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Is this anti-Semitic cartoon of Anita Sarkeesian harassment or legitimate criticism? You'll be surprised by the answer these dudes gave!

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So I found the meme above on a Facebook page called “Feminist Hypocrisy.”

I also found this familiar pic posted there as well.

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And this highly edifying discussion underneath it:

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Huh. I’m seeing some hypocrisy here, but it doesn’t look much like feminist hypocrisy.

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Christina Nordlander
5 years ago

All I glean from this “evidence” is that the person who doesn’t make anti-Semitic caricatures of her opponents is the better person.

Also, would love to see source for those two pie charts, if a source exists.

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
5 years ago

GOM, no, those are pretty obviously and blatantly Holocaust “jokes”, and I am seriously side-eyeing your attempt to make them into something else.

Daisyrawks (@daisy20071)

@ Taruhi

But that’s the thing! They aren’t sending Anita anything. They’re, in fact, doing the opposite. They are purposefully discussing their hate between themselves, in a sectioned off group that Anita would NEVER go to. They are keeping their hate away from her in very sick, very cruel jokes. Unless, of course, you were to suggest that Anita is a follower of “Feminist Hypocrisy” fan page on Facebook. Which is why I claimed they weren’t harassing her. They are, by definition, doing nothing of the sort.

Are you kidding? Do you realize that you are on the internet, in a space other than the one in which these images where originally posted, talking about this stuff? Clearly it’s not necessary to visit the Facebook page to find this shit. This is not being kept away from her. Further, are you really laboring under the delusion that nobody who views this shit appreciatively is forwarding it on to Ms. Sarkeesian or that none of it was originally posted to show off what the poster had already sent to her?

Seriously these are Olympic quality mental gynmastics you’re engaging in here.

Also: Hi, everyone! First time posting. 😀

ParadoxicalIntention
5 years ago

@ParadoxicalIntent

But that’s the thing! They aren’t sending Anita anything. They’re, in fact, doing the opposite. They are purposefully discussing their hate between themselves, in a sectioned off group that Anita would NEVER go to. They are keeping their hate away from her in very sick, very cruel jokes. Unless, of course, you were to suggest that Anita is a follower of “Feminist Hypocrisy” fan page on Facebook. Which is why I claimed they weren’t harassing her. They are, by definition, doing nothing of the sort.

They aren’t sending her anything? Really? Because while I’m not too active on Twitter, I’m pretty sure adding @femfreq or #femfreq, #FeministFrequency, #AnitaSarkeesian, or #TropesvsWomen on any of your tweets would alert Miss Sarkeesian of what you’re saying about her or her work. The @ symbol followed by a username sends an alert to you that you’ve been tweeted at, and I’m sure Anita follows her hashtags to see if anyone has anything positive or constructive to say about her work, as any good researcher would do.

Unfortunately, assholes have swamped her notifications and hashtags with their very much direct bile.

She posted a week of this harassment, solely from twitter, where I imagine most of this is taking place. TW for rape and death threats, among ableism, sexism, and general nastiness for those who haven’t seen it: http://femfreq.tumblr.com/post/109319269825/one-week-of-harassment-on-twitter

This is harassment. And, as WWTH mentioned, even if it WAS behind her back, it’s still harassment and bullying.

And to further add:
Subtract Hominem, the Renegade Misandroid | March 7, 2015 at 8:59 pm

This isn’t in secret or in private. It’s on the web, which is a rather public and easily-searchable place.

This too. It’s not hard to find anything anyone’s said about anyone on the net. Google can bring up all kinds of nasty shit if you Google yourself and aren’t careful about what you post online.

Cerberus
Cerberus
5 years ago

It’s kinda amusing to me that all the resistance to Anita Sarkeesian not only proves her points, but points she hasn’t even made (relating to gamer male entitlement culture, hostillity to diversity, and proof that their choice of video games seems to be reflective of or in aid of their overall misogyny).

And that’s fairly impressive, because her series isn’t really as radical as they are pretending it is. “Oh hey everyone, turns out video games suffer from the same over-reliance of problematic formulas as most other forms of media. We should be aware of that so we can become more creative in an industry that is oft criticized for being stagnant.” That’s not really anything far out, but their sustained backlash to even that minor of criticism reveals a far deeper rot.

