Is it just me, or are Men’s Rights Activists (and PUAs and MGTOWers) just a little bit obsessed with this whole “cuckolding” thing? From a discussion in the Men’s Rights subreddit today:
![Demonspawn 6 points 8 hours ago but third-wave feminists are worse in my opinion. They RUIN everything feminism originally stood for Feminism was a movement that wanted men's rights while rejecting men's responsibilities. The only difference between then and now is that today it's harder to hide feminism's true intent as women have men's rights. permalink save report give gold reply [–][deleted] 2 points 7 hours ago* Not only do they reject responsibilities. They want them removed entirely. For example marriage today has simply become a way to find out there's been another man balls deep in your wife and several of your kids aren't yours, but you need to pay for it all. This is something feminists are working to have be the new way of life. They want every man cuckolded as it undermines the patriarchy and sets up a matriarchy where men are simply drones that toil away for their female masters. On the other hand a man being unfaithful is extremely irresponsible and morally abhorrent. Even if it's just having your cock sucked like Clinton. It's a scandal.](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/cuckoldmrreddit.png?ssl=1)
Dudes, if you’re this, er, intrigued by cuckolding, there’s like a whole genre of porn out there that should keep you busy for a while. I will not be providing you any links.
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H/T — r/againstmensrights
Men are dying, living on the streets, being raped, in abusive relationships, addicted to drugs and other substances and laughed at by apathetic people and these A-holes are more worried about us not dating them, sleeping with them or even thinking about us as people.
Srsly look at all this projection they spew. -_-
Spindrift
All hail the Matriarchy! Glory to our leaders with Beehive hairstyles!
http://www.guy-sports.com/fun_pictures/hair_beehive.jpg
contrapangloss
All hail the bees! All hail the matriarchal societies that exist!
http://assets.inhabitat.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2011/05/bee-pollinating-537×424.jpg
Actually, the worker bees are all female, while all the few male bees do are to impregnate the queen. And then they’re kicked out to freeze to death come winter.
I’ve always heard them classified as female, but shouldn’t the worker bees be considered a separate sex or sexless? Since only the queen reproduces?
If every man is cuckolded, who is doing the cuckolding? Are women just playing cards with their kids and shuffling them around for funsies?
What’s the purpose of cuckolding as a system anyway? Ok, I know child support is like… apparently drug money or the stock market or something that will make a person absurdly rich while in reality not even being enough to support a child, but there’s far more than money that’s required to raise a kid.
Plus, child support only applies to children… once the children grow up, even the most cornacopious of cash flows will dry up. The women in question will thus be middle-to-old aged, no work experience and no income, living off of whatever savings she hasn’t spent on the children. She won’t have her husband to depend on, because child-support payments don’t really apply to married couples still living together.
What’s the point of it all? These clowns spend so much time painting a dystopian future of beleaguered beta males toiling under the lash of the feminazi overmind that they’ve forgotten why the feminazi overmind would want to form in the first place. Joy in male suffering can only go so far!
Hive insects have long fascinated me, partially because of how their reproductive strategies seem to transcend the possibilities of natural selection. One thing I’ve read about some ants – when a male ant succeeds in depositing sperm on a nuptial flight, its genitals detach and the ant falls out of the sky, his one purpose in life fulfilled. But he will not suffer long, for something will assuredly eat him very soon. Meanwhile, the soon-to-be queen ant, if she survives herself, may live for years.
Ants is misandry!
I’m now imagining testicles deep inside a vagina and it’s really disturbing me.
I’m sorry.
I notice that the one dude thinks women are taking men’s rights. Because men get rights automatically, but women have to earn them by taking on vague responsibilities. Clearly he doesn’t think women should have “men’s rights”.
It’s all about the deep, deep, smothering insecurity that no one will love or appreciate them if they man wrong and they don’t think you can man right if you can’t be considered automatically superior to women. In fact, they need to own a woman and be able to completely disrespect women and anyone not properly “manly” in order to feel like “real men”.
They’re afraid of being cast aside for another man. So they make up reasons why it could never be that he’s insufferable. Clearly they’re prudish in the extreme about sex if they can’t are so afraid of sex.
These dudes: “Ew, her woo-woo touched pee-pee! Gross! Cooties!”
That’s not confidence. It’s definitely not sexy.
The misinformation the share about how to sex ladies right tells me that they aren’t exactly the world’s greatest lovers. No wonder they want to be able to force women to be sexually ignorant, submissive and trapped in a relationship with them. Why the hell else would she stay?
