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MEMESPLAINING: Women hate rape because it doesn't allow them to "monetize" their vaginas [TW, obviously]

Found on Roosh V's blog.
Found on Roosh V’s blog. Click for larger version.

If you have something terrible to say, say it with a meme!

That, at least, seems to be the consensus of some of the worst people on the internet. So I’m starting a little occasional series called “memesplaining” in which I’ll highlight some of the most nonsensical and/or horrific memes I run across on the internet. Today’s is both.

I found the lovely meme above pasted into the comments on the blog of everyone’s favorite rapey, racist “pickup artist” Roosh Valizadeh. I don’t know where it originated, but a quick image search reveals that it’s been making the rounds on 4chan and Reddit.

Here’s the text at a more readable size . I highlighted the worst bits, but then again pretty much the entire thing could be classified as “the worst bits.”

haterape1

And gosh, it turns out that whoever made this awful meme is as dismissive of the female rape of men as he is of the male rape of women.

haterape2

Somehow I imagine he’s not quite so keen on rape when men are raped by other men — even though by his logic it’s also “objectively … merely inserting an object into [his] body.”

I feel bad for the people who model for stock photos. I’m sure most of them have no idea that they’ll end up getting used to illustrate crap like this.

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ej
ej
5 years ago

@Kakanian
Are there any more seats on the Nopeocopter?

Falconer
5 years ago

@Misha: Wasn’t that the guy who came here for, like, a week around the big AVFM con last May, and kept trying to get us to go visit his website?

Kootiepatra
5 years ago

Jumping on the nope train.

Hambeast (formerly twincats)
Hambeast (formerly twincats)
5 years ago

I can play this game too: Men do not *need* sex with women (or other men, or anyone else if that’s their fancy.) Objectively, touching another person is not required to have an orgasm. So men need to stop getting so bent out of shape about women who don’t want to stimulate their genitals or otherwise be a party to their orgasms just because they feel entitled to that.

I’d join in the ragepuking, but one of the things in life I hate the very most is vomiting. I will beat a hasty retreat if anyone else in my vicinity is doing so; I’m nearly phobic about it.

Even so, I’d much prefer being afflicted with projectile vomiting followed by the dry heaves than being raped, thanks very much.

M.
M.
5 years ago

Oh Christ, one of the commenters on Misha’s link is John Allman, the abusive asshole who doxxed his own son while spamming his shitty blog here. More nope GIFs required.

Misha
Misha
5 years ago

@Falconer, did he? No way, the guy’s an infamous shit weasel. He thinks we live in a PC-plagued society.

Imma go find it. Need a laugh after all the nope.

idledillettante
5 years ago

Did anyone notice the weird disclaimer written on the side of the meme? It starts right above the right shoulder of the pouty lady wearing the tiara; it’s so faint I thought it was a watermark. But it says:

[blockquote]”This image is about normal/typical rape (heterosexual, average looking average healthy rapist etc.)”[/blockquote]

WTF is a “normal/typical rape” in the meme writer’s mind? Is is that stranger-in-the-bushes scenario all men seem to think of as “typical rape”, or is it something else?

And why does the rapist have to “average looking” and of average health? Is it some catch-all to cover the rapes perpetrated by devilishly handsome and deathly ill men? If your rapist happens to be diabetic, is the rape no longer “typical”?

It’s kind of lulzy that the writer defines a typical rape in terms of the characteristics of the rapist. Not the victim, or the relationship those two people have together, or whether drugs or alcohol are involved.

But then, to admit that most would-be rapists provide their victims with alcohol so they won’t be believed later is *actually* what rape culture is. I can’t expect some meme writer who hates women to really comprehend that.

Spindrift
Spindrift
5 years ago

@ Idledillettante

I expect the average health thing is in regard to STIs etc

Wetherby
5 years ago

Wasn’t that the guy who came here for, like, a week around the big AVFM con last May, and kept trying to get us to go visit his website?

He did indeed. Got banned for spamming and being boring, as I recall.

Christina Nordlander
5 years ago

What in the actual fuck. This may be the vilest thing you’ve ever blogged about.

That bit about women raping men at the end stood out a bit. It says that rape is no big deal to men (at least as long as it’s not perpetrated by another man), because men consider themselves to have a value “that consists of more than just holes and body parts”. Whew, I feel a bit faint after typing that. So… having a sense of self-worth means that you’re OK with having your bodily autonomy violated?

