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If a #GamerGate-r plagiarises the John Birch Society on your blog and no one notices, does it make a sound?

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Dwight D. Eisenhower: A Gawker Media shill?

Reaxxion, the world’s crappiest right wing woman-hating excuse for a video game site, has now officially responded to my post revealing that a GamerGate manifesto they recently published was literally a repurposed John Birch Society newspaper ad from the mid-1960s, with words like “communist” removed and replaced with their GamerGate equivalents.

Whether the, er, “author” of the post was trolling, or just the world’s least subtle plagiarist, it was a giant embarrassment for Roosh and Reaxxion. And so, in the course of a nearly 1000-word post, Reaxxion “ethics officer” announces that they’ve shitcanned the author – and congratulates the site for its heroic bravery for throwing out a writer who copied his entire post from an old John Birch Society newspaper ad from the mid-1960s, with words like “communist” removed and replaced with their GamerGate equivalents.

That’s all well and good, because journalists aren’t supposed to copy pretty much their entire posts from a John Birch Society newspaper ad from the mid-1960s, with words like “communist” removed and replaced with their GamerGate equivalents. If you’re an editor and catch a writer doing this, you’re supposed to send that writer packing. (Remember Stephen Glass?)

But Roberts ignores what is really the most interesting and revealing thing about the whole incident, which is that a writer copied his entire post from an old John Birch Society newspaper ad from the mid-1960s, with words like “communist” removed and replaced with their GamerGate equivalents – AND NO ONE NOTICED UNTIL I POINTED IT OUT.

And why is that? Because the hysterical anti-communist rhetoric of the original ad sounds pretty much identical to the ridiculously over-the-top rhetoric that’s characterized GamerGate from the start. And it’s rooted in the same sort of reactionary politics.

Which is itself even more embarrassing than the plagiarism itself.

The John Birch Society, if you don’t already know, isn’t just a right-wing group. It’s a group so far to the right that even the National Review has denounced it. As a Southern Poverty Law Center Intelligence Report notes that for years those on the left and on the right basically saw the Birchers as “the political equivalent of an addled uncle sent down to the basement rec room to drink, rant and hopefully pass out” before he had a chance to thoroughly embarrass the whole family by saying something truly dreadful.

I found the Bircher’s newspaper ad in a newspaper from 1966. At that time, the Birchers were fierce opponents of the civil rights movement in general and Martin Luther King Jr. in particular, labeling him a tool of the communists. As the SPLC report notes, Birchers feared that “the African-American freedom movement was being manipulated from Moscow with the goal of creating a “Soviet Negro Republic” in the Southern United States.”

Of course, the Birchers saw communists hiding behind every tree and under every bed. Indeed, the group’s founder, Robert Welch, was convinced that even President Dwight Eisenhower was a treasonous Communist puppet, and that LBJ was plotting to turn the United States over to the Communists even as he sent troops to fight against the Viet Cong.

So congratulations, GamerGaters, you’re now as officially ridiculous as the John Birch Society.

It might be a good idea to reflect a little on your life choices.

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isidore13
isidore13
6 years ago

Right Wingnut, that is YOU not considering YOUR MOTHER bad. You’re aware there are OTHER PEOPLE who consider themselves pro-lifers, right? People who are not you? People who view the situation differently? Who basically think that that little clump of cells should have more rights than a living, breathing, already existing person?

isidore13
isidore13
6 years ago

Basically, Right Wingnut, what you are saying boils down to #notallprolifers. Come on. Be better than that.

Right Wingnut
Right Wingnut
6 years ago

@isidore13: Well sure I do. And I’m not here to argue on their behalf… too late for that I guess. Unfortunately when somebody thinks about the other side, often it’s in the worst light possible, kinda filling in assumptions about them to begin with.

E.g. “All SJWs are morons because I think I met one once that I didn’t like”…

Either way, @all, I come here for the articles, not because I expect to agree with everyone on everything. 😉 I am also the “enemy of your enemy”.

gillyrosebee
gillyrosebee
6 years ago

Ehrmagherd that video.

“I should have manned up and I should have fought for you,” Blandford says. “And I didn’t. I didn’t. I am so grateful that you are in Heaven with Jesus, the King of Kings, the Lord of Lords, and that you got to see him before I did. And I know you’re going to extend me grace, but I just—it would’ve been so cool to hang out with you here on earth.”

