How often has this happened to you? You’re reading a thoughtful blog post or comment from a Men’s Rights Activist and you find yourself thinking:
“Gosh! This post or comment on how women are a bunch of malevolent parasites/men are the real slaves if you think about it/women were never oppressed because they could just get maids to clean the house is so witty and wise. I only wish it were 50 times longer, and that I had to pay money to read it!”
Well, I’ve got good news for you: Now you can!
A Voice for Men, having already given the voiceless male gender a way to express itself online, has now launched A Publishing House for Men to give them a way to express themselves in book form!
Well, e-book form.
A Voice for Men’s new publishing house has just published its first book – well, e-book — a slim volume of thoughts on Men Going Their Own Way, written by Peter Wright of Gynocentrism.com with help from AVFM’s Paul Elam, using some material already published online!
Well, technically speaking, this is a relaunch. AVFM Press originally launched last October with the publication of this same book. But Elam decided to call a do-over. No, really.
On October 25th, you see, a bulletin on AVFM proclaimed that AVFM Press was publishing Go Your Own Way: Understanding MGTOW — an e-book it predicted would be but “the first of what will surely become a lengthy series of ebooks (and some hardcovers as well). … let’s get AVFM Press on the map as the iconic source for true red pill appetites.” (A source for appetites? I thought the source for appetites was an empty stomach?)
One day later, Elam announced that he was recalling the e-book.
What I have discovered … is that there were several procedural, legal, and formatting errors that should have been addressed before launching the book.
I made a whole bushel of lemons, folks, and the fault for that lies squarely on me.
But I do make some pretty good lemonade, which I am in the midst of doing as we speak.
I have pulled the book from Amazon Kindle for the time being, and I am removing purchase links from every place they now exist.
After the deficiencies with the product have been corrected, it will be re-launched at a level of quality that AVFM readers deserve, which is the very best possible. All the other issues will be corrected as well.
Please accept my apologies for the mistakes. This whole process of publishing is quite complicated, actually.
It is, Paul, it is.
Happily, Elam announced, the eager customers who’d hurried to buy a copy of the defective book on its first day of publication would be given a copy of the corrected book when it came out. All twelve of them.
That last bit isn’t a joke; according to Elam himself, there were literally twelve of them – less than half the number of those on AVFM’s masthead.
Elam also decided to call a do-over on AVFM Press itself – or at least its name — declaring that
AVFM Press is actually a working title for our publishing arm and will likely change very soon.
But now all the details have been sorted out, right? Well, mostly.
Yesterday’s big announcement on the launch – the real launch, this time – of AVFM’s new publishing house did not actually provide a name for the venture. At least not one that I could find. On Amazon, the publisher of the revised edition of Go Your Own Way is still listed as AVFM Press.
But never mind, because the book is getting rave reviews on Amazon!
For example, a woman named Suzy McCarley declares that the book “was worth the wait!”
Ok, so McCarley is an AVFM staffer who’s given 5-star reviews to everything she’s reviewed — from self–published books by manosphere blogger Aaron Clarey to Avalon Extra Moisturizing Fragrance Free Conditioner. But not all of the rave reviews are written by AVFM staffers under their own names. For example, a fellow calling himself xtime Past gushes:
There is great content for Men and Women of all ages. Most of red pill are apprehensive in reading this book since Paul Elam is a part of the MHRA arm of the manosphere. The read is great for MGTOW to better understand going their own way.
So I would like to congratulate AVFM’s Possibly Still Unnamed Publishing House for Men Who Don’t Write Good for getting off to such a strong start, at least if you ignore that first start that didn’t go so well.
During AVFM’s last donation drive, Elam declared that:
This year will see AVFM go into commercial ventures that will fund even more activism. I cannot go into any details at this point, but rest assured it is coming, and as with most everything else we have set out to do, we are going to pull it off. This track will ease the pressure on some of our larger donors who have always seen us through donation drives.
AVFM’s Possibly Still Unnamed Publishing House for Men Who Don’t Write Good is the first of these new money-making ventures. Because as everyone knows, a vanity publishing house that so seriously fucks up its first e-book launch that it has to do it over again two months later is pretty much guaranteed to be a massive cash-generating machine.
It kind of needs to be, as AVFM’s last donation drive (which just ended) didn’t do quite as well as Elam had hoped, at least according to this little thermometer graphic posted on AVFM.
I can only assume that authors will be rushing to sign up with AVFM’s Possibly Still Unnamed Publishing House for Men Who Don’t Write Good, so that AVFM’s Possibly Still Unnamed Publishing House for Men Who Don’t Write Good can put its name (which may be changed) on their ebooks – and take a share of the profits, if any, hopefully without introducing too many formatting errors in the process.
No, I can’t see how this could possibly go wrong.
Kudos, Paul!
All of them. Which just shows how boringly cookie-cutter this dipshit and his sock-scented brethren are. And yet, they
projectthink women are a hivemind…Oh look, and this one’s a racist as well. Yep, he’s so cookie-cutter the gingerbread man’s penning his cease and desist as we speak.
Oh my god. Not another one of those “expecting men to be considerate of women is exactly the same as expecting a non-white person to be considerate of the majority group” trolls.
Crime isn’t all about size, idiot. It’s also about social dynamics. Dominant groups (men, whites, straight, cis, able-bodied, neurotypical etc.) are much less likely to be targets of violent crimes than women and minorities. The stereotypes about the scary black man and the mugging latino are just that: stereotypes that are made up by the dominant classes for the sole purpose of othering minorities and make violence against them seem like no big deal, even justified. A member of a dominant group has far less to lose by physically assaulting a member of an oppressed group than vice versa, because of our patriarchal, white-centric, heteronormative system.
