Noted pussyconomist Roosh Valizadeh offers these sobering thoughts on the rising costs — and decreasing quality — of vagina:
The quality of women—both their appearance and their attitude—is sliding to the bottom while the work we have to expend to meet these more inferior females is increasing. This phenomenon of pussy inflation is starting to force men out of the market, for what “average” man can find the time, ability, and motivation to seduce a merely cute woman who may only want to fuck him a couple times before becoming distracted by the next shiny object that gets placed in her path? If this inflations proceeds, the only men who will get laid consistently are ones who approach it like a job, blocking out a minimum of two hours a day to the task.
If anything Roosh is underestimating the dangers here. During Germany’s hyperpussyflation in the early 1920s, men had to devote as many as 3700 hours a day in order to score with merely cute women. Indeed, it is rumored that some of these men were forced to wipe their own asses in order to make themselves more appealing to women.
The reality we face right now is this: the quality of men around the world is increasing to compete with a decreasing quality of women. This is great if you’re a woman, because without lifting a finger you can get better than a couple years before. If you’re a man and didn’t step up your game recently, however, you will get lower results. If you don’t stay on top of the latest game scientific data or dating app, you will be out-competed. Or you’ll just get nothing. Inflation often helps those who have debt, but if you have no debt, if you lived life prudently and with virtue, inflation destroys your purchasing power. As much as men improve themselves, women are appreciating in relative value as they make all the wrong decisions with their lives. This is the world we live in.
To be honest, Roosh, I don’t think you and I live in the same world.
*sigh* I would like to have one, but for various reasons I’m scared of the very surgical procedure, so I don’t think I’ll ever have it done… Husband is a bit scared of a vasectomy as well, since his friend did one and had a tough time healing (although we both know that it’s usually really simple, but Husband has always been uneasy with medical procedures, and then his friend, and yeah)…
If it could be done by sheer magic, we’d both have it done in a second!
Well, if it reassures you any, mine was very easy. I was nervous as hell beforehand. My blood pressure was through the roof. But I was under anesthesia and out like a light in three seconds (seriously, they told me to count back from 100, and I only made it to 98) and when I woke up, I was being wheeled into recovery. I was already alert and asking all kinds of questions (was everything okay in there? Yes, they assured me, nothing abnormal showed up during the laparoscopy — they take a look at your ovaries while they’re scoping around for where to place the clips, apparently). I also had to wear a surgical maxipad because there’s a bit of bleeding afterwards from the clipped and severed tubes, though it’s less drastic than the first or second day of your period. I got prescription painkillers to take home, Tylenol 3s as I recall (yay, codeine!) And the worst side effect? Oddly enough, one of the side effects of the anesthesia they used was cramping of the calf muscles. I was hobbling around like an old lady for the rest of that day, and tired for two or three days after (no doubt because of the codeine, it makes you sleepy). But other than that? No problems at all.
Yeah, I do realize on an intellectual level that if you’re under anasthesia it’s no biggie, but I feel terrible thinking about someone going up through my vagina and then womb to do stuff… It’s a bit of a trauma from an old terrible gyn event. Sex doesn’t awaken any bad memories, but everything’s that’s got to do with someone going all the way up towards the womb in some kind of medical situation… yeah. Don’t like it.
@Dvarg,
I’m so sorry about the gynecologist-induced trauma. Internet hugs.
Yikes! That IS a bugger, all right. All the hugs if you want ’em!
On the other hand, with a laparoscopy, they don’t go in through the vagina. They make two nicks: One right below the navel for the scope, and the other right above the pubic bone for the clip-placement thingie. The uterus and vagina are left alone; they just go into the abdominal cavity to do the whole thing. It takes maybe half an hour in all. And the scarring is minimal; the one above the pubis is invisible now, and the one below my navel is about the width of my pinkie tip and almost invisible.
I hope this helps and is reassuring, in the event that you do decide to go ahead. If you don’t, though, I don’t blame you…past bad experiences will certainly do that.
