 years ago

haha, I tell my husband about the wacky/hateful antifeminist shit I read on the internet and he’s like, “That’s completely bizarre. But why do you do this to yourself?”

A sensible question for which I lack any reasonable answer. :/

Lea
Lea
6 years ago

It’s not like there’s simply patriarchy or feminism.

Yes, it is. Learn what words mean.

I think the problem with feminism is this assumption that every woman should be reprogrammed to be a feminist, but most women are not and should not be feminists.

Have you ever considered being informed rather than opinionated?

Lea
Lea
6 years ago

What blockquote abomination have I wrought!?!

fromafar2013
6 years ago

@Matthew

Most women are not natural leaders. It’s just biology… I believe in both freedom and nature, but feminism seems to only care about the first one.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-nature

I think the problem with feminism is this assumption that every woman should be reprogrammed to be a feminist, but most women are not and should not be feminists.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/begging-the-question

Or, here’s an idea. Feminists should never get married, because we (men) don’t want them.

“All men everywhere?” I ask as I absentmindedly play with the small metal band on my finger, “Not that being a lesbian separatist is totally out of the question. It’s just not for everybody.” I reach down for my tea and realize it’s gone cold. I take a sip anyway. “Then again, increasingly, lesbians can also get married, even feminist ones, so I guess your hang up isn’t about marriage at all.”

* I am seriously considering replying to boring trolls in narrative form from now on. It’s fun.*

proxieme
proxieme
6 years ago

So evil… housework… worse than slavery, worse than death!

To be fair, house work is pretty awful, but that’s what podcasts, audiobooks, and Kindle Fires that you can carry from room to room so you can half watch Hulu or Netflix while you do some damned boring thing are for.

Or dining or conversation or whatever if you don’t have access to streaming media ;-p

Few people *like* housework – it’s never-fucking-ending drudgery (except cooking when it’s appreciated and using a carpet cleaner because “LOOK AT ALL OF THIS FILTH THAT I HAVE EXTRACTED FROM OUR COUCHES! RAAAH!”…and pressure washing if you include outside stuff, because, c’mon – pressure washing is awesome) but it’s shit that needs to get done if you don’t want to live in your own refuse (or that of small, perpetually sticky people if you have children).

@Nitram – Exactly.
I’m not going to knock anyone who’s single and/or choses to remain single, but when you’re in a (modern) partnership and have chosen to function as a partnership, oftentimes people do what makes sense for a given time or with given strengths – my husband took care of the lion’s share of the housework when I was working FT while finishing up a BA and he was a TA while working on his MA.
Roles can be fluid.

Heck, I’ll fully admit that my experiences may not be typical, but I know two seperate married lesbian couples with kids where one works full time and the other stays home because that’s what made sense for their situations.

Flying Mouse
Flying Mouse
6 years ago

I wish my gender had natural leadership abilities. The ability to take initiative and delegate responsibilities would have come in so handy in this life of mine. Right now is especially tough because I don’t have a supervisor to tell me what to do. If the air conditioner breaks or the car battery dies, what will I do without Mr. FM to give me direction? How will I manage if one of the kids gets sick; I need someone to tell me to call the doctor. All the bills will have to wait until my husband is back in town, because seriously, what business do I have handling money? Mr. FM has threatened to issue a standing order authorizing me to make decisions and take the lead. But we honestly don’t know well that would work out, what with my biology and everything, so instead I have to email him my meal plans every night and decline offers to chair PTA and club committees.

If only leadership and management were something you could learn! Then colleges, private businesses, and the military would have in-depth courses devoted to these subjects, and people could learn methods to help them lead of large groups and effectively manage resources. Wouldn’t that be an incredible world? Alas, we are ruled by nature. Excuse me while I go stare at something pink.

proxieme
proxieme
6 years ago

Oh! FM!

I have something for just such an occasion:

http://imgur.com/8ibxh3m

(It’s a pretty princess pony.)

