A couple of days ago, A Voice for Men posted the first half of what will evidently be a nine-zillion-word interview with none other than Roosh Valizadeh — you know, the far-right racist shithead who just semi-seriously proposed legalizing rape as a way, he says, to end it. Oh, and he also once admitted to raping a woman.
While AVFM is pretty hateful itself, some MRAs were a bit nonplussed to see a post on the most influential Men’s Rights site on the internet describing Roosh, who’s also repeatedly attacked the Men’s Rights movement, as “a layered, tempered and earnest guy, who truly wants to help other men in their most basic and primal of life goals; a deep thinker, a powerful communicator … I got nothing but respect for the guy.”
Over on the Men’s Rights subreddit, a couple of commenters raked AVFM and its Maximum Leader over the coals for opening his site up to a dude whose ideology is hard to distinguish from actual fascism. Lauzon, a feminism-hating subreddit regular, wrote:
Even as MRA’s take pains explaining to critics that the Men’s Rights Movement has nothing to do with Pick Up Artists, A Voice for Men has just published a fawning interview with Roosh V. …
For those unawares, Roosh is a far (FAR) right wing ideologue who considers gays “deviants,” rejects female suffrage, publishes articles advocating a return to monarchy, and is more or less openly misogynist.
I think it’s safe to say that the incompetent leadership at AVFM has just screwed the pooch. I defended Elam when he became the target of a smear campaign based on his personal life, but this is beyond the pale.
In a followup comment, he added:
I certainly won’t be donating to them again.
Well, that got Elam’s attention! Never one to take a threat to the flow of donations to him lightly, Elam posted a response on AVFM today.
Ignoring Roosh’s racism, homophobia, transphobia and open misogyny, Elam assured his readers that he, Paul Elam, knows how to make the ladies tingle without any of that PUA bullshit.
No, really.
As Elam tells it, his life became what Roosh might call a “Poosy Paradise” after he stopped being a “nice guy” to women.
The minute I figured out that my problem was not having a set of personal values strongly enough held that no woman could make me budge from them was the same minute I found a path to attract women, cull out the trash without drama or expense and to maintain a relationship with no pussy passes or princess bullshit. It is not that I never have to deal with that stuff from time to time, but I never, ever let it slide. My dick has not been the worse for it.
That’s right, folks: we’re getting an update live and direct from the ultimate authority on all things heterosexual: Paul Elam’s dick.
When I got to the point that I could look at woman in the eye and tell her I was not interested in being anyone’s knight in shining armor and that dinner with me meant finding your purse when the check came — and not give a single fuck about the women who could not handle it — I cleared the way for one who could.
Yep. Paul Elam would like the world to know that he has actually done the sex with a lady. And possibly even seen her naked.
This isn’t the first time Elam has celebrated his amazing ability to have sex with women without paying for dinner (or much of anything, apparently).
In a debate, of sorts, with a PUA going by the name Frost several years ago, Elam boasted that his non-dinner-buying approach to the ladies had “yielded a glut of butt” for him.
No, that’s a real quote. As is this
[D]oing what I did resulted in a whole slew of women lining up for summa dis. It was as easy as not giving a shit. I didn’t need lines or come on’s or a fucking book of tactics. All I needed to do was choose one if I liked her.
I’m apologize if any of you were reading this over breakfast.
But rest assured: Paul Elam’s penis is doing a-ok!
Not all MRAs say racist and homophobic things, but MRAs who aren’t racist and homophobic do nothing to purge those who are from their movement. Contrast that with feminists who are constantly discussing how the movement can be more intersectional. The community here would never allow racist or homophobic remarks to go unchallenged.
christopher allman | February 19, 2015 at 9:32 am
Why do you MRAs always start squawking “CONTEXT” whenever we mention Paulie has said a thing? Like reading more of Paulie’s written word is suddenly going to make us see things your way? Nah, we still think he’s terrible.