See, the woman in question doesn’t even come into it. She’s literally erased. There’s sad bro who missed out on his chance to “hang out” with a kid (all that other stuff, like feeding and cleaning and trips to the pediatrician, that stuff just happens by magic), and there’s the religious rhetoric, but there’s no woman there with hopes, dreams, or a real life of any kind. Nope, there was a baby in a jar one minute, and because he didn’t fight (how, exactly?) then, suddenly, there was no baby. There never was a woman, just a walking uterus that was full one day and empty the next.

A. Noyd
A. Noyd
6 years ago

“I only go the half hog in my misogyny. That makes me one of the good ones, right?”

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

It was really gross how they said they were the ones to have the abortion.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

It’s not like MRAs are the only enemies of feminism. I wish they were. David specifically mocks what he calls the new misogyny. The forced birth movement is the old misogyny and they are scarier than MRAs because they actually have political and cultural power.

gillyrosebee
gillyrosebee
6 years ago

Thing is, Right Wingnut, there aren’t many assumptions needed. I’ve talked to many, many “pro-lifers” and to a one they’ve all told me themselves that they were against things like easily available contraception (“it just encourages sinful behavior!” “no one should have sex if they aren’t trying to have or at least willing to rear a baby”) and good quality non-maternal childcare (“if she can’t afford to stay home with her kids why is she having them?!”) and support for single mothers and low income families (“why have kids if you can’t afford them?!”).

This isn’t a matter of “I think I met one once” but of the preponderance of evidence from many interactions. You are the one who happens to be the outlier.

isidore13
isidore13
6 years ago

agree w/gillyrosebee. I don’t think anyone here is asking you defend other forced birthers, but I would appreciate your explanation for being against abortion. Please tell me it’s some other reason than ‘well this is how I was raised’. That isn’t good enough. I was raised a forced birther, too.

gilshalos
6 years ago

If you are anti-abortion then you need top be pro-birth control, pro-sex ed, pro-well everything to stop people being pregnant. Abstinence don’t stop people getting pregnant. Ignorance don’t stop people getting pregnant. OK, tired but…

M. the Social Justice Ranger
M. the Social Justice Ranger
6 years ago

You are the one who happens to be the outlier.

And if he’s not lying about being an outlier, I’ll eat my Kermit the Frog laplander hat.

Right Wingnut
Right Wingnut
6 years ago

@isidore: Because if a “fetus” is a human after all, then being “pro life” is the decision to not let someone who cannot speak for themselves avoid the death penalty for, surprisingly, not committing a crime. If the death penalty is a bad thing for suspected criminals, what about the people who have not had the chance to commit a crime?

If “all you liberals” believe in eradicating the death penalty and “all you liberals” believe in racial equality, it’s a hard line to tow when 30% of abortions in the USA are for African-American mothers.
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html

I’m not saying there isn’t hypocrisy in the conservative community. I don’t like hardline conservatives who care more about party beliefs than moral behavior. But I also find it kinda crazy that I’m getting attacked from all sides and asked to explain my reasoning when everybody else here is buddy-buddy and unquestioning of each other’s ideals.

>When does an unborn child become human? What keeps them from being human until then? Age? Size? Location? Mental development? Physical development?
>Can we use born people’s age, size, location, mental development, or physical development to treat them as less human?
>If you call me “forced birth” do you call yourself “pro death” or something? Do we call the LGBT community “sodomites” and African-Americans “negroes”?
>When is it okay to kill a child outside of the womb for convenience? Seeing as they’re still dependent on the mother and all. As long as it’s the child’s mother deciding to kill the child, after all… some third party would be just, you know, sinful.

M. the Social Justice Ranger
M. the Social Justice Ranger
6 years ago

I was proven right in four minutes. That must be a new record. =P

isidore13
isidore13
6 years ago

Dude, we’re not here to do your bloody research for you. These questions have been asked and answered so many times. You are being boring. If you don’t want to question the beliefs you were raised with, that’s your business until you make it mine. But this is not Feminism 101 over here. Go do your research before you come in here to this space demanding we justify ourselves to you.

Shaun DarthBatman Day
6 years ago

Dude, you are being asked to drop it because it will never be your body affected (you will never be pregnant) and it is therefore not up to you. Any claim you make to ownership of women’s bodies, and make no mistake that is exactly what you are doing, is misogyny. You are misogynist, for all that you claim to respect women.

Right Wingnut
Right Wingnut
6 years ago

> If you are anti-abortion then you need top be pro-birth control, pro-sex ed, pro-well everything to stop people being pregnant. Abstinence don’t stop people getting pregnant. Ignorance don’t stop people getting pregnant. OK, tired but…

Well yeah. We can’t keep stupid people from getting pregnant, and the friendlier solution to paying for the abortion of their likely-to-be-stupid posterity is definitely to make the people less stupid.

