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Men Going Their Own Way tell Paul Elam to go away. BONUS: The terrible new MGTOW anthem

Men Going Their Own Way can't decide which way to go.
Men Going Their Own Way can’t figure out which way to go.

Oh dear. Paul Elam’s attempt to anoint himself King of the MGTOWs doesn’t seem to be going terribly well, mainly due to the fact that the overwhelming majority of those who call themselves Men Going Their Own Way would prefer it if he went his own way off a short pier.

His new ebook on MGTOW — despite receiving rave reviews from people who work for him at A Voice for Men — has not done quite as well amongst the MGTOW masses, many of whom are posting one-star reviews on Amazon.

Their complaints are a mixture of the reasonable and the ridiculous. On the one hand, they accuse him of being a con artist trying to cash in on their little movement with an ebook made up mostly of stuff that’s already been posted on the internet. On the other, well, they think he’s some kind of quasi-feminist supplicator to women who’s committed a sort of treason against his fellow men by not banning all women from AVFM. No, really:

 43 of 62 people found the following review helpful 1.0 out of 5 stars Story of a Shill, January 2, 2015 By  Brad P. - See all my reviews This review is from: Go Your Own Way: Understanding MGTOW (Kindle Edition) Paul Elam is almost universally hated in the MGTOW community and this book is his attempt to hijack and appropriate a fledgeling philosophy in order to make a cheap buck at best, or at worst subvert and pervert it.  MGTOW began as a direct reaction for men to be aware the risks of marriage and relationships with women, including the conception of children, and to either mitigate the risks on their own terms or protect themselves completely by practicing abstinence from sex, relationships and economic engagement in the face of a gynocentric structured tax system that unfairly transfers benefit and subsidy to women at the expense of men.  But Paul Elam is a known supplicator to Feminists as a means of getting a pass as a moderate and promoting his AVFM network and profiting from male suffering. Feminists are the direct culprit responsible for creating a toxic society that is extremely hostile towards men. Paul Elam advocates for traditionalism and insists that married men can be MGTOW too when that is the exact antithesis of MGTOW. In Western developed nations, traditionalism and marriage only serve to compromise male sovereignty, savings, sanity, and safety. Paul Elam's general conduct has alienated the best thinkers and contributors previously at his misguided website, as well as many other former subscribers.  MGTOW is about liberating men without any reservation, apology, or reverence to political correctness.  Between VAWA and divorce law, married men can only think they are going their own way. Only up until Princess Cupcake becomes unsatisfied and calls in Big Daddy Government to rough him up and take him away.  Save your money and time and PASS.

On their own websites, Elam’s MGTOW haters are even more blunt. Here’s what one commenter on MGTOWHQ had to say:

Re: reviews on paul's mgtow book aren't looking too nice  Postby comedian » Sun Jan 04, 2015 5:49 pm Personally, I always thought Elam was an agent of the plantation. Call himself a MGTOW leader, get a bunch of guys under his wing and gradually suck up to the twats towing his supposed MGTOW brigade behind him. That's what happens when you allow twats into your forum. I think it was a deliberate move on his part. To sum up, water down MGTOW to the point where it isn't MGTOW, it's men going Elam's way; back into the grinder.  His book isn't even worth the price of a McHappy Meal.

But my favorite response so far comes from a Youtuber who calls himself TheMadShangi. A few months ago, Mr. Shangi was a loyal AVFMer; indeed, he contributed a post to Elam’s site gleefully recounting how he’d been such a royal pain in the ass to me on Twitter that I stopped responding to him. (Or, as he put it, How I made David Futrelle cry and ragequit on Twitter.)

Well, these days he’s singing a different tune. Literally. Here’s his musical critique of Mr. Elam and his book.(The bit at the beginning is from a video Elam made baiting his MGTOW haters.)

Both sides in this MGTOW civil war are so thoroughly terrible I can only hope that they both go down in ignominious defeat, leaving us, the amused spectators, the only real winners.

