A Voice for Men’s ongoing campaign to convince the world that “Men’s Human Rights Activists” are a bunch of petty, malicious, sexually insecure douchenozzles continues apace.
I mean, that must be what they’re really up to, right? Because no one who actually had any real interest in human rights of any kind would produce “memes” like the one above and all the rest below, delivered to your eyes straight from AVFM’s Fcebook page.
At their best, AVFM’s memes are merely baffling …
… or ridiculous.
AVFM also loves appropriating the images of famous people, and pretending that these people are somehow on their side. But their choices of imaginary celebrity endorsers can be a bit, well, ironic. A couple of days ago in one of my posts on the iconography of the “Cultural Marxism” conspiracy theorists, I posted a neo-Nazi meme showing a crudely photoshopped picture of Star Trek’s Kirk and Spock endorsing Adolph Hitler — a rather odd conceit, given that William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy are both Jewish, and that the original Star Trek series promoted tolerance and a very 60s-liberal sort of multiculturalism.
Well, here’s AVFM’s attempt to make Spock an MRA:
Dudes, hate to break it to you, but Nimoy is actually a … feminist. Really. In the 60s he demanded that Star Trek’s producers pay actress Nichele Nichols the same as her male counterparts on the show. And as a photographer today, Nimoy acknowleges that he is heavily influenced by feminism, partiularly the writings of Jewish feminist Letty Cottin Pogrebin, one of the founders of Ms. magazine.
So that’s not really his “listening to feminism face” at all.
An astonishing number of AVFM’s memes are so sexualized that they are more or less soft-core porn. Even their anti-male-rape memes, ostensibly attempts to raise consciousness about the rape of men by women, feature seductive, scantily clad women, undermining whatever message they are supposed to be getting across.
But the most, er, revealing memes are the ones that hint at deep sexual insecurities on the part of the meme makers and those who “like” them on Facebook. (The images that follow are mildly NSFW.)
This meme, for example, actually features the dreaded vagina dentata:
[slightly risque meme removed]
And this one attempts to shame male feminists by suggesting they enjoy being penetrated, an act that’s really only “shameful” if you have some rather fucked-up notions of what is and what isn’t appropriate male sexuality. And a certain degress ofĀ hatred and fear of female sexual agency.
[slightly risque meme removed]
AVFM meme-maker John Galt also continues to be weirdly obsessed by me.
And then there’s this lovely meme, intended as a joke at the expense of a feminist activist who’s been on AVFM’s enemies list ever since she told some AVFM dudes to shut up at a demonstration several years ago. (I’ve crossed out her face, because no one really deserves to be made into an AVFM meme.)
[slightly risque meme removed]
The joke is obviously supposed to be at her expense, suggesting that she is so unattractive that she makes penises wilt. But you don’t have to be Sigmund Freud to realize that this isn’t the real story here. This is a woman demonized by AVFM and other antifeminists because once, several years ago, she shouted down some dudes. It’s not her appearance that frightens their penises; it’s the fact that she wouldn’t put up with their bullshit.
Guys, you’re not fooling anyone, except yourselves.
Funny how it’s always men who believe that gender based oppression doesn’t exist.
It’s almost like some men don’t actually listen to women or respect what we have to say. We make a huge list of ways in which women are marginalized, Dudeisms comes up with one thing men face that women don’t (in the west only) and draws the conclusion that men and women face equal amounts of sexism.
ā¦do you know what a straw man fallacy is? Cuz there definitely wasn’t one there. Unless you were very delayed in replying to me calling you an MRA, in which case whoops? Anti-feminist work better?
Why are you even here though? I mean, if you agree with all that, what are you here to disagree with? I am, quite frankly, confused. So please clue my undercaffeinated brain in, what’s your point here?
Like, are you seriously just trying to say that you’re for laws prohibiting race based discrimination, but calling said discrimination racism divides us? I am legitimately baffled.
Okay, always is hyperbolic. FeMRAs would agree that male privilege isn’t real.
Still, it’s generally men who are so sure that our experiences aren’t really misogyny. Blissfully unaware that it’s patriarchy teaching them that women are irrational and emotional and not to be taken seriously.
hahhaha I don’t believe ANYTHING you two have posted about me. There aren’t enough facepalms, lols, or smhs in the world.
doesn’t it mean anything to you that numerous women don’t give a shit about magazine covers, video games, porn, shirts, and movies? THAT is what I am referring to when I talk about “hysterical bullshit” from the feminist movement. They distract from issues like the republican congress nearly passing the 20 week abortion ban that would require women to have reported their rape immediately in order to get an abortion.
