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Pickup guru Roosh V: End rape by making it legal

Roosh V: End rape by legalizing it
Roosh V: End rape by legalizing it

“Game” guru Roosh Valizadeh is tired of hearing that “men can stop rape.”

As far as he’s concerned, the problem isn’t men — who already know that rape is bad. No, it’s women.

Looking back on his own life, he wrote in a blog post yesterday (archived here),

I saw women wholly unconcerned with their own safety and the character of men they developed intimate relationships with. I saw women who voluntarily numbed themselves with alcohol and other drugs in social settings before letting the direction of the night’s wind determine who they would follow into a private room. I saw women who, once feeling awkward, sad, or guilty for a sexual encounter they didn’t fully remember, call upon an authority figure to resolve the problem by locking up her previous night’s lover in prison or ejecting him from school.

Evidently, in Roosh”s view, women are at fault when they enter a bedroom with the wrong man, but men aren’t at fault for being this wrong man. It’s a convenient argument for Roosh, who by all accounts including his own is one of these wrong men. Indeed, in his e-book Bang Iceland he admitted, rather nonchalantly, that he once raped a woman who was too drunk to consent.  As he described the events of that evening:

While walking to my place, I realized how drunk she was. In America, having sex with her would have been rape, since she legally couldn’t give her consent. It didn’t help matters that I was relatively sober, but I can’t say I cared or even hesitated. I won’t rationalize my actions, but having sex is what I do.

Now back to the rapist’s proposal to end rape:

By attempting to teach men not to rape, what we have actually done is teach women not to care about being raped, not to protect themselves from easily preventable acts, and not to take responsibility for their actions. At the same time, we don’t hesitate to blame men for bad things that happen to them (if right now you walked into a dangerous ghetto and got robbed, you would be called an idiot and no one would say “teach ghetto kids not to steal”).

I’m pretty sure that we already do teach “ghetto kids” — and non-“ghetto” kids — not to steal. And we put adults in prison for it.

It was obvious to me that the advice of our esteemed establishment writers and critics wasn’t stopping the problem, and since rape was already on the law books with severe penalties, additional laws or flyers posted on dormitory doors won’t stop this rape culture either.

Well, it didn’t stop Roosh. But it does stop others. While still horrifyingly common, rape rates have dropped considerably over the past several decades, helped by laws like VAWA and the sort of rape awareness campaigns that MRAs and other misogynists have always railed against.

But never mind, because Roosh has figured out what he thinks is a much better solution:

make rape legal if done on private property. I propose that we make the violent taking of a woman not punishable by law when done off public grounds.

What!?

While Roosh thinks that “those seedy and deranged men who randomly select their rape victims on alleys and jogging trails” should still be jailed, if only to keep them off the street, he argues that “on private property, any and all rape that happens should be completely legal.”So how would this, er, solution end rape?

If rape becomes legal under my proposal, a girl will protect her body in the same manner that she protects her purse and smartphone.

Apparently in Roosh’s imaginary world, women are more concerned about the well-being of their iPhones than their own bodily integrity.

If rape becomes legal, a girl will not enter an impaired state of mind where she can’t resist being dragged off to a bedroom with a man who she is unsure of—she’ll scream, yell, or kick at his attempt while bystanders are still around. If rape becomes legal, she will never be unchaperoned with a man she doesn’t want to sleep with.

I was going to ask “what if her ‘chaperone’ decides to rape her,” but there’s no point in trying to address any of Roosh’s argument here logically.

After several months of advertising this law throughout the land, rape would be virtually eliminated on the first day it is applied.

Uh, how?

Without daddy government to protect her, a girl would absolutely not enter a private room with a man she doesn’t know or trust unless she is absolutely sure she is ready to sleep with him. Consent is now achieved when she passes underneath the room’s door frame, because she knows that that man can legally do anything he wants to her when it comes to sex.