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cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
9 years ago

They can be trained! As long as all you want to train them to do is eat and poop.

gilshalos
9 years ago

I must have been a cynical youth, I never believed enough to buy them and see how they well..weren’t what was promised.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
9 years ago

My parents got me them when I was about 8 and I kept watching the aquarium waiting for them to do something interesting.

gilshalos
9 years ago

@pallygirl Since the same comics had adverts for x-ray glasses (see through clothing but not just skeletons – women’s undwear!) I’d guess so

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
9 years ago

I love how daddy shrimp’s tail is conveniently covering his, um, shrimpy bits? In that ad.

pallygirl
pallygirl
9 years ago

@gilshalos: I used to be really sad living in New Zealand and not being able to buy those items, or Hostess Twinkies (which I tried when I visited Canada and 13-year-old me hated them).

Enjoy: http://mentalfloss.com/article/30420/11-shameless-comic-book-ads-cost-us-our-allowance-money

gilshalos
9 years ago

Also, 1 day till I am 44.(ok 0653 here cos i know other people have differing days to me)

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
9 years ago

Happy almost birthday?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
9 years ago

Also, I’d have been so bummed out if I’d been anticipating something mindblowing and got a Twinkie and what they actually taste like instead.

gilshalos
9 years ago

We couldn’t get them in Britain either, well, not affordably.

pallygirl
pallygirl
9 years ago

Twinkies are *horrid*. When the “twinkie defence” came up, I wondered how anyone could possibly eat enough of them in order to be affected by even just the sugar. The sponge is awful, and the mock cream is foul.

And happy almost birthday @gilshalos

weirwoodtreehugger
9 years ago

Nutty bars are much better than Twinkies.

Little Debbie > Hostess

gilshalos
9 years ago

For some reason…ok, watching Voyage of the Damned.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
9 years ago

What’s in a nutty bar? Other than nuts, presumably.

kittehserf - MOD
kittehserf - MOD
9 years ago

Ooooh I remember some of those ads!

gilshalos
9 years ago

Well really cos David Tennant.

pallygirl
pallygirl
9 years ago

I found a Wikipedia page on nutty bars: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutty_Bars

People in the USA seem to have a “thing” about combining peanut butter and chocolate.

Exhibit B: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reese%27s_Peanut_Butter_Cups

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
9 years ago

As long as you don’t feel the need to overshare about Tennant the way that Petrel dude was doing the other day, because that was well past fun fan appreciation into “no, sir, I did not in fact need a boner update that detailed”.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
9 years ago

Peanut butter cups are awesome, imo. Not the Reese’s ones though, those are too salty.

gilshalos
9 years ago

Oh, that was all I was going to say.

pallygirl
pallygirl
9 years ago

Yes, I find the Reese’s ones extremely salty too. What brand/s do you recommend instead?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
9 years ago

I get mine from Trader Joe’s, which I’m guessing would be impossible from overseas. Sorry! The Newman’s Own ones may be worth a try, though I haven’t tried them myself.

pallygirl
pallygirl
9 years ago

That Petrel-person oversharing stuff was really weird. Like they were trying too hard to establish “cred” or something.

I found a boner song. I am putting a space in the url as I don’t know what image it will settle on: http://youtu.be/ TCNdXE1UMLk

pallygirl
pallygirl
9 years ago

I tried Fig Newtons because of Janet Evanovich, when I visited San Francisco about…14 years ago. I preferred the strawberry.

I also ate Ben & Jerry ice cream.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
9 years ago

I’m not sure if he was trolling or if that was his rather odd idea of how to bond with the ladies. In which case his fixation on George Takei (who’s a lovely person, but everyone knows he’s gay, and also he’s twice the age of many of our commenters) was a bit puzzling. I think George Takei is great, but no, sharing boner notes about him with me will not make me want to be your bestie.