For those coming here from the excellent Buzzfeed article on Paul Elam, here are some posts of mine that will give you an even fuller picture of this not only sleazy but dangerous man and the little army of fanatical assholes he has assembled to pester and often outright harass (mostly) women online.
Start here:
Paul Elam of A Voice for Men: In His Own Words
Aside from some of the information Buzzfeed found out about him, nothing is more damning to Elam than his own words.
Here are some posts on Elam’s peculiar approach to “activism,” which generally involves harassing individual women.
7 Tactics of Highly Effective Harassers: How A Voice for Men’s Internet Hate Machine works
Elam falsely accuses a random woman of trashing applications from white men while working for a college admissions office.
Elam Launches a Hate Campaign Against a College Student for Attending a Demonstration and Making Twitter Jokes
Paul Elam, you’re no MLK: A Voice for Men offers a $100 bounty for a clear photo of its latest feminist foe
Here’s a post on the phony “offenders registry” Elam and company put up in order to demonize feminists and other women they don’t like by posting unflattering profiles of them alongside actual female murderers and sex offenders.
Register-Her was a Fake “Offenders Registry” Run By Misogynists, Designed to Vilify and Intimidate Women
And here are a couple of posts on AVFM’s attempt to co-opt the name and the reputation of the White Ribbon anti-domestic violence campaign:
A Voice for Men has set up a phony White Ribbon website to coopt the international anti-violence campaign of that name — and raise some money using the name.
Some posts that quote Elam’s perverse justifications for violence against women:
Paul Elam: “If a woman five feet tall and 110 pounds soaking wet hits me, I am going to hit her back.”
She deserved the ass-kicking of a lifetime: Elam justifies violence against women in a disturbing short story
Paul Elam, you’re no Jonathan Swift
And then there was this:
Paul Elam, alleged human rights champion, tells me to kill myself
And a few, er, lighter reads on the man:
Elam to A Voice for Men conference goers: Don’t say terrible things about women in public, because someone might hear you
A Voice for Men’s Paul Elam and Dean Esmay explain the proper slurs to use for “nasty women.”
Elam: “This world deserves a jerk on the collar and a slap across the face and the flying spittle of rage.”
Elam on “stupid lying whores,” Rebecca Watson, and how he never claims to be a victim even though he totally is one.
(This last one is about a post he wrote attacking Skepchick founder Watson in which he used the word “whore” literally two dozen times.)
And there are more in the archives if you want to search for them.
I guess I kind of write about him a lot, huh?
Well, for better or worse, he’s the most prominent and influential Men’s Rights Activist out there. For now.
Yes, I think that’s a great idea, Christopher, name something that the MRM has actually done – not something they’ve said or that involves them saying things – to help men.
Yes. How are you this bad at logic?
Have you developed an objective method of ranking the helping of women on an individual basis? You should publish that shit!
But seriously, this claim is a fantastic example of “not even wrong”. It’s unfalsifiable and so vague as to be essentially meaningless. How do you know Pizzey has been more effective than, say, Gloria Steinem or Margaret Sanger or Wilma Mankiller? How do you even measure that? And have you actually looked at all the available data? All of it? Are you sure there’s not a single woman in Nigeria or Colombia or Vietnam who has accomplished more (by your arbitrary standard) than Erin Pizzey?
How can you possibly know this? Do you know all of our identities, let alone our biographies? Even the lurkers? I call bullshit. God, and you have the nerve to say we’re not providing solid arguments. You’re literally just throwing shit at the walls and hoping some of it sticks.
OK, but how many feminists do you actually know? You don’t seem to like them very much, so it’s unlikely you spend time with very many of them, which will tend to skew your sample size.
OMG, you’re such a fucking coward you won’t even admit to trying to insult people on the internet. There’s more courage in Audre Lorde’s left pinky finger than your entire being, you cowering little baby. I can’t even be annoyed with you; you’re too pathetic.
No, it isn’t. Because what you did there tells me you’re sloppy and lazy, and putting no effort at all into what you say here, other than to naa-naa and whine and call us mean for not wanting to engage with you. And because you cut off part of what you were trying to say, which undermines your whole argument and makes it look sloppy and lazy, DUH.
And if your poorly formulated opinions are what you spend a “lot of time and care in crafting”, well, I feel sorry for you, son. Because you sure wasted a lot of effort on something not worth the time of day.
What Bina said. Read it, then read it again, then read it again!
Ugh. Can we get him banned, please? He’s not even original, and he’s just keyboard vomiting all over the place. It’s gross.
An Incomplete List Of Words That Do Not Mean What Christopher Allman Seems To Think They Mean:
“Feminist”
“Socialist”
“Conservative”
“Mansplain”
“Anti-Male”
“Growing”
“Dying”
“Supremacy”
“Calm”
“Reasonable”
“Hundreds”
“First”
“Think”
oh my god this Christopher guy is hilarious! a nice troll visit always reminds us that we’re on the right side. <3
*chews popcorn while watching carnage*
(p.s. have we still got a personal thread happening somewhere? I have off-topic topics I'd like to have a chin-wag about)
Thirding the motion to ban. Unless his next post is a full scale meltdown, which I suspect it might be given his last few posts.