They are trying so hard, but to do what? What are they compensating for with the constant “Here is why I’m the specialist snowflake ever because I’m a proper man and everyone else has cooties” comments? Who are they trying to convince? I’ve never seen so many adults desperate for someone to give them a gold star.
It’s almost like they are clinging to the myth that their gender makes them special to compensate for them not being special in any other way. I guess if they cannot outshine other people or exert some sort of control over them, they at least want to be king of their own little castle. That seems to be why they dream of a world where straight marriage is an inescapable master/slave situation in which the man actually owns his wife and children and has the right to abandon them at any time.
That sounds like Sharia Law.
Most of these guys identify as atheists.
They’re often also Islamaphobes.
The mind, she boggles.
Tonight I will be serving you word salad. May I recommend the basil vinaigrette?
Sorry for the jumble. My brain trips over my fingers sometimes.
I am so tired of these guys ranting about “women wanting rights without responsibilities.”
@ Robert,
Actually, social insects are a fascinating case-study for evolution. All social insects have sex determination/reproductive system called haplodiploidy (wiki here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplodiploidy). Basically, most animals have two of each chromosomes (if you count the sex chromosomes as the same type) and pass one of each on to their children. Haplodiploid animals, however, determine sex by chromosome count–unfertilized eggs, with only one of each chromosome develop into males and fertilized eggs develop into females.
A male only has one possible set of genes to pass on to his daughters. Therefore, full bee and ant sisters share 75% of their genes–more than they would share with their offspring. So instead of having offspring, worker females support the production of sisters, some of whom may be reproductive. A sister who becomes a queen leaves more of your genes in their offspring than a daughter would.
Not all haplodiploid insects are social, however. the system is also useful for species, like some parasitic wasps, that inbreed consistently, because harmful recessives can’t hid in the male’s genes, since there are no normal copies to mask the effect.
Kirbywarp
“What’s the point of it all?”
It’s like they’re actually worried about women getting out of abusive relationships, seeking help and putting the abusers in jail.
Re: beehives, all the drones are female, so if feminists wanted to emulate real hive dynamics, this would consist of disposing of all but a few breeding males to mate with the handful of women whose only job is to gestate and birth more (female) children, and all the other women would be left to run society/raise the children/produce food, etc.
That’s not really a system that’s feasible, not least because human reproduction isn’t efficient enough to sustain population numbers like that.
Well, of course! Everyone knows that men never ever turn down sex for any reason, so if women are unscrupulous enough to offer their ladybits to any passing man, he will immediately leap upon her like a starving dog would jump at a steak, with no thought to the legal, moral, or health complications that may exist.
That’s why women need to be tightly controlled, because men are literally incapable of self-control. And also why men are supposed to be in charge of everything, because… reasons! /sarcasm
Cuckoos have to fool female as well as male birds so I imagine it can apply to both sexes, but yeah, AFAIK it’s not a thing for women. I mean, I’m a bi woman who has fantasies of sharing hubby with another woman, but I’m pretty sure that’s a threesome and not cuckoldry in the proper sense.
Here’s something closer to biological cuckoldry: The other day I was thinking about our plans to have children and found myself thinking, man, it would be so much easier if we had another wife to handle the childbearing and rearing.
Interestingly enough, it appears the creator of Wonder Woman, psychologist and feminist Dr. William Moulton Marston, was in such a triad with his legal wife, lawyer Elizabeth Holloway, and partner Olive Byrne. (In another twist, Olive was Margaret Sanger’s niece.) Their story is well-documented in articles like this one.Holloway worked while Byrne took care of their four children, two of them Holloway’s, two Byrne’s. Marston died in 1947, and Holloway and Byrne lived together until Byrne’s death in the 1980s.
Their only paradigm for human relationships is domination, so they assume that anyone who rejects that wants to dominate them.
“The opposite to patriarchy is not matriarchy but fraternity.” -Germaine Greer
Without bees we’d be fucking starving. Honeybee matriarchy literally keeps us alive.
They’re sterile females. “Honeybee workers are generally obligatory sterile in a bee colony headed by a queen, but the inhibition of ovary activation is lifted upon the absence of queen and larvae. Worker bees are then able to develop mature, viable eggs.”
Actually they’re great examples of kin selection, which is a part of natural selection theory. The human equivalent would be the “gay uncle” hypothesis of a genetic basis for homosexuality, i.e. a gene for homosexuality could propagate if it means some members of kin don’t breed but rather invest in kin who do. I see this with my straight single friends, who have invested a LOT of resources in their (breeding) siblings.
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Screw the matriarchy, it’s the gynocracy, hail the gynocracy 🙂
Ninja’d by wordsp1nner, who made a much better comment too!
