A Voice for Men’s ongoing campaign to convince the world that “Men’s Human Rights Activists” are a bunch of petty, malicious, sexually insecure douchenozzles continues apace.
I mean, that must be what they’re really up to, right? Because no one who actually had any real interest in human rights of any kind would produce “memes” like the one above and all the rest below, delivered to your eyes straight from AVFM’s Fcebook page.
At their best, AVFM’s memes are merely baffling …
… or ridiculous.
AVFM also loves appropriating the images of famous people, and pretending that these people are somehow on their side. But their choices of imaginary celebrity endorsers can be a bit, well, ironic. A couple of days ago in one of my posts on the iconography of the “Cultural Marxism” conspiracy theorists, I posted a neo-Nazi meme showing a crudely photoshopped picture of Star Trek’s Kirk and Spock endorsing Adolph Hitler — a rather odd conceit, given that William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy are both Jewish, and that the original Star Trek series promoted tolerance and a very 60s-liberal sort of multiculturalism.
Well, here’s AVFM’s attempt to make Spock an MRA:
Dudes, hate to break it to you, but Nimoy is actually a … feminist. Really. In the 60s he demanded that Star Trek’s producers pay actress Nichele Nichols the same as her male counterparts on the show. And as a photographer today, Nimoy acknowleges that he is heavily influenced by feminism, partiularly the writings of Jewish feminist Letty Cottin Pogrebin, one of the founders of Ms. magazine.
So that’s not really his “listening to feminism face” at all.
An astonishing number of AVFM’s memes are so sexualized that they are more or less soft-core porn. Even their anti-male-rape memes, ostensibly attempts to raise consciousness about the rape of men by women, feature seductive, scantily clad women, undermining whatever message they are supposed to be getting across.
But the most, er, revealing memes are the ones that hint at deep sexual insecurities on the part of the meme makers and those who “like” them on Facebook. (The images that follow are mildly NSFW.)
This meme, for example, actually features the dreaded vagina dentata:
[slightly risque meme removed]
And this one attempts to shame male feminists by suggesting they enjoy being penetrated, an act that’s really only “shameful” if you have some rather fucked-up notions of what is and what isn’t appropriate male sexuality. And a certain degress ofĀ hatred and fear of female sexual agency.
[slightly risque meme removed]
AVFM meme-maker John Galt also continues to be weirdly obsessed by me.
And then there’s this lovely meme, intended as a joke at the expense of a feminist activist who’s been on AVFM’s enemies list ever since she told some AVFM dudes to shut up at a demonstration several years ago. (I’ve crossed out her face, because no one really deserves to be made into an AVFM meme.)
[slightly risque meme removed]
The joke is obviously supposed to be at her expense, suggesting that she is so unattractive that she makes penises wilt. But you don’t have to be Sigmund Freud to realize that this isn’t the real story here. This is a woman demonized by AVFM and other antifeminists because once, several years ago, she shouted down some dudes. It’s not her appearance that frightens their penises; it’s the fact that she wouldn’t put up with their bullshit.
Guys, you’re not fooling anyone, except yourselves.
Feminist definition of “engaging in conversation” = completely and non critically agreeing with every last thing a feminist says.
Oh for fuck’s sake. When did I ever say anyone was physically forced to get cosmetic surgery? Are you really incapable of understanding how pressure and societal norms effect people? Do you not get that we don’t live in a vacuum? You really need to Google social science 101 before commenting again.
So much willful ignorance is on display. It’s just mind boggling. How does one live like that?
Yeah, because we can’t POSSIBLY be talking about both, right? We MUST only be talking about the one thing you see us talking about right now because it’s relevant to the conversation! [/sarcasm]
Look bruh. Not a fucking one of us is saying that we don’t also care about the abortion ban, nor has anyone said that they don’t have other areas they are currently focused on as well (My pet focus is sexism in gaming at the moment).
WE CAN TALK ABOUT BOTH IN DIFFERENT PLACES.
