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Is this anti-Semitic cartoon of Anita Sarkeesian harassment or legitimate criticism? You'll be surprised by the answer these dudes gave!

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So I found the meme above on a Facebook page called “Feminist Hypocrisy.”

I also found this familiar pic posted there as well.

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And this highly edifying discussion underneath it:

anitagoldstar

Huh. I’m seeing some hypocrisy here, but it doesn’t look much like feminist hypocrisy.

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Fnoicby
Fnoicby
5 years ago

She’s quite a nice looking lady, I’m sure most of these dudes would be pretty excited if they had her attentions. They seem to operate on the idea that women are terrified of being considered unattractive by them.

Karalora
5 years ago

Jesus fucking Christ, do these guys ever HEAR themselves?

Omnicrom
Omnicrom
5 years ago

Do you think we could have some of those “Legitimate criticisms” perhaps? And no, being a woman doesn’t count.

sparky
sparky
5 years ago

“She deserves a golden star”
“And a nice shower”

So, I guess implying that someone should be the victim of genocide is “legitimate criticism” now.

Yeah, these guys need to step on all the Legos.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
5 years ago

Everyone remember this? Anita posted (by my count) 157 harassment messages that she received over the course of one week.

So, using that as a basis, and a really rough estimate that the left-hand pie chart in the OP shows her harassment is only around 1% of the total volume of messages she gets, then that means in one week she would be getting flooded with 15,543 “criticism” messages.

I’m not entirely sure how many tweets celebrity-type figures get, but that seems like a lot to me. More than anyone could ever hope to respond to at any rate. That volume could look like harassment no matter what the content. It’s a gish gallop of epic proportions.

The right-hand pie chart doesn’t really say anything besides “Anita doesn’t respond to critics much.” Well, of course not. She’s basically running an editorial video series, not a series of documentaries. Plus, with the volume of shit she gets served (and must get served if the left-hand pie chart is accurate at all), there would be no point. You can’t have a constructive conversation with 15K tweets.

Taruhi
Taruhi
5 years ago

… Wait, what hypocrisy? Anita’s not involved in the image, past her likeness, so they’re not harassing her. At the same time, they’re not offering legitimate criticism. They’re not contributing to either side of the coin. So… How is it hypocritical? Just looks like being assholes to me. All of the 4, possibly 5 guys.

NicolaLuna
NicolaLuna
5 years ago

The antisemitism there makes me want to rage quit the internet. Why are MRAs such fucking shitty people?

Seriously dudebros, you are not humaning correctly -_-

suffrajitsu
suffrajitsu
5 years ago

I watched all of the Tropes vs. Women in Video Games videos even though I’m not a video game player so I could see what all the fuss was about. What astonished me most was how *tame* they are. She’s very calm and collected throughout, mostly focuses on particular examples, and she never actually describes video games as a whole as sexist–she’s focusing on the *tropes* that are pervasive examples in a particular medium, in this case video games. There are points where you can disagree, but she’s one random person making a particular type of critique of a huge medium. Even if you disagreed with every single thing she says (and a lot o her criticism is pretty basic, I don’t see how you could disagree with all of it unless you’re part of the problem), there is zero need to feel so threatened by it. Easy proof of how over-the-top obsessed her Gater haters are? Go on the website for The Colbert Report, most videos of guest interviews have none or only a few comments. Anita’s video has 122.

Also, it’s bullshit that Anita doesn’t listen to so-called legitimate criticism. She doesn’t respond *directly*, but she has made changes based on feedback. For example, she stopped using the term “prostituted women” in her videos after someone suggested it was somewhat restrictive. And she’s actually announced a series to examine masculinity in video games, while the Tropes vs. Men in Video Games rebuttal series–shocker!–never materialized.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

Holocaust jokes? Keep it classy, boys.

ikanreed
ikanreed
5 years ago

The most telling thing is that none of these people(and I use the term lightly when referring to pro-holocaust dipshits) have ever, watched any of her videos.

Almost all of this “legit criticism” tends to take the form of saying “she’s lying about harassment, and ignoring criticism.” I don’t know what they expect.

portlantonio
5 years ago

I really think a lot of this kind of stuff arises from the unbelivable ignorance of these folks. The fact that antisemitism is a real thing and that the holocaust was a real thing, and not just something going on during call of duty 2, doesn’t even occur to them.