And I think that is central to the rage. They disliked her calling attention and making them think about their media and they tried to destroy her and she didn’t just go away and be destroyed. In fact, other people found her work and liked it. And no matter how hard they scream, she refuses to be irrelevant just because they decided she should. And that’s the real spotlight in this and Gamergate. That there is a flotilla of entitled gamer douches who really do think that people should go away from existence if they don’t like them and another person refusing is a direct attack on them. It all reminds me of conservative “parents groups” who try and argue trans* and black people should be kept out of sight so that they never have to acknowledge their existence. Just an incredible level of entitlement.

And I think the extra irony is that their nightmare scenario has already come to pass. Her work is reaching people in industry and changing works. Last of Us creators directly credited her series with prompting them to improve their game. And it was beloved, even by the same terrorists who rant at her. So all the ill they are scared she will bring has already happened and they loved it.

Additional irony is that all the hate of gamers has ensured that a bunch more developers will be making a conscious effort in the future to include more diversity, tackle more social justice issues in the future entirely to stick it to these assholes who have been hurting their friends in the industry.

Taruhi
Taruhi
5 years ago

@ParadoxicalIntent
Okay, there’s 5 things wrong. With this.
1. This is from a FACEBOOK GROUP. A, once again, specifically sectioned off Facebook group devoted to “feminist hypocrisy”.
2. Anita’s NOT tagged in any of it. The only people who can and will see it are those who are IN the group and those who will SEARCH FOR the group, without a middle man coming in and screencapping and sending it to them or posting it in an article. For all intents and purposes, this wasn’t to be seen by Anita.
3. Yes, it’s easily searchable. However, you’d have to put in a rather specific search for this group to see these guys. I’m pretty sure that Anita’s a smart enough and responsible enough adult to not go delving into areas of the web where she’s sure to find hateful things said about her when she has plenty sent straight to her doorstep. She’s not a child, guys. I’m pretty sure she knows how to internet.
4. To bully, you have to directly badger or intimidate a “smaller, weaker person” on a regular basis. To harass, you have to pester, disturb, or trouble a person repeatedly. In this sense, yes, the gossiping girls is a bad analogy because, at that age, you can almost never do it without directly affecting them. However, we’re talking about a grown women and, debatably, grown men. What they say is more venting rather than gossiping. Releasing their hate in an area that the subject won’t hear or see, is a thousand times healthier than leaving it unexpressed and built up. No, that doesn’t allievate danger from those who might read it, but there’s always danger.
5. Anita takes literal months to get through emails through her site alone. She has to go through a lot of information just constantly, alongside research in games, appearances on TV and radios shows, interviews with X, Y, and Z newspapers and magazines, writing scripts and speeches, etc. There is a very literal inability for her to ever have time to search for herself, let alone in hives of bigotry.

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

Dear guys who don’t think things like “She should be killed” is a big deal,

There is a thing doctors’ call chronic benign pain. It’s chronic because it never goes away and it is “benign” because the doctor can’t feel it.

That’s what you are doing when you dismiss serious dangers faced by women and other minorities daily. Years ago I considered making a Youtube channel as a homeschool project for my daughter. Her grandparents would have thought it was cute and she’d have gotten tech experience while documenting her experiences and projects both for record keeping and sentimental purposes. How cool would it be to maybe make contact with other secular homeschoolers for once? That would have been a great experience for her, right?

Guess why we never did that? Guess why that was not a safe thing for my kid to do?

She can’t have a public Facebook page for the same reason. She’s 18 now. When does it stop? When does it stop being acceptable? Do you understand that this is not the only pressure she is receiving to stop trying to be a part of the world? Terrorists are trying to silence women and push them back into the kitchen and literally onto their knees in service of men.

Please enjoy this copypasta:

In common law, assault is the act of creating apprehension of an imminent harmful or offensive contact with a person.[1]

An assault is carried out by a threat of bodily harm coupled with an apparent, present ability to cause the harm. It is both a crime and a tort and, therefore, may result in either criminal and/or civil liability. Generally, the common law definition is the same in criminal and tort law. There is, however, an additional criminal law category of assault consisting of an attempted but unsuccessful battery. The term is often confused with battery, which involves physical contact. The specific meaning of assault varies between countries, but can refer to an act that causes another to apprehend immediate and personal violence, or in the more limited sense of a threat of violence caused by an immediate show of force.[2][3] Assault in many US jurisdictions[which?] and Scotland is defined more broadly still as any intentional physical contact with another person without their consent; but in England and Wales and in most[citation needed] other common law jurisdictions in the world, this is defined instead as battery. Some jurisdictions have incorporated the definition of civil assault into the definition of the crime making it a criminal assault intentionally to cause another person to apprehend a harmful or offensive contact.