Roosh seems to think that rape only happens when drunk women invite strangers wearing “I HEART Raping Women” t-shirts into their apartments. In fact, as RAINN points out, only about a quarter of all rapists are strangers. Roughly 40% are friends or acquaintances; another 30% are in a relationship with the victim, and 7% are family members. In other words, most rapes are committed by people that the victim knows and trusts.

Bad encounters are sure to occur, but these can be learning experiences for the poorly trained woman so she can better identify in the future the type of good man who will treat her like the delicate flower that she believes she is. After only one such sour experience, she will actually want to get fully acquainted with a man for longer than two hours—perhaps even demanding to meet his parents—instead of letting a beer chug prevent her from making the correct decisions to protect her body.

I don’t even know what to say to this. It’s not just that Roosh seems almost inhuman in his utter lack of empathy. It’s that the women he has the most contempt for are the very women he targets as a “pickup artist,” women at bars who are open to the possibility of casual sex.

Because women will never enter a man’s apartment without accepting that sex will happen, he can escort her to his bedroom and romantically consummate a relationship after it was certain he proved himself to be a good and decent man the woman fully trusted.

Does Roosh actually think he comes even remotely close to being a good man who is worthy of any woman’s trust?

It turns out that we don’t need more laws, policies, and university propaganda that treat every man like a criminal and every woman like a mild retardate—we need more common sense that can only come from making rape legal.

Yes, dear reader, you did just read a sentence in which the idea of making rape legal is described as “common sense.”

Such a change will provide a mature jolt to American women who have been babied for too long, who are protected and coddled as if they have no agency or intellect of their own. If a woman is indeed a child then maybe we really need to keep promoting “rape culture” as a way to keep them safe, but if they are actual adults, which is often claimed, then we can start treating them like adults by allowing them to take responsibility for the things that happen to them which are easily preventable with barely a strain of cognitive thought, awareness, and self control.

Huh. Earlier, Roosh compared rape to property theft. If the two are analogous, why isn’t Roosh advocating that we get rid of the laws that make theft illegal. By Roosh’s logic, don’t laws against theft “coddle” property owners and deny them “agency and intellect?”

Let’s make rape legal. Less women will be raped because they won’t voluntarily drug themselves with booze and follow a strange man into a bedroom, and less men will be unfairly jailed for what was anything but a maniacal alley rape. Until then, this devastating rape culture will continue, and women who we treat as children will continue to act like children.

Roosh seems a little confused as to who is acting like a child here.

So is Roosh being facetious here? Is this just a Swiftian “Modest Proposal?”

Certainly, Roosh is being deliberately provocative — no doubt hoping to generate as many pageviews as possible from whatever controversy ensues.

And I’m fairly certain that he is not altogether serious about his proposal, which would effectively mean that no woman would ever go home with him or any of his readers ever again.

But I don’t see a Swiftian satire here.  Roosh’s “argument” here, such as it is, repeats “arguments” he’s made in earnest many times before. He may be taking these arguments to their logical extreme, but he doesn’t seem to be doing so in an attempt to refute them. He clearly doesn’t give a shit about actually preventing rape. His absurdist “proposal” seems mostly to be an excuse to express his contempt for feminists and his hatred of women in general.

Roosh’s fans, for the most part, don’t seem to see the post as satire. Some echo his contemptuous attacks on women.

atlantaOthers second his Men’s Rightsy attack on feminism as something that “infantalizes” women.

shangiA few bring up the name of Jonathan Swift.  LoftBoy thinks Roosh’s proposal is “rediculous” enough to be satire, but thinks it just might work.

loftBut the smartest take on the satire question comes from a commenter who is no fan of Roosh.

rabzee

 

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creepycupcake
creepycupcake
10 years ago

What if the woman is abducted and dragged into the rapists home?