Also, seconding what everyone else has said about “it’s just putting an object in your body”. Heck, the *only* time I can imagine that it’s OK to sticking an object in someone else’s body without their consent would be in the case of acute surgery where the patient is unconscious.

Falconer
5 years ago

Well, apparently Mr. Buchanan didn’t just stumble across us. David mentioned him a couple of times because he was going to be speaking at the AVFM conference.

Falconer
5 years ago

@idledilettante: “normal/typical rape” What the fuck kind of escape clause is that?

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ Falconer

This is the old “Real rape = man jumping out of bushes with knife and balaclava” syndrome.

Hence, “You don’t need to teach us not to rape, we know that”

Getting girls drunk, sex whilst unconscious, threats and intimidation etc. Well, that’s not ‘real’ rape. You know, the sort that shuts down your ovaries or something.

Michael Kelly Miecielica

I think we are over looking that even if you grant the “logic” (which we should not do because gross) of the meme, it follows that theft is no big deal, which is another layer of fail.

davidknewton
davidknewton
5 years ago

Jesvm Christvm. Sometimes, you have to ask yourself if you’re seeing the worst thing ever, the bottom of the barrel – I think this might be it. “Inserting an object”!!! Just an object – a non-thinking inconsequential object called an “alpha” male. You bouquet of thrushwallets.

sunnysombrera
5 years ago

The fuck does a rapists looks have anything to do with it? I thought that according to MRA rape culture it’s women who get raped/not raped for their appearance?

sunnysombrera
5 years ago

@Alan

Perfectly said. It’s also how they manage to argue that “rape is rare/most accusations are false” with a straight face.

M.
M.
5 years ago

If MRAs had any self-awareness at all, claiming that there’s no such thing as rape or rape culture then nodding along to “Normal/typical rape” would cause them to vanish in a puff of logic.

… Well, that and fifty thousand other things.

Inez Milholland
Inez Milholland
5 years ago

Insane troll logic is insane.

“Women are preoccupied with holes!” say the men preoccupied with women and holes…

Falconer
5 years ago

You bouquet of thrushwallets.

Oooh, nice one.

sunnysombrera
5 years ago

@M

They also think that rape culture is something that it actually isn’t. Hence why they deny it but admit that “real” rape exists.

sunnysombrera
5 years ago

If men value themselves outside of their genitals then why do a certain number of them take such an ego hit when they’re sexually rejected?

GiJoel
GiJoel
5 years ago

So, do guys hate prison rape because they can’t monetise their arseholes?

I’ll be in the angry room, if you need me.

sparky
sparky
5 years ago

Of course this monstrosity is from Roosh’s site. Of course it is.

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

It always comes down to these men being enraged that women can say “No”.

To anything really, but most of all it pisses them off that women can say “No” to sex with them and “Yes” to whoever they like.

10knives
10knives
5 years ago

“monetise their pussy”

Gee, this drop kick sounds like he’s okay with depriving someone of their right – RIGHT – to support themselves with a livilihood without fear of goddamn thieves sabotaging their business.

You know what that sounds like, children?

That’s right! COMMUNISM!! *dun dun dun*

How much is Stalin petting you on the head to say these things, Comrade Roosh?

(Go to hell, Roosh, fucking hell.)

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

Underpinning it all is the atrocious assumption that not being raped is a privilege, an entitlement of spoiled, pampered princesses.

sunnysombrera
5 years ago

Jesus, Buttercup, you’re right. In fact, it also seems to be underpinned with the idea that men who have consensual sex with women are being secretly controlled or screwed over by them, and rape is the “alpha” thing to do instead.

So I second whoever said that of course this was posted on Roosh’s site.

misty
misty
5 years ago

I’m sure when this guy refers to a man being raped by a woman, he’s thinking of some woman who looks like the one in his meme. I’m pretty sure that if he were forced by a woman he considered fat/ugly/old/smelly/drug-crazed, he might find that he hates it as much as a woman would.

It’s like they only think attractive women are fuckable, that those are the only women who are capable of sex with them. Anyone else is sexually invisible to them; just targets for ridicule and disgust. So it’s understandable that they discount those women in their “I wouldn’t mind being raped” rants.