Wow, duerstisms, your use of “hahaha” and “lol” sure gives me the impression that you are detached and amused by this conversation.
Duerstims, are you going to actually address anyone’s comments, or are you just here to shout at us?
I wish there wasn’t so much bogging down and needless in fighting among liberals and progressives. While we debate on trivial bullshit on wp, conservatives get out the vote aggressively hardcore. I believe this is exactly why that smug reptilian shitstain, Scott Walker got elected, won a recall and got re elected in my home state of Wisconsin.
Also, I see you using “hysterical” repeatedly. No, you’re not sexist at all…
Oh, I love it when misogynists try to blame feminists for causing liberal infighting. ‘Cause your mainsplaining ass couldn’t be to blame, right?
Oh no. He’s in the state next to me.
Well, my hysterical bullshit filled feminist ass worked to reelect Mark Dayton. Somehow.
I’m going to need some actual evidence that feminists talking about porn or beauty standards is what caused Republicans to win. Here I thought it was more obvious culprits like too much big money in politics and gerrymandering and low turn out.
But no, it must be because we’ve mocked MRA memes.
Never mind that many of the people here aren’t even American.
You again, trollicus? You realize we can read, and scroll back, don’t you?
You also understand that I was being sarcastic, right? RIGHT?
Oh, what am I saying. MRAs are such humorless fucking gits, for all the “lol”s.
My take, our troll is a Jonathan Chait type. Progessivism always contained women and POC and LGBTQ people but they were expected to take a back seat to the straight white men who ran things. That’s starting to change and we’re starting to not allow casual racism, misogyny, homophobia etc anymore. Certain liberal white guys can’t take it. They expect to automatically be labeled one of the good guys simply because of political affiliation. They don’t like being asked to examine themselves and check their own privilege. They think they should be labeled an ally without doing any work for it.
@duerstisms,
The feminist movement also addressed the proposed bill banning abortion after 20 weeks and numerous other proposed abortion restrictions. Gosh, it’s almost like we can walk and chew gum at the same time.
SO. MANY. STRAWMEN.
I didn’t say that feminists were to blame for slimy republicans winning when they shouldn’t. I said that liberal in fiighting, and low turnouts on the part of liberals and progressives in non presidential elections was the problem.
It seems to me like I agree with most of what you people think, aside from trivial media portrayals of women and the NEED to self identify as “feminist.”
Yeah, while Mr. I’m-not-an-MRA-but-isms is busy grinding his gears about “hysterical bullshit” (and showing himself to be increasingly full of the same), feminists are actually out there in the real world, accomplishing things and getting shit done. Not just for women, but also for the benefit of “of course I’m a leftist, you fuckin’ harpies” dudes like himself.
And what are YOU doing with your life, trollicus?
I note in passing that this is the second troll we’ve had on here today who claims to be a progressive but whose words and deeds show otherwise.
it also seems like you people love to resort to immature name calling and don’t realize that that also ruins the fuck out your movement. I’ve been so fuckin nice is spite of your collective meanness.
Nope, still don’t get it. So liberals debating comparatively small things online results in conservatives pushing big things through DC?
Still confused, and fairly sure the only reptilian creature around here is my tortoise. But even he’s hiding currently, so the reptile count is rather low. I was trying, I really was, but I think any hope I had of figuring out dude’s point got lost somewhere around “smug reptilian shitstain”. Unlessā¦ did autocorrect decide republicans are reptilian?
I’m glad to know that when I was starving myself and purging and abusing laxatives (and I’m hardly the only one) in part because I hated myself for not looking like the media says I’m supposed to look it was only a trivial issue.
I’m glad that it’s no big deal that women di e, are disfigured and bankrupted getting plastic surgery to fit into rigid beauty standards.
Because if Dudeisms doesn’t think it’s important, it isn’t. We can all go home now that he’s here to tell us what to care about.
Yeah, why try to change the way that women are viewed in our society? It’s not like that’ll help better our lives at all.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&ved=0CAgQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsarcasm.link%2Fen%2Fs%2F79fbc7&ei=WMTWVMOnJJDcgwSxjoDYBw&psig=AFQjCNHyCubEiVa-Os-4h4E4vIgcWEvKzw&ust=1423447512679683
Because telling us we’re hysterical and ruining America is so nice. My heart is truly warmed by this fine gentleman who didn’t bother to read that this sight is for mocking misogyny. Not friendly debate or political activism.
WWTH — ack, I hope my “comparatively small things” didn’t come off as saying they aren’t important things.
Also, I’m sorry, and I hope you are well now.