I once worked with a kid who I think exemplifies a lot of these “gamers.” The guy thought he was super smart because of his nerdy hobbies, but fauled a community college U.S. history 101 class, twice. Dude was completely unreceptive to any information that ran contrary to his presumptions, be it an overhyped video game or how “dtf” a conservative Christian 16 year old we worked with was (nut to mention the appropriateness of his interest)

Aftrer all, how could he be wrong? He already knew everything! He spent his whole life playing halo! Haven’t you seen TV? Haven’t you seen the movies? Gamers are always super smart, and one day a virginal “babe” will just fall in their lap because they deserve it for being paragons of virtue!

I love that my rants are at least semi-relavent here, by the way.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
5 years ago

Unfortunately, while I’d buy that this stuff get’s perpetuated through ignorance, I’d still say it’s fueled by out-and-out bigots. “Robert Brandt,” for instance, lists “Might makes Right” as a favorite book and is into White Power as a topic.

ſoǝ Klǝɯɯǝɹ (@JoeKlemmer)

@suffrajitsu – This is an excellent analysis of what the series is saying and, particularly, the way is should be seen. When I watched my reaction was simple…

There’s a few specifics where she might be reaching but, overall, nothing she’s saying is untrue.

No rational person could be upset by any of her points. And that is, of course, why GamerGate exists.

proxieme
proxieme
5 years ago

^ The bottom line is that while these gits say that they want video games to be viewed and appreciated a serious medium, they want it to be THEIR medium with only THEIR opinions counting.

It’s pretty clear that these people have remained faaaaar away from academia if they think that Anita’s criticism is out of line.

WithAZ
WithAZ
5 years ago

Shit, I didn’t even see that was a holocaust joke until it was pointed out. These people really are terrible human beings.

ikanreed
ikanreed
5 years ago

@proxieme, so when they are exposed to academic environments, what they do is start crafting conspiracy theories about how the idea of critical examination of fictional sources comes from Marxist spies from the 1910s.

NickNameNick
NickNameNick
5 years ago

I watched all of the Tropes vs. Women in Video Games videos even though I’m not a video game player so I could see what all the fuss was about. What astonished me most was how *tame* they are. She’s very calm and collected throughout, mostly focuses on particular examples, and she never actually describes video games as a whole as sexist–she’s focusing on the *tropes* that are pervasive examples in a particular medium, in this case video games. There are points where you can disagree, but she’s one random person making a particular type of critique of a huge medium. Even if you disagreed with every single thing she says (and a lot o her criticism is pretty basic, I don’t see how you could disagree with all of it unless you’re part of the problem), there is zero need to feel so threatened by it.

It’s absurd how much people will purposefully misinterpret her point – one of the worst claims being that her logic is “no different” from that of Jack Thompson.

Uh, actually, it’s very different. I’ve never heard Sarkeesian once say certain games should be banned or that simply playing a game leads to criminals behavior or any of the nonsense Thompson said – she analyzing fictional tropes and how they can be implicitly sexist, which in turn generally enforce backwards societal attitudes that need to be dealt with. I’m not sure how that’s any different from how a number of people review films or novels or television shows though I’m sure it’s “for reasons.”

Again, the stuff in the OP makes me wonder: why do GamerGaters, as well as free speech absolutists, expect me to find any legitimacy in their position when they actively participate in this kind of shit. As a Jew – how the fuck am I suppose to just find it “acceptable”? Maybe it’s because I lived in a very Christian neighborhood for a portion of my life and had to deal with a lot of back-handed and passive-aggressive anti-Semitism despite supposedly also being “white”, but I can’t tolerate that shit as being “quirky” or “eccentric” or whatever phrase ignorant people use to excuse the shitty behavior of terrible people.

Cavoyo
Cavoyo
5 years ago

I don’t know if you know, but that three fingers symbol on the picture in the Facebook comments is a fascist symbol. It became popular in Europe after a lot of countries banned Nazi salutes. For example, a Ukrainian fascist group named Svoboda uses it as their logo on flags.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

Cavoyo,
Because of course it is. I should have known. These people really are giant pieces of shit. And these are probably the same people who call feminists “feminazis” without a trace of irony.