Flying Mouse
Flying Mouse
6 years ago

I’m so glad you gave me that image, proxieme, because a) PRINCESS PONY and b) google searching it brought me an aweome John Oliver clip. Thanks! 😀

Though I am a little bummed that the guy with the pretty princess pony wasn’t Bobby Flay like I initially thought.

Lea
Lea
6 years ago

I hate living in a messy house more than I hate housework. I am also a FLYlady fan. Clutter makes my skin crawl and I used to have a problem with it. I disinfect as much as I can because it keeps us healthy. I live with pets and children. I just assume everything is swarming with e coli. I think housework is very important. That does not mean you can see yourself in my dishes or the my baseboards aren’t cruddy. You may even find a cobweb or three. We’ll live. A home does not have to be sterile and Better Homes and Gardens isn’t coming here to do a spread on my house anyway.

Paradoxical Intention
6 years ago

Oh, goody! Matthew’s back! And by “goody”, I mean “why are you still here”?

Matthew Chiglinsky | March 10, 2015 at 5:10 am

There isn’t one right answer for every couple. It’s not like there’s simply patriarchy or feminism. If a woman has a job, then obviously she has less time to do housework and so it should be more balanced. But if she DOESN’T have a job, then it would make sense for her to fall back into the traditional role of homemaker.

Why would it make “more sense” for a woman to fall back into the role of “homemaker”? What is it about women that makes us better at “homemaking”? (I, for one, suck at housework. I’m not good at keeping up with it because I don’t like doing it. It’s boring and tedious. I’ll cook, but that’s about it.)

Because it’s not “biology”. It’s social conditioning. Women have been “homemakers” because they were taught from a young age “that’s what you’re supposed to do”. You hear it all the time in old media “You can’t find a husband if you’re not a good cook!”, “Men don’t like a messy girl!”, ect.

Also, why should the woman settle back into all of the “homemaking”, simply because she’s looking for work, or chooses to be a stay-at-home mom? Why does that mean that the man of the house can’t help out a little more anyways? More “biotroofs”?

Also, on the “bossy” issue, it’s the same thing. Most women are not natural leaders. It’s just biology.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdbuaqExWv1r9wv9ro1_500.gif

You know what this smacks of? “Women can’t be president because what if they’re on their period?! They could get cranky and just launch a nuclear strike whenever they want!”

You DO realize that men have hormonal cycles too, right?

And that women, despite being on their period, are still expected (unless it’s really bad that particular month) to act as if everything’s normal? And we do it all the time? I’m willing to bet you know a woman on her period right now.

I think the problem with feminism is this assumption that every woman should be reprogrammed to be a feminist, but most women are not and should not be feminists.

Ah yes, please tell me Mr. Manly, what your problem with feminism is. Because I really want to hear it. [/sarcasm]

Okay, one, no one is saying that feminism thinks every woman has to be a feminist. No one. Except you. The obvious non-feminist.

Two, do you have data for that “most women are not feminists” statement? Because I would like to know how many women, specifically, you mean by “most women”.

Three, no one cares about your opinion on who or who should not be a feminist besides you.

Or, here’s an idea. Feminists should never get married, because we (men) don’t want them.

Considering that many of us female feminists (funny how you ignore that there are, in fact, male feminists. I mean, you’re on a male feminist’s blog) have dated men before, are currently dating men, or are even married with children…*snicker*

I believe in both freedom and nature, but feminism seems to only care about the first one.

“Why don’t feminists believe in my biotroofs?! They’re full of truthiness!!!! Surely, I must be right about this because I am a man! No, it’s the feminists who are wrong!”

I believe in nature too. That’s why I’m very pro-green energy, and I like going to visit national parks when my budget allows. (I went to Muir Woods once for a field trip for my college science class and it was glorious.)