@Dvarghundspossen
I’m sorry you had such a bad experience. Hugs if you want them as well.
Proxieme: Lucretius made that exact same point about centaurs; he pointed out that a 3-year-old horse is full-grown, but a 3-year-old kid is still a toddler.
@ Dvärghundspossen – I am so sorry that you had such a bad experience. Hugs, if you want them.
Re; tubals, I threatened not to leave the hospital after my youngest was born until they did a tubal. They talked me down, and I got my tubal 1 1/2 years later. I had a laparoscopic one and have no visible scars. I did have pain in my left side right after surgery, and for a few years after when I menstruated, but that’s resolved now. It’s been great, not having to worry about contraception! (this next bit might be TMI) but I did have to start using condoms for a bit after I had a needle stick injury at work, just until my blood work came back clear enough times!
@Warper
What does that mean, “women’s standards [are] too hard”? As in, we have them?
Why does this kind of complaint so often come from guys who themselves won’t even consider dating less than a 10?
It’s past midnight and I’m too tired to even with this.
Well, I don’t know that it is possible to address the concern of “Pussy Inflation” in a manner that doesn’t denigrate women. You’re welcome to try. Please proceed.
I think they’re waiting for women to go all, “Wait, come back! We’re sorry if we have any standards. Be as gross as you want! We’ll still want you!”
No. No. No. Just go. You idiots won’t be missed. GO already.
@warper
Look. Many of the men whom I know who have girlfriends, have dated a number of women, have had sex with more than one woman, etc…they’re not unbelievably handsome, incredibly ripped, really stylish, rich dudes. Some are very good-looking. Some are average-looking. A few could even be considered unattractive, though I don’t believe that their girlfriends see them as unattractive. Some are thin, some average-sized, and some large. Some are really athletic, but many are not. Some of them have good style while others are more casual. None of them could be called rich. Plenty of them could be called nerdy. In spite of this, they’ve all had good love lives and good sex lives, and I’d honestly say that, in my opinion, pretty much all of them dated women who were either about as attractive as they were or were slightly more attractive. (Again, though, this is my opinion, and both the men and the women in these relationships appeared attractive to each other.) This idea that only the hottest, sexiest, buffest, richest dudes can get women…it’s just not how things play out in my social circle.
It’s actually funny. Most of the guys whom I know who complain about getting rejected all the time and not being able to find a woman have actually have had several girlfriends, some casual relationships, and a number of random hookups when they’re not dating anyone. Not being able to find a partner who you want to marry or stay with for a long time can be discouraging if that’s what you’re looking for, but you really do have to wait for things like that. If you’re not finding that kind of relationship but you’re still having relationship, it’s because you have your standards and are sticking to them, which is a good thing. But at the same time, you’re not entitled to someone who does meet your standards–seriously, the universe isn’t going to just drop this person into your lap–so you ought to be patient while looking instead of complaining that no woman whom you’ve met who will date you meets these standards.
Another one? Is it Whine at a Feminist Week or something?
Isn’t every week whine at a feminist week?
Yeah, but we do seem to have had a bumper crop who want to explain how we’re doing it wrong this week.
It’s probably the same two or three overly persistent shitwits under a dozen different names.
Warper seems to be a different type of troll. He’s the kind who agrees with their misogyny but thinks that they’re presenting it wrong.
How on earth does one present misogyny wrong? The womenz see through the act?
Warper
So, you think that women asking for men to be decent people and to not hit us and to please think of us as, you know, people is too much for men to handle? (Because that’s literally what we’re asking for.) Individual women’s preferences aside, I mean.
And you want Roosh to put that in a NICE way?
The thing is, most people who follow Roosh’s advice (MRAs and PUAs primarily) are angry that, bare minimum, women’s standards are as follows:
– Treat me like a person who is equal to you.
– Respect my thoughts, feelings, and person-hood
– Don’t hit me.
– Don’t use me as a sex toy for your personal pleasure.
– Please follow basic hygiene protocol and wipe your ass.
