It seems like only yesterday that a Voice for Men’s Paul Elam and John “The Other” Hembling were the bestest of friends, laughing and joking together as they plotted to take over the world. Now, after an ugly falling out, the two are the worstest of enemies, and this whole MGTOW thing is making their ugly divorce even uglier.
You know that little war that Elam has going on with the MGTOWers, or more accurately, the MGTOWFAFPE (Men Going Their Own Way Far Away From Paul Elam)? Mr. Hembling and his girlfriend/comrade Diana Davison have allied themselves with Elam’s many enemies in the MGTOW world, and, well, Elam doesn’t seem to like this very much.
I present to you three recent skirmishes in their little war.
Dean Esmay, Breast Man
This first skirmish isn’t between Elam and Hembling themselves, but between each man’s most faithful lieutenant. On Elam’s side, AVFM’s “operations director” Dean Esmay; on Hembling’s side, the not-so-charming Ms. Davison, his partner in COCK. (No really, that’s the name of their organization.)
Esmay, angry at MGTOWers for mocking Elam’s new book on MGTOW, decides to lash out at Davison, whom he feels is seducing the MGTOW masses to the anti-Elam side using the power of her, erm, titties.
No, really. Here’s Esmay:
Davison’s video response (from which I got the above screenshot) is remarkably restrained, considering.
ANALYSIS: A major misstep from Esmay. Davison is a thoroughly terrible person; she’s the woman-hating woman who once wrote that “[w]omen are facing a very real and grave problem in our culture: They are obnoxious cunts.” And Esmay, through the power of his own obnoxious assholery, has managed to turn her, at least momentarily, into a sympathetic character.
Advantage, Team COCK.
John Hembling, Borrower
A writer on A Voice for Men reveals that Hembling plagiarized giant chunks of an Alternet article in a blog post of his that was later published on AVFM.
There’s really no question about it: a number of passages are similar, and one giant chunk is copied nearly word-for-word. Oops.
Hembling’s response? A video in which he breezily dismisses the charges, admitting only that he “borrowed” a couple of sentences, as if this is a thing that all writers sometimes do. Elam mocks Hembling’s glib response in a video of his own – perhaps the only time I’ve ever witnessed Elam on the right side of any argument.
Of course, the bigger question is why Elam ever thought that Hembling, a perpetual liar, could be trusted in the first place. Maybe because he doesn’t give a shit about the truth? Just a guess.
Advantage, Team Paul
The Battle of Dean Esmay’s Tooth
In what seems to be a transparent attempt to draw attention away from the whole plagiarism thing, Hembling makes a video about Dean Esmay and his missing tooth.
Esmay, you see, is missing a tooth. While Esmay sees this as somehow the fault of feminism – at least that’s what he seemed to suggest during his rather surreal appearance on a Detroit news show last summer – Hembling wonders aloud why Elam, who takes in many tens of thousands of dollars a year in donations to AVFM, can’t shell out a few bucks for some dental work for Esmay, the hardest working AVFMer of them all.
Advantage, neither. Hembling has a point, but bringing up the tooth thing is a bit of a low blow.
Stay tuned, because this war is likely to get uglier still.
It’s kind of delicious.
It’s tragic when MRA “gurus” fight over who gets custody of the marks,.
sorceressensorcelled–
I’m sorry to hear about your dad. My dad is in the process of Going-His-Own-Way, and I know how crap it feels. E-hugs if you want them.
Heya!
Just here to say that I loved this post and all the comments in it and popcorn gifs.
This site, David and this community are the best.
Hi Sarah! Thanks!
Seconding the idea that sorceress’ dad doesn’t fully know what MGTOW is. Since MGTOW tends to attract men who are already misogynist in outlook, and he doesn’t sound like he is, some education on what they talk about (and only ever talk about) should do the trick.
Okay, I’m kind of doubtful of the purported translation of the Japanese lyrics.
As far as I know it’s correct. “Earthquake, lightning, fire, Dad,” is a reference to a Japanese saying that there are only four things to fear in this world: earthquakes, lightning, fire, and your father. Also appropriate for Raven.
Yup. And I suspect they even go out of their way to sabotage all their relationships with them just so they can self-righteously point and go “See? What did I tell you? Feeeeeemales EEEEEEEEEEVIL!!!”
Oh shit. Just looked up pics of Diana Davison, and she has short hair. Short. Hair.
Dudes, could you come up with a consistent view of what you want from women? Or is what you require really just that they hate women as much as you do?
Hey Diana, did you know you’re a misandrist? When you cut your hair, you’re cutting COCKS! Off your own head! Cocks!
(snickers)
How does John’s boner survive a short haired girlfriend? He is truly oppressed.
Yeah, I’m really surprised that she and Karen have been forgiven for committing the terrible, misandrist sin of cutting off their hair. But I guess that if you’re FeMRA, you get special privileges, like being about to do whatever the fuck you want with your own fucking hair? Maybe that’s why they want so badly to stay in the MRA clubhouse?
And..I just they’re possibly scared shitless at this point and don’t want to back down from the movement now, let alone criticize it, because they know that if they do, they’ll get loads of harassment like the Wooly Bumblebee got.
But even if that’s the case, they’re still willing to sacrifice other women’s basic human rights so that they can keep being the protected “cool girls.”
Jesus, now I feel shitty about this whole situation.
My schaden is freuded. I love it when they eat their own
Pretty sure when a MGTOW finds a woman who agrees to date them, he just rationalizes it as an exception to the rule rather than a reason to reevaluate it. She is also evidence that he is Special and Enlightened and thus deserves a Special and Enlightened vagina. That’s how you can be a married MGTOW – Going His Own Way is what GOT him that lady! Totes! For real!
@mousefarts
Well, of course they can’t have people thinking that they just can’t get girlfriends. It would mean that they weren’t alphas, and they can’t be betas or (gasp!) omegas.
@WWTH, @alaisvex: It came down to this cruel choice: short hair, or buns.
@Falconer,
*nods gravely* A momentous choice indeed. A rock and a hard place, so to speak.
Perhaps even a COCK and a hard place, as it were.
Sneeeeerrrk
That specialness, alas, only lasts until she actually asserts herself against him and not other women. Then, suddenly, she’ll find herself booted out amidst all the other egregiously awful misandrists. And of course, he’ll be yattering on about all the harpies even as he’s looking for the next one to fuck…and fuck over.
Bina: pretty much. He’ll want a woman for sex but treat her horribly and expect her to stay, all the while complaining to his MGTOW friends about what an awful feminazi she is because she made him load the dishwasher once.
“Rabbi, is there a proper blessing… for Paul Elam??”
“A blessing for Paul Elam? Of course. May God bless and keep Paul Elam… far away from us!”
@alaisvex @bina Yes. Also lol.
…Maybe it’s allowed if she’s supporting you financially (and has paid for your vasectomy so she can’t trap you) while you pursue your MGTOW-related advocacy (primarily trolling online), preferably (given their rhetoric) with her work as a military service member…?
That’s all I’ve got.
On that, I’ve found this and it gives me joy:
http://shiiiit.com
And no matter what, this is all of the performers by the end of each show:
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/31273/donkey-o.gif
Hell, I know people like that who don’t (as far as I know) consciously subscribe to any gendered ideology, they just seem to revel in the poor-poor-benighted-me narrative.
Any time a new woman gets in a relationship with my dad, I feel like mouthing “RUN!” whenever his back is turned.