“1) You’ve parroted AVFM’s claim that the original White Ribbon is a scam and the source you’ve linked to for proof is…AVFM. You can’t cite the very people making an accusation as evidence that the accusation is true. Pretty sure there’s a logical fallacy in there somewhere. Try again.”
He’s genuinely begging the question, and a dozen other fallacies, but this one doesn’t look like a fun contesent for Spot! That! Fallacy! The anger to fallacy ratio is skewed too much towards frothing.
Guys, if you want someone banned, you need to email David. I can pass the request along but that still depends on me actually seeing it. Much faster and more efficient to email.
@ Argenti
Soooooo glad you identified the correct meaning of begging the question. I try not to be a grammar nazi but that one does bug me a bit.
Mind you, reminds me of that brilliant Mrs Merton question;
“So Debbie, what first attracted you to millionaire Paul Daniels? “
The funniest thing I’ve read all day! (Well, second funniest, maybe.)
I’ll go ahead and ban for tediousness and overposting, unless anyone really really wants to keep going with him.
(Oh, I checked and he’s not the guy with a kid. That was another guy named Allman,)
I’m sure with enough effort Christopher could convince some other reactionaries who have no idea how the world works that he’s right. Not here of course, but some place much sadder.
Alan, you weren’t here yet went I disapeared for awhile were you? I used to play Spot! That! Fallacy! gameshow style with the less frothy trolls, since they can really rack up points once they get started. Always fun since being called “my little fish monger” tends to piss them off right good, but if you’re going to peddle in herrings… *shrugs*
As for that question — “well, see, I wanted to know if he was related to Jack Daniels, and could maybe the whiskey a bit smoother” (Do you guys have JD over there? If not, it’s cheap whiskey, good for getting drunk, but not exactly good for drinking)
Try giving up copy pasta Christopher and write something you came up with for the first time in your life.
That’s because you’re incapable of thinking for yourself.
I would like to go on record that paul elam is not a good example of recovering alcoholics and addicts. Everything that we work to be, he’s doing the exact oopposite.
I generally enjoy the trolls here, but Christopher is just lackluster and repetitive. Could we give him a troll challenge? For example… he has to research the history of women’s shelters and tell us, correctly, when the first ones IN THE WORLD were opened, and by whom? (I know ppl have told him more than once, but he doesn’t actually read any replies to him)
He does have that general aura of “dry drunk” about him, that’s for sure. Even if he’s not drinking or using anymore, he obviously hasn’t changed any of his OTHER destructive behavioral patterns.
@Tina S, I’d say the only thing he’s a good example of is an all-around horrid awful crap human being. Nothing at all to do with substance abuse or recovery or his past abuse or anything other than his toxic personality and the choices he makes based on it.
Congrats on your recovery 🙂
*Offers Tina S. the secret recovery handshake*
No particular reason to think he’s a dry drunk. The violent and aggressive postings he regularly indulges in scream a guy who is regularly going off the wagon.
To anyone who is considering saying this: Don’t. It’s a hallmark of self-important dipsticks everywhere. For example, our recently departed troll Christopher.
In case he’s popping back in to cackle a bit, however: you’re not making history, mate. You, and those who think like you, are living in the past and are thoroughly convinced you’re in the present and are going to be part of the future, if only because you can’t imagine a future without yourselves or people who think like you. It’s narcissistic, trashy, and really, really short-sighted.
You’re mad because we don’t want to debate on demand, you’re mad we’ve heard all your bullshit before and have responded to it ad nauseum (if you’d bothered to look), and you’re mad we didn’t drop to our knees and worship the ground and the high horse you rode in on to grace us with your “wisdom”, or, as we noted, lack thereof.
We saw you dropping lies and ignorance, we called you out on it, and we openly mocked you on a mocking site. And yes, we are aware you’re going to go running back to your MRA dudebros and crow about how you “got us” and how awesome you are because we didn’t want to put up with your bullshit (because apparently that’s a “win” in a fight we aren’t participating in), but just know, we all know the truth of your sad, sad little existence.
You can sit behind your keyboard and pretend you’re all suave, intelligent and eloquent, but us feminists are not up for debating women’s lives, if only because most of us are women, and we’re tired of having to justify our existence and our grievances to the likes of you.
Enjoy your ban, shitstain.
http://sportsfan.decro.net/sites/default/files/round-of-applause-1.jpg
*takes a bow*
ParadoxicalIntention sez:
Making history up, on the other hand…
A. Noyd
Yeah…that kind of shit doesn’t fly when Google is so readily available. If you have the time to post, you have the time to Google your “facts”.