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Pickup guru Roosh V: End rape by making it legal

Roosh V: End rape by legalizing it
Roosh V: End rape by legalizing it

“Game” guru Roosh Valizadeh is tired of hearing that “men can stop rape.”

As far as he’s concerned, the problem isn’t men — who already know that rape is bad. No, it’s women.

Looking back on his own life, he wrote in a blog post yesterday (archived here),

I saw women wholly unconcerned with their own safety and the character of men they developed intimate relationships with. I saw women who voluntarily numbed themselves with alcohol and other drugs in social settings before letting the direction of the night’s wind determine who they would follow into a private room. I saw women who, once feeling awkward, sad, or guilty for a sexual encounter they didn’t fully remember, call upon an authority figure to resolve the problem by locking up her previous night’s lover in prison or ejecting him from school.

Evidently, in Roosh”s view, women are at fault when they enter a bedroom with the wrong man, but men aren’t at fault for being this wrong man. It’s a convenient argument for Roosh, who by all accounts including his own is one of these wrong men. Indeed, in his e-book Bang Iceland he admitted, rather nonchalantly, that he once raped a woman who was too drunk to consent.  As he described the events of that evening:

While walking to my place, I realized how drunk she was. In America, having sex with her would have been rape, since she legally couldn’t give her consent. It didn’t help matters that I was relatively sober, but I can’t say I cared or even hesitated. I won’t rationalize my actions, but having sex is what I do.

Now back to the rapist’s proposal to end rape:

By attempting to teach men not to rape, what we have actually done is teach women not to care about being raped, not to protect themselves from easily preventable acts, and not to take responsibility for their actions. At the same time, we don’t hesitate to blame men for bad things that happen to them (if right now you walked into a dangerous ghetto and got robbed, you would be called an idiot and no one would say “teach ghetto kids not to steal”).

I’m pretty sure that we already do teach “ghetto kids” — and non-“ghetto” kids — not to steal. And we put adults in prison for it.

It was obvious to me that the advice of our esteemed establishment writers and critics wasn’t stopping the problem, and since rape was already on the law books with severe penalties, additional laws or flyers posted on dormitory doors won’t stop this rape culture either.

Well, it didn’t stop Roosh. But it does stop others. While still horrifyingly common, rape rates have dropped considerably over the past several decades, helped by laws like VAWA and the sort of rape awareness campaigns that MRAs and other misogynists have always railed against.

But never mind, because Roosh has figured out what he thinks is a much better solution:

make rape legal if done on private property. I propose that we make the violent taking of a woman not punishable by law when done off public grounds.

What!?

While Roosh thinks that “those seedy and deranged men who randomly select their rape victims on alleys and jogging trails” should still be jailed, if only to keep them off the street, he argues that “on private property, any and all rape that happens should be completely legal.”So how would this, er, solution end rape?

If rape becomes legal under my proposal, a girl will protect her body in the same manner that she protects her purse and smartphone.

Apparently in Roosh’s imaginary world, women are more concerned about the well-being of their iPhones than their own bodily integrity.

If rape becomes legal, a girl will not enter an impaired state of mind where she can’t resist being dragged off to a bedroom with a man who she is unsure of—she’ll scream, yell, or kick at his attempt while bystanders are still around. If rape becomes legal, she will never be unchaperoned with a man she doesn’t want to sleep with.

I was going to ask “what if her ‘chaperone’ decides to rape her,” but there’s no point in trying to address any of Roosh’s argument here logically.

After several months of advertising this law throughout the land, rape would be virtually eliminated on the first day it is applied.

Uh, how?

Without daddy government to protect her, a girl would absolutely not enter a private room with a man she doesn’t know or trust unless she is absolutely sure she is ready to sleep with him. Consent is now achieved when she passes underneath the room’s door frame, because she knows that that man can legally do anything he wants to her when it comes to sex.

Roosh seems to think that rape only happens when drunk women invite strangers wearing “I HEART Raping Women” t-shirts into their apartments. In fact, as RAINN points out, only about a quarter of all rapists are strangers. Roughly 40% are friends or acquaintances; another 30% are in a relationship with the victim, and 7% are family members. In other words, most rapes are committed by people that the victim knows and trusts.