Talked the other day at an adult store to a woman who was there as a second job. She took no pity on women who used pregnancy as a way to try to secure a husband, or on men who wanted to be unsupportive of their wives after there was a child on its way. She said quite frankly that she didn’t pity the women “who didn’t keep their legs shut.” I guess she’s talked to a whole lot of women who are careless and trying to use pregnancy as a bargaining chip too.

And she was very pregnant. With a child who’s going to be born with a deformity, from how it sounded. Her choice.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

Holy shit, that’s a hell of a double-down.

If “all you liberals” believe in eradicating the death penalty and “all you liberals” believe in racial equality, it’s a hard line to tow when 30% of abortions in the USA are for African-American mothers.

“All of us liberals” don’t believe abortion is murder. So, you know, that pretty much solves any dilemma you might be facing.

But I also find it kinda crazy that I’m getting attacked from all sides and asked to explain my reasoning when everybody else here is buddy-buddy and unquestioning of each other’s ideals.

Maybe because we’re all familiar with each other’s ideals and are generally in agreement due to being part of a self-selected community? Maybe?

isidore13
isidore13
6 years ago

Wow. Oh my god. You need to leave. Now. You are a total misogynist.

gillyrosebee
gillyrosebee
6 years ago

But I also find it kinda crazy that I’m getting attacked from all sides and asked to explain my reasoning when everybody else here is buddy-buddy and unquestioning of each other’s ideals.

You must be new here. Even David has gotten pushback from time to time.

Your questions are highly dishonest or tendentious, but I’ll bite.

1. No one is arguing that zygotes/blastocysts/fetuses aren’t human (they aren’t aliens or giraffes or anything), just that their potential existence and hypothetical future is subordinate to the woman carrying it. Her life, her body, her health, her choice.

2. Irrelevant and tendentious begging the (wrong) question.

3. We call ourselves pro choice because that is exactly what we are for. We want women to be able to choose what they need to do in their own individual situations. Most “pro-life” people only care about one potential life, and only care about forcing that life to birth regardless of the consequences for the woman carrying it and over and against any objections she may have. Hence “forced birth”

4. You tipped your hand there with the word “convenience” and also with the use of “child.” Thing is that upwards of 80% of abortions happen in the first 10 to 12 weeks. Yes, the zygote/blastocyst/fetus is human (again, no one is debating that particular straw argument) at that point, but it is not a child. The bulk of the abortions that happen after that point do so because some fetal anomaly so threatens the viability of the fetus that it might not live to be born or much after, or threatens the life or health of the mother who might otherwise not survive the birth either.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

I really wish I didn’t have this fever… My mind is going in a hundred different directions at once in an effort to grasp how monumentally horrid Right Wingnut has proven himself to me.

>If you call me “forced birth” do you call yourself “pro death” or something?

No, for two reasons. One, people don’t frame their own side negatively. Two, people aren’t pro-abortion because they want to see more fetal corpses, they do it because they want to improve the quality of life for everyone, parents and children alike (less children in the foster care system is a good thing, families not being forced to care for children they don’t want or can’t afford is also good).

Do we call the LGBT community “sodomites” and African-Americans “negroes”?

If by “we” you mean other right wingnuts, then yes. Yes you do. So?

gillyrosebee
gillyrosebee
6 years ago

Well yeah. We can’t keep stupid people from getting pregnant,

See, if you want people to give you the benefit of the doubt that you aren’t a complete misogynist asshole, you have to actually, you know, leave some doubt there.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

*proven himself to be

gilshalos
6 years ago

I got quoted by a pro-lifer!! Wow!
And damn, they used it to prove their case 🙁

isidore13
isidore13
6 years ago

I’m not even sure what you’re trying to do with that little anecdote. Prove that other women blame women for pregnancy, too? We knew that already. Prove that you’re using us as wank material (why mention that it was in an adult store?)? I’m kinda creeped out. Is this when they start bringing out their violent, explicit descriptions of what they imagine while fapping?

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

I think Right Wingnut has proven to me that anybody who uses smilies in their first couple posts, especially as a deflection, will invariably turn out to be a horrible person.

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
6 years ago

We can’t keep stupid people from getting pregnant, and the friendlier solution to paying for the abortion of their likely-to-be-stupid posterity is definitely to make the people less stupid.

FFS, abortion is not about eugenics! We’re not trying to breed stupidity out of the human genome. We’re trying to allow fully-actualized, living, breathing people decide what physical, emotional, and financial risks they’re willing to assume.