AltoFronto
AltoFronto
10 years ago

All I can do is sit here with a look of absolute disgust and horror on my face, marveling at one so steeped in his particular brand of banal Evil, and imagine that life would play out like a YA adventure book, because in a universe where justice and Good prevails, his character would have been stripped of his gains and locked up/ fallen down a cliff into a pit of alligators/ crushed up by machinery / met an otherwise cartoonish, yet grisly demise by now.

Ugh. I’m going to go out and enjoy the sunshine and remind myself that most people are decent enough human beings.

LordCrowstaff
LordCrowstaff
10 years ago

@Leisha Young

Yeah, every time. That I even share a gender with these dimwits is enraging, and that they claim to “speak” for me even moreso. And no, it’s not because of raging feminists that I have to convince others I’m not a rapist, it’s because fucks like these either ARE rapists, or give women good cause to treat every man like one.

That being said, I’m actually capable of interacting with women, that is, PEOPLE, without feeling the compulsive need to be an ass. And, wonder of wonders, I have never been accused of rape or sexual harassment.

Mongoose
Mongoose
10 years ago

I wonder does this guy understand that men get raped too. And would he be advocating for this to cover male victims of rape as well? He obviously has nothing but contempt for women, but surely he must see that such laws cover him and his ilk as well.

Khârn the Betrayer
10 years ago

Ok, this is a little beside the point but I cannot get past that picture at the top of the article. Dude’s eyes don’t point in the same direction – has this always been the case and I’m just noticing it now?

N.P.S.
N.P.S.
10 years ago

So he missed the memo that rape is already essentially legal? Almost 99% of rapists never spend a day in jail or otherwise receive any punishment for their crimes. “Daddy Government” doesn’t come charging in to the rescue because Daddy Government literally does not care. Why is this piece of shit complaining? He’s never been punished for being a rapist. His dream world of legal rape already exists.

lith
lith
10 years ago

@Leisha Young and dhag85:

I’m a man, and I’m personally offended every time these douchenozzles pretend to be speaking for men in general. The only reason why I don’t always focus on how offensive this is to men, is because they almost always say something even more horrible about women in the same breath. But it’s not going unnoticed.

I find them offensive for the same reasons most women do, i.e. because it’s so not okay to treat anyone the way they do or want to.

I don’t find it offensive to me as a man in large part because I just don’t relate to these guys – I am very much not part of their group and I know they don’t speak for me. Like, ever – thinking about it I’m not sure I’ve ever thought, “Hm, actually that’s a reasonable argument” while reading anything they’ve ever written.

I accept that they colour the perceptions of women towards all men and that that includes me, because I understand there’s nothing I can do to change that in the short term other than not being a dick. In the long term I aim to persuade people to stop being dicks.

k_machine
k_machine
10 years ago

Roosh is reaching Saudi Arabian levels of women-hatred here.

Ellesar
10 years ago

I think that there is already a place pretty much like what Roosh is proposing. In Saudi Arabia a woman has pretty much no chance of a rape conviction as every step of the way the blame and responsibility is on her. So she has to stay at home, have (male) chaperones when she does leave the house, dress ‘modestly’, and of course NEVER drink alcohol.

This does not of course stop women in Saudi being raped, but as Roosh says, in the private sphere it is ‘not’ rape. Saudi women are often raped by male relatives, and of course their husbands. They say nothing as rape by anyone who is not their husband will be considered adultery and she stands a good chance of being executed or at least whipped for having been raped, and of course a rape by her husband wouldn’t even chart.

So Roosh is proposing a system akin to fundamentalist Islam.

And has others have pointed out he really does despise men as much as women as he apparently considers them all to be rapists, or certainly rape indifferent. In Roosh’s world all men are potential rapists because no woman is worthy of respect.

dhag85
10 years ago

@lith

To clarify, I think it’s offensive to pretend to be speaking for other people when you’re not. When these guys try to tell women how to feel, that’s offensive. It’s also offensive when they try to tell other men how to feel. This doesn’t in any way depend on me counting myself as “part of their group”. If I was a space alien I still wouldn’t want them to put words in my mouth.

