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I pointed out that some MRAs may have bought tens of thousands of fake Twitter followers. Then some kind soul bought me a thousand of my own.

Fake Twitter followers Also not such a great gift
Fake Twitter followers Also not such a great gift

So last week I pointed out that several A Voice for Menners, as well as one of #GamerGate’s E-list celebrities, had managed to amass impressive armies of fake Twitter followers — more than 70,000 amongst the four of them. Generally speaking, one does not get that many fake followers unless one literally buy them from the sort of sleazy people who make a living selling fake Twitter followers in order to make oneself appear more popular.

The next day some generous soul bought me well over a thousand fake followers to call my own. When I wrote my post, I had a bit more than 5000 followers. Now I have more than 7000, with most of the new additions obviously fake accounts with Russian names, a tiny handful of spammy Tweets to their credit, and pretty much zero followers of their own. Here are a couple of them:

fakefollower1 fakefollower2

I can only hope that Марков and Павел — and all my new Russian friends — are enjoying my incisive commentary on the issues of the day.

Whoever bought me the followers did the same to @UnseenPerfidy, one of the Twitter users who ran “Twitter Audits” on AVFMers in the first place, and, a bit more strangely, to feminist writer and activist Jaclyn Friedman, who had merely retweeted a link to my post on the subject.

So who bought us these fake followers, and why? Was it some troll just trying to be annoying? Or was it someone from AVFM, hoping that they could pull off some sort of fake “gotcha” by revealing that Jacklyn, @UnseenPerfidy and I all had fake followers?

The fact that whoever it was targeted Jaclyn as well as me and @UnseenPerfidy makes me think it was likely the latter; of all of the people who retweeted a link to my story, she’s the only one I know of  that AVFM has called a “fascist.”

As she put it, after being inundated with a flood of highly suspicious new followers,

Originally I was going to go through and block my obviously fake new followers. After blocking about half a dozen of them I discovered that this is a very, very boring way to spend your time.

So I will go back to putting three (or more) things in a row in Candy Crush Soda Saga instead.

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giliell
giliell
5 years ago

Well, it’s the cohort of people who prove that false rape accusations exist by making false rape accusations.
I think the idea is probably plausible deniability: Look, you didn’t buy your followers, someone else did, so it’s unfair to assume we bought ours ourselves

theomegaconstant
5 years ago

I’m just amazed they have enough money lying around after their latest fedora-and-Axe body spray shopping spree.

Ælfscýne
Ælfscýne
5 years ago

How much does that cost?
I wish they gave money to organisations that actually help men instead (A Voice for Men not qualifying here).

amandanavas
5 years ago

I am not sure if this works (I don’t use twitter) but take a look at these pages for removing fake accounts:

http://followersbegone.com/

http://www.mastermindblogger.com/11-twitter-cleaner-tools-to-get-rid-of-spams/

There are others so probably just have a look around and find one that works for you 😉

Declan
Declan
5 years ago

I must admit, I was looking forward to this one ever since you mentioned it on Twitter. I follow Unseen Perfidy and I saw him talking about it, but I didn’t realise it happened to a third person. When I think of the things that could have been done with that money.

katz
5 years ago

Add “bulk actions involving fake accounts” to the features Twitter should add.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

What a stupid thing to waste money on. I guess men aren’t so oppressed after all if they have the money to spend on this.

lkeke35
5 years ago

See! This is what people are talking about. These people’s complete lack of priorities. All that money could’ve been used to donate to a homeless shelter or Mens Crisis Center, anything the ACTUALLY helps men. Instead, they use the money to try to make their opponents look bad of for some kind of gotcha moment.

mistressoflarry
mistressoflarry
5 years ago

I think my previous comment got stuck in moderation.

It’s only $1 for 1,000 or $5 for 10,000 followers from my brief google search. But yes, totally messed up priorities.

There’s apparently a bulk twitter-bot deleter at followerbegone dot com. You can paste their script in a do a massive bot flush. If you google “delete twitter followers” you’ll find the step-by-step article.

Octo
Octo
5 years ago

From what I understand, fake followers aren’t exactly expensive, which is exactly why this is such a common practice, so probably not a great deal of money was wasted here.