Bad encounters are sure to occur, but these can be learning experiences for the poorly trained woman so she can better identify in the future the type of good man who will treat her like the delicate flower that she believes she is. After only one such sour experience, she will actually want to get fully acquainted with a man for longer than two hours—perhaps even demanding to meet his parents—instead of letting a beer chug prevent her from making the correct decisions to protect her body.

I don’t even know what to say to this. It’s not just that Roosh seems almost inhuman in his utter lack of empathy. It’s that the women he has the most contempt for are the very women he targets as a “pickup artist,” women at bars who are open to the possibility of casual sex.

Because women will never enter a man’s apartment without accepting that sex will happen, he can escort her to his bedroom and romantically consummate a relationship after it was certain he proved himself to be a good and decent man the woman fully trusted.

Does Roosh actually think he comes even remotely close to being a good man who is worthy of any woman’s trust?

It turns out that we don’t need more laws, policies, and university propaganda that treat every man like a criminal and every woman like a mild retardate—we need more common sense that can only come from making rape legal.

Yes, dear reader, you did just read a sentence in which the idea of making rape legal is described as “common sense.”

Such a change will provide a mature jolt to American women who have been babied for too long, who are protected and coddled as if they have no agency or intellect of their own. If a woman is indeed a child then maybe we really need to keep promoting “rape culture” as a way to keep them safe, but if they are actual adults, which is often claimed, then we can start treating them like adults by allowing them to take responsibility for the things that happen to them which are easily preventable with barely a strain of cognitive thought, awareness, and self control.

Huh. Earlier, Roosh compared rape to property theft. If the two are analogous, why isn’t Roosh advocating that we get rid of the laws that make theft illegal. By Roosh’s logic, don’t laws against theft “coddle” property owners and deny them “agency and intellect?”

Let’s make rape legal. Less women will be raped because they won’t voluntarily drug themselves with booze and follow a strange man into a bedroom, and less men will be unfairly jailed for what was anything but a maniacal alley rape. Until then, this devastating rape culture will continue, and women who we treat as children will continue to act like children.

Roosh seems a little confused as to who is acting like a child here.

So is Roosh being facetious here? Is this just a Swiftian “Modest Proposal?”

Certainly, Roosh is being deliberately provocative — no doubt hoping to generate as many pageviews as possible from whatever controversy ensues.

And I’m fairly certain that he is not altogether serious about his proposal, which would effectively mean that no woman would ever go home with him or any of his readers ever again.

But I don’t see a Swiftian satire here.  Roosh’s “argument” here, such as it is, repeats “arguments” he’s made in earnest many times before. He may be taking these arguments to their logical extreme, but he doesn’t seem to be doing so in an attempt to refute them. He clearly doesn’t give a shit about actually preventing rape. His absurdist “proposal” seems mostly to be an excuse to express his contempt for feminists and his hatred of women in general.

Roosh’s fans, for the most part, don’t seem to see the post as satire. Some echo his contemptuous attacks on women.

atlantaOthers second his Men’s Rightsy attack on feminism as something that “infantalizes” women.

shangiA few bring up the name of Jonathan Swift.  LoftBoy thinks Roosh’s proposal is “rediculous” enough to be satire, but thinks it just might work.

loftBut the smartest take on the satire question comes from a commenter who is no fan of Roosh.

rabzee

 

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sunnysombrera
sunnysombrera
9 years ago

Such a change will provide a mature jolt to American women who have been babied for too long, who are protected and coddled as if they have no agency or intellect of their own.

Says the man who made a career out of ignoring women’s agency, now just kvetches about them putting their foot down, and constantly tells his readers that women have no intellect in the first place.

Also, babied and coddled? Tell that to a rape survivor trying to get justice, Roosh. Or preferably fuck off back to the sewer you crawled out of (the hygiene standards match your own).

dhag85
dhag85
9 years ago

It’s difficult to see how women would be less “babied and coddled” if they were required to keep a male “chaperone” at all times.

ssaly88
9 years ago

I need a manual on how to even.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qjEYxlRV3hE/VD-gikAWX0I/AAAAAAAA_So/_N5yCijYTTo/s1600/how-to-even-for-dummies.jpg

For serious, guys, I just want to vomit. I want to vomit and keep vomiting and then cry and then vomit until I hack up my own stomach. I. CAN’T. EVEN.

