A Voice for Men’s ongoing campaign to convince the world that “Men’s Human Rights Activists” are a bunch of petty, malicious, sexually insecure douchenozzles continues apace.
I mean, that must be what they’re really up to, right? Because no one who actually had any real interest in human rights of any kind would produce “memes” like the one above and all the rest below, delivered to your eyes straight from AVFM’s Fcebook page.
At their best, AVFM’s memes are merely baffling …
… or ridiculous.
AVFM also loves appropriating the images of famous people, and pretending that these people are somehow on their side. But their choices of imaginary celebrity endorsers can be a bit, well, ironic. A couple of days ago in one of my posts on the iconography of the “Cultural Marxism” conspiracy theorists, I posted a neo-Nazi meme showing a crudely photoshopped picture of Star Trek’s Kirk and Spock endorsing Adolph Hitler — a rather odd conceit, given that William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy are both Jewish, and that the original Star Trek series promoted tolerance and a very 60s-liberal sort of multiculturalism.
Well, here’s AVFM’s attempt to make Spock an MRA:
Dudes, hate to break it to you, but Nimoy is actually a … feminist. Really. In the 60s he demanded that Star Trek’s producers pay actress Nichele Nichols the same as her male counterparts on the show. And as a photographer today, Nimoy acknowleges that he is heavily influenced by feminism, partiularly the writings of Jewish feminist Letty Cottin Pogrebin, one of the founders of Ms. magazine.
So that’s not really his “listening to feminism face” at all.
An astonishing number of AVFM’s memes are so sexualized that they are more or less soft-core porn. Even their anti-male-rape memes, ostensibly attempts to raise consciousness about the rape of men by women, feature seductive, scantily clad women, undermining whatever message they are supposed to be getting across.
But the most, er, revealing memes are the ones that hint at deep sexual insecurities on the part of the meme makers and those who “like” them on Facebook. (The images that follow are mildly NSFW.)
This meme, for example, actually features the dreaded vagina dentata:
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And this one attempts to shame male feminists by suggesting they enjoy being penetrated, an act that’s really only “shameful” if you have some rather fucked-up notions of what is and what isn’t appropriate male sexuality. And a certain degress of hatred and fear of female sexual agency.
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AVFM meme-maker John Galt also continues to be weirdly obsessed by me.
And then there’s this lovely meme, intended as a joke at the expense of a feminist activist who’s been on AVFM’s enemies list ever since she told some AVFM dudes to shut up at a demonstration several years ago. (I’ve crossed out her face, because no one really deserves to be made into an AVFM meme.)
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The joke is obviously supposed to be at her expense, suggesting that she is so unattractive that she makes penises wilt. But you don’t have to be Sigmund Freud to realize that this isn’t the real story here. This is a woman demonized by AVFM and other antifeminists because once, several years ago, she shouted down some dudes. It’s not her appearance that frightens their penises; it’s the fact that she wouldn’t put up with their bullshit.
Guys, you’re not fooling anyone, except yourselves.
Oh and I understand a lot of us were watching the Scottish referendum very closely because if they got it WE WERE NEXT.
I’ve not seen any misandry here.
My MRA-dar is beeping though.
Bigger population and much larger economy than our friends in the North!
So why not?
*dying of laughter*
I’m also ready to pack my bags and move to Yorkshire.
… *facepalm*
At least double-check the most important parts of your boring, debunked talking points before regurgitating them… This is just embarrassing.
Here’s something sort of unrelated and sad. An old friend of mine I had not heard from in years called me up out of the blue to tell me that his relationship of 18 years had ended badly and that he’d been unhappy for sometime. He left and good for him. Now he’s trying to build himself back up and find his feet as a single man. He didn’t offer details about the breakup and I don’t want them, but he’s hurting.
I’ve been encouraging him and just sort of being a buddy while he rebounds.
He started working out to make himself feel better, which is great. He’s getting so buff that he’s thinking of competing as a body builder. He’s vulnerable and needs friends. Gyms do tend to be all about bro. culture though. You know where this is going…
He txts me the other day to tell me he’s looking into MGTOW. Do I know anything about it?
Of, course David’s website has given me plenty of info on MGTOW. I passed it on.