That’s an entire paragraph David quoted from Paulie, and I think it makes sense. “No woman is going to make me do anything that I don’t want to do, and that makes me sexy!” No, Paulie, it makes you an ass. You may believe that women think you’re more attractive now than ever now that you’ve dedicated yourself to being a stubborn ass whose primary concern is getting your dick wet without doing any of the relationship stuff, but nah.
And if you read what David wrote in it’s entirety instead of starting to shit yourself in the comments over “CONTEXT”, you’d see that David has mentioned that, hence his (and thus our) confusion.
I saw no “criticism” here, only David pointing out that your fellow MRAs are the ones criticizing Elam. Go whine at them.
No one said he did. All we said is that technically, they’re on the same side. Different teams who hate each other, but same side. Toe-may-toe, toe-mah-toe.
christopher allman | February 19, 2015 at 9:36 am
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHH *deep breath* AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA
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Pull the other one, bruh, it’s got bells on it. Most of your precious AVfM hates anyone who isn’t a straight cis-gendered white dude, and even then they can’t be a rape victim/survivor and they can’t remotely agree with feminism, otherwise they’re “manginas”.
And even if you didn’t hate women and “gays” (Really? We’re “the gays” to you? You’re gross.), you sure as hell don’t do anything to make their lives any easier.
And now, poetry with Paradoxical!
But the Commenter, sitting lonely on his computer chair, spoke only
That one word, as if his soul in that one word he did outpour.
Nothing farther then he uttered—not a feather then he rustled—
Till I scarcely more than muttered “Paul Elam has said some terrible things—
He’s violent and cruel to many of us, and will be vile again.”
Then the Commenter squawked “CONTEXT.”
christopher allman | February 19, 2015 at 9:59 am
“Unless you’re a FEMINIST MANGINA. Or a FEMINIST HARPY OUT TO SPERMJACK ME AND STEAL MAH MONEY.”
The day AVfM actually listens to what we have to say here is the day David stops being a business of ferrets in a David suit and actually turns out to be a human. It’ll also be the day I stop loving cats. And the day I become a Catholic Nun.
What I’m getting at is, it’s pretty damn unlikely.
AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAH.
No.
You know what AVfM has done to David for daring to criticize them during his time running this blog? They’ve threatened to doxx him (unsuccessfully), they’ve bought him fake twitter followers, they’ve called him all sorts of nasty names. And that’s just what they’ve done to David.
Have you seen what they do to women who dare disagree with them? Have you seen the harassment campaign where Elam’s offering a bounty for a picture of a woman who dared report Sage Gerard for posing as a janitor, sneaking into a woman’s bathroom, and plastering AVfM stickers all over the walls? If nothing else, that’s trespassing and destruction of property.
Then there’s JudgyBitch, who recently got banned from twitter for straight up admitted libel against a feminist they didn’t like. And Elam stands behind this shit. AVfM stands behind this shit.
This isn’t “integrity”. That’s “agree with me or you’re a piece of shit mangina/feminist harpy and we’ll harass the hell out of you!”
They’re not open to opposing ideas, they just want to know who disagrees with their delicate worldview so they can root them out and make their lives hell.
No one currrrr.
Though, admittedly, I feel sorry for any female-presenting person who has to sit in a room with Roosh.
Lol, everyone should read the feminist interview Allmen linked to. It’s pretty great in light of the recent Roosh post here.
Here’s a taste:
God forbid women burp and curse.
But yeah, this pretty well illuminates Roosh’s intention behind the “legal rape” thing he proposed, beyond just wanting rape to be legal. He is literally upset that women have incomes and don’t have to depend on a man for everything, so women can be independent agents and not have to compete for his dollars by conforming to his personal standards, or in other words “no longer have to try.”
Thank you Roosh for giving us a “How to Avoid Douchebags Like Me” checklist. All we wimmens have to do is act like men!
‘Scuse me, I need to go plan some more tattoos (there’s an awesome tattoo charity drive happening on Saturday here! All of the proceeds go towards the children’s hospital!), shave half my head, get some more earrings and piercings, and swear some fucking more IN A REALLY LOUD VOICE. Oh, and be happily fat and dress how I fucking want to.
