[CONTENT WARNING: Misogynistic violence, rape apologia]
His complaint was a familiar one:
I think every girl is a type of slut, they are fussy with men nowadays, they do not give boys like us a chance.
You can find nearly identical laments in the profiles of self-described “nice guys” on OkCupid, on Men’s Rights blogs, and on forums for self-described “Incels” comisserating about their “involuntary celibacy” and what they see as the shallowness of young women.
But these words actually come from a video filmed by Ben Moynihan, a British teenager who was convicted of attempted murder earlier this week after stabbing three women in an attempt to take a sort of revenge upon the “weaker” gender he felt had made his life miserable by denying him sex. Another young man trying to punish women with violence for the “crime” of not dating him.
“I am still a virgin,” he wrote in one note. “Everyone is losing it before me, that’s why you are my chosen target.” In another note, he declared that “all women needs to die and hopefully next time I can gauge [sic] their eyes out.”
Moynihan’s twisted logic is of course eerily similar to that of Elliot Rodger, who went on a shooting spree in Isla Vista last spring in an attempt to “punish” women for their lack of interest in dating him, which he declared to be “a crime that can never be forgiven.”
Thankfully, Moynihan, unlike Rodger, was captured by police before he actually succeeded in killing anyone.
Not so thankfully, both of these men have their fans, including some amongst the usual suspects I write about on this blog. On the incel hangout slutHATE – the successor to PUAhate, on which Elliot Rodger was an occasional commenter – both Rodger and Moynihan have become heroes of a sort to some of the more bitter commenters. Or at least the source of much amusement.
In response to news about Moynihan’s trial, one slutHATEr posted a thread asking “Okay, which one of you did this?” “A new supreme gentleman rises,” wrote another in a different thread devoted to the would-be killer.
A third commenter, going by the name Homesick Alien, asked the question “Are Females days numbered?” listing an assortment of incels who’d killed “females” in an act of twisted “revenge” for their lackluster or nonexistent dating lives. In the comments, Homesick Alien chillingly wrote that
I’m sure someone somehow is rightfully very rageful currently planning the next shooting spree . We can only hope it’ll be more elaborate. Female entitlement is off the charts now, they are out of control,. It’s about time they are put in their fucking place.
Another posted a link to Rodger’s 150-page manifesto, suggesting that “it has the potential to motivate incels to damage the females.”
In a thread from several months ago, a slutHATEr calling himselt NewGenious119 went after fellow incels for not supporting shooting sprees enthusiastically enough.
Seriously, is there something mentally wrong with you? Thinking that a school full of sluts and frat stars getting slain by an incel is a bad thing is characteristic of a normalfag mindset. Our ONLY hope for ever getting to fuck multiple hot sluts is if there are enough incels in the western world who snap and cause bloodshed. It’s the only way that sluts and alphas will realize and accept that there are serious consequences for allowing so many males to live their lives in misery.
Emphasis mine.
As it turned out, there was no need for him to worry that other incels didn’t support spree killngs aimed at “sluts,” as assorted commenters soon let him know.
The rogue MRA and American-Women-Boycotter who calls himself John Rambo seconded his sentiment, writing
I wouldn’t do one myself. But I wouldn’t prevent one from happening if I knew it would as long as I wouldn’t die or a girl that willing to fuck me would. …
Honestly, I truly have very little sympathy for the victims.
A commenter calling himself Worthless Trash only had one complaint: that the death tolls weren’t higher.
I just wish these guys would make better plans and kill their targets and more of them, but sadly most of them have a weakened will-power after all the years of rejections and maybe bullying.
Also i don’t care if it will solve the problem or not, i just feel better hearing this, it’s like divine justice, they feel so superior but in the end they die like worms, just like they treat other guys, like worms, so in the end we are all equal.
Still others offered their assent:
I personally rejoice whenever I hear news of a school shooting.
The higher the death count, the better
i like their kill count high, because it’s always satisfying seeing someone arrogant going from rich to poor, beautiful too ugly from popular to dead
While a few commenters spoke out against the idea of mass murder as a reasonable response to a lack of dates, they were in the distinct minority.
And then there was this guy:
i support ERism [Elliot Rodgerism], but I would never do it myself, my brother is a doctor and his career would be ruined if our family name ever got tarnished
It would be a little easier to dismiss all this as merely internet dumbassery, were it not for the fact that Rodger went out and killed 6 people after posting similar comments on the message board that later became slutHATE.
While commenters like these are a distinct minority even in the sordid world of the manosphere, the sad and scary fact is that there are a frightening number of young and not-so-young men who have embraced one of the central assumptions of the murder-spree-supporting incels of slutHATE – the notion that women who put “nice guys” in the “friend zone” are committing some kind of crime against them, and deserve to be punished for it, individually or collectively.
You can see variations on this in assorted memes attacking women – much as Moynihan and Rodgers did – for supposedly preferring “bad boys” and assholes over the “nice guys” of the world.
Other “friend zone” memes are a bit darker.
And darker still:
And somehow even darker than that:
And we’re just begun to scratch the surface here.