That’s it. That’s the very bare minimum. Treat us like people and with respect and don’t whine about having to wipe your ass.
Yeah, some women want a tall, chiseled hunky doctor, but you know what? Some of us just want a decent person who doesn’t approach dating like a “game” that they can somehow win, and then who proceeds to get pissy when they can’t win, or women don’t want to play with them.
This one is mostly causing me to make confused frowny face. Perhaps he’s actually very clever rather than very stupid and that’s the goal. It’s kind of like the creation of the London ring road in Good Omens, create just a tiny bit of irritation and hope people pass it on to everyone they meet.
Poor grasp of economics, Roosh. If women are getting sluttier and more hypergamous as he likes to believe -> increase in supply. Pussy would only inflate if there were fewer women than before, or women became more sexually conservative.
What IS happening is that women have more economic power and can now choose to not have sex with/marry arseholes. Roosh getting less sex isn’t pussy inflation, it’s deflation of the value of LAME WEENIES. If offered rubbish weenies, women can now choose to go without and can now not starve. Solution: BE LESS OF A WHINY GROSS PUBE-FACED LOSER. Women having the ability to choose to go without and having free will – really sucks if you are an asshole who no woman with free will would want.
Thanks, Alaisvex, Bina and Myriad. 🙂 I feel stupid sometimes because it happened eighteen years ago, so I think I’ll be over it by now. But no, almost panic everytime I’m in that kind of situation… 🙁 Thanks so much for all the internet hugs.
Hey guys and girls thanks for answering, first of all I thank you for replying in a respectful way. As I said, I am not here to fight or anything but to gain as well as give perspective. I will try to address all your answers one by one and clear some misunderstanding from my comment. Please I ask you to have an open mind.
@Buttercup – “What does that mean, “women’s standards [are] too hard”? As in, we have them?”
Look man, what I mean is that in my experience and going from what I have read if you are not good looking and/or very socially apt is hard to date as a guy.
Do note I live in a place (Mexico City) where the situation is like this: Every average looking girl has pretenders, how easy is it to date when every average looking girl has around 3 people who clearly want to date her? You have A PRIORI demonstrate that you are better than all of the pretenders.
Again OF COURSE this is not universal, but seems to be (at least as far as I know) the general situation.
I don’t know if it is like this in other parts of the world, though.
“Why does this kind of complaint so often come from guys who themselves won’t even consider dating less than a 10?”
How do you know I won’t even consider dating less than a perfect 10? Why are you making presumptions about me? See man, I think the problem is that you are approaching me with a prejudice and you are not looking at what I say in a neutral way. Because what I said you didn’t liked you are now projecting in me stuff like refusing less than a perfect 10. Now if we are going to have a polite exchange of perspective I think is going to be hard if you are already acting on a biased approach to my character. My ex girlfriend was on possibly on negative numbers.
Do you won’t even consider less than a 10? Or why is it then that you project that on me?
“Well, I don’t know that it is possible to address the concern of “Pussy Inflation” in a manner that doesn’t denigrate women. You’re welcome to try. Please proceed.”
First of all by understanding I am not talking about Pussy Inflation, I didn’t used that term Mr Woosh (or however you spell that) is. What is being addressed is simply the fact that a lot of men are withdrawing from dating because they find dating too hard because of the standards they usually face. That’s all, no pussy inflation man. Is just simply a statement of facts.
@ Shiraz
“I think they’re waiting for women to go all, “Wait, come back! We’re sorry if we have any standards. Be as gross as you want! We’ll still want you!””
Hi Shiraz thanks for your answer. Hmmm that is an interesting perspective. But do note I am not even putting this in a negative light, I am just making a statement of facts. People withdraw from dating because they find dating too difficult.
“No. No. No. Just go. You idiots won’t be missed. GO already.”
That is certaintly a valid attitude to take Shiraz haha. Yeah, if people decide to go because they can’t compete you as well can reply them “Go then” of course.