Yes, aside from the hostility, mansplaining, misogyny, accusations, and refusal to actually engage in conversation, you’ve been perfectly nice.
Except no.
uhhh who FORCES women to undergo plastic surgery? is asking that question now considered “mansplaining?” “misogyny?” I didn’t say feminists were responsible for ruining America either. Strawman #9 trillion lol.
Also, “reptilian” is a colloquial term for sleazy, corrupt, rich politicians… I can’t believe I have to “mansplain” that XD
Feminist definition of “engaging in conversation” = completely and non critically agreeing with every last thing a feminist says.
Oh for fuck’s sake. When did I ever say anyone was physically forced to get cosmetic surgery? Are you really incapable of understanding how pressure and societal norms effect people? Do you not get that we don’t live in a vacuum? You really need to Google social science 101 before commenting again.
So much willful ignorance is on display. It’s just mind boggling. How does one live like that?
Yeah, because we can’t POSSIBLY be talking about both, right? We MUST only be talking about the one thing you see us talking about right now because it’s relevant to the conversation! [/sarcasm]
Look bruh. Not a fucking one of us is saying that we don’t also care about the abortion ban, nor has anyone said that they don’t have other areas they are currently focused on as well (My pet focus is sexism in gaming at the moment).
WE CAN TALK ABOUT BOTH IN DIFFERENT PLACES.
If I were to jingle my keys in front of your face, and then put them behind my back where you can’t see them, do they stop existing for you?
Yeah, because you just said that feminists don’t give a fuck about anything you think is important. Yup. Totally NOT our fault. [/sarcasm]
But you totally agree with us on so many things right? So we should stop being so mean to you and start agreeing with everything you have to say, because, hell, it’s not the first time I’ve had a man try to mansplain feminism to me and then demand I throw myself at his feet because he’s just so sympathetic to the cause. *gag*
There’s no “need” to self-identify as anything, least of all a feminist. I call myself an intersectional feminist because it’s the easiest way to tell people what I would like to change in society. Simple as that bruh. If other people decide they don’t want that label, that’s fine too.
Ah, the old Tone Policing argument. I certainly haven’t seen this pile of bullshit before! [/sarcasm]
Let me tell you a thing: No one listens to women when we’re “nice” and are willing to explain things. No one listens when we’re quiet and try to get your attention. No one listens when we’re sweet and polite. We only end up getting spoken over by men like you who continually assure us that you’re on “our side”, but then everything you do and say after that is completely contrary, leaving us in your shadow while you continue to do things that set us back and keep us down.
When we get angry, when we start mocking, when we get “bossy” and “bitchy” and “mean”, THAT’S when you listen. That’s when people pay attention. You want us to be nice? You should have listened when we were.
And no, you haven’t been “nice”. You’ve been a condescending, mansplaining, shouting bag of horse manure the entire time you’ve been here. You’re not “nice”. You’re a fucking asshole, so pull the other one, it has bells on it.
Shorter Troll:
“It’s impossible for these feminists that I supposedly agree with so much to care about more than one thing at a time! If I only see them talking about one thing, they must not be talking about this other thing that I think is more important, so I better stomp in there and tell them to pay attention to what I want them to pay attention to, because I am a straight white liberal dudebro, and I’M JUST SO FUCKING NICE! WHY ARE YOU ALL BEING SO FUCKING MEAN TO ME AND NOT AGREEING WITH EVERYTHING I’VE SAID?! I’ve only been a clumsily condescending fuckwit the entire conversation! STRAWMAN!”
Who wants to be the fourth person to explain what the word “manspaining” means? Cuz he apparently thinks we’d accuse him of it for answering a question.
And is this reptilian thing a thing I should’ve known or some regional thing or what?
In more interesting reptilian things, tomorrow is tortoise bath day, should I try and film it? All he really does is sit there and drink, pee, and then try climbing out (which is cute, but I need both hands to deal with him at that point).
Says the MRA-dudebro-who’s-totally-a-feminist-u-guis.
No one said you couldn’t be critical of feminism. We’re critical about feminism all the damn time, and yeah, we disagree with each other on occasion too.
You’re just being willfully ignorant. Different things.
Also, a conversation is where you engage people you’re speaking to (as I’m doing here), not just make a general post in the thread and not address anyone’s specific points because you love the sound of your keyboard.
@Argenti: Here, I pulled up Google for him:
https://www.google.com/search?q=definition+of+mansplaining&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
And here’s a helpful link to show you where I got it!
Yawn, trollicus. You’d give a better impression of actually being a progressive if you had the fuckingest idea of what feminism actually is, what feminists actually do, and how not to make a tedious ass of yourself in conversation with them.