LOL OMG roosh “women are no longer trying to impress men because women no longer have to try to impress men” DUDE YOU ARE NAILING THIS. this is totally accurate. It’s funny, it’s like when your life and livelihood are yours to decide you actually start to feel like you can choose your own happiness.
Also, isn’t Roosh mooching off of his sister? OH THE IRONY.
And here’s Roosh talking about how he thinks a woman who has been through his “seduction” would think about the experience. Previously he had stated that she would notice his energy go way down once the two are actually in bed, because he already did the “hard part.”
You aren’t going to get Roosh talking like this in the interview with AVFM, that’s for sure.
ShorterRoosh: I literally don’t want to have to do try at all. But women should try for me because they should depend on me and my MONAY!
And here, if you have the stomach for it, is why Roosh believes his orgasm is the most important thing in the world.
I find it interesting that Roosh, whose main goal seems to be sleeping with as many women as possible, is so intent that women find husbands. If they are only concerned with finding and keeping a husband, they aren’t going to sleep with you unless you are that husband.
The logic, it burns!
http://www.mibba.com/Blogs/Read/267026/Creating-Female-Sperm-Made-From-Bone-Marrow/
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/17937813/ns/health-pregnancy/t/will-science-render-men-unnecessary/#.VOY6hy67wWY
Whelp, science says that now you’re not.
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I guess Roosh doesn’t know that it’s possible to impregnate a woman without orgasming. That’s why the pull out method doesn’t work!
Aw hell, I’ve already copy-pasted over most of the interview, what’s one more?
Last one, more of Roosh’s sexual preferences! Hold your nose and dive in!
This is a man explaining women to a woman. This is a man who complains that women are too coddled and don’t have to think about anything because big-daddy government decides everything for them. That man isn’t upset because he believes women are infantilzed, he’s upset that he doesn’t get to do the infantilizing.
Did anyone else feel like this while reading Roosh’s interview?
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Re: female orgasm
As yes, nature has deemed the female orgasm soo unimportant that it maintains the clitoris, which has literally no other use other than giving women sexual pleasure. Its almost like making sex enjoyable for women ups the chances that a guy will have repeated sex with a single woman, which ups the chances that he’ll reproduce with her, and science!
Also, someone should tell Roosh that prostate milking is a thing. No male orgasm, or male pleasure, is necessary.
Ok, just kidding on the last one. I’m reading through the full interview now. Here’s Roosh, a 35-year-old man, talking about Social Justice folks.
I loathe this notion that kids are unintelligent, inexperienced kids and are thus not worthy of finding causes that matter to them. They’re treated like they don’t know what they want in life when it comes to their sexuality or their gender, but we expect them to know how to file their taxes, apply to college, and plan out the rest of their lives at the age of 18, before we even let them handle alcohol.
“They’re just kids!” is the most bullshit argument I’ve ever fucking heard. You don’t need to be an adult to experience injustice. Trayvon Martin was a teenager when he was shot to death, Michael Brown was a teenager when he was shot to death. Teenaged girls are experiencing sexism all the time in their schools every fucking day by being told the way they dress is distracting the boys, so their education needs to be interrupted because the boys are too important to be taught that maybe they should pay attention in class instead of going “OOOOOH! Bare skin~!”.
No one would know how to deal with it or how to fight it if it wasn’t for what they read on the internet. Hell, we might not even know what it was we were angry about! If it wasn’t for social media, we would have to rely on biased news groups to get all of our information, and I’ll be damned if they’d actually report the truth or touch subjects like sexism in schools or rape statistics.
And if Roosh wants people to stop being angry at men, maybe he needs to consider that there’s a reason WHY people are angry in the first damn place.