But yes, typical of the “human rights champions of the 21st century”, to basically plant fake evidence against other people, for a phony “the other side does it as well!” defence. And they think they’re the good guys?

Adam
Adam
5 years ago

@giliell That may be giving them a bit too much credit.
But in any event, the difference remains that when Dave and the others noticed they had fake followers, they said so.
What an amazingly absurd thing for a person to do with their day.

Hershele Ostropoler
5 years ago

Gilliel: I think that’s more thought than they put into it.

Cyberwulf
Cyberwulf
5 years ago

That’s still a dollar or five dollars that could have gone to prostate cancer research.

Octo
Octo
5 years ago

All that money could’ve been used to donate to a homeless shelter or Mens Crisis Center, anything the ACTUALLY helps men.

That’s still a dollar or five dollars that could have gone to prostate cancer research.

Doing something about those issues? Why? That would undermine their talking points! :p

andiexist
andiexist
5 years ago

There’s probably a fake-follower autoblocker around somewhere.

“Block all the eggs! Except Denny’s.” (The Denny’s CEO is an egg.)

davidknewton
davidknewton
5 years ago

If you want to get rid of them, I can probably whip up a script to do it – consider it a donation to the site 🙂 But what laughable pettiness!

Lady Mondegreen
Lady Mondegreen
5 years ago

Yeah, they were hoping for a “gotcha!” Sorry, kids, better luck next time.

They don’t seem to realise that even if David and the others had bought Twitter followers–which they didn’t!–it’s still a dishonest (and laughable) thing to do.

“You do it too!” aka “tu quoque” is a fallacy.

They’re not just jerks. They’re simple-minded and dishonest jerks.

maghavan
maghavan
5 years ago

FALSE FLAG! David Futrelle bought them himself just to impugn MRAs! FALSE FLAG!

Sorry, but no internet discussion of almost anything would be complete without someone making this accusation.

Please continue.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

Hey David, maybe you should post that AVfM has a suspicious surplus of chocolate. See if you can get them to buy you some.

Spindrift
Spindrift
5 years ago

@Buttercup
I wouldn’t eat any chocolate given by an MRA…

blue collar nerd
blue collar nerd
5 years ago

Dave I follow you for realzies.

RaikonL
RaikonL
5 years ago

freebsdgirl made an auto-blocker for gators, maybe she can make a similar tool for fake followers?

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

Somewhere in Russia, the real Pavel Markov and Ivan Zhukov are scratching their heads over this, wondering how they got turned into eggs…

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

@Spindrift David doesn’t have to eat it. The real point is getting them to waste their money. Which seems remarkably easy to do.

Xanthë
5 years ago

Purchasing large numbers of followers is not surprisingly against the Twitter rules ( https://support.twitter.com/articles/18311-the-twitter-rules ; see the first entry under the section on Spam ) however I would be fairly sure Twitter are aware some people purchase followers for targets they wish to harass; it becomes impossible to find the legitimate followers amidst all the spam.

Blocktogether might be another tool allowing you to block all these ‘egg’ accounts, assuming they are all the same as ‘Pavel’ and ‘Markov’.

Falconer
5 years ago

@maghaven:

Also STRAWMAN! You know, for that complete Internet feel.

yutolia
yutolia
5 years ago

So Ivan Markoff and Paul Zhukoff are finally getting with the program and following WHTM!

strivingally
5 years ago

So it seems as though MRAs would rather spend their time and money on cheap point-scoring against feminists than actually do something productive about the issues they profess to care about?

If unseenperfidy got hit too then perhaps it was Gators rather than MRAs. Of course that distinction is growing less meaningful day by day.

Kootiepatra
5 years ago

If unseenperfidy got hit too then perhaps it was Gators rather than MRAs. Of course that distinction is growing less meaningful day by day.

Yeah, it’s definitely beginning to feel like a “po-TAY-to, po-TAH-to” thing.