Alliecat84
Alliecat84
5 years ago

Unrelated: today’s SMBC comic features an awesome summary of the MRA “withholding sex” argument. http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=3661

lkeke35
5 years ago

‘Seriously dudebros, you are not humaning correctly -_-‘

I love this phrase too much!

M.
M.
5 years ago

Well, these fucknuggets literally consider shit like “I WILL RAPE U 2 DEATH & EAT UR HEART U WH*REC*NT HH88” to be “Legitimate criticism” but will usually (not always) admit that the school shooting threat in Utah was “Harassment,” so the left chart is technically accurate if you translate the labels.

teiresias
teiresias
5 years ago

Not only does it involve a Holocaust joke, it’s being directed at someone of Armenian descent. I can even, but I see no point. It’s synergistic horrible. It’s the kind of thing said by someone who deserves to be beaten to death with a power drill.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
5 years ago

What I love* about the anti-Semitic attacks on Sarkeesian is the fact that she’s not Jewish but Armenian, a group that has more than its fair share of stereotypes that they could be using. As can be seen, for instance, in the view reported by George Orwell (I think), that you should “trust a snake before a Jew, and a Jew before a Greek, but never, ever trust an Armenian.” So much material, and they’re just not using it!

Gamergaters: failing so hard, they can’t even do racism right.

*Find hilarious, because I have a very dark sense of humor.

Note: there is a certain element of sarcasm in this post.

Kootiepatra
5 years ago

Just taking a moment to notice that these dudes are posting under their real names.

armenia4ever
5 years ago

Anita Sarkeesian isn’t Jewish though…

Diogenes
Diogenes
5 years ago

If I recall correctly, Armenians are the group that most closely resembles Jews genetically. I can’t find the Y-DNA migration map at the moment

LBT
LBT
5 years ago

RE: Taruhi

All of the 4, possibly 5 guys.

Yeah, I’m sure all that harassment on youtube is totally supplied by four or five total insomniacs with an army of spambots. (Also, how many jokes do you NEED about being a victim of genocide before it counts as harassment?)

teiresias
teiresias
5 years ago

Diogenes:

I suppose that’s possible, but it seems a bit unlikely. Jews largely group genetically with other Levantine groups, while Armenians seem to be closer to other southern Indo-Europeans from Italy, the Balkans, and Anatolia (which is somewhat consistent with the idea that the first Armenians were descendants of Phrygian settlers in eastern Anatolia and the Caucasus).

andiexist
andiexist
5 years ago

@Taruhi

Because saying that someone should be killed in a concentration camp as part of the systematic destruction of their ethnic group… is beyond just having their heads blocking their collective anuses? That’s kinda *really horrible,* you know?

Ugh. So much horrible. 🙁

M.
M.
5 years ago

@Diogenes

… I’m not sure what your point is?

Eliot Rodger Was A Terrorist
Eliot Rodger Was A Terrorist
5 years ago

Interestingly enough, there also appears to be a genetic link between the Druze (another Levantine group) and the Ojibwe! They both have high rates of Haplogroup X, which is relatively rare elsewhere.

How this came about, I have no idea….but Joseph Smith probably would have found it intriguing.

LBT
LBT
5 years ago

Speaking of harassment, you guys might find this article interesting! It’s about one woman trying to take on a douchebag who hacked people for revenge porn.

Kestrel
Kestrel
5 years ago

Actually LBT that article is old. Mr. Moore will be starting his federal prison stay next month IIRC. The mom in that article is the awesome reason he is going to prison. I am pretty sure that Moore is sorry he ever heard of Kayla Laws.

suffrajitsu
suffrajitsu
5 years ago

@portlantio: well, I’d be willing to bet some of the Gators are Holocaust deniers. But even so, I think among many Internet users there’s a flippant attitude about the Holocaust–that it’s an “edgy” thing to joke about, not a real thing that happened to real people. (I mean no offense to punk fans, but I get really annoyed when bands like the Sex Pistols go all “Nazism is edgy!”–no, you can’t complain about fascism while wearing the symbol of one of the biggest literally fascist movements of the 20th century, you childish fucks)

Even the idea that Anita is signaling out video games for criticism is absurd. FemFreq’s earlier videos were mostly about movies and TV, much shorter with much less examples (TVWIVG uses literally hundreds of examples each video, and she still gets accused of cherrypicking), and her language is much, much feistier and more inflammatory. One reasonable criticism I have seen even among her supporters is that the video games series can be very dry and academic. She’s much sassier in her earlier work–you can tell she had to tone it down to avoid the “angry feminist” label.

