
“Game” guru Roosh Valizadeh is tired of hearing that “men can stop rape.”
As far as he’s concerned, the problem isn’t men — who already know that rape is bad. No, it’s women.
Looking back on his own life, he wrote in a blog post yesterday (archived here),
I saw women wholly unconcerned with their own safety and the character of men they developed intimate relationships with. I saw women who voluntarily numbed themselves with alcohol and other drugs in social settings before letting the direction of the night’s wind determine who they would follow into a private room. I saw women who, once feeling awkward, sad, or guilty for a sexual encounter they didn’t fully remember, call upon an authority figure to resolve the problem by locking up her previous night’s lover in prison or ejecting him from school.
Evidently, in Roosh”s view, women are at fault when they enter a bedroom with the wrong man, but men aren’t at fault for being this wrong man. It’s a convenient argument for Roosh, who by all accounts including his own is one of these wrong men. Indeed, in his e-book Bang Iceland he admitted, rather nonchalantly, that he once raped a woman who was too drunk to consent. As he described the events of that evening:
While walking to my place, I realized how drunk she was. In America, having sex with her would have been rape, since she legally couldn’t give her consent. It didn’t help matters that I was relatively sober, but I can’t say I cared or even hesitated. I won’t rationalize my actions, but having sex is what I do.
Now back to the rapist’s proposal to end rape:
By attempting to teach men not to rape, what we have actually done is teach women not to care about being raped, not to protect themselves from easily preventable acts, and not to take responsibility for their actions. At the same time, we don’t hesitate to blame men for bad things that happen to them (if right now you walked into a dangerous ghetto and got robbed, you would be called an idiot and no one would say “teach ghetto kids not to steal”).
I’m pretty sure that we already do teach “ghetto kids” — and non-“ghetto” kids — not to steal. And we put adults in prison for it.
It was obvious to me that the advice of our esteemed establishment writers and critics wasn’t stopping the problem, and since rape was already on the law books with severe penalties, additional laws or flyers posted on dormitory doors won’t stop this rape culture either.
Well, it didn’t stop Roosh. But it does stop others. While still horrifyingly common, rape rates have dropped considerably over the past several decades, helped by laws like VAWA and the sort of rape awareness campaigns that MRAs and other misogynists have always railed against.
But never mind, because Roosh has figured out what he thinks is a much better solution:
make rape legal if done on private property. I propose that we make the violent taking of a woman not punishable by law when done off public grounds.
What!?
While Roosh thinks that “those seedy and deranged men who randomly select their rape victims on alleys and jogging trails” should still be jailed, if only to keep them off the street, he argues that “on private property, any and all rape that happens should be completely legal.”So how would this, er, solution end rape?
If rape becomes legal under my proposal, a girl will protect her body in the same manner that she protects her purse and smartphone.
Apparently in Roosh’s imaginary world, women are more concerned about the well-being of their iPhones than their own bodily integrity.
If rape becomes legal, a girl will not enter an impaired state of mind where she can’t resist being dragged off to a bedroom with a man who she is unsure of—she’ll scream, yell, or kick at his attempt while bystanders are still around. If rape becomes legal, she will never be unchaperoned with a man she doesn’t want to sleep with.
I was going to ask “what if her ‘chaperone’ decides to rape her,” but there’s no point in trying to address any of Roosh’s argument here logically.
After several months of advertising this law throughout the land, rape would be virtually eliminated on the first day it is applied.
Uh, how?
Without daddy government to protect her, a girl would absolutely not enter a private room with a man she doesn’t know or trust unless she is absolutely sure she is ready to sleep with him. Consent is now achieved when she passes underneath the room’s door frame, because she knows that that man can legally do anything he wants to her when it comes to sex.
Roosh seems to think that rape only happens when drunk women invite strangers wearing “I HEART Raping Women” t-shirts into their apartments. In fact, as RAINN points out, only about a quarter of all rapists are strangers. Roughly 40% are friends or acquaintances; another 30% are in a relationship with the victim, and 7% are family members. In other words, most rapes are committed by people that the victim knows and trusts.
Bad encounters are sure to occur, but these can be learning experiences for the poorly trained woman so she can better identify in the future the type of good man who will treat her like the delicate flower that she believes she is. After only one such sour experience, she will actually want to get fully acquainted with a man for longer than two hours—perhaps even demanding to meet his parents—instead of letting a beer chug prevent her from making the correct decisions to protect her body.
I don’t even know what to say to this. It’s not just that Roosh seems almost inhuman in his utter lack of empathy. It’s that the women he has the most contempt for are the very women he targets as a “pickup artist,” women at bars who are open to the possibility of casual sex.
Because women will never enter a man’s apartment without accepting that sex will happen, he can escort her to his bedroom and romantically consummate a relationship after it was certain he proved himself to be a good and decent man the woman fully trusted.
Does Roosh actually think he comes even remotely close to being a good man who is worthy of any woman’s trust?
