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The Men’s Rights infographic no feminist can rebut! (Because it’s impossible to read.)

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Is this the holy grail of MRA infographics?

Designed — if that’s the word for it — by an MRA and #GamerGater who calls himself BJSparky, this lovely “poster” offers up a 2000-word wall of text in such tiny type it’s impossible to read.

Well, not completely impossible. I snagged the largest version of the poster I was able to successfully download on BJ’s Deviant Art page and enlarged it until the text was a more reasonable size for reading — albeit a bit blurry. (There may be a larger version, but I got a broken image when I clicked on his download button.)

A quick scan reveals that this particular wall of text seems to have been built mostly with straw: it’s a list of allegedly feminist beliefs that no feminists actually believe. (Admittedly, I didn’t read every example; for all I know, the entire right side of the poster might be made up of passages copied from Supernatural fanfic or James Joyce’s Ulysses.)

Here are some of BJ’s straw feminist nuggets:

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As you can see, BJ is as elegant a writer as he is a designer.

I would kind of love to see these straw feminist nuggets blown up and used as signs at some straw feminist demonstration.

Over on the Men’s Rights subreddit, the poster has gotten a more enthusiastic reception than I have given it here, garnering more than 100 upvotes and inspiring this amazing comment:

InWadeTooDeep 14 points 23 hours ago*   This is quite possibly the most well made poster I have ever seen; Maybe I just have low or unusual standards.  I wonder how /r/Feminism would react to this, lets find out. Banned in less than 24 minutes with no discussion and the only comment is concern-trolling.Sorry, bro, but I think there is a definite possibility that you have low and/or unusual standards.

H/T — the awesome chewinchawingum on r/againstmensrights

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fromafar2013
5 years ago

Oh man, those straw feminists sound horrible. I’ll tell my feminist friend Katie to not invite them to the next Feminist Hive Mind meeting. They’re making us look bad.

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

What are they good at?

davidknewton
davidknewton
5 years ago

That is the pinkest, most illegible strawman I’ve ever seen.

Mongoose
Mongoose
5 years ago

Kind of self-defeating isn’t it:
“If you support any of these statements then…”
None of us support any of these statements. Can we go now?

Shadow
Shadow
5 years ago

What are they good at?

Absolutely nothing!! HOO-AHH!! Sing it again now!

magnesium
5 years ago

I’m a little impressed he was able to line all the text up, since that’s usually too tough for them, but yeah this thing is a mess. None of the tiny text is quotes or references to any actual research. It’s all repetitive straw arguments that he made up, so there’s no reason he can’t combine them into just a handful of made up straw arguments that would be legible. Infographs aren’t supposed to be a book. And even if they were, don’t treat them like a 9th grade essay that you fill with nonsense because you think more words will make you sound smarter.

Dee
Dee
5 years ago

“We want to ban urinals in public men’s washrooms for the sake of cleanliness…”

WHAT?

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

Agh!!! My magenta cone cell receptors just shorted out.

I think straw feminists and real feminists can agree: we want to be able to read posters without an electron microscope.

Andrew Johnston
5 years ago

A few entries chosen at random:

(Column 3, item 11) We want to ban urinals in public men’s washrooms for the sake of cleanliness, and yet say nothing about similar issues, such as cleanliness of toilet seats and providing contaminated boxes for used tampons that hang on stalls in women’s washrooms

Is this an actual thing? By which I mean is this an actual feminist thing, or is it one of those cases where some municipality is removing urinals from their public restrooms, so these dipshits just blame feminists out of habit?

(Column 4, item 5) We believe any and all forms of femininity are completely harmless, but many forms of masculinity (natural or otherwise) are toxic

As much as these guys whine about that “toxic masculinity” series, you’d think at least one of them would have read it by now. Also, “masculinity (natural or otherwise)”?

(Column 2, item 7) We expect men to be able to know what women want by reading between the lines and analyzing their body language, but have women be free of any responsibility or obligation to let others know what she wants

And once again, the He-Man Women Haters prove unable to distinguish between feminists and characters in old sitcoms.

ikanreed
ikanreed
5 years ago

“Feminists think men are simple-minded, as evidence, I point out how everyone says I’m simple minded. There’s definitely no alternative explanation for that.”

M.
M.
5 years ago

Maybe he was going for a Schrödinger’s Infographic thing. The text is too small and too white-on-fucking-magenta to read, so it could say literally anything. Straw nonsense, something approaching reality, a recipe for Black Forest cake? You won’t know until you observe it and it’s damn near impossible to observe! CHECKMATE FEMINISTS.