I feel sad for him and men like him who look for a support network and find a bunch of misogynists with nothing to offer them.
How is he discredited and how is pointing out his sexist behavior doing anything bad to him? You are switching the oppressor and the oppressed. If I say something racist and people point it out, they are not causing me harm. I caused harm and they told me so.
His accomplishments were tarnished by his actions and he admitted as much and apologized. Those accomplishments are still celebrated and respected. He’s not a villain. He’s a guy who did something stupid and sexist and said he was sorry. Moving on. No one hates him or is out to get him.
????
Did he discover the comet all on his own or was he a part of the team that miraculously landed the rover on the comet? Wasn’t his team leader a woman? You may have your facts jumbled, MRA troll.
You really didn’t read them at all, did you? The clickbait list includes expanding the definition of rape to include men (2011), allowing women on the front lines (2013), combating prison rape (2003), hate crimes prevention (2009), and others I’m sure, to be honest, I really didn’t mean to do your research for you.
However, even if this list only included things 15 years old or older, your backpedaling and claiming that what you REALLY meant was MODERN feminism isn’t needed is simply absurd. There are still misogynists running for office in the UK (Mike Buchanan), for example, and feminism is needed to highlight misogyny and ensure that fewer and fewer misogynist people get into a place where they can effect the lives of others.
Oh, Scot here! I voted yes, and would have been very happy for Yorkshire to join us in our new independance, or as an ally!
@duerstisms:
Yeah yeah, you called “STRAWMAN!!!!11!!” when someone else pointed it out, but you are in fact drawing parallells between FGM and circumcision, and that’s grossly improper. The parallel would be between FGM and some form of castration, like chopping the tip of the penis off or cutting a deep slit in it so that sex is unpleasent or painful and arousal is difficult or impossible.
Here’s why that’s important. You call circumcision “mutilation.” It really isn’t. It’s the chopping off of a bit of skin that doesn’t really do anything except be there. Sometimes it’s a useful thing to do (there can be cases where foreskin can get caught or tear during intercoarse). You might as well call removal of tonsils or the appendix “mutilation.”
It’s wrong that it’s a common practice because of consent; the child has no say in having this procedure done. Not because it is anything close to “mutilation.”
As for circumcision being systematic oppression? How, exactly? I’m circumsized myself, and it literally has no impact on 99.99% of my life. I have this vague idea that perhaps I might have been more sensitive had I retained my foreskin, but sex and masturbation are not unpleasent affairs as a result. FGM, on the other hand, impacts a woman’s sex life in a real way, and is meant to prevent a woman from acting sexually through pain.
You say that many woman view the uncircumsized penis as gross, but how is that systematic oppression of men? It’s not the women who are choosing to feel that way (and I doubt the vast majority of them do), it’s just that circumcized penises are more common. It’s not women who started the practice, it’s religion.
TL:DR; Not every negative thing that affects men as a gender is systematic oppression. The bar is much higher.
This seems like super appropriate for this troll, no?
so you people DO think that a dude wearing a stupid looking shirt with half naked cartoon women on it is oppressive, problematic, sexist and keeps women out of scientific fields? I guess we come from separate value systems entirely then.
Honestly, What is gonna keep women from pursuing science careers more? A guy’s “behavior” of wearing a dumb shirt, or the CONSTANT fear-mongering insistence on the part of feminists that science is a completely hostile environment for women?
@duerstisms:
The shirt is a symptom, not a cause. People reacted because it was a shirt that reinforced the underlying narrative that science was a guy thing and that women were merely sex objects. If that underlying systematic notion weren’t present, the shirt would have been tacky at worst.
I think what’s keeping women from pursuing science careers more is young girls being told they’re not good at math ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/30/girls-math-skills-boys-male-impulsiveness_n_1718642.html ). I think what’s keeping women from pursuing science careers is the persistent attitude of individuals in university environments that encourages interested women to quit ( http://news.cornell.edu/stories/2013/05/gender-gap-stem-majors-linked-high-school-job-plans ).
I guess we do.
In mine (and that of most realistic people), we see that misogyny exists, that it is pervasive, and that there are definite underlying causes to why women feel excluded. Duh! It’s because they are constantly being hounded out of places where they ought to feel welcome.
