Really, guys? Really?
How do you watch the Wizard of Oz and get the impression that Dorothy’s pals are stupid, heartless cowards? The whole point of the movie is that these three fellas didn’t need anyone to give them heart, brains or courage; they had those qualities already!
Indeed, at the end of the film, the Wizard (who isn’t actually a real wizard) can’t give them anything but tokens of what they’d asked from him — a diploma, a heart-shaped watch, a medal — but that’s all they really need, because all they were really lacking was faith in themselves.
I mean, what the hell, dudes? Have you even seen the movie?
In semi-related news, I now have an excuse to post this, so I will:
There was another Jordan Owen video a number of weeks back about some asshole the pair tried to interview, but ended up deciding not to use, and he started sending tons of messages and declaring war against them. It forced Jordan Owen, of gamergate, to use the descriptor “creepy.”
Heh.
Aurini’s typically measured and magnanimous response.
One or two of those adjectives might not be entirely accurate.
My god, this is going to be hilarious 🙂 Hopefully if they’re fighting each other, one of them might eventually realize they’ve both been completely terrible? Who knows.
I’m looking forward to how they’re going to excuse hoovering up all that crowdsourced money to make a non-existent film accusing someone else of failing to deliver.
*returns, dragging a huge bucketful of popcorn*
Did it start already, did I miss anything good? Did someone save me a spot on the couch and my fave pillow? Where’s the communal lap kitty?
@Wetherby:
Ah ha ha ha ha ha!
Aaaaaand videos!
Now I haven’t watched either of these, but here’s what I suspect.
Aurini: “Hey, you should check into this guy Roosh! He’s great at giving advice about women!”
Jordan: *watches* “What the fuck? This guy is frikken evil! I’m gonna go make videos about it.”
Aurini: “Wait, what? You’re just jealous that he gets laid so much! Don’t you dare criticize him!”
Jordan: “I have to, this guy is ridiculous! He wants to legalize rape on public property!”
Aurini: “If you criticize him, I’ll tell everyone you’re absconding with the money for the Sarkeesian Effect.”
Joradan: “… Lol bye.”
“Don’t give him money, he’s bad. Give me money instead!”
So hang on… both people think they’re the ones that are going to put the video together? Oh my god there’s going to be two versions. Oh my god this is going to be hilarious. Oh my god I need more popcorn for this.
I’m just impressed he managed to make his breakup video less than five hours long.
Given the number of ‘lifting’ advocates and IT/engineers in their ranks, I’m going to say that many of them actually have strength and at least a kind of smarts. However, it’s painfully clear that the whole lot of them have not a sliver of heart to share.
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From Aurini’s rebuttal:
He’s saying that Jordan is jealous… of Roosh’s ability… to relate to women.
That may easily be the lowest bar to clear in existence.
Is there going to be a custody battle over the couch and toy skulls?
I’m sure all the ggers who think Anita Sarkeesian has committed fraud by raising money to do videos and then making videos will give Owen and Aurini a similarly hard time, right? Right?
*crickets*
PussyPowerTantrum:
I had to look up “momosphere” since it was apparently preferred by your autocorrect over “manosphere”. It is:
1) Twitter term for mommy blogs
2) Momo Sphere, a brand of shift knobs
I guess I’m forced to be on team Jordan Owen since he objected to legalizing rape.
It really doesn’t take much to be the lesser of two evils in the manosphere, does it?
@weirwoodtreehugger:
No, it doesn’t. And it doesn’t take much to choose team Owen (if you really want to choose a team, anyway) because you’re basically choosing between:
“I had to cut ties with him because they tried to force me to do something I found immoral. I’m not going to get into the details, but just know that I will work to get this project done.”
and:
“He cut ties with me because he’s jealous at a rape advocate’s ability to get laid. He’s gonna steal all your money, so give it to me instead!”
…
Oh god… Anyone played the MYST games? It’s like choosing between Sirrus and Achenar (pick your game, 1 or 4). And it’s even more awesome of a comparison because Sirrus is a super-slimey egomaniac and Achenar is an unkempt hulking dude.
The comparisons are uncanny!
SLIGHT MYST PLOT SPOILERS BELOW, READ AT YOUR OWN RISK
In Myst 4, both do evil acts, but Achenar splits with Sirrus because Sirrus goes too far.
As I said, I haven’t seen the movie, but I get the feeling that the movie and the book series are pretty different in some respects? Like, if my memory serves me right (it’s only the first book that I re-read as an adult, so I’m not quite certain) Dorothy does go back to the land of Oz in the book series.