As for the nature you’re speaking of, human nature is fluid and ever-changing. It’s not a rigid set of rules that every human being must follow at all times or else they’re not homo sapiens anymore.

Of course, what you’re thinking of is society. Not nature. You and people who think like you are just upset that we’re not back in the 1950s, where the straight, white, cis-gendered Christian male was the be-all, end-all of humanity, and everyone else was “quiet” and “knew their place”.

Not surprising that those of us who didn’t meet one or all of those criteria said “fuck that”, and started to make noise in favor of change.

kellyrtillson
6 years ago

How do MRAs manage to say such terrible things that simultaneously sound hilarious and silly? “Antihuman transhumanist super-Nazi who are the feminazis.” I can’t.

lith
lith
6 years ago

@fromafar2013:

Please do, I laughed muchly.

Paradoxical Intention
6 years ago

Flying Mouse | March 10, 2015 at 2:53 pm

Though I am a little bummed that the guy with the pretty princess pony wasn’t Bobby Flay like I initially thought.

That wasn’t Bobby Flay? 🙁

http://www.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/201467/rs_560x415-140707115516-560.Purrmanently-Sad-Cat-kitten.ls.7814.jpg

Now I’m sad. I wanted to see Bobby Flay with a pink princess pony…

freemage
6 years ago

“Antihuman Transhumanist Super-Nazi Who are the Feminazis”

Okay, this has to be the name of Bina’s goth-cowpunk band, the one whose first song is gonna be, “Your Evil Black Corrupted Cunty Heart”.

dhag85
6 years ago

Orange is the New Black Corrupted Cunty Heart

Flying Mouse
Flying Mouse
6 years ago

@ParadoxialIntention – IKR? Bobby Flay really needs to work that into his next cooking show. Maybe the pony can be his wisecracking sidekick.

Flying Mouse
Flying Mouse
6 years ago

I don’t know why I consistently slaughter you ‘nym, Paradoxical Intention. I need to just copy-pasta from here on out. Sorry 🙁

Michael Lindsay
6 years ago

Wait, transhumanist now?

Aren’t they the ultra-nerds who want to upload their brains into supercomputers to live in cyber-heaven. How is feminism remotely, distantly, in any way shape or form transhumanist, huh-eh, what? Seriously. What?

proxieme
proxieme
6 years ago

It is from a spectacular John Oliver clip 😀

In fact, I couldn’t find it with a quick (half-assed) search, so I found the video and took a screenshot.

Here’s the other screenshot I took:

http://imgur.com/MOwN1Zo

And here’s the reactions of Jean Luc Picard and Riker to just about everything chronicled about the MRM:

http://imgur.com/qAMpPUg

(I actually had it on my phone to use re: Lindsey Graham, a member of the Senate Subcommittee on Privacy, Technology, and the Law never having sent an email in his life.)

Reg Roper
Reg Roper
6 years ago
Paradoxical Intention
6 years ago

Flying Mouse | March 10, 2015 at 6:01 pm

I don’t know why I consistently slaughter you ‘nym, Paradoxical Intention. I need to just copy-pasta from here on out. Sorry 🙁

Aw, it’s totes fine, Mouse! 😀

If it helps, Paradoxy, Paradox, or Para all work just fine too (As long as another ‘nym with Paradox in it doesn’t come around)!

Bobby Flay really needs to work that into his next cooking show. Maybe the pony can be his wisecracking sidekick.

I hope he does. He’s got a lot going on right now though. He’s doing commercials for Fage yogurt, and he’s got quite a few shows on both Food Network and Cooking Channel.

Since we only have one of those on our satellite package though (Food Network), I can’t watch some of the good stuff like Good Eats with Alton Brown, or Throwdown, where Bobby Flay challenges other people to their best dishes. >3<

Linax5
Linax5
6 years ago

Meanwhile, on the MGTOW comment section:

…………………………………………………………………………………………………..