Women like Anita are being assaulted daily and many men shrug it off because it isn’t going to happen to them. They cannot even comprehend how it feels, how it hurts. So they treat it like no big deal. When they turd who made those pie graphs says she gets next to no harassment and the rest is just legitimate harassment he means that most of the daily assault is fine by him. He’s justifying abuse like abusers do and you are similarly dismissing this terrorism because the targets will never be you. After all, they don’t go after “neutral”, “logical” dudes like you who don;t make mountains of death threat molehills.

Allies like that I don’t need.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

Taruhi,
Why are you spending so much time and energy trying to convince us that this isn’t harmful?

Why is it so important that we not make a fuss?

Whether Anita ever sees this isn’t even the point. Take Lea’s example above. The internet is full of misogyny. Every time something like this is posted, it just reminds everyone female that we aren’t as safe online as men are. When you and other people brush it off, you not only aren’t part of the solution, you’re part of the problem. You contribute to the environment that allows this misogyny to thrive.

Ask yourself. Why do you want that?

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

Taruhi ,
You piece of shit, allcaps= yelling. Don’t you realize that coming here to yell at us instead of going there to yell at those “horrible” people who may be horrible but not so much as you’d call their death and rape threats assault is sexist as fuck? You fuck on off over there and get on it, OK? I’ll hold my breath.

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

Taruhi ,
By your rational it is not the people suggest to her gleeful abusers saying she should be put in a camp and then murdered (exactly as Elliot Rogers wrote in his manifesto) are not the abuser at all. You are suggesting that if she Googles her own name or someone else makes the info public, those are the real abusers. This is the same “Calling out racism is the real racism” attitude we constantly see from entitled assholes. You are drowning in your own ignorant arrogance.

M.
M.
5 years ago
Lea
Lea
5 years ago

What they say is more venting rather than gossiping. Releasing their hate in an area that the subject won’t hear or see, is a thousand times healthier than leaving it unexpressed and built up.

So they’re doing her a favor really? She should send them a fruit basket for not sending these specific suggestion that she deserves to be murdered directly to her?

What are you suggesting they would be driven to do if they could not be antisemitic misogynists in anonymity? Do you here what you are saying? She has to let them abuse her a little to save her own life?

In what way are they not men who should be expected to behave with decency, yet she is a woman who is not seriously harmed by this, an aspect of the constant and sustained campaign of terror being waged on her and many, many other women?

sparky
sparky
5 years ago

Taruhi:

3. Yes, it’s easily searchable. However, you’d have to put in a rather specific search for this group to see these guys. I’m pretty sure that Anita’s a smart enough and responsible enough adult to not go delving into areas of the web where she’s sure to find hateful things said about her when she has plenty sent straight to her doorstep. She’s not a child, guys. I’m pretty sure she knows how to internet.

Then do you also think that white nationalist and Neo-nazi sites are no big deal? What about those sites with pictures of abortion providers on mock wanted posters? After all, people have to do pretty specific searches to get to those sites, right?

And why do you think that wishing someone had died in a genocide is no big deal?

And what do you think that the kind of people who follow Facebook pages like “Feminist Hypocrisy” do when thy’re not on Facebook? Where do you think all those rape and death threats come from? Memes and Facebook pages like the ones above are harmful because they provide support and encouragement to the people who are going out of their way to directly send Anita Sarkeesian threats and harrassment.

ParadoxicalIntention
5 years ago

Taruhi | March 8, 2015 at 12:16 pm

@ParadoxicalIntent
Okay, there’s 5 things wrong. With this.

Oh boy, can’t wait to hear this.

1. This is from a FACEBOOK GROUP. A, once again, specifically sectioned off Facebook group devoted to “feminist hypocrisy”.

Actually, if you had bothered to click the link I sent (and you obviously did not or else you wouldn’t be arguing about fucking FACEBOOK), you would notice that it links to the Feminist Frequency Tumblr Blog itself, and all of the images posted were screencaps from fucking Twitter, not Facebook. Please get that through your head.