The only thing I can think of to say, which I’m sure someone else has already mentioned, is imagine if we were suggesting what Roosh is suggesting for women, except for MEN. I mean, apparently, according to Roosh’s philosophy here, every one of them is a potential rapist. So, what if we suggested to them to stay at home and never go out and if they did go out they had to have trusted chaperone to stop them from committing horrible acts of torture on others? Turn those suggestions around, and I can guarantee that every fuckwad that thinks these restrictions being put on WOMEN is a good idea would lose their shit.

And yet, they can’t understand why women would get mad at someone suggesting that they just never go out and have fun and have LIVES. It doesn’t occur to them that maybe drinking alcohol and going to clubs and hanging with friends outside the home is appealing to US in the same way it’s appealing to them.

bodycrimes
9 years ago

Roosh reveals all in his latest post! He can’t get laid fast enough. Apparently he went out to a bar and spent a WHOLE 30 MINUTES on a girl who decided not to fuck him! And now he’s complaining that flaky girls are a waste of his productivity.

See, it’s all about the four-hour work week. If he can just rape who he wants, it cuts down the small chat and he can get on and do the really important things in his life. Like… eh, what does he do, again?

Myriad
Myriad
9 years ago

Just when you thought Doosh couldn’t dig any deeper in the philisophical shit pile, he goes and does it. He really has outed himself as an unmitigated asshole. I am so done reading about this waste of a meat suit I just cannot even either.

@ssaly88-thank you for posting that manual. I’m off to do some reading now. 🙂

Phil S
Phil S
9 years ago

Sure, but only if you can rape men too. Fair is fair, right?

yamamanama
yamamanama
9 years ago

Can we exile this guy to the moon, please? Or some kind of alternate reality? Or the moon in an alternate reality, preferably one where the moon is a dead and airless place and the Sea of Tranquility is filled with basalt and regolith and not water.

Ibis
9 years ago

I spent some few moments today while doing dishes thinking about what society would be like if Roosh’s Law was for real. This is what I came up with: Women would no longer choose to live with men because who would want to live with anyone who could treat you as a sex slave. Women would almost exclusively live alone or only with other women and most of their homes would be barred to even visits by post-pubescent boys and men. They would choose to have hetero sex only in public places, where they could at least have some protection of their autonomy. The birth rate would drop dramatically. Girls would live with their mothers & her roommates until adulthood, but boys would be sent away if not at birth, at least by age 10 or 11 because they’d pose too great a risk (if not necessarily to their own mothers or sisters, definitely to other female residents or visitors). A parallel economy would spring up so that if a woman needed a plumber or technician or food delivery to come to her home, she could be assured of getting a fellow woman to do the job. Women wouldn’t even want to live in neighbourhoods or apartment buildings next to men, in case they might be dragged across a man’s threshold. In short, the society would become gender-segregated. Somehow, I don’t think he thought this through at all (beyond I wanna get away with rape, so let’s make a law where what I do isn’t considered rape).

Herbert West
Herbert West
9 years ago

This man is dangerous and mentally diseased.
Put him into an asylum already.

Spindrift
Spindrift
9 years ago

Ugh, try not to use ableist language like “mentally diseased” when talking about aweful people. And putting them in asylums where they could prey upon vulnerable people would be an aweful idea.

JoAnna
JoAnna
9 years ago

Sooooo, if this guy goes to a gay (male) friends house, and the gay friend rapes him, it is this guy’s fault? Or since rape would be legal on any private property, maybe the rape “non-victim” went home with a girl not knowing she had a bisexual male friend waiting in her bedroom to have a 3 way? I have a feeling if we made this law gender neutral (meaning women and men can also rape men legally), a lot of these rapey guys would see the problem. This is just beyond disgusting.

ali
ali
9 years ago

@ibis, that’s exactly what I thought of, too. The idea presented is so much like the idea behind vampires (inviting them in to your home basically gives them carte blanche) that any woman with a sense of self preservation would essentially banish men from her life. No study buddies, no male friends, no handymen to fix the broken faucet or leaky roof… Just women, doing everything for themselves, from going to school, to growing vegetables, to putting up new shingles, to working as doctors, lawyers and engineers, etc.