It turns out that we don’t need more laws, policies, and university propaganda that treat every man like a criminal and every woman like a mild retardate—we need more common sense that can only come from making rape legal.
Yes, dear reader, you did just read a sentence in which the idea of making rape legal is described as “common sense.”
Such a change will provide a mature jolt to American women who have been babied for too long, who are protected and coddled as if they have no agency or intellect of their own. If a woman is indeed a child then maybe we really need to keep promoting “rape culture” as a way to keep them safe, but if they are actual adults, which is often claimed, then we can start treating them like adults by allowing them to take responsibility for the things that happen to them which are easily preventable with barely a strain of cognitive thought, awareness, and self control.
Huh. Earlier, Roosh compared rape to property theft. If the two are analogous, why isn’t Roosh advocating that we get rid of the laws that make theft illegal. By Roosh’s logic, don’t laws against theft “coddle” property owners and deny them “agency and intellect?”
Let’s make rape legal. Less women will be raped because they won’t voluntarily drug themselves with booze and follow a strange man into a bedroom, and less men will be unfairly jailed for what was anything but a maniacal alley rape. Until then, this devastating rape culture will continue, and women who we treat as children will continue to act like children.
Roosh seems a little confused as to who is acting like a child here.
So is Roosh being facetious here? Is this just a Swiftian “Modest Proposal?”
Certainly, Roosh is being deliberately provocative — no doubt hoping to generate as many pageviews as possible from whatever controversy ensues.
And I’m fairly certain that he is not altogether serious about his proposal, which would effectively mean that no woman would ever go home with him or any of his readers ever again.
But I don’t see a Swiftian satire here. Roosh’s “argument” here, such as it is, repeats “arguments” he’s made in earnest many times before. He may be taking these arguments to their logical extreme, but he doesn’t seem to be doing so in an attempt to refute them. He clearly doesn’t give a shit about actually preventing rape. His absurdist “proposal” seems mostly to be an excuse to express his contempt for feminists and his hatred of women in general.
Roosh’s fans, for the most part, don’t seem to see the post as satire. Some echo his contemptuous attacks on women.
Others second his Men’s Rightsy attack on feminism as something that “infantalizes” women.
A few bring up the name of Jonathan Swift. LoftBoy thinks Roosh’s proposal is “rediculous” enough to be satire, but thinks it just might work.
But the smartest take on the satire question comes from a commenter who is no fan of Roosh.
Well rather than create new laws, let’s try this solution instead:
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I want every Janelle Monae music video to be a full-length feature film.
“Something makes me think Roosh doesn’t understand the implications of his plan.”
Bullshit. He understands it perfectly. And that’s what he wants: The ability to rape any woman he wants.
Pretending he’s just doing this ~as satire~, ~for attention~ or ~he doesn’t get it~ is whitewashing the evil he’s really throwing out here.
This guy simply wants the legal right to rape. As simple as that. And we should consider him exactly like we’d consider someone that wants that.
@katz: YES, YES, YES, I support this. Someone get Cindi Mayweather her own 3-hour rock opera, STAT.
What Roosh is saying boils down to:
It is too much effort for me to ensure that the woman I am with is capable of and giving consent ( and I’m a rapist so I don’t care whether she is). I don’t want to go to jail. Therefore you must make my kind of rape legal so that I can keep doing it without any risk to me. Those other kinds of rapes can stay illegal because I don’t care about them.
@happyfangirl:
And even if it happened he’d no doubt find some way to blame it on women, he wouldn’t learn from it.
@suffrajitsu
Didn’t Stand your Ground laws basically make murder on private property legal in a few States already?
So when is this going to go viral?
Someone should construct an island out of lego and dump roosh and his followers there with no shoes.
Jim Varney was awesome. Roosh is…a bottomless pit of WTF.
* shakes head*
Performance art, or an incredible delusion on the part of Roosh. I mean, that guy is pretty doggone ugly–a woman would have to be comatose to be able to tolerate being anywhere near that “prize.”
I have to ask the question…at what point do even men object to being sold as rabid animals who are incapable of controlling themselves?
Is it really up to women to protect themselves from men? Are men really that useless when it comes to fighting their carnal desires? If so, please don’t ever let another man complain that they are treated like a penis on legs, or nothing but a sperm incubator.
@Miss Diketon
Iiiihihiihihi! I watched that noisy kittens video and it made my cat wake up and search the room for kittens, eventually jumping up on the table to meow at the computer. Are cats dumb or smart? I can’t decide.
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I have no fucking words. I have none. I just cannot even fathom why this is an okay mindset to have. Why does my safety and bodily autonomy have to come after your personal comfort or responsibility Roosh?
What? You can’t be bothered to not be an asshole, so every female presenting person on the planet, including myself, have to spend all of our time indoors and afraid because men’s dicks are more important than our right to not be violated by some asshole with a boner? HUH?