Professor fate
Professor fate
5 years ago

Not exactly apropos to the discussion but the not enough coffee thought came to me – would a straw feminist be interested in dating the scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz ?

fromafar2013
5 years ago

I think I found three that are actually real, feminist arguments.

In summary; reverse sexism isn’t a thing, misandry isn’t a thing, and when women are oppressed it’s caused by the Patriarchy.

Those are the only ones.

And holy shit, the ones obsessing over statutory rape (there’s at least 3 that I saw) make it pretty clear what this guy would rather have happen. They’re angry that men who rape children have to register as sex offenders and “have their lives ruined”. It’s the same old shite with these people, isn’t it?

Andrew Johnston
5 years ago

A few more:

(Column 1, item 11) We want convicted criminals to never be incarcerated, but only if they’re female

Give him some credit – at least he didn’t use the phrase “pussy pass.”

(Column 5, item 2) In media, a cast of all females is acceptable and empowering, but a cast of all males is oppressive and exclusive

Tell you what – when we get a show or film with that all-female cast, we can test to see if your theory is true. Why, the last time we had a film with a predominantly female cast, only one high-profile producer came out and said that women can’t anchor a blockbuster, so what do you want?

(Column 1, 3rd from bottom) We believe that any issues women face because of their gender will always trump any issues men face because of their gender, or any other issue for that matter, regardless of how serious it may be

…Says the guy who goes on to belittle “toxic masculinity” as an attack on men.

(Column 5, item 11) If a man commits statutory rape on a girl, she will get sympathy and support, but a woman commits statutory rape on a boy, he will be admired

…By feminists? Oh yeah, there are a lot of high-fives at NOW when that happens. It’s the feminists who celebrate that.

lyzzy
lyzzy
5 years ago

I think I’ll try using this as a test device for dudes who want to discuss gender stuff. Picking a quote and lamely trying to defend it should sort out the suckups from the somewhat serious. I just have to remeber letting them in on the joke afterwards…

ej
ej
5 years ago

I skimmed the poster and found this little gem.

We want women to always be able to rely on support from others when needed or desired, whereas men need to “suck it up and grow a pair.”

Ummmm…WHAT? I think he’s confused “feminism” with “the patriarchy.” This is exactly what feminists are fighting against.

fromafar2013
5 years ago

Ummmm…WHAT? I think he’s confused “feminism” with “the patriarchy.” This is exactly what feminists are fighting against.

@ ej

I think you just described about half of that poster. Probably more.

Aunt Edna
Aunt Edna
5 years ago

It’s impossible to take these idiots seriously in any way.

Spindrift
Spindrift
5 years ago

My feminist friend Katie can’t stop laughing. She says with all this straw she’ll be able to make the biggest straw hat in the world, and fill it with straw cats wearing tiny straw hats.

fromafar2013
5 years ago

“We want women to be the assumed caretakers of children, but require men to litigate in order to prove they are worthy of equal parenting.”

Oh my, yes. He’s super confused. Just, where do they get these ideas? Is it opposite day?

sunnysombrera
5 years ago

@M I could do with a good Black Forest Cake recipe actually. Can anyone provide one? My feminist friend Katie has a birthday coming up.

(Not sure I did that right).

scalyllama
5 years ago

“Maybe I just have low or unusual standards.”

And there it is. A fleeting moment of introspective insight!

Aaanndd…er, that’s…yes, I think that’s all we’re getting today, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for watching “Rare Moments of the Manosphere”!

lith
lith
5 years ago

That’s really hard to read. Is this the latest tactic, combining making it hard to read (harsh colour, small font, badly written etc.) with vast amounts of nonsense so noone will read the whole thing and then they can claim victory?
Reading the first ten or so I got the impression they were making a slowly changing point on a gradient, kind of morphing the point on each iteration so it was basically still the same point that’s very slightly but imperceptibly different.
I think they all basically say that feminists want all men to suffer and possibly die.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

Professor fate,
Yes, the Straw Feminist would date the Scarecrow. Especially when he becomes king. Because hypergamy. Unfortunately, the relationship will sour after she falsely accuses him of rape and he gets sent to jail for 30 years. Dorothy and Glinda will probably take her side because they’re probably evil feminists too.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

Are Katie references the new shut up, Woody? I would be down with that since Woody either flounced or got banned.

lith
lith
5 years ago

@sunnysombrera:

It is the bestest cake ever. I would like it for a wedding cake but apparently it can’t be done, and that makes me sad.

fromafar2013
5 years ago

Are Katie references the new shut up, Woody?