In a followup post, I will look at the ways in which the rampant “slutbashing” of Men’s Rights Activists and other manosphere denizens helps to feed the toxic culture of aggrieved sexual entitlement that has contributed to violence against women.
Ok, fair enough question. 🙂
First, let’s define a need.
“A need is something that is necessary for organisms to live a healthy life. Needs are distinguished from wants because a deficiency would cause a clear negative outcome, such as dysfunction or death. Needs can be objective and physical, such as food, or they can be subjective and psychological, such as the need for self-esteem. On a social level, needs are sometimes controversial. Understanding needs and wants is an issue in the fields of politics, social science, and philosophy.”
–wikipedia
So, sex doesn’t cause death so it’s obviously not a physical need, but i would classify “causing constant misery” as “a psychological dysfunction”, so yeah, a psychological need. That doesn’t entitle me to it!
Speaking for my rugrats, they generally forget about the injustice of being denied checkout candy by the time we’re out the door, but if you could find a kid who feels the lack of checkout candy as a constant gnawing in the back if their mind and in their bodies like I feel when I’m sexually frustrated, I would readily say that checkout candy is a psychological need as well. There’s a reason why you can call frustration “being driven to distraction”; you can’t concentrate on shit! It’s annoying! And unproductive!*
Still doesn’t entitle me to another person’s body.
(*Obviously, my experiences are mine only. Not everyone’s like me, everyone’s different, and that’s cool). 🙂
Hi Argenti! Nice to see you again!
Late to the party as usual, but I’ll nibble on the soggy chew toy anyway…
@mrex
If they were in a car, we would call it “road rage”. Sexual entitlement is the diplomatic term for it.
Well, that’s pretty much an argumentum ad merda taurorum. There’s nothing new about defining masculinity by notch count. Also, young men and women have been sleeping with each other since time immemorial. Yes, the Pill made sexual experimentation safer and more common, but popular culture, advertising and the media are saturated with the notion that youth and sex are where it’s at. (That feeling of inadequacy you experienced? makes you a perfect target for whatever they’re selling, whether it’s body spray or beer). Feminism did not invent virgin-shaming, nor did it create the dank dungeon of resentment you’ve chosen to lock yourself in. That’s all on you.
With all this talk of jocks and cheerleaders and rampantly rutting freshmen, I’m starting to think you went to Faber College.
Somewhere out there is a video of David Attenborough narrating a youtube video of a tortoise bonking a thing? shoe? hairbrush? tell me I didn’t dream it.
Another old newspaper article, from 1891
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article64222606
“Why do men hate women”
When I come across an article in the old papers that might be interesting to Mammoths or MRAs, I pop it in this tumblr
http://littlebuggerrabbit.tumblr.com/
The reason I have a problem with anyone defining sex as a need rather than a want, is that the people doing so tend to be the ones who are basically saying they NEED sex from hot women. They could get sex and intimacy they are choosing not to, because it doesn’t fit their own ideals. They need therapy for that, giving them sex with hot women doesn’t fix the problem.
I have a friend who I’ve known since high school, and we were physically similar enough we were mistaken for each other fairly often, or thought to be brothers when we were hanging out together. The big difference was that I’ve managed to have a fairly active sex life for the last 24 years, and he… hasn’t. The kicker is that after high school I developed a fairly dramatic skin condition. In our mid twenties I remember sitting there with him listening while he went through the litany of “nice guy” complaints about women only dating jerks, blah blah and finally ending with “Women don’t want to sleep with guys that look like me, they only want…” and I said “Let me stop you right there. We look like twins, except I look like I was in a fire not too long ago. I’ve not only managed to find partners, I’ve dated and married. IT IS NOT THE WAY YOU LOOK. You have got to stop thinking about women like they’re an alien species. THEY ARE PEOPLE LIKE YOU (I was getting really tired of his rant, yes I was yelling). If you want to have sex with them, you have to ask! You’d be amazed at how well it works! You have to talk to them like you talk to your female friends! Not that bizarre personality you put on when you’re trying to pick up.”
In the end he got better, but it took a long while to get it through his skull just how unattractive he was acting towards women he was interested in VS women he was friends with. I get the feeling that these guys don’t have that kind of reality check staring them in the face saying, like a dark mirror version of themselves, “I’m a less physically attractive version of you, clearly your perception of your failure is wrong, rethink your premise.”
omg you guys there is an african spurred tortoise who lives in Mr. Farts’s back yard. He is, like, twenty-five years old or something, and HUGE. Mr. Farts’s six year old daughter can go for rides and he doesn’t even notice she’s sitting there. He’s kind of a jerk, though, and sometimes tries to knock me over. And eat my toes. They’re usually painted red, see, and he thinks they’re berries. He isn’t super bright.
What kind of tortoise did you get, Argenti? Will he get enormous and live for a hundred years?
Spaces like sluthate.com?
You know, sluthate is really misunderstood.
P.S. feeeeeeeeeeeemaaaaaaaaaaalessss
At least Tommy Boy’s on time out now, so we don’t have to worry about him coming in here and whining in defense of would-be murderers. Thanks, David.