A. Noyd
A. Noyd
6 years ago

Fuck, but I hate these solipsistic forced-birthers who try to resolve what should be their own personal existential crises by attempting to dictate what us uterus-havers should do with our uteruses. They’re always so fucking smug about how different they are from the garden variety forced-birther even while they trot out all the same talking points. But noooooo, mommy almost aborted them, which makes them special.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

gillyrosebee sez:

Most “pro-life” people only care about one potential life, and only care about forcing that life to birth regardless of the consequences for the woman carrying it and over and against any objections she may have.

They also don’t seem to care that the “potential person” they’re standing up for might turn out to wish it had never been born.

Right Wingnut
Right Wingnut
6 years ago

@gillyrosebee
> The bulk of the abortions that happen after that point do so because some fetal anomaly so threatens the viability of the fetus that it might not live to be born or much after, or threatens the life or health of the mother who might otherwise not survive the birth either.

Source?

@isidore13
> Prove that you’re using us as wank material (why mention that it was in an adult store?)?

‘cuz that’s where I get toys, lol. I’m not exactly straight or innocent. #NotAllProLifers? But I do prefer toys to unwanted pregnancies so… also #NotAllProLifers.

@gilshalos
Yes, I proved a lot, lol. Mostly that I don’t think like the apparent anti-abortion people that are talked about so much in this thread.

It’s a bummer I agree on all of you on so much, and disagree about one thing, and yet have been demoted from “awesome feminist” to “forced-birth violent fapping misogynist asshole”. We have different sources of information, different points of view, I didn’t go full-180 after I was raised. Hopefully that doesn’t make me Satan, because I don’t think of you guys that way.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Right wingnut,

Honest question. If you were in a burning building with one infant and a freezer of 100 frozen embryos and you couldn’t carry them both, which do you save? The infant who is a living breathing sentient being or the embryos? If you truly believe that an embryo and a baby are the same, you should rescue the embryos because by the numbers, saving 100 babies is better than saving one. But in practice, would you really leave an infant to die at the expense of some embryos who won’t feel any pain and don’t even know that they’re alive?

thebewilderness
6 years ago

Dood, if you fail to grasp basic biology you are hopeless in this conversation. Google is your friend. Use it. I don’t know if you are ignorant or a liar but in either case, not our problem. Your problem.

M. the Social Justice Ranger
M. the Social Justice Ranger
6 years ago

Talked the other day at an adult store to a woman who was there as a second job. … She said quite frankly that she didn’t pity the women “who didn’t keep their legs shut.”

You don’t pity women “Who don’t keep their legs shut” (don’t bother with the bullcrap, even if the woman exists, you wouldn’t have added it if you didn’t agree), and you were at a porno store? Are you sure you’re a pro-lifer and not a garden-variety boner troll?

isidore13
isidore13
6 years ago

Dude, you proved that you think *exactly* like 95% of anti-abortion people. You’re not fooling a single person here. Why did you need to tell us it was in an adult store? What did that add to the story? Why tell us that story at all? I’m seriously creeped out.

Right Wingnut
Right Wingnut
6 years ago

>FFS, abortion is not about eugenics! We’re not trying to breed stupidity out of the human genome. We’re trying to allow fully-actualized, living, breathing people decide what physical, emotional, and financial risks they’re willing to assume.

Some people aren’t fully self-actualized. I feel like I’m being accused of that now, actually. Maybe I’m not. Hopefully that doesn’t mean you want to rise up in one accord and lynch me, like back in the days some people used pseudosciences to say some races had lesser-developed brains.

But seriously, I don’t wanna assume _that_ because I presume there’s a much better reason for believing what you believe. You care about the mother. That’s awesome. I can’t possibly condone any ignoring of the mothers done by other pro-lifers, even if it’s every other pro-lifer except me and my adopted/biological families. And that goes for all the things that you associate with my stereotypical friends, acquaintances, and influences. If they are wrong, they are wrong.

M. the Social Justice Ranger
M. the Social Justice Ranger
6 years ago

That was supposed to say “Hypocrisy ahoy” in there somewhere. Not sure how I lost an entire sentence.

isidore13
isidore13
6 years ago

You really have yet to explain why the fetus/blastocyst’s rights trump the mother’s.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

You think exactly like the rest of them. The bottom line is, you don’t think women should have bodily autonomy and you don’t think we are intelligent enough to make our own decisions about our own bodies. That makes you a misogynist whether you want to hear it or not. You don’t know jack shit about feminism if you think an anecdote about some woman agreeing with you is going to sway anyone.