I don’t know where exactly I’m going with this. It just strikes me as very arrogant to assume that if they were ever a rape victim, it would be at the hands of someone they wouldn’t find unappealing. Like the fatties wouldn’t dare to touch them. It could never really happen in their minds so there no real danger, no threat of being forced to do something actually personally repugnant, so they don’t think of what it would actually be like.

I also wonder how many of them think they would get to “finish” if they were ever in that situation? Or assume there would be no acts they didn’t dislike (“Only betas get pegged”)? Yeah, sure they wouldn’t hate being raped.

On a side note, my phone’s Swype is very prim. I cannot get it to read “sex”, so I have to type it in. Sadly, I didn’t have to do the same for “fatties”.

Ellesar
5 years ago

Bizarrely enough ‘monetizing pussy’ is a LITTLE BIT like the radical feminist view of the 70s – ie that in hetero relations a woman’s sexual behaviour is given a value by the patriarchy, ergo it was vital to not be part of that. The radfem solution was political lesbianism (for those who were 100% hetero) – I think this is where the comparison breaks down!

I can honestly say that no one has EVER treated me like a princess. It doesn’t automatically happen because of being girls or women. Many of us are not considered worth it for a start (some of us are just scoring too low for the average misogynist). Whether I was or not was not the issue for me, I have a very strong personality, intellect and physique, and ‘princessing’ was the LAST thing on my mind.

I don’t really want to comment on the ‘we only complain about rape because’ stuff because it really is sickening. I think that I will just say that I have known many women who were raped, and many women and a couple of men who were sexually abused as children, and trivialising it is about the cruelest and nastiest thing a person can do. That Roosh has done this is of course not at all surprising.

Cavalluccio Marino
Cavalluccio Marino
5 years ago

@Lea:

It always comes down to these men being enraged that women can say “No”.

To anything really, but most of all it pisses them off that women can say “No” to sex with them and “Yes” to whoever they like.

QFT. The idea of not being in full control of an encounter – including the other person’s feelings – seems to frighten them so much.

@Buttercup:

Underpinning it all is the atrocious assumption that not being raped is a privilege, an entitlement of spoiled, pampered princesses.

Sweet baby Cthulu, I can barely fathom the ways in which these guys’ minds work.The thought that there may be men (and some women) who think like this in South Africa (where I live) is unsettling. According to Interpol, SA was named the rape capital of the world in 2012 [TW]: http://www.news24.com/Multimedia/South-Africa/SA-named-world-rape-capital-20120420

Cavalluccio Marino
Cavalluccio Marino
5 years ago

@Ellesar:

… trivialising it is about the cruelest and nastiest thing a person can do.

^This. I cannot help but feel so angry when people trivialise rape, especially those who say stuff such as “We raped that comment thread”. [That example is similar to something I saw on a Facebook comment thread.] My first boyfriend was raped as a child. There isn’t a damned thing funny or trivial about that.

10knives
10knives
5 years ago

“I can honestly say that no one has EVER treated me like a princess.”

A fun exercise;
1) Ask one of these chumps what it means to be “treated like a princess”.
2) Note down their answer.
3) Keep an eye on their future rhetoric regarding women.
4) Cry gentle tears for the poor goalpost that is forced to be move all across the state like it’s the goddamn Trail of Tears.

alysonmiers
5 years ago

Someone has never actually asked a male rape survivor with a female assailant how he felt about the experience. Or they asked, but refused to listen because it mucks up their narrative of consent being an obstacle.

Cyberwulf
Cyberwulf
5 years ago

Right, can we throw this meme at the next piece of shit who derails a discussion of women being raped by piping up with “BUT MEN GET RAPED TOO”?

Cyberwulf
Cyberwulf
5 years ago

@alysonmiers – Cracked recently ran an article based on an interview with an anonymous man who had been raped by a woman. They had to disable the comments, they were that bad.

Aunt Edna
Aunt Edna
5 years ago

Wow.

Aunt Edna
Aunt Edna
5 years ago

I know a man who was raped by his so-called “GF.” The trauma of the experience changed him forever, and not in good ways.

Ellesar
5 years ago

10knives – I did think that as I wrote that. WHAT is being treated like a princess anyway?! But even if they could come up with SOME kind of coherent and consistent definition I am pretty sure that the majority of women and girls are not being treated like that. Not that I would ever want to be, I hasten to add – I can only see ‘princessing’ as being put on a pedestal and considered to be far too delicate to really engage in the real world, and I am NOT a piece of china!

