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Pickup guru Roosh V: End rape by making it legal

Roosh V: End rape by legalizing it
Roosh V: End rape by legalizing it

“Game” guru Roosh Valizadeh is tired of hearing that “men can stop rape.”

As far as he’s concerned, the problem isn’t men — who already know that rape is bad. No, it’s women.

Looking back on his own life, he wrote in a blog post yesterday (archived here),

I saw women wholly unconcerned with their own safety and the character of men they developed intimate relationships with. I saw women who voluntarily numbed themselves with alcohol and other drugs in social settings before letting the direction of the night’s wind determine who they would follow into a private room. I saw women who, once feeling awkward, sad, or guilty for a sexual encounter they didn’t fully remember, call upon an authority figure to resolve the problem by locking up her previous night’s lover in prison or ejecting him from school.

Evidently, in Roosh”s view, women are at fault when they enter a bedroom with the wrong man, but men aren’t at fault for being this wrong man. It’s a convenient argument for Roosh, who by all accounts including his own is one of these wrong men. Indeed, in his e-book Bang Iceland he admitted, rather nonchalantly, that he once raped a woman who was too drunk to consent.  As he described the events of that evening:

While walking to my place, I realized how drunk she was. In America, having sex with her would have been rape, since she legally couldn’t give her consent. It didn’t help matters that I was relatively sober, but I can’t say I cared or even hesitated. I won’t rationalize my actions, but having sex is what I do.

Now back to the rapist’s proposal to end rape:

By attempting to teach men not to rape, what we have actually done is teach women not to care about being raped, not to protect themselves from easily preventable acts, and not to take responsibility for their actions. At the same time, we don’t hesitate to blame men for bad things that happen to them (if right now you walked into a dangerous ghetto and got robbed, you would be called an idiot and no one would say “teach ghetto kids not to steal”).

I’m pretty sure that we already do teach “ghetto kids” — and non-“ghetto” kids — not to steal. And we put adults in prison for it.

It was obvious to me that the advice of our esteemed establishment writers and critics wasn’t stopping the problem, and since rape was already on the law books with severe penalties, additional laws or flyers posted on dormitory doors won’t stop this rape culture either.

Well, it didn’t stop Roosh. But it does stop others. While still horrifyingly common, rape rates have dropped considerably over the past several decades, helped by laws like VAWA and the sort of rape awareness campaigns that MRAs and other misogynists have always railed against.

But never mind, because Roosh has figured out what he thinks is a much better solution:

make rape legal if done on private property. I propose that we make the violent taking of a woman not punishable by law when done off public grounds.

What!?

While Roosh thinks that “those seedy and deranged men who randomly select their rape victims on alleys and jogging trails” should still be jailed, if only to keep them off the street, he argues that “on private property, any and all rape that happens should be completely legal.”So how would this, er, solution end rape?

If rape becomes legal under my proposal, a girl will protect her body in the same manner that she protects her purse and smartphone.

Apparently in Roosh’s imaginary world, women are more concerned about the well-being of their iPhones than their own bodily integrity.

If rape becomes legal, a girl will not enter an impaired state of mind where she can’t resist being dragged off to a bedroom with a man who she is unsure of—she’ll scream, yell, or kick at his attempt while bystanders are still around. If rape becomes legal, she will never be unchaperoned with a man she doesn’t want to sleep with.

I was going to ask “what if her ‘chaperone’ decides to rape her,” but there’s no point in trying to address any of Roosh’s argument here logically.

After several months of advertising this law throughout the land, rape would be virtually eliminated on the first day it is applied.

Uh, how?

Without daddy government to protect her, a girl would absolutely not enter a private room with a man she doesn’t know or trust unless she is absolutely sure she is ready to sleep with him. Consent is now achieved when she passes underneath the room’s door frame, because she knows that that man can legally do anything he wants to her when it comes to sex.

Roosh seems to think that rape only happens when drunk women invite strangers wearing “I HEART Raping Women” t-shirts into their apartments. In fact, as RAINN points out, only about a quarter of all rapists are strangers. Roughly 40% are friends or acquaintances; another 30% are in a relationship with the victim, and 7% are family members. In other words, most rapes are committed by people that the victim knows and trusts.

Bad encounters are sure to occur, but these can be learning experiences for the poorly trained woman so she can better identify in the future the type of good man who will treat her like the delicate flower that she believes she is. After only one such sour experience, she will actually want to get fully acquainted with a man for longer than two hours—perhaps even demanding to meet his parents—instead of letting a beer chug prevent her from making the correct decisions to protect her body.

I don’t even know what to say to this. It’s not just that Roosh seems almost inhuman in his utter lack of empathy. It’s that the women he has the most contempt for are the very women he targets as a “pickup artist,” women at bars who are open to the possibility of casual sex.

Because women will never enter a man’s apartment without accepting that sex will happen, he can escort her to his bedroom and romantically consummate a relationship after it was certain he proved himself to be a good and decent man the woman fully trusted.

Does Roosh actually think he comes even remotely close to being a good man who is worthy of any woman’s trust?