And yeah, sure, maybe some arranged or highly-screened dating would happen, but only in highly public places with any copulation becoming sort-of a last-minute furtive search for privacy. ‘Cause I’m sure most women would like to do more than just immediately have sex when we invite someone over, under normal conditions… But this immodest proposal doesn’t really leave room for that, it presupposes that private spaces = sex whenever the guy wants it.

Carrie Kube
9 years ago

When you think about it, Roosh’s plan could work against him if some burglar broke into his house and had his way with him. Since his home is private property, it won’t count.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

Unfortunately, Roosh decided to explicitly only legalize rape of women. God forbid he be in any danger from anything. His whole hypothetical is basically “women don’t act the way I think they should, so they should be raped in order to learn a lesson.”

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

Even beyond the legal matters, there’s the question of intention.

I won’t rationalize my actions, but having sex is what I do. If a girl is willing to walk home with me, she’s going to get the dick no matter how much she has drunk. I’ll protect myself by using a condom (most of the time), but I know that when it comes to sex, one ounce of hesitation or a feeling of morality will get me nothing.

He’s a rapist by mentality, even if not by legality. These are not the words of a man who believes he’s subverting a draconian US law to take part in a morally sound act, these are the words of a man who knows he’s doing wrong but has decided not to care for the sake of getting his dick wet.

Bina
Bina
9 years ago

Roosh reveals all in his latest post! He can’t get laid fast enough. Apparently he went out to a bar and spent a WHOLE 30 MINUTES on a girl who decided not to fuck him! And now he’s complaining that flaky girls are a waste of his productivity.

Ahahahaha, da poor widdle fing. More likely, she spent a whole half hour trying to get rid of this creepy pest who kept droning at her, stinking up her space, and trying to touch her like a monkey looking for fleas to eat.

Also, sex is not a particularly productive activity, unless maybe one is trying to get pregnant. And in Roosh’s case, he can no longer even pretend that it’s what he does, because no one wants to do it with him.

And who can blame them?

johnozed
johnozed
9 years ago

So he’d be fine if he was ‘legally’ raped?

Cyberwulf
Cyberwulf
9 years ago

I would never suggest that anyone should actually go out and deliberately harm Roosh. But I will suggest that if he fell down a well and broke his neck and died, nothing of value would be lost.

Bina
Bina
9 years ago

one ounce of hesitation or a feeling of morality will get me nothing.

And as it turns out, even without hesitation or morality, Roosh is STILL getting nothing.

That thought pleases me. VERY MUCH.

Fluffy Kitties
Fluffy Kitties
9 years ago

Why stop with rape? Why not make castration legal on private property as well?

katz
9 years ago

No study buddies, no male friends, no handymen to fix the broken faucet or leaky roof… Just women, doing everything for themselves, from going to school, to growing vegetables, to putting up new shingles, to working as doctors, lawyers and engineers, etc.

*gasp* Roosh wants the whole world to be Sultana’s Dream!

samantha
9 years ago
Reply to  Ibis

I spent some few moments today while doing dishes thinking about what society would be like if Roosh’s Law was for real. This is what I came up with: Women would no longer choose to live with men because who would want to live with anyone who could treat you as a sex slave. Women would almost exclusively live alone or only with other women and most of their homes would be barred to even visits by post-pubescent boys and men.

I know that this will sound weird, but a part of me would really like to live in a society with only women. And I have a husband and three sons I absolutely adore. But there is something about a society of women that sounds so…marvelous. Sigh

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
9 years ago

@ cyberwolf

Well, so long as he doesn’t land on the bucket.

samantha
9 years ago
Reply to  katz

*gasp* Roosh wants the whole world to be Sultana’s Dream!

WONDERFUL story, that. I followed the link, just to read it once again.

Makes one sigh and wish ’twere so, yes?

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