Yup. “You’re just a kid, you don’t understand the way the world works like I do” is far too often just a lazy deflection so an adult doesn’t have to justify their bigotry. I got that one when my racist uncle was explaining why it was perfectly ok for him to never hire any black people in his company, and I was 24 at the time.
BTW, I feel like I’m going to keep spamming excerpts of this interview until people tell me to shut up, so please tell me if I should stop.
Guess who Roosh’s role model was as a kid? I’ll give you one hint: he feels like celebrities like musicians or artists don’t work as role models.
Roosh is so en-mired in gender roles that he can’t even comprehend the idea that a role-model for a boy could model anything besides bulging muscles and masculinity.
Also, Roosh doesn’t like gay people jamming things down his throat.
Yet another thing you’ll never find Roosh talking about in an interview with AVFM.
What was that survey that found that MRAs are overwhelmingly white (98%) and between the ages of 17 and 20? Hmmm.
Also, the female orgasm does actually have a physiological role in conception (to propel sperm up into the uterus and closer to the fallopian tubes).
Even if it didn’t have a physiological role, it’s not like Roosh is trying to impregnate women with all his orgasms. He’s doing it for his pleasure, yet for some reason he’s decided that that same justification isn’t enough for the women he sleeps with.
It really just boils down to “I do whatever I want, and if you’re a good girl you’ll help me do so. Any benefit you get out of this arrangement will be incidental.” The biological crap is just his attempt to pretend science and logic are on his side.
If Paulie had any personal integrity, which he doesn’t, he’d still be stoned and drunk off his ass. Instead, he’s running around like a glassy-eyed freak, pretending to be hunky-dory when anyone with a working creepdar can see he’s a dry drunk at best. Meanwhile, he’s already scared off three women and working on doing the same to a fourth. Desirable women — hell, women in general — see him coming and quickly head the other way. Because that much mean and ugly is NOT a desirable man.
Uh, we already knew that WITHOUT having to read the latest drivel over there. We know they’re feuding over who’s got the biggest nutsack. It’s like watching two drunks squabble over an empty bottle, frankly.
That’s rich, coming from someone whose middle name might as well be Disingenuous. You’re the same dude who came on here claiming to be a socialist who was turned off feminism by evil, nasty women. Do you think we haven’t read every dumb comment you’ve made here, or that we have no memory of your own blatant bullshit?
I sincerely can’t stand people who refer to the queer community as “gays”. It really grinds on me because “gay” means male attracted to male (though it has been used for female attracted to female), and it’s just so exclusive.
I mean, I get ignored a lot as it is when it comes to my sexuality, so it really irritates me more when people start excluding even more people with careless word usage.
As for Roosh, it’s like the fact that “the gays” exist where he can see them is “jamming it down his throat”.
*slams head on desk and reminds self that she took a vow of no magical curses*
And yet, even with these low, degenerate standards you speak of, these same women are still finding love, getting married, even having sex…with men who are not you. They’re getting pregnant with sperm that is not yours. And that burns you, doesn’t it, Rooshie? They’re still out there, enjoying life and being good and productive at it, not depending on an unwashed scuzzball who can’t even wipe his own ass but still somehow expects the laydeez to all look like airline stewardesses from the 1950s. How terrible!
Which is every damn day. And that’s why your dick is dry, Roosh. Like I said, you can’t even be arsed to WIPE your damn arse. Who’d want to sleep with that, especially since there’s nothing in it for her?
And no, we don’t view guys who are good in bed as just dildoes. We have DILDOES for that. If a guy is good in bed and fun to be with as well, we view him as a cool dude who’s great in the sack. Damn right we’re gonna look forward to seeing more of him, as much of him as we can! Because if he’s just plain cool to be with, we’re gonna want to be with him. And he’s gonna see a helluva lot more action from us than you are.
And if that burns you, TOO FUCKING BAD. Make an effort, or get nothing. Them’s yer options.
