It seems like only yesterday that a Voice for Men’s Paul Elam and John “The Other” Hembling were the bestest of friends, laughing and joking together as they plotted to take over the world. Now, after an ugly falling out, the two are the worstest of enemies, and this whole MGTOW thing is making their ugly divorce even uglier.
You know that little war that Elam has going on with the MGTOWers, or more accurately, the MGTOWFAFPE (Men Going Their Own Way Far Away From Paul Elam)? Mr. Hembling and his girlfriend/comrade Diana Davison have allied themselves with Elam’s many enemies in the MGTOW world, and, well, Elam doesn’t seem to like this very much.
I present to you three recent skirmishes in their little war.
Dean Esmay, Breast Man
This first skirmish isn’t between Elam and Hembling themselves, but between each man’s most faithful lieutenant. On Elam’s side, AVFM’s “operations director” Dean Esmay; on Hembling’s side, the not-so-charming Ms. Davison, his partner in COCK. (No really, that’s the name of their organization.)
Esmay, angry at MGTOWers for mocking Elam’s new book on MGTOW, decides to lash out at Davison, whom he feels is seducing the MGTOW masses to the anti-Elam side using the power of her, erm, titties.
No, really. Here’s Esmay:
Davison’s video response (from which I got the above screenshot) is remarkably restrained, considering.
ANALYSIS: A major misstep from Esmay. Davison is a thoroughly terrible person; she’s the woman-hating woman who once wrote that “[w]omen are facing a very real and grave problem in our culture: They are obnoxious cunts.” And Esmay, through the power of his own obnoxious assholery, has managed to turn her, at least momentarily, into a sympathetic character.
Advantage, Team COCK.
John Hembling, Borrower
A writer on A Voice for Men reveals that Hembling plagiarized giant chunks of an Alternet article in a blog post of his that was later published on AVFM.
There’s really no question about it: a number of passages are similar, and one giant chunk is copied nearly word-for-word. Oops.
Hembling’s response? A video in which he breezily dismisses the charges, admitting only that he “borrowed” a couple of sentences, as if this is a thing that all writers sometimes do. Elam mocks Hembling’s glib response in a video of his own – perhaps the only time I’ve ever witnessed Elam on the right side of any argument.
Of course, the bigger question is why Elam ever thought that Hembling, a perpetual liar, could be trusted in the first place. Maybe because he doesn’t give a shit about the truth? Just a guess.
Advantage, Team Paul
The Battle of Dean Esmay’s Tooth
In what seems to be a transparent attempt to draw attention away from the whole plagiarism thing, Hembling makes a video about Dean Esmay and his missing tooth.
Esmay, you see, is missing a tooth. While Esmay sees this as somehow the fault of feminism – at least that’s what he seemed to suggest during his rather surreal appearance on a Detroit news show last summer – Hembling wonders aloud why Elam, who takes in many tens of thousands of dollars a year in donations to AVFM, can’t shell out a few bucks for some dental work for Esmay, the hardest working AVFMer of them all.
Advantage, neither. Hembling has a point, but bringing up the tooth thing is a bit of a low blow.
Stay tuned, because this war is likely to get uglier still.
It’s kind of delicious.
Remember the Titans, Titans from Hercules so many titans
Oh and attack on titan
I just wouldn’t besmirch the name of any of the Teen Titans by associating them with MGTOWs or MRAs.
@fruitloopsie, the Teen Titans theme is just so very bouncy, cheerful and catchy. I can probably still sing all of the English version, too.
Okay, I’m kind of doubtful of the purported translation of the Japanese lyrics.
Fruitloopsie
“Men Gonna To Obsess and Whine”
That’s good too! 😀
Here’s another: Megadouches Getting Too Overheated and Witless
On another note, what an education today! I did not know there were so many gifs of popcorn eating!
I certainly hope that this infighting makes my dad think twice, because he was recently expressing interest in MGTOW to me over a phone call.