Misha
Misha
5 years ago

This. I cannot help but feel so angry when people trivialise rape, especially those who say stuff such as “We raped that comment thread”.

For a while it was considered the ‘cool’ thing to say, especially when I was at uni and working in student bars. For all I know it still is. (TW for yuck ahead). Saying “I completely raped that” after downing a pint or, again, “I raped their facebook status”.

And then if you challenge it you’re the one given considerable side-eye for being the language police or way-over-the-top PC. “Just joking, gawd”.

Wetherby
5 years ago

The first MRA I ever encountered online was the skin-crawlingly loathsome Norwegian rape apologist Eivind Berge, who in addition to minimising male-on-female rape also seemed convinced that male sex abuse survivors were “lucky” – to the extent that he’d even gatecrash support forums for such survivors to explain to them just how lucky they were. (Obvious TW attached to that link.)

Five years or so ago, I assumed that this made Berge such an extreme outlier that he barely registered as a statistical blip. Sadly, David has repeatedly demonstrated on a more or less daily basis that this isn’t the case. But the fact that people can fervently express such demonstrably ridiculous views (even aside from the chilling lack of empathy) never ceases to astonish me.

Subtract Hominem, the Renegade Misandroid
Subtract Hominem, the Renegade Misandroid
5 years ago
Blll
Blll
5 years ago

Is there an MRA version of Poe’s Law? Because I’m having a really hard believing that -anyone- can actually believe something so profoundly stupid.

ryeash
5 years ago

@Subtract

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It’s super effective!

teiresias
teiresias
5 years ago

You know… this is one of those cases where I like to evaluate it on its own terms. Okay, let’s reduce rape to a theft-of-services problem like this graphic wants us to. Guess what — even by the writer’s sociopathic standards, rape is *still* wrong. Essentially, this argument is an admission of complete moral bankruptcy on the part of the writer.

Arctic Ape
Arctic Ape
5 years ago

Trigger warning, sarcastic discussion on rape

idledillettante:

Did anyone notice the weird disclaimer written on the side of the meme? It starts right above the right shoulder of the pouty lady wearing the tiara; it’s so faint I thought it was a watermark. But it says:

[blockquote]”This image is about normal/typical rape (heterosexual, average looking average healthy rapist etc.)”[/blockquote]

WTF is a “normal/typical rape” in the meme writer’s mind? Is is that stranger-in-the-bushes scenario all men seem to think of as “typical rape”, or is it something else?

The basic argument here seems to be that rape shouldn’t be a big deal because women routinely consent to sex with men, supposedly in exchange for some small socioeconomic rewards.

Hence the caveat “if the man isn’t particularly ugly or smelly or otherwise unattractive”. Also, “if the rapist isn’t particularly violent or STD-ridden then there’s no real harm done”. Basically, “if you can rape a woman in a way that’s plausibly indistinguishable from consensual sex (standard PIV assumed), then she’s just refusing on a whim.”

Never mind that she might actually feel strongly about her partner choice and sexual taste and bodily autonomy or that she might have her own opinions about your general attractiveness or that she might not know if you’re going to give her HIV or make her pregnant or kill her as afterplay or that you might actually physically hurt her while thinking you’re being a “reasonably” gentle rapist.

The rape is also specified as heterosexual, because women supposedly generally consent to sex with men, and vice versa, whereas male-male rape is different. Men don’t want to have sex with other men in any circumstances, especially if it involves anal penetration. Those who do can be conveniently dismissed, just like men and women who truly don’t want to have sex with the opposite gender, or anyone. Lesbian rape isn’t even on chart.

suffrajitsu
suffrajitsu
5 years ago

I’m not a man, but I’m pretty positive the vast majority of men would most emphatically not actually enjoy being raped, even by beautiful and sexy women. It’s such an insult to actual male rape victims and it’s made all the more disgusting by the fact that such male rape apologists (hilariously, initials were unintended) also complain female-on-male rape isn’t taken seriously enough. Of course they’re right on about the latter, but the hypocrisy is still mind-boggling.

@Cyberwulf: actually, Cracked chose to turn off the comments in advance because they anticipated the kind of shit they’d get. I have to say, as much as I was grateful for the point at the end calling out MRAs for using female-on-male rape as a point against feminism (and certain feminists who are overly dismissive of it), it’s still really fucking sad how much it had to be said. Good job, MRAs.