Oh, I doubt that very much. If there’s not even the slightest chance of a teeny-weeny minigasm, what’s the earthly point in me having sex? I’m not going to want it, and I won’t bother trying to have it. If I wouldn’t even jill off because I knew it wasn’t going to be worth the effort, what makes this colossal doofus think I’m going to go to the effort to please a man, while expecting and getting nothing to show for it myself?
No, Roosh, it’s only YOU. Virgins have gotten pregnant from just a tiny drop of pre-cum near their vaginas. That’s right, no penetration, and no male orgasm necessary. Which is why I strongly advise anyone against even trying coitus interruptus. Plenty of those who tried it are now called parents. Angry, bitter, sexually and ideologically frustrated parents.
The human race will get along just fine even if you never get your rocks off again, regardless.
Um, actually, NO. A woman who can be assertive, and hold up her end of the conversation and the decision-making process, is not domineering, she’s an EQUAL. And there are plenty of men who are certainly not submissive, who quite appreciate assertiveness in a woman. Because “leading” all the time is damned exhausting, as you no doubt would have found out if you’d even bothered to put in an effort. And you’ve already tipped your hand as a lazy slob, so…
I suspect the real reason Roosh never asks a woman what she wants is that he can’t handle the truth: “What do I want to do right now? Nothing with YOU, that’s for sure! HAhahahahahah!”
And yet, there you are, trying to have sex with those “kids”. How fucking hypocritical is that? Especially in a man of your age?
And yes, a college grad IS qualified to talk about the problems facing cultures. Especially if they graduated in sociology, say. Or anthropology.
They’re a damn sight more qualified, in any event, than Roosh, whose expertise is literally in fuck-all.
And yet, they actually DO know more than you. They’ve actually LEARNED things while at college, which is what colleges are fucking FOR. And I bet they have more REAL experience, too.
I think what Roosh is really trying to say here is, “Why are these hot chicks dating these cute young guys who respect them and will actually bother to care what they think and feel? Why not me, me, ME???”
The ironies here are just so thick and heavy. Roosh, who DREAMS of fucking 16- and 17-year-olds, is mad as hell that girls that age are already so smart, so wise to him and his ass-pulled crap. And putting it out on the Internet for others to see and learn from, too. It makes his “job” so hard! What is his “job”? “Having sex”! And writing shitty books on how to do it (or NOT do it, rather). And selling those shitty books to other shitty dudes whom girls really do have an uphill battle learning to avoid, not to be “virtuous” or anything old-fashioned like that, but just so as not to be fucking MOLESTED. Which they would be if they were outside playing with a hula hoop, and Roosh’s sorry ass just happened to be wandering by, looking for chicks to pick up.
No, Roosh, they’re not teaching each other to hate men, they’re teaching each other to be safe from ones like you, who obviously mean them no good. And if you’re getting steamed about it, great. It means they’re SUCCEEDING.
And yet, here’s Roosh, talking of how he should take up the guitar to get chicks. Guess he’s not a role model for young men on how to live. Or a celebrity…hee, hee, hee.
This from a self-admitted lazy-ass slob who earlier admitted that he doesn’t want to work at pleasing women, they should just come flocking to please HIM.
Arnie’s a douchebag, by the way.
O RLY? That’s funny, because my best friend (whom I’ve had since COLLEGE!) is gay, as are many of my other friends. Some of them go to clubs; most are already settled down with lovely same-sex partners, raising cats and dogs and even kids. They don’t make an effort to hide who they are. And yet, oddly enough, I’m still straight as a stick. Nothing got “forced” on me, and nothing about me has changed, except that I now know to love and value queer folks. They made me into nothing…except a much, MUCH better person.
Boo hoo, changing is so hard! Especially for Roosh, who needs his ass kicked just to get him to change his underwear.
You’re not normal, Roosh.
No, it’s not. YOU, Roosh, are the problem. You are an anachronism, and we are not going back in time just to accommodate you. You are a throwback. You are not normal.
Being gay is less common, but commonness ≠ normality. Redheads are less common than gay people (just one or two out of a hundred, as opposed to ten gays), and yet we redheads are still normal.