If I were to jingle my keys in front of your face, and then put them behind my back where you can’t see them, do they stop existing for you?
Yeah, because you just said that feminists don’t give a fuck about anything you think is important. Yup. Totally NOT our fault. [/sarcasm]
But you totally agree with us on so many things right? So we should stop being so mean to you and start agreeing with everything you have to say, because, hell, it’s not the first time I’ve had a man try to mansplain feminism to me and then demand I throw myself at his feet because he’s just so sympathetic to the cause. *gag*
There’s no “need” to self-identify as anything, least of all a feminist. I call myself an intersectional feminist because it’s the easiest way to tell people what I would like to change in society. Simple as that bruh. If other people decide they don’t want that label, that’s fine too.
Ah, the old Tone Policing argument. I certainly haven’t seen this pile of bullshit before! [/sarcasm]
Let me tell you a thing: No one listens to women when we’re “nice” and are willing to explain things. No one listens when we’re quiet and try to get your attention. No one listens when we’re sweet and polite. We only end up getting spoken over by men like you who continually assure us that you’re on “our side”, but then everything you do and say after that is completely contrary, leaving us in your shadow while you continue to do things that set us back and keep us down.
When we get angry, when we start mocking, when we get “bossy” and “bitchy” and “mean”, THAT’S when you listen. That’s when people pay attention. You want us to be nice? You should have listened when we were.
And no, you haven’t been “nice”. You’ve been a condescending, mansplaining, shouting bag of horse manure the entire time you’ve been here. You’re not “nice”. You’re a fucking asshole, so pull the other one, it has bells on it.
Shorter Troll:
“It’s impossible for these feminists that I supposedly agree with so much to care about more than one thing at a time! If I only see them talking about one thing, they must not be talking about this other thing that I think is more important, so I better stomp in there and tell them to pay attention to what I want them to pay attention to, because I am a straight white liberal dudebro, and I’M JUST SO FUCKING NICE! WHY ARE YOU ALL BEING SO FUCKING MEAN TO ME AND NOT AGREEING WITH EVERYTHING I’VE SAID?! I’ve only been a clumsily condescending fuckwit the entire conversation! STRAWMAN!”
Who wants to be the fourth person to explain what the word “manspaining” means? Cuz he apparently thinks we’d accuse him of it for answering a question.
And is this reptilian thing a thing I should’ve known or some regional thing or what?
In more interesting reptilian things, tomorrow is tortoise bath day, should I try and film it? All he really does is sit there and drink, pee, and then try climbing out (which is cute, but I need both hands to deal with him at that point).
Says the MRA-dudebro-who’s-totally-a-feminist-u-guis.
No one said you couldn’t be critical of feminism. We’re critical about feminism all the damn time, and yeah, we disagree with each other on occasion too.
You’re just being willfully ignorant. Different things.
Also, a conversation is where you engage people you’re speaking to (as I’m doing here), not just make a general post in the thread and not address anyone’s specific points because you love the sound of your keyboard.
@Argenti: Here, I pulled up Google for him:
https://www.google.com/search?q=definition+of+mansplaining&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
And here’s a helpful link to show you where I got it!
Yawn, trollicus. You’d give a better impression of actually being a progressive if you had the fuckingest idea of what feminism actually is, what feminists actually do, and how not to make a tedious ass of yourself in conversation with them.
And here I thought I’d applaud the post above mine, turns out I need a whole round of applause for PI!
Let’s see if he gets it. And that, uh, oops! But just answering then question would’ve been, you know, how conversations works, I think, right? And what he did, umā¦ not so much on avoiding being condescending.
Or even replying to things others have said, which would meet just about everyone’s definition of the term. Or is that too high a bar for you to clear?
I think I just found a picture of trollicus in action…
Well, crap. Here’s a linky.
duerstisms, your opinions aren’t anywhere near as interesting as you evidently think they are. And pretty much everything you’re posting makes me think of some belligerent drunk dude talking over everyone at a party. Be more interesting, or less belligerent, or I’m inclined to give you a timeout.