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
5 years ago

Not enough eye roll gif indeed

M.
M.
5 years ago

Weren’t a few of them trying to claim that Esmay etc couldn’t have bought fake followers because they didn’t know how to? So much for that excuse.

sparky
sparky
5 years ago

Oh, FFS, how immature.

genedaniell3
genedaniell3
5 years ago

If you ever happen to see an MRA acting in a mature matter, kindly let us know about it. It seems to me that refusal to grow up is their most consistent characteristic. (Maybe that’s why they don’t do so well in child custody determinations?)

suffrajitsu
suffrajitsu
5 years ago

I’m so used to stupid stunts from the MRM, but I’m honestly astounded someone actually *paid money* for this thing. Seriously??? It’s easy to rag on them for whining on the Internet instead of actual activism or donations, but that kind of makes sense–after all, actual work takes actual time and effort.

But no, turns out they’re perfectly willing to spend money for ‘men’s rights’…to prove an asinine point against a feminist blogger. Because one feminist blog pointing out MRAs are buying followers is the gravest threat to men today.

Falconer
5 years ago
ParadoxicalIntention
5 years ago

David, have you tried Dungeon Hearts? It’s a match-3 game with some Guitar Hero and RPG elements! It goes fast, so it’s challenging, but it’s also pretty fun!

http://www.devolverdigital.com/games/view/dungeon-hearts

You play as four warriors (A fighter, a mage, a monk and an archer) out to fight evil monsters, and the gems scroll along right to left on your screen, and you have to match three of them in order to attack. Though if you match more, you get stronger attacks and stuff too!

Best part? NO micropayments!
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On topic: This is a pretty lame (and obvious) attempt at a gotcha. I’m glad there’s blocker programs out there though.

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

If you ever happen to see an MRA acting in a mature matter, kindly let us know about it. It seems to me that refusal to grow up is their most consistent characteristic. (Maybe that’s why they don’t do so well in child custody determinations?)

Oh, probably. Otherwise the judge would have to award custody of them back to their ex-wives, who are trying to get rid of them precisely because they won’t be potty-trained at their age.

GrumpyOldMan
5 years ago

I mean, if you throw a tantrum in court, that’s not likely to impress a judge with your qualifications as a parent. Children are marvelous but they are not generally known for their parenting skills.

GrumpyOldMan
5 years ago

Frankly, women tend to win contested custody cases because they are, on the whole, more involved, better parents. But I have seen a great increase in men being involved with their children and improvement in their parenting skills over the last 50 years — which coincidentally (or not) has been the time of the most recent wave of feminism. I suppose that there has been some feminist somewhere who has thought that men being more involved with their children is a bad thing, but I have not heard of it.

freemage
5 years ago

GrumpyOldMan: Actually, I think that in ~contested~ cases, fathers are much more likely to win full custody than women. There’s just a massive number of cases where the fathers never try for so much as joint custody. This blog links to some of the studies that have been done: http://www.villainouscompany.com/vcblog/archives/2012/04/child_supportcu.html

Now, it’s often been suggested in discussions I’ve seen that fathers are often discouraged from seeking custody by their attorneys, under the outdated notion that the law is biased towards the mother (this WAS true until the 1970s, for the record–that’s when the courts moved from the ‘tender years’ doctrine that favored mothers to the ‘best interest of the child’ doctrine, which often favors the more financially stable parent–who is most often the father). However, that’s a case of poor legal representation at this point in time.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

“the ‘best interest of the child’ doctrine”

Ah, that’s what we have here in Blighty. I wonder which jurisdiction adopted it first.

Helen
Helen
5 years ago

You can block followers quickly using Followerwonk, or (I think) Justunfollow

GrumpyOldMan
5 years ago

Freemage: On the other hand, I am told that men are often advised to contest custody in order to get their exes to reduce their child-support requests, or they may do it just out of anger at having been left (if you leave me I’ll take the kids away from you) or something like that. I think it is very hard to draw conclusions from the statistics because the cases that actually get decided by the courts may not be (in fact, probably aren’t) representative of divorces in general — it may well be that the majority of cases that are seriously contested are ones in which there is a real question whether the mother is the better parent. Or it may be that the courts are overly sympathetic to men in trying to reverse the traditional bias toward women as primary caregivers. But in any case, it is clear that the “tender years” doctrine is dead.

Tracy
Tracy
5 years ago

EVEN MOAR EYEROLL

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Tracy
Tracy
5 years ago

Well that didn’t work.