And here I thought I’d applaud the post above mine, turns out I need a whole round of applause for PI!
Let’s see if he gets it. And that, uh, oops! But just answering then question would’ve been, you know, how conversations works, I think, right? And what he did, umā¦ not so much on avoiding being condescending.
Or even replying to things others have said, which would meet just about everyone’s definition of the term. Or is that too high a bar for you to clear?
I think I just found a picture of trollicus in action…
Well, crap. Here’s a linky.
duerstisms, your opinions aren’t anywhere near as interesting as you evidently think they are. And pretty much everything you’re posting makes me think of some belligerent drunk dude talking over everyone at a party. Be more interesting, or less belligerent, or I’m inclined to give you a timeout.
“I’m not an MRA, I just happen to be referencing multiple specific MRA wank topics.”
Has duerstisms ever explained how mocking these memes are “misandry?” Or pointed to anything in the OP or the comments that was “misandry?”
Or did duerstisms just start going off on completely unrelated tangents when challenged? And everytime ze is refuted, ze brings up something else without responding to rebuttals?
I bet it’s been option #2 with duerstisms, right?
So I decided to risk clicking his nym, and it’s a brand new WP. So shiny you can read all of it. And verdict is in folks, “feminists” (his quotes) only stopped taking selfies long enough to pretend to care about man-spreading once the media picked up on it. I’m not sure how that works, but I’m still on my first cup of coffee. In any case, I’m fairly sure not having to squish into a seat with a stranger’s leg pressing into you is not a “non-issue”. I’d like the full 18″ of my tiny seat, thanks. Makes it easier to keep my Bag Of Many Things out of the way of everyone who doesn’t need an umbrella, band aid, usb speaker (it’s tiny, and yes, I have had people ask to use it), tiny sewing kit, breath mint strip things, ALL THE CABLES, etc
Reminds me, I need to restock my chocolate, having emergency sugar does fuck all good if it’s so old that it’s turned to powder.
Honest freebie piece of advice from my webdev side dude? Go into your WP panel, click appearance — widgets, and delete the meta one. Having your login front facing like that is a nice easy to fix security hole, so go fix it.
i’ll post my actual FULL article on “manspreading” so you can at least quote it accurately from now on: https://duerstisms.wordpress.com/2015/01/21/stop-the-spread-of-stop-the-spread-of-manspreading/
You feminists are gonna fuck’ LOVE this! XD
Also dont’cha think the $76,000 of taxpayer money spent on that manspreading b.s. could have been more legitimately spent on a woman’s shelter, donation to Planned Parenthood, or donation to Hilary’s presidential campaign?
Yes, dude, we all definitely plan to visit your blog.
I’ve gotten at least 50 views since i started posting on here, KATZ! XD
duerstisms , do you decided to do the exact opposite of what i said? Ah well, enjoy your own blog then, you’re boring everyone here with your super duper original arguments. .
Wow, 50 page views. Finally you can retire and leave this life of trolling.
(Thanks, David. Nothing interesting here.)
I’m just going to save everyone the trouble: http://www.donotlink.com/dlbp
Here’s Trollicus’ blog page he linked in case you wanted to check it out without giving him page views. :3
Wait a minute. He expects tax money to go to a political campaign? As lax as our campaign finance laws are, that is definitely not allowed.
And I looked over his blog via the donotlink url. Dude’s an MRA, whether he knows it or not.
I doubt someone who agrees with feminist views would ever tag a blog post “feminazi” or whine that people are complaining about men spreading their legs way too wide for public transport, right next to articles decrying male circumcision and calling Nancy Grace (who I’m not fond of either), an “uneducated, insufferable moron”.
Or come in here with the “You’re not focusing on things *I* want you to focus on!” whine.
I’m just going to confirm our theory that he’s here in bad faith and is an insufferable prick.
Also, your blog is unoriginal and bad and you should feel unoriginal and bad, dude.
Actually, if Trollicus had bothered to do his damn research, the project is being headed by the MTA, the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, who are NOT a government agency. Rather, they are a Public Benefit Corporation, and thus, privately owned.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/01/05/mta-to-launch-campaign-aimed-at-curbing-manspreading-on-public-transit/
Also, here’s another fun link:
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/i-need-to-sit-that-way-because-of-my-balls–and-6-other-misguided-defences-of-manspreading-on-public-transport-9976792.html
I really don’t understand why men are throwing hissy fits because we expect them to be fucking polite and decent when out in public. It’s almost like they don’t want to be polite to anyone that doesn’t immediately benefit them by dispensing sex.