It turns out that we don’t need more laws, policies, and university propaganda that treat every man like a criminal and every woman like a mild retardate—we need more common sense that can only come from making rape legal.

Yes, dear reader, you did just read a sentence in which the idea of making rape legal is described as “common sense.”

Such a change will provide a mature jolt to American women who have been babied for too long, who are protected and coddled as if they have no agency or intellect of their own. If a woman is indeed a child then maybe we really need to keep promoting “rape culture” as a way to keep them safe, but if they are actual adults, which is often claimed, then we can start treating them like adults by allowing them to take responsibility for the things that happen to them which are easily preventable with barely a strain of cognitive thought, awareness, and self control.

Huh. Earlier, Roosh compared rape to property theft. If the two are analogous, why isn’t Roosh advocating that we get rid of the laws that make theft illegal. By Roosh’s logic, don’t laws against theft “coddle” property owners and deny them “agency and intellect?”

Let’s make rape legal. Less women will be raped because they won’t voluntarily drug themselves with booze and follow a strange man into a bedroom, and less men will be unfairly jailed for what was anything but a maniacal alley rape. Until then, this devastating rape culture will continue, and women who we treat as children will continue to act like children.

Roosh seems a little confused as to who is acting like a child here.

So is Roosh being facetious here? Is this just a Swiftian “Modest Proposal?”

Certainly, Roosh is being deliberately provocative — no doubt hoping to generate as many pageviews as possible from whatever controversy ensues.

And I’m fairly certain that he is not altogether serious about his proposal, which would effectively mean that no woman would ever go home with him or any of his readers ever again.

But I don’t see a Swiftian satire here.  Roosh’s “argument” here, such as it is, repeats “arguments” he’s made in earnest many times before. He may be taking these arguments to their logical extreme, but he doesn’t seem to be doing so in an attempt to refute them. He clearly doesn’t give a shit about actually preventing rape. His absurdist “proposal” seems mostly to be an excuse to express his contempt for feminists and his hatred of women in general.

Roosh’s fans, for the most part, don’t seem to see the post as satire. Some echo his contemptuous attacks on women.

atlantaOthers second his Men’s Rightsy attack on feminism as something that “infantalizes” women.

shangiA few bring up the name of Jonathan Swift.  LoftBoy thinks Roosh’s proposal is “rediculous” enough to be satire, but thinks it just might work.

loftBut the smartest take on the satire question comes from a commenter who is no fan of Roosh.

rabzee

 

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Lolly
Lolly
10 years ago

It’s the whole madonna/whore thing, isn’t it. Some guys (and some women too) can’t seem to see outside these two categories. They reckon if women act ‘whorish’ (which they see as letting down defences, looking for pleasure, being adventurous) they can be treated as though they don’t really matter, since these kind of women apparently don’t matter to some folk (surely not because they’re intimidating, of course…) But if women discipline themselves, act with restraint and control, focus on looking for one man to devote themselves to forever, they can be sure to be treated well, because these types of women are good, acceptable versions of women who don’t unsettle anyone.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

Swift’s piece was taking the uncaring attitudes of the british towards the poor Irish and magnifying it slightly to highlight it. The proposal was “modest” because it was the exact sort of uncaring-to-the-point-of-inhuman attitude that was already present.

Satire works, in part, by making some point to another group. Self-satire (in the way of Swift) doesn’t work because, presumably, you understand the point being made and would have already modified your own beliefs.

I can’t see any way Roosh’s piece could be anything but self-satire, if it were to be satire at all. If not satire, then it’s basically just saying horrible shit and slapping a “just kidding, not really” at the end.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Wouldn’t this make it legal to break into someone’s house and rape them?

Wouldn’t it make it legal to rape someone at work if your place of employment isn’t open to the public?

What the fuck?

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
10 years ago

Oh hey! I have a modest proposal. It’s time for the government to stop coddling bad hygiene. Let’s force people who don’t wipe their asses to take responsibility by imposing mandatory jail sentences for skidmarks and dingleberries.

(Klingons on cat bloomers shall be exempt.)

Bina
Bina
10 years ago

Oh! And let’s also stop coddling the dudes who complain about having to prune their nose hairs, or about how they have to deodorize their armpits. Any dude heard kvetching about the burdens of basic hygiene and grooming is banished to Siberia and declared Permanently Off Market.

How ’bout them apples?

contrapangloss
10 years ago

Nah, let’s banish them to Aziak Island.

I wouldn’t want to inflict them on any nice folks in Siberia, after all.

Catalpa
Catalpa
10 years ago

Um… I’m not very familiar with property jargon and everything, but isn’t ‘private property’ classified as anything that isn’t owned by the government? Just because things like grocery stores and cafes are open to the public (during certain hours), doesn’t mean they’re publically owned. Those are private property too, I’m pretty sure,

So basically Roosh is saying that women can never stray from government-owned sites and facilities, or they can be raped with impunity.It’s not a matter of stepping into a bedroom; pretty much anywhere indoors is classified as private property, short of like, courtrooms and stuff.

Additionally, if this law legalizes rape but not assault, women could technically be charged for trying to fight back against people attempting to rape them. Lovely. Excuse me while I go find a bucket to puke into.