The link I posted: http://femfreq.tumblr.com/post/109319269825/one-week-of-harassment-on-twitter

If you’re going to say “there’s something wrong with your argument”, at least fucking read what I’ve written and linked before you put your foot in your mouth and try to make an argument about something I wasn’t arguing about at all.

2. Anita’s NOT tagged in any of it. The only people who can and will see it are those who are IN the group and those who will SEARCH FOR the group, without a middle man coming in and screencapping and sending it to them or posting it in an article. For all intents and purposes, this wasn’t to be seen by Anita.

Do I need to explain how Twitter works again? When you put “@femfreq” IN A TWEET, as all of her examples show, then she gets a message saying “Hey, someone tweeted at you!”

This is how Twitter gets your attention when other people are trying to get your attention. That’s how it works. ANITA WAS TAGGED IN ALL OF THOSE TWEETS. GO READ THEM.

Also, Anita tracks her tags because that’s how other people contact her or make comments on her work as well without directly addressing her.

3. Yes, it’s easily searchable. However, you’d have to put in a rather specific search for this group to see these guys. I’m pretty sure that Anita’s a smart enough and responsible enough adult to not go delving into areas of the web where she’s sure to find hateful things said about her when she has plenty sent straight to her doorstep. She’s not a child, guys. I’m pretty sure she knows how to internet.

She doesn’t have to go into shitty places on the Internet. They come to her. I.e. Twitter. As I showed you with the link I provided in my last post. Please go read it.

And no, it’s not that hard to “see these guys” who are harassing her (also, nice casual denial that women and people of other genders are doing the harassing too). All I have to do is Google “Anita Sarkeesian harassment”. Three words, and I get all I can see, and from blatant, hate-spewing misogynists who think Anita’s there to take away their precious video games.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=anita+sarkeesian+harassment

It’s not that Anita’s going and looking for these people who are harassing her, they’re right there, in her face, all the fucking time, and they have been for a long time now. To say that they aren’t really shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the situation.

4. To bully, you have to directly badger or intimidate a “smaller, weaker person” on a regular basis. To harass, you have to pester, disturb, or trouble a person repeatedly. In this sense, yes, the gossiping girls is a bad analogy because, at that age, you can almost never do it without directly affecting them. However, we’re talking about a grown women and, debatably, grown men. What they say is more venting rather than gossiping. Releasing their hate in an area that the subject won’t hear or see, is a thousand times healthier than leaving it unexpressed and built up. No, that doesn’t allievate danger from those who might read it, but there’s always danger.

Did you just explain to me how bullying works? Really? You think I’m that out-of-touch that I don’t know how bullying works? You’re quite the condescending piece of shit.

I bolded a small bit that I found interesting. Because that’s exactly what’s happening to Anita, and you’re here trying to deny that it is, despite so many other people telling you that it is and providing proof.

You don’t think constant “I hope you get raped/killed/commit suicide” threats all the time on a daily, if not hourly basis isn’t harassment? Don’t ever become a lawyer.

5. Anita takes literal months to get through emails through her site alone. She has to go through a lot of information just constantly, alongside research in games, appearances on TV and radios shows, interviews with X, Y, and Z newspapers and magazines, writing scripts and speeches, etc. There is a very literal inability for her to ever have time to search for herself, let alone in hives of bigotry.

For fuck’s sake, no one said she’s going looking for this shit. She doesn’t have to! It’s brought to her on a silver fucking platter every damn day!

It’s literally right there, in her face! She compiled a whole week’s worth of harassment in that tumblr post I linked you that you apparently refuse to read.

This is, actually, part of her research. The reaction to her TvW series is an integral part of why it’s so needed in the gaming community.
________________________________________

TL;DR: If you can’t comprehend that Anita’s not out actively looking for this shit, how Twitter works, or how to make a decent argument against what I’m actually saying, then please stop now and don’t waste any more of my time, or the time of everyone else here.

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

Taruhi,
They have to talk about raping and killing women to keep from raping and killing but women can’t even complain about them suggesting they be raped or killed. Why, if we make them stop, they’ll start that raping and killing. Right? You still think that is not a threat to all women everywhere?

Because a community that condones talking about which women need to be killed and raped never actually made a man feel good about being a rapist, abuser or murderer of women or convinced men who are not yet those things but considering it would be justified in doing so.