Oliver Smith
5 years ago

I’m struggling to see how any gamer gater can claim to have the moral high ground when they put out content like this

LBT
LBT
5 years ago

RE: Kestrel

I couldn’t be more delighted. He really sounds like someone who thought he could do whatever he wanted without consequence. I’m glad to see him behind bars.

RE: suffrajitsu

I knew some really obnoxious people back in the day who seemed to find Nazism a kind of edgy humor. They… are not people I miss from my life. And it’s why I find Nazi kink absolutely repellant.

katz
5 years ago

I’d be willing to bet some of the Gators are Holocaust deniers.

Well, given that some of them are literally Nazis…

Mike
Mike
5 years ago

@ Rapid Rabbit: Yeah, that hits on one of the creepiest things about all the antisemitism directed towards the gentile Sarkeesian: these people seem to really want an excuse to hate Jews.

@suffrajitsu: “Even the idea that Anita is signaling out video games for criticism is absurd. FemFreq’s earlier videos were mostly about movies and TV…”

Point that out to GG, and they’ll tell you that’s just proof of how she’s not a real gamer and should be condemned even further. You can’t win with GG.

Catalpa
Catalpa
5 years ago

On a slightly lighter note, I recently spotted this post on tumblr regarding the Nazi uniforms and their complete and utter lack of sense.

http://dangerwaffle.tumblr.com/post/112291615256/prokopetz-when-modern-media-wants-a-group-of#notes

A short section of it says:

Virtually every element of the Nazi uniform made up for its smart styling by being ridiculously impractical. The officers often had it worst of all; their uniforms were expertly tailored to make their builds look trim and powerful, at the cost of being stuffy, uncomfortable, and difficult to move around in. Indeed, some officers’ uniforms were so smartly tailored that they couldn’t sit down without taking their pants off. Yeah, let that image roll around in your head for a moment or two.

The upshot is that whenever I see baddies in a movie or a TV show with clearly Nazi-inspired uniforms, my first thought is less “whoa, badass!” and more “these men are about to be murdered by their own trousers”.

Though apparently the source blog of the post has said that there was some misinformation in the original post, I still find it an amusing image to entertain of these neonazi trashbuckets being strangled by their own suspenders.

misseb47
misseb47
5 years ago

I really love how these MRA’s seriously believe that sexual harassment, death and rape threats count as “legitimate criticism”. Also, what’s up with the MRM and anti-semitism? They obviously hate the Jews and regularly use Nazsi propaganda in their ‘caricatures’, yet they call us femiNAZIS. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. I’m not really surprised, though. The MRM use projection and hypocrisy a lot. For example, they criticise feminism for focusing mainly on women’s issues, yet their movement focuses solely on male issues (while at the same time doing nothing to help men, except whining). They accuse feminists of being all extremists, while having extremists like Paul Elam and Warren Farrel as the face of the MRM. They accuse feminism of being a hate group, while they are actually a hate group. They accuse feminists of silencing them, yet they fill every remotely feminists video or article with hate and harass women like Anita Sarkeesian so severely (for daring to make videos critiquing computer games. OH THE HUMANITY!!!!!!! ) that she had to go into hiding. It is acceptable for women to join the MRM, yet it is not acceptable for men to become feminists or show support female issues. They are so stupid that they won’t be able to recognise their own reflection in the mirror. ^^;

Ellesar
5 years ago

I started watching Feminist Frequency ONLY because it was the ONLY feminist channel I could find. When I found out how she is treated I understood why more feminists don’t have channels. I would love to do one, but I really don’t want to see death and rape threats about me online. Even if they are not ‘serious’ I just do not want that in my life.

I found them pretty interesting considering that I am a non gamer. AS is a good presenter. It doesn’t matter if I agree with her or not. I think she arouses so much hate because she is an open feminist – the gaming critique aspect is of course relevant, but if she had critiqued and never used the word feminist I bet the harassment would have been tiny in comparison.

scott
scott
5 years ago

I play video games and the closest thing I’ve seen to a legit criticism is that she sometimes picks bad examples to back up her points.