In yours, you look for imaginary misandry in those who name and point out those underlying causes because you don’t want to change or recognize just how much fucking privilege you’re swimming in.
I feel sorry for you. But not sorry enough to give you sex, because that would only encourage you to go on thinking erroneously as you do, and would impede you from seeing what’s wrong with your value system.
dudeisms,
Stop trying to distract and redirect when you are trounced. It’s a weak move and no one is going to fall for it.
Tsk, tsk, tsk…
If you have never before experienced having your bullshit lazy rhetoric called out, picked apart and its remains dissected right before your eyes, you are in for a treat. There are smart, well informed and feisty folks here who are about to show you a whole new world.
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Wow, you’re a belligerent little asshole, aren’t you. No wonder no women like you!
@Bina, I like how they always come in here like ‘feminism isn’t perfect you know!’ like we don’t already know that.
Didn’t some of the women who commented on the shirt get rape threats just for doing so?
Women often can’t be in an online video/picture without getting tons of unflattering comments about how they dress or about their bodies or their “fuckability”. And they’re told to suck it up or ignore it, or that it’s a compliment.
The way some people overreact to the criticism of a shirt that’s genuinely inappropriate for a televised interview is just sad.
How dumb do you think we are? You think we haven’t ever seen MRA talking points and cut-and-paste lists that could, for all we know, be completely made up? You think we haven’t read the texts of the movement IN CONTEXT AND THEIR ENTIRETY, instead of just some pull-quotes (that could be ass-pulls for all we know), twisted out of context by guys with an ideological agenda to paint us all as haters, with a broad brush and lots of tar? You think we’ve never dealt with guys like you before — guys who pose as neutral, but who stink of MRA shit far and wide? You think you’re being clever and original?
You are in for one helluva shock, trollicus. Because I’ve seen your MO a thousand times, and it doesn’t get any fresher with repetition.
Women were sharing their experiences with each other and anyone who would listen long before feminists brought public awareness to the issue. If feminists never spoke about STEM and pervasive misogyny, the problem wouldn’t go away. The only effect would be that some women wouldn’t have the language to describe what drove them away from STEM.
Hell, you act as if “feminists” and “potential STEM-interested women” are completely different groups. More often than not, the feminists who speak loudest about the issue are ones that have personal experiences in the field. They desperately want to feel like they belong and take part in a field they truly enjoy, but are forced to talk publicly about their experiences so that something can be done about the sexism.
(by the by, I wonder how many direct responses I have to make before duerstisms actually responds to me… His tactic seems to be to throw out words, sit back and wait for responses, then act as if he was overwhelmed by them and refuse to address anyone directly. You aren’t speaking to a hivemind, dude, you’re speaking to individual people.)
I just love how they expect us to “answer for” people we’ve never met, and whose radical careers peaked 40 years ago. What exactly is that “answering for” supposed to look like? A weepy “Mea culpa!” and then promptly kneeling down in front of some trilby-dude’s zipper?
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Examples please, once you’ve done your reading and have answered to the points you are so scared to address that you are obviously ducking them. If there are tons to “answer for” and lot’s of baggage it should be simple to point them out.
This is what The Sweet Potato Queens call the “Fuck you, you fucking fuck” defense. It’s just responding with a nonsensical offense and thinking it is the best defense. You’re the unread one here and we all know it, so let’s just be honest and address it. You don’t need to get hostile just because you aren’t fooling anyone about being neutral or well read on the subjects of sexism and feminism. You could just accept that you jumped into this thread making false accusations. Even if that is out of genuine ignorance and misunderstanding, even if it was not deliberate you told an offensive lie and then proceeded to defended of misogyny. You need to stop avoiding that if you want to have a productive discussion. Otherwise, you’re just going to get chewed up and spit out.
… They are asspulls. From a compiled list of quotes that are mostly all rather mangled. It’s not so much wrong as silly, but doesn’t really mean women in general doesn’t like him.
What might make someone not like him is the logic that makes him go:
“So you believe people should share stuff, right? Would you call yourself, say, a person with perhaps a communist bent?”
“Sure, I guess?”
“Did you know SOMEONE ELSE once said this terrible thing?!??!”
“Uuh?”
“Fucking anti-people anti-success commies!”
The gaslighting is strong with this one.