I’m trying to put all the manosphere drivel I’ve seen recently into one misogynist fever dream. I’m looking for consistency in their visions of a femtopia.
If women have rights they are afraid women will merely use them as drones.
If women have rights they are afraid that women will easily take over (with the help of team mangina!) and enslave all men as they want to enslave all women.
There will be dommes everywhere having all the kinky-orgasmic-woman-on-top-sex they want while these “alpha men” toil away in scented candle factories. In this dystopia they fear they will be scooping our cat boxes while we’re away at orgies. (Evil, wicked, trixy feminists!)
Buuuuuut, they also claim womankind will miss being dominated, won’t be able to do anything at all without “real men” ( what with our inferiority and all).
While we are slutting it up without being punished we will also be cruelly denying sex to “Nice Guys” and “incels” without being punished and that will be the worst thing ever. Presumably we’ll still be making up rapes in order to imprison men and stealing liquid gold for reasons I’m still not clear on.
There is only one thing that is consistent in their rants.
They are terrified of women.
…and black men. When they say “all men” are being cuckolded, they mean all straight white men. There’s almost always some racism involved in their misogyny. Horror of horrors, a woman might cheat on them or leave them for *gasp!* a black man! That’s who the mysterious other cuckolding them is. When they say women are ruining humanity by not sleeping with the most evolved and deserving men, they mean white men. Scratch the surface and it’s always there.
That is a popular kind of cuckhold porn, btw. White dudes being “cuckolded” by *insert racist crap here* black men.
Make of that what you will.
I see that the contents of the cite attribute of the blockquote tag doesn’t display, despite its use being encouraged in the instructions below the comment box (at least in the mobile version). I now see why everyone uses @ instead. #newbiemistakes
@kirbywarp
Who’s doing the cuckholding?
I’m pretty sure David’s pointed out before that it’s all pretty classicist and racist.
You know, the whole “beta bux, alpha fux,” thing?
A women finds a “nice guy” (mra terper) and marries him to steal his fortune in bitcoins or whatever, and meanwhile sleeps with low-class, but “exciting men that make their “ginas-tingle” so she can create “thug-spawn” (I really don’t think anyone should have to spell out the implications of the phrasing) for the beta to unwittingly raise.
They are the worst type of scum, the privileged imagining oppression to justify holding on to privilege.
Back to the biology of bees, etc: the actual odd part about eusociality is not that the bees help raise their relatives–that is very common–it is that they completely and usually permanently suppress their own reproduction to do it, and in their sheer numbers.
Many animals take care of siblings for a year or so, including wolves, and female lions and elephants, among others, stay with their female relatives possibly for life and help to raise siblings and nieces/nephews and possibly grandchildren.
The fact that I’m ace leaves me entirely disinterested in cuckolding anyone. Unless me cuddling my friend’s kitten cuckolds my cat. I’m sure the cat will love to tell the MRA types all about it, as soon as they can find a translator.
Bees! I never thought yesterday that I’d be linking this marvelous idea on Mammoth.
The beekeeper’s dream.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-23/beekeepers-devise-tap-to-collect-honey-without-disturbing-hive/6222728
They hit their funding target in less than a minute, $70000 and they’re now over $1000000.
Look at those men, putting all that effort into maintaining haughty females. And for what? A little honey? /sarc
In seriousness, the little girl is adorable, and the video makes me want to keep bees. I doubt my apartment would be okay with that, though.
I’d rather remain unmarried.
Here you can learn about having the perfect garden for bees
http://bumblebeeconservation.org/get-involved/gardening-for-bees
@PussyPowerTantrum: have you read The Secret History of Wonder Woman by Jill Lepore? It’s quite interesting. Besides his unorthodox home life, Marston was also the inventor of the lie detector (which is why Wonder Woman wields a Lasso of Truth) and a serious bondage enthusiast (which is why she has the somewhat kinky weakness of losing her powers if a man binds her wrists together–Olive Byrne, Sanger’s niece and his lover, wore similar cuffs).
Threesome or partner-swapping fantasies seem to be fairly common among both genders, but cuckolding fantasies–fantasizing about your partner having sex with someone else behind your back–is something I’ve only ever heard of from (straight) men. It’s a pretty big subgenre of porn and I have heard of men straight up pleading with their wives to have sex with other men.
And of course, for all MRAs’ fear of being cuckolded (which, hell, could mean a woman having had sex with other people *before* the relationship), they’ll throw just as big a hissy fit if their wives or girlfriends expected them not to cheat on them.