Not replacing, just in addition to. It’s from the most recent necro troll in the glossary if anyone is confused.

https://wehuntedthemammoth.com/wtf-is-a-mgtow-a-glossary/comment-page-32/#comment-723045

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
5 years ago

@weirwoodtreehugger:

A troll in the glossary section claimed to have been told evil evil things by our good feminist friend, Katie. So now feminist Katie is real.

@OP:

(column 2, row 1) We believe the words “bitch,” “cunt,” “slut,” and “whore” are misogynistic and oppressive, especially if used towards women, but words like “prick,” “dick,” and “asshole” are acceptable.

Well, ok, reasonable people could disagree on whether use of “prick” and “dick” are harmful or harmless (but not on whether they carry the same weight as the others), but “asshole?” Does this guy literally think women don’t poop?

lith
lith
5 years ago

“We want women to be able to wear whatever they want and without judgement, but heavily scrutinize a man’s choice of fashion” (Column 2, entry 9).

I’ve very definitely seen actual news articles on any given day about how some woman wore something or didn’t wear something or the same as someone else with incredibly judgmental tones. I have very definitely not seen large numbers of similar relating to men. In fact I’m struggling right now to remember having ever read criticism or even scrutiny of a man’s choice of fashion in the media.
So I’m imagining the internal monologue went like this, “That woman I annoyed with negging and then asked about my garb criticised my beat poet look with skull accessories which clearly anyone can see looks extremely cool – this more than makes up for the constant barrage of criticism women receive from the media and from random strangers on the street!”

Obviously the last sentence is artistic license as he would never have any awareness of the constant barrage or its affects.

lith
lith
5 years ago

Also, “If you want to be taken seriously as a feminist then practice what you preach”, which we’ve just been told is that long list of nonsense above. Idiot.

Retrobitch
Retrobitch
5 years ago

Many, many times I see things like this and my very first impression is, “This is satire…right?” But, alas, I am almost always stunned to discover that such manifestations of stupidity -such as the “informative meme” above- are actually created by real men who sincerely hold these paranoid and delusional ideas about women, and especially feminists. It reminds me how medieval minds once believed toads gave one warts; that black cats were devil’s imps and a mole on a woman may be a witches teat, and if she had consorted with The Devil could curdle cream with her presence. It surely smacks of the same kind of panicked logic born out of fear and ignorance that has caused scourge after scourge through the centuries on human society…on women, people of color, various religions, sexual orientations and the like. We’ve been coexisting on this planet together for thousands of years and yet every time we seem to be making headway at understanding the undeniable human connection between us all, and grasp it in unison, some group always shows up with a joy-buzzer in their handshake.

These MRA-types consistently seem to prove the theory of de-evolution; for just when you think society at large is growing more intelligent thus increasingly inclusive, these guys open their mouths and plunge us ideologically back into the Dark Ages when the Earth was still “flat”.

Spindrift
Spindrift
5 years ago

@lith ““We want women to be able to wear whatever they want and without judgement, but heavily scrutinize a man’s choice of fashion” (Column 2, entry 9).”

Could it be a reference to shirtgate?

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
5 years ago

This is not the most effective way to get your point across. Even if someone wanted to show you they weren’t “demanding bias, bigotry, discrimination, blah blah etc etc,” handing them a mountain of statements in tiny text for them to deny isn’t going to be very helpful.

Especially if the tone of your message is that the vast majority of feminists actually do agree with many of those statements. Especially especially if the feminist in question understands the twisted logic the statements come from.

idledillettante
5 years ago

Aw man. It’s like if someone asked Paul Elam what do feminists really believe, and then tried to fit everything he said on a poster. It’s really bad.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
5 years ago

(column 2, 3rd row from the bottom) We want to promote speeches addressing women’s issues, but protest speeches addressing men’s issues.

Depends on the content, doesn’t it? This is most likely referencing something like AVFM either with their convention or with some school speech. It’s not “men’s issues” people were protesting, it was AVFM.

I have a feeling pretty much all of the statements are like this. Pretend criticism of something was criticism of the most reasonable part rather than the unreasonable part.

yutolia
yutolia
5 years ago

Oh look! The MRAs are projecting again!

fromafar2013
5 years ago

@ Spindrift

Could it be a reference to shirtgate?

I can’t help but wonder what scenarios, events or conversations got twisted up in this guys mind and inspired each bullet point, but I think you may be right about that one.

“Women can’t show their boobs in public but I should be able to wear on national TV a shirt that shows women showing their boobs!”

ikanreed
ikanreed
5 years ago

This is the classic conspiracist “text is more credible if saved on .jpg” type thinking. Literally anyone could type out this kind of list, but there’s this attitude that it’s credible if someone took the time to put it on an image.