“I’m not an MRA, I just happen to be referencing multiple specific MRA wank topics.”
Has duerstisms ever explained how mocking these memes are “misandry?” Or pointed to anything in the OP or the comments that was “misandry?”
Or did duerstisms just start going off on completely unrelated tangents when challenged? And everytime ze is refuted, ze brings up something else without responding to rebuttals?
I bet it’s been option #2 with duerstisms, right?
So I decided to risk clicking his nym, and it’s a brand new WP. So shiny you can read all of it. And verdict is in folks, “feminists” (his quotes) only stopped taking selfies long enough to pretend to care about man-spreading once the media picked up on it. I’m not sure how that works, but I’m still on my first cup of coffee. In any case, I’m fairly sure not having to squish into a seat with a stranger’s leg pressing into you is not a “non-issue”. I’d like the full 18″ of my tiny seat, thanks. Makes it easier to keep my Bag Of Many Things out of the way of everyone who doesn’t need an umbrella, band aid, usb speaker (it’s tiny, and yes, I have had people ask to use it), tiny sewing kit, breath mint strip things, ALL THE CABLES, etc
Reminds me, I need to restock my chocolate, having emergency sugar does fuck all good if it’s so old that it’s turned to powder.
Honest freebie piece of advice from my webdev side dude? Go into your WP panel, click appearance — widgets, and delete the meta one. Having your login front facing like that is a nice easy to fix security hole, so go fix it.
i’ll post my actual FULL article on “manspreading” so you can at least quote it accurately from now on: https://duerstisms.wordpress.com/2015/01/21/stop-the-spread-of-stop-the-spread-of-manspreading/
You feminists are gonna fuck’ LOVE this! XD
Also dont’cha think the $76,000 of taxpayer money spent on that manspreading b.s. could have been more legitimately spent on a woman’s shelter, donation to Planned Parenthood, or donation to Hilary’s presidential campaign?
Yes, dude, we all definitely plan to visit your blog.
I’ve gotten at least 50 views since i started posting on here, KATZ! XD
duerstisms , do you decided to do the exact opposite of what i said? Ah well, enjoy your own blog then, you’re boring everyone here with your super duper original arguments. .
Wow, 50 page views. Finally you can retire and leave this life of trolling.
(Thanks, David. Nothing interesting here.)
I’m just going to save everyone the trouble: http://www.donotlink.com/dlbp
Here’s Trollicus’ blog page he linked in case you wanted to check it out without giving him page views. :3
Wait a minute. He expects tax money to go to a political campaign? As lax as our campaign finance laws are, that is definitely not allowed.
And I looked over his blog via the donotlink url. Dude’s an MRA, whether he knows it or not.
I doubt someone who agrees with feminist views would ever tag a blog post “feminazi” or whine that people are complaining about men spreading their legs way too wide for public transport, right next to articles decrying male circumcision and calling Nancy Grace (who I’m not fond of either), an “uneducated, insufferable moron”.
Or come in here with the “You’re not focusing on things *I* want you to focus on!” whine.
I’m just going to confirm our theory that he’s here in bad faith and is an insufferable prick.
Also, your blog is unoriginal and bad and you should feel unoriginal and bad, dude.
Actually, if Trollicus had bothered to do his damn research, the project is being headed by the MTA, the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, who are NOT a government agency. Rather, they are a Public Benefit Corporation, and thus, privately owned.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/01/05/mta-to-launch-campaign-aimed-at-curbing-manspreading-on-public-transit/
Also, here’s another fun link:
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/i-need-to-sit-that-way-because-of-my-balls–and-6-other-misguided-defences-of-manspreading-on-public-transport-9976792.html
I really don’t understand why men are throwing hissy fits because we expect them to be fucking polite and decent when out in public. It’s almost like they don’t want to be polite to anyone that doesn’t immediately benefit them by dispensing sex.