Do you not even see what you are arguing and what it says about how you see men and women?

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

Propaganda demonizing people as evil inferiors and saying they deserve to be killed never hurt anybody. Just ask the Native Americans, black Americans, LGBT people, Jews and The Tutsi. Besides, the internet isn’t real like radio or print. So when terrorists post threats or videos of executions it is not terroism. /s

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/341419/growl-o.gif

Taruhi
Taruhi
5 years ago
Reply to  Lea

@lea
You haven’t been following have you? Okay… Here’s a rundown. First off, I’ve been a subscriber of WHtM for ~3 months now. My intent for being here is to read these articles and get David’s take and view on things. I didn’t come here to argue or yell at anyone. If you’ve noticed, I haven’t done any name calling and the one sentence I used all caps for was a sentenced addressed to everyone to make it clear that these guys are horrible people. It was one sentence thrown to everyone, so obviously I’m going to put heavier emphasis on it. I.E. Yelling. The rest of the individual words I’ve used all caps for have been for emphasis, not yelling. That’s just a restraint of talking through text in general. So you’re asserting a lot to come to the conclusion that I’m just here to tell at (and I’ll use dashes for emphasis, for your sake) -you- instead of them. Especially since my first comment, the one that sprang up this whole semantics game, was questioning how much they’re actually harassing and calling them out for being horrible assholes. I didn’t address you. I didn’t address WHtM’s readership. I just asked for clarity on it. Some people discussed the nuances of harassment and I gave my position back to them. That’s how a debate works. That’s how people learn. I’m having my beliefs challenged and challenging others beliefs so that, when it’s all said and done, someone, anyone, can leave here with something to think about.
With that set, alright, let’s move forward to your increasing number of replies. I’ll more or less summarize them with this: What’s the difference between saying “You make me so mad, that I could stab you” and “You make me so mad, that I will stab you”. Answer: Intent. The first one is a carefully worded statement saying “you are bothering so much, that I feel like this action is justified, but I know better and I’m not going to.” The second is saying “you are bothering me so much that I feel this action is justified and I’m going to act on it.” Y’know. Like Elliot Roger did. He didn’t just say that the people he killed deserved to die, he said he was going to act on it. And he did. These guys in these comments are making jokes that “this” SHOULD happen. Not that it would or will. They’re not threatening to enact on it. They’re not trying to incite others to act on it. At worst, they’re saying “If it happened, it wouldn’t bother me.” Are -ANY- of these statements -good-? Absolutely not. Are any of these statements doing any favors? Absolutely not. They are displaying a level of dangerous vitriol that -could- (not will or would) grow into something worse if unchecked. It’s lowering the -chance- for it to happen. Is that clear enough?
@

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

Did you just explain to me how bullying works? Really? You think I’m that out-of-touch that I don’t know how bullying works? You’re quite the condescending piece of shit.

You haven’t been following have you? Okay… Here’s a rundown.

Stopped reading there, you ignorant, sexist, condesplaining little shitstain. Fuckith thou off.

Taruhi
Taruhi
5 years ago

@Sparky
No, there is no big deal about those sites, IF (and this is a big if) they have no intent to enforce or act on their beliefs. If that is there ideal, fine. As long as they aren’t acting on their dangerous ideals, then there is no problem.
However, keep in mind, these four or five guys are specifically te one’s that I’m addressing. -Could- they be moving onto directly harassing or sending death or rape threats to Anita? Sure, they could. We can’t definitively say that they -are- as much as I can say that Lea over there isn’t sending Anota death or rape threats. I can’t prove or definitively deny that they aren’t, although it’s statistically more probable that they would be a perpetrator than Lea. As far as evidenced by these screen caps, they have a probability to be harassers, but they aren’t -proven- to be harassers.
@ParadoxicalIntent
Para, I honestly have no idea what conversation you’re having anymore. Let me clarify. Your link meant NOTHING before your last comment. It was non-existent. It was never in the conversation. It wasn’t relevant to the conversation either. The conversation is, and this will require you to scroll up because you’ve apparently forgotten the content of this article, that singular Facebook group and those select 4 or 5 guys. Alright? No one in this conversation is denying that Anita receives harassment elsewhere, alright? That happens. That’s proven to happen. Alright? Can we get back on topic now? Or do you want to start talking about the harassment she recieves in her email next?

isidore13
isidore13
5 years ago

@Taruhi, it’s interesting to me that you think expressing these thing in a sounding chamber situation decreases the chance for violence, instead of creating a feedback loop that intensifies emotion and increases the chance for violence. Thoughts?