Can’t you Google your own statistics about late term abortions? They are readily available and you’ve already found your way to the Guttmacher Institute before. If you don’t know the basic facts about who gets abortions and why, how can we expect to take your opinion seriously? I guess you like both forcing us to give birth and forcing us to do your homework.

Also, I don’t recall anybody ever calling you an awesome feminist. Who are you even quoting?

gillyrosebee
gillyrosebee
6 years ago

Source?

Um, that Gutmacher link YOU posted above? Go back and take a look at that page again.

Although I *was* wrongish. The statistic is actually 89% of abortions happening in the first 12 weeks, though I’m sure I’ve seen more recent statistics putting it closer to 92%.

Right Wingnut
Right Wingnut
6 years ago

@weirwoodtreehugger: What kind of building would have that? In what circumstances could I not rescue both? Isn’t this like one of those tests to determine who’s a psychopath?
http://bigthink.com/big-think-tv/are-you-a-psychopath-take-the-test

@thebewilderness: eh.
@M. the Social Justice Ranger: See last post. To be clear, I’d never say something like that to someone else, about someone else. But I kinda had to counteract the “YOU ARE A DUDE SO YOU CANNOT COMMENT” factor, a la Shaun. Okay, he really said “Dude, you are being asked to drop it because it will never be your body affected (you will never be pregnant)”.

gillyrosebee
gillyrosebee
6 years ago

Can’t you Google your own statistics about late term abortions? They are readily available and you’ve already found your way to the Guttmacher Institute before.

I love that I referred to the VERY SAME PAGE HE LINKED AS SUPPORT FOR HIS OWN POSITION but he somehow needs me to hold his hand and show him where it came from.

isidore13
isidore13
6 years ago

Right Wingnut, you posted it because you agree with it. Even if you don’t agree with that phrasing, you agree with the idea behind it, and you are pretending that’s not true because you know it’s indefensible.

Right Wingnut
Right Wingnut
6 years ago

@isidore13 When is it okay for the rights of the fetus (to exist) to trump to the rights of a mother (to end a unique human life)? When the mother’s life is actually at harm.

@gillyrosebee: I asked for the source that said most abortions are for saving the mother’s life. Here is the relevant portion from that link:

“Three-fourths of women cite concern for or responsibility to other individuals; three-fourths say they cannot afford a child; three-fourths say that having a baby would interfere with work, school or the ability to care for dependents; and half say they do not want to be a single parent or are having problems with their husband or partner”

So the other ~25% might be doing it for reasons other than convenience…?

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Oh hell no. You, a man (member of the privileged group) are trying to impose your will on women (non privileged group) are actually comparing us to white people (privileged group) lynching black people (non privileged group) because we are pushing back against you trying to foist your opinions on us?

Fuck you. Don’t you dare compare yourself to lynching victims. That’s really fucking offensive.

You just keep digging the hole deeper and proving that enlightened anti choicers dont exist.

A. Noyd
A. Noyd
6 years ago

This troll is as boring as he is obvious. Can someone who mostly lurks suggest he be banned sooner rather than later?

isidore13
isidore13
6 years ago

You know, that’s not actually an answer to the question. Posing a different question and then answering that is classic gaslighting. Answer the actual question. Why do the rights of a fetus/blastocyst trump the rights of a woman?

Right Wingnut
Right Wingnut
6 years ago

@weirdwood: First paragraph’s false, after “you, a man (member of the privileged group)”. Second paragraph’s based on first. Third paragraph’s based on the first two.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

The building is irrelevant. It’s a thought exercise. You’re just avoiding the question because you know that you’d pick the infant to save and that destroys your scientifically and legally unfounded theory that an embryo is a person.

gillyrosebee
gillyrosebee
6 years ago

Some people aren’t fully self-actualized.

Like people who are okay with abortion, right? So wanting an abortion means you can’t be allowed to have one, because if you were really fully self-actualized, you wouldn’t want one, right? That bit of tortured pseudo-logic is known as a tautology, skippy.

Right Wingnut
Right Wingnut
6 years ago

@isidore13: They’re both human so they’re both equal in my eyes.

Your question is a reverse of mine, which was when I asked when it’s okay to end the life of a person (age? size? mental development? location?). I asked first. So by The Rules Of The Internet I’d love an answer.

😉 😀 🙂

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Know you aren’t a man? Because earlier you said you were.

Anyone else starting to get a whiff of sock?

M. the Social Justice Ranger
M. the Social Justice Ranger
6 years ago

Thought exercises don’t work on people that can’t think.