Cyberwulf
“I’m snickering at the idea of modern zombie fans claiming cultural appropriation when zombies originated in Haitian folklore.”
Eh, not really. The word Zombie comes from Haiti but the basic idea of dead people coming back as flesh eating monsters goes back in European culture for centuries (Pieter Bruegel the Elder painting The Triumph of Death for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Triumph_of_Death) and the earliest zombie apocalypse don’t actually use the Z-word (I am Legend has Vampires, Night of the Living Dead has ghouls). Then later movies used the name of a completely different kind of reanimated corpse and the name stuck ever since.
And the reason I’m jumping in to this old discussion is because I would much rather talk about old books and movies and creepy paintings [b]then these pathetic excuses for human beings![/b] Just… FFFUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCK god damn it. How are they… bleh I’m gonna throw up. I’ve always been clueless about sex and dating but I’ve never hated anyone over it. Which I guess makes me a “normalfag” whatever that means.
Tortoise mating videos are a thing!
They sound amazingly human. And kind of poignant.
(She doesn’t have the heart to tell him it’s not in.)
And here we have an incel tortoise, getting really sad and lonely:
Awwwwww.
This!
What all these men complaining about not getting women to sleep with them seem to ignore or find impossible to comprehend is that, for the most part, a person you sleep with is a special kind of friend. Even one night stands are really a sexual version of those brief, never-seen-again, friendships we sometimes strike up when we’re out and about or travelling and spend an hour or so with someone who agrees with our casually expressed opinion about something and finish up having a long conversation with or without coffee or a meal.
If they really want to find someone to sleep with, they’re far better off with a large number of women friends. Even if not a single one of them is interested in sleeping with them, they all have friends and relatives and neighbours and workmates, any one of whom might be introduced just casually in passing or even invited to make up the numbers for an event. The more women you know who like you as a friend even if they’re not interested in you sexually, the more women you’ll have the opportunity to meet. And talking to more women directly can enhance your social skills and ease in the company of women far more than talking about women to other men who talk about women rather than to them can do.
The thing is, though, you have to approach it in good faith – as in, you have to actually be their friend. Not just fake it, Nice Guy style. Like really, actually, truly be friends. I’m not entirely sure some of these people even know how to do that.
And for the record, dating Nice Guys (the capital letters kind, not the real nice people) never works, yo. I’ve done it. I’ve seen friends do it. It is always a shitshow. Most of the time the Nice Guy ends up super clingy and possessive and has terrible boundaries, and you can never explain that you just need some space, dammit, without them taking it as some kind of damning insult, and everything gets passive-aggressive and butthurt and horrible. And that’s if you even get to the dating part – once I finally said “okay, sure” to a Nice Guy friend who’d been hounding me for a romantic date for years. Within a week he just quit taking my calls and tried to pretend that whole dating thing never happened, because actually dating me meant dealing with a human being instead of a fantasy, and that was too hard.
They think they “just need a chance,” but…yeah, not so much.
First, hi everyone!
Second, he’s a Russian Tortoise, so he’ll comfortably sit on a clipboard until he’s 80.
2b) I think that tortoise humping the croc is a russian XD
Three, skybison, they’re not vampires! From what I hear about the only thing the book and the movie share is that they’re both called I Am Legend. I could rant, but I feel like everyone here would prefer I make with the uploading tortoise pics 🙂
So back in a flash with pics!
Oops, I duped. Let’s try this again…
Tortoise mating videos are a thing!
They sound amazingly human. And kind of poignant.
(She doesn’t have the heart to tell him it’s not in.)
And here we have an incel tortoise, getting really sad and lonely:
Awwwwww.
Bina
Ask, and ye shall receive!
http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af354/Valin_Carsis/IncelBingo_zps37662661.png
(Because this is the best use of my graphic design degree yet.)
I used some bits from Bina’s, some from eli’s, and a few I saw that I wanted to add. :3
Embed test —
http://instagram.com/p/yTn0LdI9ml/
Argenti Aertheri:
I meant the original book, not the Will Smith movie, sorry.
Mouse Farts
This. You can’t do this with the idea in your head that this is going to get you laid. You have to want genuine friendship, otherwise, one of those women (more than likely someone who’s suffered at the hands of a Nice Guy before) is going to pick up on your insincerity, and they’ll TALK.
What, you don’t think women talk to each other, Nice Guys? Guess again. Many women have NETWORKS. And I mean OUTSIDE of the internet.
Wow, that worked!
http://instagram.com/p/yTnfcto9mL/
http://instagram.com/p/yTnnAaI9mU/
http://instagram.com/p/yTnqDao9mZ/
I see your tortoise and raise you a spider dance party
See Incel’s that’s how you attract a mate.
skybison — neither vampires nor zombies then! Closer to the former though, since the no sunlight thing was a Big Deal. And just Argenti is fine 🙂
I just luuuurve the spider dancing to YMCA.
(Though I’m pretty keen on those spiders anyway. That was Fan.Tas.Tic.)