Taruhi
Taruhi
5 years ago

@isidore13
I don’t think that there’s a 100% rate that people will take the therapiedic effect. There’s definitely a chance that they’ll take more dangerous thoughts from it. Thankfully, the group isn’t entirely closed. The information is entirely public and anyone can join, so alternative thoughts and ideals are capable of entering the space. We’ve had a very small taste of the inner working, so these guys could very well be the minority and their dangerous ideas could be constantly challenged. But, to summarize, the risk isn’t gone. It would be irresponsible to say it is.

M.
M.
5 years ago

Propaganda demonizing people as evil inferiors and saying they deserve to be killed never hurt anybody. Just ask the Native Americans, black Americans, LGBT people, Jews and The Tutsi.

Don’t forget all the Muslims attacked and murdered by Islamophobes riled up by Fox News and other nationalistic right-wing bullshit peddlers. I’m sure they’d happily agree with Taruhi here! (That was sarcasm, Teal-Deeri.)

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

To chew on or to request a ban – that is the question. Whether ’tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The poo-slinging and displays of outrageous asshattery…

isidore13
isidore13
5 years ago

@Taruhi, then I have to ask why you’re here playing the devil’s advocate? What is the endgame for you?

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

M.,
Absolutely right.

I never fail to be astounded at exactly how horrible a person can be and how confident of their own superiority they can remain while they do it.

Fibinachi
5 years ago

Sorry, the information is entirely public?

I was under the impression this was a closed tiny group having a completely private venting fest unrelated to anything at all and neither searchable nor easy to find.

contrapangloss
5 years ago

… So, you’re arguing that because four dudes posted genocidal and nasty stuff to a Facebook hate page, there’s no harassment.

Seriously?

Look, I don’t know about you (because you seem kind of like a horrid individual, to be honest) but if I were to overhear some of the high school and college kiddos I work with make a joke like that, even in passing, to their friends, I would pull them aside and give them a stern talking to.

Because Hells no, that level of hateful rhetoric should not be tolerated in a civil society.

And they need to know that.

Because their buddies sure aren’t telling them…

… So yeah, take your ‘assholes gonna asshole’ and kindly relocate it elsewhere.

Taruhi
Taruhi
5 years ago
Reply to  isidore13

@isidore13
Well, I explained in another comment that I’m not a new reader to this blog. Just this once, I wanted to give my input. In the end, I guess I have ended up just playing devil’s advocate. But y endgame is still just to be able to leave the conversation with having given an alternate view and gotten more to think on and hopefully given others something to think on. Although I’m quickly being labelled as a poo-slinging asshat with a superiority complex, and and agenda for advocating propaganda. Oh, and a sea lion. That slipped right on in there.

ParadoxicalIntention
5 years ago

Especially since my first comment, the one that sprang up this whole semantics game, was questioning how much they’re actually harassing and calling them out for being horrible assholes.

Then you said she wasn’t being harassed, to which I posted the tumblr link. Now you’re claiming it was irrelevant.

What’s the difference between saying “You make me so mad, that I could stab you” and “You make me so mad, that I will stab you”. Answer: Intent.

Intent isn’t fucking magical. Saying “I could stab you” is just as threatening as “I will stab you” when it comes from someone who you don’t know, because you don’t know how far they’re willing to go. I’m sick of all these “False flag!” bullshit arguments based on some absolutely bullshit semantics. Why is this okay to say at all? To anyone?

And WHY is it okay to just go “eh, they wouldn’t really do it.” when we’ve seen that some men, like Elliot Rodger and Ben Moynihan, actually fucking will do it, regardless of their fucking words?

How many times do we have to sit back and assume nothing will happen until it’s too fucking late to do anything about it and women are assaulted and/or dead before you and people who think like you are fucking satisfied that we’re fucking terrified and want something to be done about this shit instead of y’all sitting around on your asses hand-waiving our legit concerns aside because “boys will be boys” or “they need to vent”?

