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The Men's Rights Movement's ugliest divorce is getting uglier by the day. And funnier.

It seems like only yesterday that a Voice for Men’s Paul Elam and John “The Other” Hembling were the bestest of friends, laughing and joking together as they plotted to take over the world. Now, after an ugly falling out, the two are the worstest of enemies, and this whole MGTOW thing is making their ugly divorce even uglier.

You know that little war that Elam has going on with the MGTOWers, or more accurately, the MGTOWFAFPE (Men Going Their Own Way Far Away From Paul Elam)? Mr. Hembling and his girlfriend/comrade Diana Davison have allied themselves with Elam’s many enemies in the MGTOW world, and, well, Elam doesn’t seem to like this very much.

I present to you three recent skirmishes in their little war.

Dean Esmay, Breast Man

This first skirmish isn’t between Elam and Hembling themselves, but between each man’s most faithful lieutenant. On Elam’s side, AVFM’s “operations director” Dean Esmay; on Hembling’s side, the not-so-charming Ms. Davison, his partner in COCK. (No really, that’s the name of their organization.)

Esmay, angry at MGTOWers for mocking Elam’s new book on MGTOW, decides to lash out at Davison, whom he feels is seducing the MGTOW masses to the anti-Elam side using the power of her, erm, titties.

No, really. Here’s Esmay:

I added the red arrow.
I added the red arrow.

Davison’s video response (from which I got the above screenshot) is remarkably restrained, considering.

ANALYSIS: A major misstep from Esmay. Davison is a thoroughly terrible person; she’s the woman-hating woman who once wrote that “[w]omen are facing a very real and grave problem in our culture: They are obnoxious cunts.” And Esmay, through the power of his own obnoxious assholery, has managed to turn her, at least momentarily, into a sympathetic character.

Advantage, Team COCK.

John Hembling, Borrower

A writer on A Voice for Men reveals that Hembling plagiarized giant chunks of an Alternet article in a blog post of his that was later published on AVFM.

There’s really no question about it: a number of passages are similar, and one giant chunk is copied nearly word-for-word. Oops.

Hembling’s response? A video in which he breezily dismisses the charges, admitting only that he “borrowed” a couple of sentences, as if this is a thing that all writers sometimes do. Elam mocks Hembling’s glib response in a video of his own – perhaps the only time I’ve ever witnessed Elam on the right side of any argument.

Of course, the bigger question is why Elam ever thought that Hembling, a perpetual liar, could be trusted in the first place. Maybe because he doesn’t give a shit about the truth? Just a guess.

Advantage, Team Paul

The Battle of Dean Esmay’s Tooth

In what seems to be a transparent attempt to draw attention away from the whole plagiarism thing, Hembling makes a video about Dean Esmay and his missing tooth.

Esmay, you see, is missing a tooth. While Esmay sees this as somehow the fault of feminism – at least that’s what he seemed to suggest during his rather surreal appearance on a Detroit news show last summer – Hembling wonders aloud why Elam, who takes in many tens of thousands of dollars a year in donations to AVFM, can’t shell out a few bucks for some dental work for Esmay, the hardest working AVFMer of them all.

Advantage, neither. Hembling has a point, but bringing up the tooth thing is a bit of a low blow.

Stay tuned, because this war is likely to get uglier still.

It’s kind of delicious.

 

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daintydougal
daintydougal
9 years ago

Do mgtow see themselves as enlightened mra’s? Like both groups kvetch on about the terribleness of wimmins but mgtow are actually doing something about it*?

*Obviously not actually doing anything about anything, but y’know.

Biot (on a different browser this time)
Biot (on a different browser this time)
9 years ago

@daintydougal, there is:

Scarlettathena
9 years ago

MGTOW should stand for “Men Getting into Tantrums Over Women”.

sparky
sparky
9 years ago

Their entire philosophy appears to be: “Women bad! Raargh!”

For some reason, “Advantage, Team COCK” in the OP is cracking me up right now.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
9 years ago

@daintydougal It’s my first time being on the other side of a ninja’ing! There should be a commemorative hat or something to mark the occasion.

Yeah, MGTOWs don’t seem very committed to their ideology. They hate women intensely, until they find one who agrees to date them. Then it all goes out the window.

sunnysombrera
9 years ago

So who wants to bet that Paul Elam punched out Dean esmay at some point and that’s the source of the missing tooth?

Dean’s not a woman though.

sunnysombrera
9 years ago

MGTOW should stand for “Men Getting into Tantrums Over Women”.

ABSOLUTELY.

deniseeliza
deniseeliza
9 years ago

MGTOWs with girlfriends, incels getting laid regularly, it’s almost like they’re just motivated by wanting to whine on the internet about how hard it is that their every want isn’t provided by the nearest woman-shaped-object.

Myriad
Myriad
9 years ago

MGTOWs with girlfriends, incels getting laid regularly, it’s almost like they’re just motivated by wanting to whine on the internet about how hard it is that their every want isn’t provided by the nearest woman-shaped-object.

That makes me shiver. What must being in a relationship with them be like for the women?

andiexist
andiexist
9 years ago

@WatermelonSugar

I always read it “midge-toe.”

…I think I’m going to continue reading it “midge-toe,” because it sounds funny. And having an amusing-sounding acronym is their only saving grace.

Well, that and being just plain amusing.

AbsintheDexterous
9 years ago

I think the big difference is that there’s one GIRLFRIEND working with than WOMEN working for. So it’s okay if it’s your girlfriend and she knows her place and only disagrees to say something even more repulsive than the MRA does, but if she’s an actual woman making the same unreasonable and illogical arguments as the MRA would without being attached to a Leader Penis, then it’s EVIL and FEMINIST.

I used to be a “token female” with a group of (now ex-)friends and when I realized it, I stopped hanging out with them. If I am a “token”, you are not taking me seriously and probably never will.

WatermelonSugar
WatermelonSugar
9 years ago

@andiexist–

It’s fun, right? My dyslexia had me reading it as “mm-get-OW” when I first came across the term. I like that one, too.

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
9 years ago

Dan kasteray
“So who wants to bet that Paul Elam punched out Dean esmay at some point and that’s the source of the missing tooth?”

Paul said it himself that hitting men is not ok but hitting women is. So no bets here

Scarlettathena
“MGTOW should stand for “Men Getting into Tantrums Over Women”.”

Men Gonna To Obsess and Whine

Myriad
“That makes me shiver. What must being in a relationship with them be like for the women?”

Absolute Hell

Falconer
9 years ago

Oh man, so many popcorn gifs, I can’t choose.

PresidentJoe
9 years ago

I may have to slightly disagree with your assessment of Point 2. I’d call it a win for “neither”. Writer on AVfM exposes that Hembling is a plagiarist. Writer also inadvertently exposes that, unless we’re supposed to believe that they just happened to coincidentally notice this just now, AVfM willingly hosted plagiarism.

Nathan Hevenstone
9 years ago

I should feel bad.

But I don’t. I feel… happy…

I feel happy!

chaltab
chaltab
9 years ago

This is truly a battle of the titans.

Yeah, the Team Titans.

/joke nobody will get

gorillaella
9 years ago

I love how the MGTOWs get their shorts in a knot when trying to decide just how they should go their own way. Shouldn’t each one decide for themselves. Apparently not

DL
DL
9 years ago

Simply magnificent.

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
9 years ago

Chaltab
http://youtu.be/SXZddpxagPg
Today is hug day so everybody gets a hug! No really this actually does exist not something I made up.
http://www.smosh.com/smosh-pit/photos/20-epic-hugs