It’s weird. For no particular reason, I blame reddit.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
5 years ago

(column 4, row 3) We want any woman’s sexual choice to be free of consequence, but a man’s to be heavily questioned and scrutinized.

Uhh… the only time I’ve heard MRAs use the term “free of consequence” with regards to sex is when the topic is either a woman getting drunk and then raped, or when a woman wants to use birth control so she doesn’t have kids. I can’t imagine what the “man’s heavily scrutinized” bit is referring to.

davidknewton
davidknewton
5 years ago

Oh look! The MRAs are projecting again!

And their green cathode ray is broken!

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
5 years ago

The creator of this poster… he’s something else.

FallenAngelInaYasha 1 day ago
Awesome job.

I just see Feminism, especially radical feminists, has man hating people who will scream harassment at anything. But I feel enraged because it’s these radical feminists that drag the purpose of feminism through the dirt and over shadow people like Christina Hoff Sommers.

But one thing I can say is people like Anita and Brianna, they put Gail Dines and Shelly Luben to shame.

BJSparky Edited 1 day ago Professional Interface Designer
Thank you!

Knowing that there are good people within the feminist movement like Christina Hoff Sommers and my cousin, I don’t see feminism as man-hating, nor do I blame the movement. But I understand that it’s extremely hard not to when there are a whole bunch of psychos within the movement.

Yeah, as despicable as Gail Dines is for fabricating shit to fit her argument, she at least has credibility and a PhD behind her. Shelly Luben may be extremely biased, but she at least has first hand experience in porn. Anita and Brianna, on the other hand, are nothing but professional victims.

Of course he thinks Christina Hoff Sommers and a family member are one of the good feminists. Of course he does.

Spindrift
Spindrift
5 years ago

It looks like one of those massive copypastas they dump before running away when people try to explain why they’re wrong, only harder to read and with a little more colour. Think that’s it’s intended purpose, or is it just more preaching to the choir?

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
5 years ago

It’s got to be just preaching to the choir. The actual message is not “Feminists! read this to make sure you aren’t actually a bigot.” It’s “Feminists actually mostly believe these terrible things and are all a bunch of hypocrites.”

fromafar2013
5 years ago

Of course he thinks Christina Hoff Sommers and a family member are one of the good feminists. Of course he does.

Well, that at least explains where the ‘opposite day’ bullet points come from.

KSRay
KSRay
5 years ago

If I were bored enough and had the time, I could turn this into an infographic full of contradictions believed by MRAs.

“Tells women to grow a thicker skin against online harassment, devolves into spittle-flecked gibberish over ‘male tears’.”

“Says rape isn’t a big problem and rails against ‘Schroedinger’s Rapist’, tells woman to expect to get raped if she wears anything less than a burka.”

Etc. I’m sure there are enough MRA contradictions to make a graphic like the above, only without all the straw.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

That poster looks like army ants invading a Club Libby Lu. He seems to repeat himself a lot, probably because he needed extra quotes to pad out the block format.

We want objectification of women in any way to be seen as oppressive and harmful, regardless of whether it’s respectful, welcome, encouraged, or legal.

Ah yes, those welcome, respectful catcalls: where strangers compliment women on their IQ, but they ask permission first. How hypocritical of us to be against something that doesn’t exist!

Sarity
Sarity
5 years ago

“We want objectification of women in any way to be seen as oppressive and harmful, regardless if it may be respectful, welcome, encouraged, or legal.” (4th column, 2nd down)

I would love to know about these respectful forms of objectification.

Sarity
Sarity
5 years ago

Ninja’d and with a gap of one little minute. >_< You're a ninja of the highest order, Buttercup.

ej
ej
5 years ago

We believe learning how to understand and attract men is empowering and liberating, but sexist and oppressive if a man learns how to understand and attract women.

Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope.

I can’t quite put my finger on it, but there is something really, really disturbing about it being “empowering” to attract a man. Maybe it’s the fact it basically defines you based on your relationship to another person, rather than on your own merits. Or maybe it’s the fact that it paints attracting a man as some kind of accomplishment, a goal to be achieved. Whatever it is, it makes me feel like this:

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdy4mpnIpG1ro2d43.gif

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
5 years ago

@ej:

Don’t forget that their version of learning “how to understand and attract” women is PUA, ie learning how to ignore “no” and psychologically manipulate women, sometimes resorting to outright rape.

I wonder if he’s talking about “The Rules” here… I don’t think I know a single feminist who gives that drivel any credence. But hey, it’s written by women for women, so feminists must automatically endorse it!

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