Turk manvor 5 Monaten (bearbeitet)

Why i went MGTOW ? because female nature is selfish , self serving , greedy, manipulative , they’re almost reptilian.

I’ve been loving , sweet to women … only to be broken hearted and treated like garbage back , i know my self worth , an a great person , with caring and nurturing qualities ( and people say this about most women HA ! ) , helpful, but as i learned from years of bullshit from the opposite sex to be aware , and untrustworthy.

Oh women have all the power.(# # yeah really, fuck you##)

who choices weather you are in a romantic relationship or not ? women (## he has a weird view on relationships and men##)

Daddy government taking care of her if she pops one too many kids ( yeah she doesn’t have an ulterior motive for having so many kids except for love , not to live off of the tax payers no of course not * note the sarcasm * )
(## because THATS such a horrible thing! How dare the government helps people who are not male!## and women get totally kids because of…errr… the money##)

Alimony

Why is she believe without evidence on a rape allegation ?

wearing revealing cloths to attract a man ..admittedly there is power in the female form , and they know this , that’s why it’s funny to me how they say they ” just like dressing that way

” it’s obvious what there intentions are (### intentions to be raped/harassed?? or just wanting to look sexy and still be treaten like human..maybe?##)

… it’s only harassment if the guy that is looking at them isn’t attractive to them. (### or if he is a cat, miau!##)

Ahhh yes that old chest nut , men being in ” power ” …. the question is …. who benefits from the laws and policies from it …. women , biased family court , child custody etc.

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I don’t even know how to comprehend this disgusting words….they doesnt make any sense….

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Linax5
Linax5
6 years ago

Meanwhile in the MGTOW comment section:· ‘reffering to evil ”dead beat mom”’ (while blaming women for being single moms…and Dead beat moms….and married moms……)

mec locvor
all whores should be fucking slapped

Adam Gheevor
🙂

mec locvor
+Adam Ghee: you know I am right

Adam Gheevor
+mec: loc​: you are

mec locvor
+Adam Ghee: lol

mec locvor
+Nagaserpent Killer: hahahaha exactly

james zurichvor
We need a new genocide on whores

Nagaserpent Killervor
+james zurich: Now you are talking my language.War on feminism,these bitches want the same rights as men; so why not fight them like we do men! 

mec locvor 6 Stunden
+Nagaserpent Killer: whenever you wanna get it started count me in.

Alina Stettevor
+mec loc: you sound abusive, but what to expect from a mgtow.
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mec locvor
+Alina Stette 🙁 I am a good guy who has been done wrong by many women. You have no idea…I would tell you but I know you would not care..but what do you expect from a anti-mgtow ( feminist probably)?

-…………..yeah of course the poor guy got butthurt by some chick and tries to kill these ”whores” now…

reminds me of elliot Rodger

mrex
mrex
6 years ago

According to these two articles, men and women apparently put in the same number of work hours
-Reg Roper

Since you give no context here with where you’re going with this, let me point out that I already covered this. yes, men and women work the same amount; men more in paid work, women more in housework and childcare. Yes, those all count as “work” in those studies.

Again, saying “men, you generally need to spend more time doing housework” is generally pretty fucking unfair considering that work hours, paid and unpaid, should be equal between partners.

Re: Lea, unless you live in a hospital or are cleaning guano off of your roof, disinfecting your home statistically doesn’t prevent much illness. (Don’t let the marketing peeps at lysol or Clorox find me!) The exceptions are for cleaning up puke or diarrhea; disinfecting makes a pretty big dent in rotavirus transmission. And of course you should try to keep kids hands clean when out in public, and be careful with food, since that’s where all the germs come in. Quite frankly you and the kids are prolly already immune to any doggy and kiddy E.Coli found in the rest of the house. 😉

Look, when I say that the standards of housework should be lowered, I don’t mean that you should be using Hoarders as your housework muse; I just mean that IMO women shouldn’t be using house porn as seen in magazines and TV either. Mess makes us uncomfortable because we are in a habit of neat. Humans haven’t always been this clean, and no, I’m not suggesting that we make cholera the new thing. there is a happy medium.