@ Alaisvex
“Look. Many of the men whom I know who have girlfriends, have dated a number of women, have had sex with more than one woman, etc…they’re not unbelievably handsome, incredibly ripped, really stylish, rich dudes. Some are very good-looking. Some are average-looking. A few could even be considered unattractive, though I don’t believe that their girlfriends see them as unattractive. Some are thin, some average-sized, and some large. Some are really athletic, but many are not. Some of them have good style while others are more casual. None of them could be called rich. Plenty of them could be called nerdy. In spite of this, they’ve all had good love lives and good sex lives, and I’d honestly say that, in my opinion, pretty much all of them dated women who were either about as attractive as they were or were slightly more attractive. (Again, though, this is my opinion, and both the men and the women in these relationships appeared attractive to each other.) This idea that only the hottest, sexiest, buffest, richest dudes can get women…it’s just not how things play out in my social circle. ”
That is definitively possible. I have a childhood friend who dated a true bombshell, said friend is probably (and specially at the time he was dating her) ONE OF THE UGLIEST friends I have ever met. And I have seen him in the cinema at times, everytime with a new girl. I don’t know how the hell he pulls it off, yeah the guy is my hero. But is proof that indeed what you say is possible. I have to say though what this guy has is that he is REALLY smart.
“It’s actually funny. Most of the guys whom I know who complain about getting rejected all the time and not being able to find a woman have actually have had several girlfriends, some casual relationships, and a number of random hookups when they’re not dating anyone.”
That is in fact a case. However what I refer about are guys who flat out NEVER had a girlfriend or very few and in very hard ways let alone hookups. Guys who get rejected over and over and over and over again, yeah they exist and are mainly the type of guys who you will see retreating.
“Not being able to find a partner who you want to marry or stay with for a long time can be discouraging if that’s what you’re looking for, but you really do have to wait for things like that. If you’re not finding that kind of relationship but you’re still having relationship, it’s because you have your standards and are sticking to them, which is a good thing. But at the same time, you’re not entitled to someone who does meet your standards–seriously, the universe isn’t going to just drop this person into your lap–so you ought to be patient while looking instead of complaining that no woman whom you’ve met who will date you meets these standards.”
I get your points, that is again some cases. But when you are talking about guys who can get girlfriends in general you are looking past way above the dudes who just flat out retreat from dating.
These are dudes that really get rejected always or nearly always, NO I am NOT saying it is the women (or the guys) fault, I am just stating that this happen and this is why it happen.
@ M. the ranger.
“It’s probably the same two or three overly persistent shitwits under a dozen different names.”
Hey M. I can swear you that yesterday was in fact (as far as I remember) that I ever posted in this forum and have not posted under a different name. Unless somehow I stumbled upon this forum years ago, posted in it and I don’t remember.
By the way, nice GLaDOS avatar, love the character. Have you ever seen the Miku Miku Dance human versions of GLaDOS? They are funny.
@ Kitty
“Another one? Is it Whine at a Feminist Week or something?”
Whine? Hmmm, don’t remember doing that here. I simply stated that if the guy wanted to make a valid statement (ie that some guys are retreating from meeting women entirely because they find it too hard or they lost the will through rejection) he should not mix it with mysoginist rethoric. Unless you say I am whinning at the way the guy presented his points, in which case yes, you could say I am whinning.
“Warper seems to be a different type of troll. He’s the kind who agrees with their misogyny but thinks that they’re presenting it wrong.”
In what way am I agreeing with misogyny? All I said is that stating “Some men retreat from dating because they find dating too hard” is a valid thing to say. Is it a lie? No it is not. Is a stand alone statement by the way, note that in no way I am saying women are to blame. Is just shit that happens.
Now if you take that statement and say it means Pussy Inflation and add a lot of senseless rethoric then it can be made into a misogyny argument, but then again you can take any valid point and twist it enough to make it misogyny if you want by addind the right words.
@ Pally
Indeed certaintly you can’t present misogyny wrong. You can however grab a valid point and make it a misogyny stuff, which is why I think the guy in the article did.