How many more women have to be forced from their homes out of fear for their lives, how many more women have to put up with this shit for simply existing while being a female and daring to have an opinion, how many more women have to die before you take this shit seriously instead of condemning these “assholes” out of one side of your mouth, and protecting them out of the other because their fee-fees are more important than someone’s right to exist without being harassed?

They are displaying a level of dangerous vitriol that -could- (not will or would) grow into something worse if unchecked. It’s lowering the -chance- for it to happen. Is that clear enough?

So, it’s just open season on everyone because these fuckers need to “vent”? What the fuck is wrong with you?

How fucking dare you throw someone to the wolves like that. You sit there and condemn their actions, saying they’re assholes and saying they’re terrible, but then you turn around and say “well, they need to say it or else they’ll hurt people instead! So, you go sit there and take it!”

Fuck. You.

No one deserves this. At all. No one deserves to be bombarded with rape and death threats. How fucking dare you try to say that someone should have to suck it up instead of checking the fucking problem at the source. You’re an evil, despicable person.

@ParadoxicalIntent
Para, I honestly have no idea what conversation you’re having anymore. Let me clarify. Your link meant NOTHING before your last comment. It was non-existent. It was never in the conversation. It wasn’t relevant to the conversation either. The conversation is, and this will require you to scroll up because you’ve apparently forgotten the content of this article, that singular Facebook group and those select 4 or 5 guys. Alright? No one in this conversation is denying that Anita receives harassment elsewhere, alright? That happens. That’s proven to happen. Alright? Can we get back on topic now? Or do you want to start talking about the harassment she recieves in her email next?

Bull. Fucking. Shit.

You said “Anita isn’t being harassed.”

I posted a link to her COLLECTION OF HARASSMENT OVER A WEEK. No, my link was addressing what you were saying at the time. Read what you wrote. Read what I wrote.

Which is why I claimed they weren’t harassing her. They are, by definition, doing nothing of the sort.

Who’s to say that these people aren’t the same people doing the attacks on Twitter?

It was absolutely relevant to the conversation, so kindly fuck right off with your condescending bullshit. I’m done with you.

isidore13
isidore13
5 years ago

I guess it’s just strange that you’ve chosen now to de-lurk, and chosen defending assholes joking about murder as the place on which to make your stand. It’s suspicious. This is how trolls work, which if you really aren’t a new reader you should know by now.

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

“She should be put in a concentration camp and then murdered” = just venting

Ever notice how all of the aggressions toward minorities never seem to add up to any real threat to their well being as if no harm is being done to them other than a few “isolated incidents”? Kind of like how every white man who goes on a murder spree is unrelated to the murder spree the white guy before him went on.

isidore13
isidore13
5 years ago

Sorry, joking should be “joking”.

ParadoxicalIntention
5 years ago

@Lea

Kind of like how every white man who goes on a murder spree is unrelated to the murder spree the white guy before him went on.

But anyone who’s not a white, cisgendered, straight, Christian male represents the ENTIRETY of their group.

ISIS? All Muslims are killers and deserve to die!

Feminists? All women are bitches and deserve to be raped!

Michael Brown? All black people are thugs and deserve to be shot by good (white) cops!

Elliot Rodger? A mentally disturbed, misunderstood individual.

Taruhi
Taruhi
5 years ago

@isidore13
Honestly, if I felt like trolling, there are a lot better articles to choose from over the past few months. I just happened to have time to comment after reading an article and jumped in. However, at this point I’m getting 5 emails notifying me that people have replied before I can finish one reply on my little phone and I like to respond to everyone, so I think I’ll bow out at this point. Maybe continue later when I have access to my computer and can type faster. These old bones can’t work technology like it used to.

Subtract Hominem, the Renegade Misandroid
Subtract Hominem, the Renegade Misandroid
5 years ago

1. This is from a FACEBOOK GROUP. A, once again, specifically sectioned off Facebook group devoted to “feminist hypocrisy”.

Seriously? Posting something on a website that has the business model of “keep track of what is being said by whom, where, and how often so we can sell that information” is supposed to make us believe that a conversation is intended to be more private?

Does anyone have a splint I can borrow for my credulity? It seems to have suffered a strain.

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

Taruhi,

Telling someone you are going to kill them is assault. No one knows your intent but you, so it’s pretty rich that you expect a woman to prove intent before she can call her assault and assault.