Of course, people are free to do whatever they want. Want to be a super neat freak and spend 1000 hours a week scrubbing the house? Cool, just don’t bitch if zie partner doesn’t feel the same way. And don’t raise society’s bar on what constitutes “good enough” for everyone else so high. 🙂

mrex
mrex
6 years ago

Oh, I got wonky with my writing in the last paragraph. That should be in 3rd person, I just read that and realized that it sounded like I was was speaking directly to a specific someone when I meant to be speaking to a general non-person.

ceebarks
ceebarks
6 years ago

I think that a lot of feminists want dudes to do more housework and childcare because those things, in our current domestic setup, generally 1) don’t pay and 2) don’t even count as meaningful work or life experience. If you pick up poop and launder towels and organize the backroom at the animal shelter, you can put that on a resume; if you do it for your own family you might as well have been doing nothing at all.

So a situation in which a man works for pay 5 more hours a week while the woman spends 5 more hours doing housework is a “fair” exchange on the surface, but a pretty bad deal for the woman, long term. Add that up over the course of a lifetime and multiply it by a couple billion women and it’s like, well gosh; small wonder women still struggle. All that invisible labor takes a real toll. If men did more unpaid housework and childcare, it seems reasonable to me that more women would have the wherewithal to do more paid labor and reap the long-term rewards.

on an individual level it sounds petty, but where’s that amazing piece by the 70s feminist who was like, oh, well, if it’s so PETTY, then why’n’t ya find the mop, Nigel? All of a sudden he’s a seething mass of resentment. Always cracks me right up.

The “lower the standards” gambit works… to a point, for some people. But it has major limitations, because there’s a pretty definite lower limit on how bad you (general you) can let things get before it meaningfully impacts the functioning of the household. I’m not talking ’bout cholera. I’m talking about workflow and resource management.

ceebarks
ceebarks
6 years ago

Oh, here it is. Every time I read it I laugh and laugh! https://www.uic.edu/orgs/cwluherstory/CWLUArchive/polhousework.html

(I’m not complaining on my own behalf, mind you. I’m sincerely grateful that my own husband pulls his weight and then some on the housework front! Now to recruit the children on a more regular basis…)

mildlymagnificent
6 years ago

I had never heard “transhumanism” before. Along with “super-Nazis” and “anti-human”, I though they were referring to a comic book.

So you don’t have a copy of one of my favourite book titles on your shelf. We had it for years in a prominent position and it always made me smile.

Great Mambo Chicken And The Transhuman Condition is a little dated now, but it’s worth having just for the title.

Lea
Lea
6 years ago

mrex,
Did I ask for you to advise me? I made very good grades in microbiology. I’ve worked with animal rescues and taken animal health and pre-vet classes. I have NA and some nursing training. I have been a housekeeper in a hotel and in private homes. Why would you assume I need you to school me on how to clean my house? It’s condescending and I’d rather you not. I’m not ignorant nor do I need cleaning or any other tips from you.

Vanir (@Vanir85)
6 years ago

I am a good guy

… who wants large scale violence against women, because of bad personal experience with them (gee, I wonder why). These people are goddamn vile – and that they themselves genuinely think they are “nice people” is just pathetic.

Robert
Robert
6 years ago

Matthew Manlyman’s biotroofing reminded me of this stanza by Charlotte Gilman*:
“Cried all, ‘Before such things can come
You idiotic child,
.You must *alter human nature!*’
And they all sat back and smiled.”

Bloviations such as his also make me grateful to have had the parents I did – they did not stuff my head full of dangerous nonsense like that.

*Yes, the woman who wrote “The Yellow Wallpaper”.

Zolnier
Zolnier
6 years ago

Wait, where the hell does transhumanism come into this?