Why is it shitstains like you think that because I’m walking down the street, I’m suddenly prey to you? It’s suddenly Open-fucking-season because I dared to be female in public. You don’t want “equality”, you want no consequences you fuck. I’d at least appreciate it if you were actually fucking honest instead of hiding behind your “equal rights” bullshit that’s pockmarked with classism, sexism, and racism.
You’re a scary, scary, individual Roosh, and you don’t deserve to have an internet connection as far as I’m concerned.
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Roosh is a goddamned piece of shit. There’s just no other turn of phrase I can fathom using against him anymore. I can’t deal with this shit.
I’m going to go lie down and cry now. I hate this world.
Psych 101:
Roosh V hates women who sleep with him because Roosh V hates himself. He can’t acknowledge how much he hates himself because he has all the insight of a halfbrick. So he hates more women instead.
@Leisha Young
I’m a man, and I’m personally offended every time these douchenozzles pretend to be speaking for men in general. The only reason why I don’t always focus on how offensive this is to men, is because they almost always say something even more horrible about women in the same breath. But it’s not going unnoticed.
I’m old enough to remember the old days. As my age crossed double digits, my grandfather gave me a spooky lecture about being careful not to go out and play in the local woods or too far away from the house or else I might get “hurt.” He never explained what that meant, but made it sound very ominous. I had a gaggle of friends, many of them boys, and we’d play army and build forts, or explore the local creeks or climb trees. On Halloween we’d go for miles with a pillowcase, trick or treating.
I can remember when every woman who reported an assault had an uphill battle to be believed. She could’ve been the wife of a local doctor, a school teacher, or the daughter of the mayor. If she was poor, divorced, perceived as a delinquent (or a rebel or a bookworm or odd in any way), or the “child of a broken home” everybody would figure she’d somehow brought it on herself (because such women were seen as defective in character and expendable). Even if she met the social ideals of respectability, she needed to show more than medical evidence of assault (semen), people also expected her to show injuries that proved she had resisted.
Every detail of the incident would be questioned. Why was she alone? What was she wearing? How did she act? People would suspect that she had flirted, or given him signals somehow, or else why would he have done this, if he even did?
Elizabeth Montgomery in “A Case of Rape” attempted to show this era, when activists were trying to end it. I grew up living in the culture depicted in the movie.
Roosh obviously hasn’t thought through or (more likely) doesn’t care what this would mean for the basic freedoms and civil rights of women. Women in his world better not be alone. They’d better not be taking classes (especially in the evenings or on weekends). They’d better not open the door when they’re home alone, or go for a drive alone. Definitely they’d better not stop anywhere alone. Even shopping alone, studying alone, working on a class project in a quiet room at the university, staying home sick with the flu alone, whatever, whenever, they’d need a trustworthy bodyguard. And even if they aren’t alone, but with someone who should know better – classmates, their brother’s friend, second cousins – if someone wanted to assault them, all they have to do is trick them into being alone with them for some plausible reason and then …. And if the woman was tricked, it was her fault.
I’m horrified that people like Roosh want my daughter and granddaughter to live in the world I remember simply so that they can have an easier and more carefree sex life. That’s just vile.
dear god. as much as i love this website there are some posts where i can’t quite bring myself to click the “read more” button 🙁
Wishing him to be raped himself may sound like justice, like…
He wanted other people to be raped – One point for him
Now I want him to be raped – One point for “me”/the good people/etc.
But that’s wrong. Actually, if you wish him to be raped, the end score will be…
Society in which rape is acceptable: TWO.
Society we want to live in: ZERO
Same with wishing violence to terrorists, etc. In the end, the only one who loses is human decency. You cannot fight evil words with more evil words.
@fotocopiadora
I know what you mean. I kept expecting it to end, but every time I hit Page Down, there was more and it kept getting worse.
I think my favorite thing about this blog and the commentariat is when I read or hear about something stupid that Roosh or AVFM said, and I know there are a billion things wrong with it but I just don’t have the patience or eloquence to work all the errors out and put them into words, I know this place will always rescue me.
We’d all be living in the world of Deuteronomy 22. No thanks.
Don’t the USA have privately owned prisons? So by Roosh’s law they could lock someone up and torture her with rape and it’s all perfectly legal, and the government actually pays them for the service they’re providing? And you get no say in wether you enter the private property cause you’re a prisoner, you just get sentenced to X years sex slavery by a judge?. That’s so twisted, my brain feels queasy.
If the government confiscated all property and nationalized all of the economy it’d protect women from that law, so I guess communism is the answer.
This is what really angers me – that the default is “yes” until the woman outright says “no”. It should be the other way around. Assume it’s a “no” until you hear an explicit yes.
Dammit, I wasn’t done posting. Anyway, proposals like this rest on that assumption – that all women walk around with a giant neon YES over their heads and it’s up to us to turn that into a NO by fighting back, being verbally explicit, or in this case, living in an underground bunker surrounded by razor wire.
Because the Rooshes of the world don’t want to put in the effort to turn no into yes. Sex with them is always going to be coerced and regretted afterwards.