Also, it’s pretty clear in the book that a) Oz is real, and b) it’s not in an alternate dimension or something, the way Narnia is, it’s just that very few people find their way their since it’s surrounded by really really hot and inhospitable desert on all sides and it’s not that big a country (Dorothy, a child, can walk from the midpoint to the edge of the land in one week). So… it’s like, what, in the middle of Arizona somewhere? New Mexico? Can’t really see an author getting away with this today, what with Google Earth and all, but it was a different time in the year 1900…
Also, Kansas is portrayed as a terrible terrible place in the book, to the point where Dorothy seems a bit deluded for thinking that it has anything to recommend as a place to live. In the book, Kansas is all gray, because the winds and the weather suck the colour out of everything, and suck the joy out of people who live there. Dorothy’s step parents get a shock the first time they hear her laugh after adopting her, because they’ve forgotten what that sound is. And pretty much the only thing she has to laugh about is her dog (as a dog person, though, I’m all in favour of portraying dogs as little rays of sunshine in a terrible world).
I just did a post on the Owen//Aurini breakup! It’s very musical, as you’ll see.
Dorothy goes back to visit a few times but doesn’t want to abandon Henry and Em. In book 6, they lose their farm so Ozma offers all three of them a home in Oz. In the same book they thwart an invasion by the gnome king and Ozma decides to cloak the country so that it can’t be located by planes. Baum wanted to end the series so he told the readers Oz was cut off and he could no longer report goings on. It created some slight continuity errors when he resumed the series. But no, it’s not a figment of Dorothy’s imagination. The world is divided into fairy countries like Oz, and non fairy countries.
Long time lurker, just had to delurk to comment, as this Oglaf strip (NSFW) is quite appropriate.
I’ll check out the scented candle of misandry (Pale Moon/Firefox’s spell check doesn’t recognize that word… lol) later, thanks!
And shut up, Woody.
(Back to lurking.)
Oh my God, they’re Sirrus and Achenar! They really are!
Which is a perfect intro to one of my favourite XKCD comics ever, Children’s Fantasy.
“This’ll be a fun 70 years.”
I knew I had to play Myst again one of these days, but I don’t know how I can look Atrus in the eye again after I let Grima Wormtongue trick me out of the book he stole.
@Falconer:
Just this morning I found out that Saveedro was played by Grima Wormtongue. That was a cool experience. He also does the voice of Chucky in Child’s Play (and was the evil guy in the first one)!
I’m watching a friend play through Myst V (since I already played it a long time ago), and it’s fun thinking that Governor Ratcliffe is teleporting around giving out puzzle hints.
Christ, Saveedro was an amazing villain . You saw him off and on in little pre-recorded messages throughout the game, and no matter what was going on at the time he had your complete attention in the first couple words. Gah, so good!
I think Lea had good points, and maybe said something about Wendy and Peter Pan? But that gif of Amy Poehler shrugging is just so cutely mesmerizing I forgot it all.
Saveedro: Played by Grima, looks like Denethor.
One of my friends said Riven was okay, but the only thing that gave him trouble was, one of the puzzles is set up so you can open a door and hide the puzzle behind the door and not realize you have to close the door from the other side.
I could have yelled at him. Those are some of the hardest puzzle games I’ve ever played.
Seraph explained Wall St. pretty well, so I’ll explain Scarface:
It’s especially common in the U.S., especially among hip-hop/rap musicians, to make the main character – Tony Montana – to be some kind of heroic “self-made man”. The reality was that Brian DePalma was mocking the dog-eat-dog sense of entrepreneurship in the 80’s, not endorsing it, and Tony Montana is a completely miserable shithead who can never have enough.
Among his personality traits – along with an extremely short temper that leads to violence – are treachery (he betrays his first boss as a criminal and then many of his “business partners” in the cocaine game), incestuous feelings towards his younger sister (he tries to hook up with his former boss’s girlfriend to get over such, but ends up in the most loveless marriage imaginable), and just being a generally unpleasant person to be around. All his actions and behavior heavily imply this – yet many people seem to forget that entirely and concentrate on his mansion, fancy suits, expensive cars, or mowing down rival criminals with a heavy machine gun.
The point was that he could never be happy because, as a terrible person, he was incapable of feeling such. He thrived on pain and suffering, thus living and dying by the sword – but there was no glory in it.