Is saying “A considerable unknown number of men decided to just quit from dating or having a relationship with women becuase they consider it to be too hard either because of their standards or constant rejection” misogyny? I don’t think it isn’t, it is simply stating some facts. As you would state a news or as I would state that the sky is blue. Now using that simple fact and saying it is about Pussy Inflation and all that shit, is.
@ Paradox
“So, you think that women asking for men to be decent people and to not hit us and to please think of us as, you know, people is too much for men to handle? (Because that’s literally what we’re asking for.) Individual women’s preferences aside, I mean.
And you want Roosh to put that in a NICE way?
The thing is, most people who follow Roosh’s advice (MRAs and PUAs primarily) are angry that, bare minimum, women’s standards are as follows:
– Treat me like a person who is equal to you.
– Respect my thoughts, feelings, and person-hood
– Don’t hit me.
– Don’t use me as a sex toy for your personal pleasure.
– Please follow basic hygiene protocol and wipe your ass.
That’s it. That’s the very bare minimum. Treat us like people and with respect and don’t whine about having to wipe your ass.”
Certaintly this seems reasonable, at least for me seems to be so. But is it so in the majority of cases? I don’t know.
Bear in mind you say “That is the very bare minimum” which makes me ask, is it enough? Because some point I have seen in feminism blogs people complain about guys like this complaining about rejection is saying “That is just the minimum!” which makes me ask, would you date a guy who fulfilled these points even if he wasn’t handsome, smart, etc?
I have found that on top of all this most women want a guy who is “confident, good looking, witty, smart, funny, with social circles” etc.
Now I am not saying this is a bad thing, all I am saying is that some guys find this too difficult, some guys simply are not witty or socially smart or good looking or he may be an introvert or may just plain not be confident and those guys may consider retreating from dating the only option.
“Yeah, some women want a tall, chiseled hunky doctor, but you know what? Some of us just want a decent person who doesn’t approach dating like a “game” that they can somehow win, and then who proceeds to get pissy when they can’t win, or women don’t want to play with them.”
I have seen some “game” forums, of course not all. But at least I have to say a good number of people consider “winning” the game simply gaining a girlfriend. Now I am sure that there are a lot of assholes who just want to hurt women or guys who already are accepted and just want their own harem. But there are guys there who are simply there to get a girlfriend because they can’t, they claim no matter what they do, rejection is always the result. Of course yes, some could be said to be a product of being a jerk, but others going at least from what they write are people who are polite but the women they meet simply don’t find them attractive.
And it seems is precisely these guys the ones who take the “I am out” choice.
Who knew that there were 3 men for every woman in Mexico City? I await with baited breath the explanation as to how this happened.
@ Drunk
“Poor grasp of economics, Roosh. If women are getting sluttier and more hypergamous as he likes to believe -> increase in supply. Pussy would only inflate if there were fewer women than before, or women became more sexually conservative.
What IS happening is that women have more economic power and can now choose to not have sex with/marry arseholes. Roosh getting less sex isn’t pussy inflation, it’s deflation of the value of LAME WEENIES. If offered rubbish weenies, women can now choose to go without and can now not starve. Solution: BE LESS OF A WHINY GROSS PUBE-FACED LOSER. Women having the ability to choose to go without and having free will – really sucks if you are an asshole who no woman with free will would want.”
I find your perspective very interesting. Indeed from a pure economic and in fact I might say universal theory your premise is true.
This is why I complain about guys being expected by society to make the first move, I remember when I said that I was replied by a guy who said “If women approached men, the streets would be filled with sluts!” and I was like “Sigh……. man, you know this attitude is playing AGAINST you, right? If the street being filled with “sluts” mean that women now actively approach you and you don’t have to expose yourself to rejection, then wouldn’t it actually be better if that happen?”
Indeed this is what would happen is af you say “women are getting sluttier”, however I think if they get “hypergamous” then is another thing. As being hypergamous would make any benefits gained lost, since women would gravitate only to successful men.
Also, here are some puppies to make everyone who just read that whole teal deer feel better.
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