I told him I was confused and sad, because I’m a woman, and I thought that him going his own way would mean that he would be obligated to cut me out of his life forever. He hasn’t stopped talking to me, though, so I assumed he had given up on the idea of MGTOW.
… Of course, if MGTOW can still associate freely with women and still call themselves MGTOW, I’m confused and sad again.
🙁
MMM – this slice of schadenfreude pie is delicious
Falconer
I’m pretty bad at memorizing songs so I would just repeat a certain line or just hum the tune
Scarlettathena
“Here’s another: Megadouches Getting Too Overheated and Witless”
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfrekpdVaR1qd0ox5.gif
That’s good
sorceressensorcelled
Im so sorry and I hope that your father has given up on that too. Hugs if you want them.
I think the reason on why they won’t go is that they can’t stand the thought that women don’t really care if they left.
We are actually glad that they’re leaving so we won’t deal with their disgusting behavior and can leave us with the good men that actually love having relationships with us and see us as people.
– sorceressensorcelled
Damn, sorry to hear that. Kinda strange that a man with a daughter (which he obviously cares about and respects enough to talk about various things with) would consider “joining” a movement that see women as lesser beings barely fit to take up space on the planet.
Quite confuddling.
Maybe direct him to this site and to some choice articles about MGTOW? Let him see this little group presented from outside their own echo-chambers?
Regardless. Wish you the best.
Oh man, I’d forgotten about Canadian Cock.
It’s maple flavored!
@fruitloopsie: I’ll definitely take those hugs. He’s been worrying me lately.
@Vanir: I’ll be doing that definitely. He’s never been one to have his head up his ass about gender issues, and has been known to respond to “she was asking for it” rape apologia with the phrase, “I don’t care if she was walking down the street naked, you don’t get to touch her unless she says you can.” He’s the main reason why I’m a feminist, so that phone call threw me for a loop for sure.
@sorceressensorcelled
Maybe your dad doesn’t really understand MGTOW in full. I know several people who called themselves libertarian based on a passing familiarity with the term, and who gave it up once they bothered to take the time and actually learn the ins and outs of the ideology. Maybe your dad heard about MGTOW in passing, and will realize it is horrible once he learns what’s actually below the surface.
I mean, MRA and MGTOW both have talking points that, if you’re not really paying attention, may sound like good things. He may just need more education to realize neither ideology is for him.
Only if they have maple syrup urine disease.
“We need to make this thing bigger, or we’ll both starve to death.”
First time posting a .gif…
*crosses fingers*
http://i.imgur.com/svehF8J.gif
@Policy of Madness: I think you’re probably right. He would probably find a lot of their attitudes disgusting if I gave him a link to one of the hubs. He just shocked me is all.
Did someone say COCK?
http://momandpopcultureshop.typepad.com/bloggedyblogblog/images/cocksoup_3.jpg
Yeah, you might wanna rethink your cutesy acronyms there, Menz Rightz “movement” of just two people, one of whom is an icky cootie-ridden woman.
sparky
That about sums it up. “You like GIRLS, you walking cootie hive!” “Nuh-uh! YOU do you oozing cootie zit!”
http://www.guns.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/gun-range-slapfight.gif
Then the rest of us can just sit back and watch.
http://i.imgur.com/Famc5JB.gif
katz
Falconer
The both of you owe me a new keyboard.
Men Gone Totally Out of Whack?
Sorceress – Hugs to you. Hope your dad can see the MGTOW for the overgrown children they are.
Silly question. If Elam is a feminist shill for letting women join his community, how do the MGTOW faithful feel about Diana Davison defending them?
I really doubt they stop hating women once they find one that agrees to date them.
In fact, judging from the folks that claim MGTOWs can be married (to women) and still retain the title, I suspect that the requirement is to virulently hate women and go out of their way to spew this hate everywhere, including all over whatever woman is unfortunate enough to get shackled to one of these fuckweasels.
@Catalpa – Sorry, should have clarified – “then it all goes out the window” refers to the never-have-anything-to-do-with-women part of the ideology. The hating women part is pretty much a constant.