The first sentence of your reply was sort of the point I was making in the blockquoted part. They already do other things that I consider worse, which is why I don’t usually complain so much about them pretending to speak for me. Not because only the biggest problem is worth addressing, but because my time and patience is limited.

Ellesar
10 years ago

k_machine – I expanded on your comment and was ninja’d by it!

lith
lith
10 years ago

@creepycupcake:

What if the woman is abducted and dragged into the rapists home?

I’m guessing they’d be charged with abduction but not for the rape. He makes it sound like the woman would be entering through the door voluntarily, thereafter to be used in whatever potentially sick way he wants with no repercussions regardless of what she wants (or doesn’t). And of course she might be entering because she’s visiting someone else in the house, rather than because she wanted to be raped.

Arctic Ape
Arctic Ape
10 years ago

It turns out that we don’t need more laws, policies, and university propaganda that treat every man like a criminal

“…when treating men like criminals should be every woman’s personal devotion.”

What is the “private property” distinction even for?

Roosh probably actually meant to distinguish between stereotypic stranger rape and stereotypic date rape, pretending that those are the only kinds of rape.

I understand that he doesn’t see date rape as worth criminalizing anyway. Now he wants to offer a “solution” for people who nevertheless wring their hands about date rape.

… Why aren’t there bars with hotel-ish rooms free for the patrons? You know, besides the cost. That’d be kind of awesome. Not that I drink, the concept is just cool.

That would be likely illegal almost everywhere, because it would be seen as specially inviting prostitution.

(Some countries have hotels meant specially as sex venues, but they don’t apparently serve as meeting places for people seeking sex.)

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

“She was asking for it because she entered a privately-owned building” is rather a new low. It’s essentially “she went up to his room/apartment with him, what was she expecting” on steroids.

There are so many holes in this stinking pile of wrongness that it’s essentially one huge black hole from which no light can escape, but here’s something else:

If rape becomes legal, a girl will not enter an impaired state of mind where she can’t resist being dragged off to a bedroom with a man who she is unsure of—she’ll scream, yell, or kick at his attempt while bystanders are still around.

Assumes that those bystanders are going to intervene. There’s no guarantee of that. Just look at Steubenville.

Bina
Bina
10 years ago

All hail Queen Janelle! I went to sleep last night thinking of that song for no particular reason, and today I wake up to find it here. Ah, the cockle-warming goodness of it…

As for Roosh, my humble theory upon rereading this is that he’s getting frustrated. He’s showing his age; the ladies are losing interest (if indeed they ever had any, which, given his appearance, is doubtful); his wrists are getting sore from all the wanking; he’s starting to hate the smell of his own old socks. So what’s a sad-sack boy to do? Legalize rape, and rape all the wimminzes!

It would actually be funny if it weren’t so like what’s already going on in Arabia. Only there, the women also get the death penalty for being raped. I have lost the ability to even.

Fred_the_Dog
Fred_the_Dog
10 years ago

So, if rape is legal, and a woman doesn’t want to be raped and fights back, is she then prosecuted for assault, attempted murder, or something like that? It’s like these guys don’t believe women are human or have agency or something…which of course, IS what they actually believe.

Leslie J. Anderson (@inkhat)

Ah yes, nothing like forcing someone to have constantly have a chaperone to make them mature….

lith
lith
10 years ago

@Fred:

🙁

maria serena
maria serena
10 years ago

dalle mie parti si dice “Ma ti levi di’ulo!”
in my part of the country we say “ma ti levi di’ulo!”

jojosbeans
jojosbeans
10 years ago

Since when did women become complaisant about rape? Since went have women ‘not cared’? Isn’t that something that is in the back of every woman’s mind as they walk to their car at night, home from a bus stop, as they grip their keys, when their arms are full, when they are modestly tipsy, when the lighting is too dim, when the carport is not busy, when you get off work/school late, when you sleep with the windows open, if your schedule was unexpectedly changed… Or if it is too rigid, and a million other ways it can pop up quietly and insidiously with every action and interaction we ever have.