Don’t fucking tell me that the intention here is not to terrorize this woman by making her afraid everyday of her life. Telling someone you are going to kill them is not OK because it doesn’t scare you that men chased her from her home in fear for her fucking life. It never will be. In fact, you’re an apologist for them. They’ll never send death threats to your mom or your kids.

This isn’t a funny little prank. Christ, you’ve even stated that these men are all one banned death threat away from becoming rapists and murders. They are getting their jollies by imagining raping and murdering this woman and she should assume men like that don’t really mean it when they tell her they’re going to rape her to death because she’s a woman? You said it wasn’t a big deal because she was a woman and women should just accept this as harmless in order to be considered adults.

The two different standards you hold men and women to are obvious to everyone but you.

You came here a misogynist and you remain a misogynist. Fix it or fuck off.

ParadoxicalIntention
5 years ago

I’m going to go play Minecraft for a while (I didn’t sleep at all last night due to allergies, so I’m cranky as hell), and when I get back, I sincerely hope this shit is dealt with. I can’t deal with this right now. I’m too goddamned angry.

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

Taruhi ,
Considering you’re condescending comment to me, your whining about how we expect too much of you is hilarious! If you don’t have time to read, you don’t have time to write. You are not the star of a monologue here to enlighten the fuzzy-pink-lady-brained feminists. Show some respect to the people who bothered to read what you wrote. Then, don’t write. You do not need to write. You need to shut up and listen.

isidore13
isidore13
5 years ago

Yes, I’m on board for bannination. Zie admits zie is basically here to play devil’s advocate by sealioning everyone here, and that’s just… overdone.

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

Honestly, if I felt like trolling, there are a lot better articles to choose from over the past few months.

Did you just try to neg us?

BWAHAHAAAAAA!

andiexist
andiexist
5 years ago

So did other people miss that Taruhi said that white nationalist websites are a-ok as long as they don’t do anything? Because NOPE.

@Taruhi

Though it was painfully obvious that you are here in bad faith, I was willing to engage with you in good faith. But no. Just no. Those sites are dangerous BECAUSE their awful culture makes the general culture worse. Not “until.” There is no until there.

Go stick your darn flounce.

Oh, and one more thing? People needing to get out excess rage is something video games are good for, not an excuse for awful behavior directed towards living beings.

And now you try to claim that you are NOT sea-lioning? Laughable, if you hadn’t come here to defend horrible specimens of humanity.

andiexist
andiexist
5 years ago

Ugh. Sorry for the teal deer, guys. People who think that racists are harmless just because they themselves are (maybe) not out there physically attacking minorities are just freaking horrible. And I get teal when I’m angry. :/

ParadoxicalIntention
5 years ago

@andiexist

Don’t worry, you weren’t that teal. I made your post look like a tweet. >.0

andiexist
andiexist
5 years ago

Whew. Thanks; I just don’t want to fill up the comment thingies. It’s been awhile since I’ve seen a troll show up (aside from the one who released the Katies) and this just had to be one of the angry-making ones instead of the amusing ones. Where are the Woodies? Where are the ones like that one I hadn’t been around for that lived DIRECTLY ON THE BEACH?

I liked your posts, though, teal as they were. It lessens the rage to see other people tearing the troll-arguments apart. 🙂

repentantphonebooth
5 years ago

You know, I think I might spend a little extra time discussing any death threats I received to. On account of the mortal danger.

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

I love reading the comments here, long or short.

repentantphonebooth ,
That’s up to you, but you should know that it definitely is not your job to stay silent.

katz
5 years ago

So this has been disgusting.

contrapangloss
5 years ago

…Katz, can I second that? I mean, “Hate speech should be a-okay as long as it’s between friends? And it’s totes not harassment if you don’t say it to their face! It’s just… healthy venting!”

Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. All the nope. Just, nope.

Ellesar
5 years ago

repentantphonebooth – yeah – really ‘nice’ that you are trivialising there. WHO exactly decided that the internet should be a vicious freeforall where death and every other kind of threat is the norm? Why do we all have to fight through all that shit to find a voice of reason?

In the UK you can go to prison for such things – I am not weeping for the infringements on their ‘venting’ behaviour at caroline criado-perez’s expense.

In case you haven’t noticed making a record of such threats does make for good evidence if at any time you acquire a harasser IRL too.

Spindrift
Spindrift
5 years ago

Me and my feminist friend Katie are jumping aboard the nopetrain too.