Everything else is just “oh no she’s a woman and she has opinions”

misseb47
misseb47
5 years ago

suffrajitsu

I have no idea why they hate her so much. Making videos about games is no justification for the abuse she gets, no matter how poorly produced they might be and her videos are excellent. These people act like she caused the apocalypse or something! O.O I heard a lot of bad things about her and began watching her videos out of curiosity. Just to see what the fuss was all about. I have to say that I was seriously shocked. All her videos are very well presented (although they are a bit dry and academic like you said) and thoroughly researched. She often studies hundred games or more to make each video, so the cherry picking accusation is complete garbage. I honestly can’t see what the hell they are talking about. It truly seems to me that her haters are pulling this bull shit out of their arse. All their accusations and hate have no basis in reality what so ever.

misseb47
misseb47
5 years ago

I play video games and the closest thing I’ve seen to a legit criticism is that she sometimes picks bad examples to back up her points.

Everything else is just “oh no she’s a woman and she has opinions”

So true, scott, so true…

suffrajitsu
suffrajitsu
5 years ago

@Ellesar and misseb47: the hate actually started BEFORE the Tropes vs. Women in Video Games series was even released, immediately after her Kickstarter campaign (which is also pretty tame https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/566429325/tropes-vs-women-in-video-games) They hadn’t even seen the product yet (even that is generous given most Gamergaters never watched any of her videos, but you know what I mean). Just the idea of a feminist woman talking about sexism in video games was enough to anger the mobs. So yeah. Whatever shit they will say about it, there is absolutely NO reason for the level of hatred towards her.

katz
5 years ago

On a slightly lighter note, I recently spotted this post on tumblr regarding the Nazi uniforms and their complete and utter lack of sense.

Well, Hitler was right about one thing: Telogreika do make you look like you’re wearing a blanket. It is the Snuggie of uniforms.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Kovpak_partisanki.jpg

Karl Winterling
5 years ago

There are people who voiced legitimate criticism of Anita’s series, but they typically don’t identify as being part of GamerGate and they tend to think she makes some good points.

I really wouldn’t be surprised if a subsection of GamerGaters are Holocaust deniers. Much of the stuff on 4chan’s /pol/ board promotes white nationalist and antisemitic views. I think a lot of it is serious and not just “trolling.”

Come to think of it, you could probably write a term paper comparing GamerGate’s attacks on “feminist” games to the Nazi party’s attacks on stuff like modernist art and “degenerate” culture.

katz
5 years ago

I play video games and the closest thing I’ve seen to a legit criticism is that she sometimes picks bad examples to back up her points.

And even that is usually a really weak argument, since it’s always things like “It’s optional to murder and mutilate the hookers, so that’s not an example of violence against women!”

In fact, the whole idea that she picks bad examples is itself a mimetic idea. The number of people who actually watched her videos and went “hang on, I’ve played that game, that’s not a very good example” is rather small (I remember something from Bioshock Infinite that I would quibble with, but even so, it was fine when taken as part of the overall message she was presenting); mostly it’s people repeating the idea that her examples are bad, along with the same one or two questionable cases, as an easy way to discredit her.

misseb47
misseb47
5 years ago

the hate actually started BEFORE the Tropes vs. Women in Video Games series was even released, immediately after her Kickstarter campaign (which is also pretty tame https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/566429325/tropes-vs-women-in-video-games) They hadn’t even seen the product yet (even that is generous given most Gamergaters never watched any of her videos, but you know what I mean). Just the idea of a feminist woman talking about sexism in video games was enough to anger the mobs. So yeah. Whatever shit they will say about it, there is absolutely NO reason for the level of hatred towards her.

Thanks for pointing that out. I don’t really know much about her. All I knew was that was that she makes videos about games and that hated for some vague reason (other than being a moderate feminist woman who dares make videos, of course). The fact that this bullshit started before the project was even released and that many Gamergaters never even watched her videos makes their ‘criticisms’ even more unfounded. Hopefully these people will someday realise how ridiculous all this is and pull their heads out of their arses. I’m not going to hold my breath, though.

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