Kestrel
Kestrel
10 years ago

Why is it that these guy’s always think the government is coddling women by making rape illegal? Doesn’t it infantilize men to assume that they can’t stop themselves from raping every woman they come across? Every human being is entitled to being secure in their person. Every survivor need to be believed and supported. Full stop.

wordsp1nner
wordsp1nner
10 years ago

So my first thought on his “so she’ll go meet his parents first” was “Oh, joy! Now his dad can rape her with impunity as well!” Since she is in their house, or a house, or some other private property…

Something makes me think Roosh doesn’t understand the implications of his plan.

suffrajitsu
suffrajitsu
10 years ago

At first, I read “rape on private property” as “raping is okay when the woman in question is the man’s private property”. What Roosh meant is only marginally less horrible (but, astonishingly, possibly even less logical–seriously, are you only allowed to rape on your own private property, or can you rape women on their private property? Why does it matter if the property in question is privately owned at all???), but that phrasing did make me think of American chattel slavery, where slave women were legally treated as private property, and raping them was perfectly legal. But of course slaveowners never raped their slaves, of course. Because making rape legal makes it disappear obviously.

@Kirbywarp: actually, I could conceive of someone writing an article like this as legitimate satire…of the MRAs and other rape apologists. “Blaming rapists for raping is excusing women’s responsibility for being raped! Therefore, legalize rape!” But that’s all I got. Quick way to tell if someone’s an asshole: using “satire” to mean “anything abhorrent that’s totally okay, because I thought it was funny.”

Aunt Edna
Aunt Edna
10 years ago

Jesus effing Krist… There is no bottom to this creep’s and his fellow redpillian travelers’ depravity, is there.

Catalpa
Catalpa
10 years ago

I could see some kind of ‘satire’ along the lines of “I have the perfect solution to eliminate rape! We will now and forevermore call intercourse against the will of one of the participants ‘ikorubiax’, and not rape. Therefore, all rape will disappear! You’re welcome, feminists!”

But even if this was supposed to be satire, it doesn’t even make sense, because making rape legal won’t end rape, just like making drinking legal again (post-prohibition) didn’t end drinking in the States.

samantha
10 years ago

Oh GOODY! According to this poor excuse for a human being, I and all women can look forward to the free life of being at home, under lock and key.

And Roosh and all his little friends wonder why we neither like nor trust them. I have a better idea – why not require all men to stay at home behind locked doors, since they are the ones doing the raping and the war-making? Maybe it should be the NON-rapey people who walk free…now, THERE is an idea!

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

Roosh’s problem isn’t that women are too coddled and infantilized. It’s that they have autonomy

^ THIS. This cuts straight to the core of his resentment and hate.

respectsexwork
10 years ago

Reblogged this on respectsexwork.

M.
M.
10 years ago

Doesn’t it infantilize men to assume that they can’t stop themselves from raping every woman they come across?

Yep. For all their screaming that everything from rape laws and women’s suffrage to hard chairs and hair dye are misandry… MRAs are genuinely misandristic. We consider men to be people with self-control and emotions other than rage, they consider men to be angry hair-trigger monsters who rape everything in the area at the first sign of a boob.

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

I’m usually in bed ny 9. What are other people listening to tonight? I’m in a Nikki, Beyonce, Jeffery Star, Natalia Killz sort of mood.

Ashley
10 years ago

I don’t normally read his stuff, but I did read his post yesterday and was hoping it was (poor) satire.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

I’m watching The Princess Bride. It’s a great anecdote to Roosh’s romper room fuckery.

Boogerghost
Boogerghost
10 years ago

It’s things like this that bring me to my senses whenever I start to think that maybe criticizing extreme examples of misogyny is an unhelpful guilty pleasure. It’s actually really good training for the identification of more everyday biases. People like Roosh wear their misogyny on their sleeves. They are the misogyny within us all, writ large. Roosh expresses this stuff as an extremist, and most people (I hope) find him asinine at best, but plenty share his basic assumptions deep down –

that droves of women simultaneously seek out and feel shame about casual sex,

that to consent to one thing is to consent to all things,

that legal consent is mysterious and elusive,

that it’s really just the lack of a “no,”

that a woman’s body is inherently tempting like a big pile of cash,

that it is her responsibility to spend herself “well,”

that there’s even such a thing as doing that,

that recreational sex is transactional rather than collaborative,

that rapists are strangers,

that their involvement in the rape is negligible compared to the victim’s…

and other such lovely notions.

Tessa
10 years ago

Ashley:

I don’t normally read his stuff, but I did read his post yesterday and was hoping it was (poor) satire.

You’d think so, but well, if Jonathan Swift was known to eat the occasional child, I might question whether A Modest Proposal wasn’t actually a wish of his, rather than satire.

suffrajitsu
suffrajitsu
10 years ago

@lea: rn I’m listening to Thao & The Get Down Stay Down. I’d also suggest Janelle Monae.

suffrajitsu
suffrajitsu
10 years ago

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

I love Janelle Monae. Because of her, Pink and Peeky Blinders I had to get a pompadour.