jojosbeans
jojosbeans
10 years ago

And I realize my comment is very stranger orientated. I’m in a odd time in my life. I currently have no living close male relatives and no boyfriend. I have only female co-workers catering to a majority female clientele, and since I’ve relocated have only made female friends due to these circumstances. If I had lots of male relatives, friends, coworkers, clients, and dating, or even a roommate who was dating I probably would have a lot more to worry about than the usual paranoia of a single woman living on her own in a new city.

proxieme
proxieme
10 years ago

Ellesar said:

I think that there is already a place pretty much like what Roosh is proposing. In Saudi Arabia a woman has pretty much no chance of a rape conviction as every step of the way the blame and responsibility is on her. So she has to stay at home, have (male) chaperones when she does leave the house, dress ‘modestly’, and of course NEVER drink alcohol.

This does not of course stop women in Saudi being raped, but as Roosh says, in the private sphere it is ‘not’ rape. Saudi women are often raped by male relatives, and of course their husbands. They say nothing as rape by anyone who is not their husband will be considered adultery and she stands a good chance of being executed or at least whipped for having been raped, and of course a rape by her husband wouldn’t even chart.

So Roosh is proposing a system akin to fundamentalist Islam.

And has others have pointed out he really does despise men as much as women as he apparently considers them all to be rapists, or certainly rape indifferent. In Roosh’s world all men are potential rapists because no woman is worthy of respect.

That was my thought, too.
“So…Doosh is advocating for…a fundamentalist interpretation and application of Sharia (at least for women)?”

He even said that women would only go out with a trusted make chaperone.

My personal take (given his aforementioned groaning about “quality women worth committing to”, etc) is that he thinks that a Sharia-like restriction of women’s movements and rights is the only way to stop them from “riding the cock carousel” and therefore the only way to ensure that they remain “marriageable”.

Because he’s an asshole.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
10 years ago

@Bina

As for Roosh, my humble theory upon rereading this is that he’s getting frustrated. He’s showing his age; the ladies are losing interest (if indeed they ever had any, which, given his appearance, is doubtful); his wrists are getting sore from all the wanking; he’s starting to hate the smell of his own old socks. So what’s a sad-sack boy to do? Legalize rape, and rape all the wimminzes!

Exactly. Add to that flagging sales from his Bang! series, his unemployability, the fact that he has to rely entirely on his sister and ever-more-horrible clickbait to keep him in raw chicken and hair grease, and you’ve got the makings of a massive existential crisis. He’s rapidly aging out of the club scene and knows it, but there’s nothing to replace it. The one-night stands have grown stale. All he has to look forward to is a future of lonesome smelly flats, the prospect of jail or local vigilante justice when he tangles with the wrong woman, and death, when it comes, being marked by zero mourners because his life was entirely useless, devoid of human feeling, and wasted in the pursuit of selfish base pleasures and deliberate inflicting of pain on others. Nobody’s going to miss him when he’s gone.

It would be a hilariously riveting spectacle, except that the stench emanating from the inner workings of his mind imparts an off taste to the popcorn.

Scildfreja
Scildfreja
10 years ago

If there were ever compelling evidence for lizard people from outer space wearing human skin and walking around the world, trying to subvert humanity, this Plasticine (Pleistocene?) man is it. The gormless jerk looks like wet leather wrapped too tight around a blob of Play-doh, with the same level of social cluelessness.

I could get less superficial than his appearance, but good lord, I just can’t. I can’t even. You’re right, Bina – he wants to live in Saudi Arabia.

M.
M.
10 years ago

Unrelated but I need to put this somewhere: There’s some guy on the Nintendo Miiverse (of all places) stalking me around under the oh-so-subtle name of “Hugh J. Nys.” He’s never said anything to me, but he’s +1’d every single post I’ve made for a solid six months now and it’s creeping me the fuckballs out.

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