Reverse-racism doesn’t exist because minorities don’t have a social and political system backing them up even when they do unacceptable things. Same with misandry. There is no widespread belief that men are not “full members of society”, since it’s a given that they are. Men are the default. Whites are the default. Not so with minorities. The comparison fails because the group dynamics are nothing alike.
And yes, you’re being predictable and tedious. Learn some Feminism 101 before pretending to be an expert on social issues.
Hmm, the first sentence came out wrong. The actual meaning behind the sentiment is “expecting men to be considerate of women is exactly the same as expecting non-white people to be wary of and subvert whatever racist stereotype we like to attribute to them.”
Oh, so fuckwit troll drags out the NZ equivalent of “but black men are scary!” schtick so beloved of USian racists.
Fuck you, sonny. You’re making a totally false equivalence between the class that has power, privilege and entitlement (men) over the class that doesn’t (women), and a class that does not have any of those things (Polynesians) over that which has (whites).
Why is putting someone’s mind at ease such a terrible, terrible imposition for you? Why does it not matter to you at all that women do live in fear, and it’s fear based in reality?
One in five, shit-eater. One in five women will be raped in her lifetime, on global averages. Those figures are far, far higher for specific populations. Odds are that every day you’ve seen or spoken to a woman who’s been raped. Yet you think the only thing that matters is your pathetic sense of entitlement to our time and attention.
You’re not worth a bucket of pig spit.
Ninjaed by Anarchonist!
Ah, but yours is a much more eloquent way of putting it, plus your creative turn of phrase “you’re not worth a bucket of pig spit” may just be one of my new favorite things ever, so I’d say we’re square!
Merci monsieur! 😀
I thought pig spit would make a change from cat pee.
As for eloquence, I thought you explained it much more clearly and fully. Not that it’s going to be worth either of our efforts, since this is just another misogynist troll stewing in the unfaaaaairness of all those women and non-whites daring to have more important concerns than his delicate fee-fees.
Another “a woman being raped isn’t as bad as…” troll. Usually it’s “a woman being raped isn’t as bad as a man being falsely accused” but this one seems to be ” a woman being raped isn’t as bad as some women avoiding some men to prevent themselves from potentially being attacked.”
To the first kind of troll I’d like to tell them that the chances of a woman being raped is way WAY higher than the chances of a man being falsely accused. Hell, the chances of a man being raped are way higher than of a man being falsely accused.
To the second type, like our visiting sea lion here: it’s been said before, but if an encounter between a man and a woman goes wrong the worst that will happen to her is she is raped, and the worst that will happen to him is he gets his ego or feelings hurt. Stop baulking at what women do to protect themselves and start helping to defeat the attitudes that are behind rape in the first place.
Also, from what I’ve read you’ve done a poor job of debating so far. Every counter argument you make is barely a counter argument, it goes off on a tangent and simultaneously attacks a straw man. It’s like playing tennis with someone who whacks the ball sideways and thinks they’re playing skillfully.
Everyone else is still in bed. Must contain fit of giggles.
I am Jack’s complete lack of surprise.
@sunnysombrera
Brilliant analogy!
Troll: “Oh, so that’s how it is? Counter this!”
Everyone else: “What is this I don’t even”
@Lea:
I am Jack’s wine-drenched keyboard.
@kittehserf
True dat. And, as indicated by contrapangloss and sunnysombrera, I think boredgames has been an exercise in spotting and dealing with a sealion. Tedious? Check. Ignorant? Check. Willfully obtuse? Check. Unwilling to learn? Check. Keeps asking more questions instead of focusing on the ones that have been answered? Check. Expects others to keep answering said questions instead of educating himself? Check. Pretends the answers given are not enough so that he can justify more pointless questions? Check. In the end, is not going to reexamine his views even though his whole worldview has been challenged, and will probably just “agree to disagree” or some shit like that/ keeps going until he is banned for tediousness? Likely check as well.
So, in the spirit of freemage’s advice on the other thread, I’d now like to ask boredgames a question:
What difference do our replies make? Are you going to actually try to learn anything, or are you JAQing off and wasting everyone’s time? You clearly know jack shit about feminism or social dynamics and can’t possibly hope to convince anyone, so what exactly are you trying to accomplish here?
No one is asking men to preemptively identify themselves as dangerous. Most men are perfectly nice people who do not stalk, harass, and rape women. But an enormous number of women get stalked, harassed, and raped, almost entirely at the hands of men, and will therefore not be comfortable assuming that those footsteps rapidly approaching from behind belong to a harmless power-walker, rather than an attacker. Stepping into an elevator late at night comes with the memory of the headlines of women who have been raped and killed in elevators. Going anywhere after dark, alone, is fraught with the knowledge that I am not as safe as I am in the day, and if I get raped, I will get told how foolish I was to venture out of my house just because I needed groceries.
It’s not any man’s job to make women feel safe, but if he knows that there are certain behaviors that make women feel unsafe, and he does those things anyway, he can’t then get pissy about the fact that women aren’t comfortable around him.
Again, we all are mindful of our projected threat level all the time. You don’t give strange children candy and offer to show them your puppy, even if you’re the nicest person in the world and really do have a puppy, because kids know that you shouldn’t take candy from strangers, and it makes you look creepy. You don’t go to the store and carry items in your coat pockets, because even though *you* know you’re going to pay for that, the people watching the security cameras don’t. Basic social awareness comes with a recognition of what looks bad and how to not freak people out.
The problem is not that men are inherently bad, or that being around men is never safe. The problem is that predatory men do things like, oh, I dunno, isolate a woman on an elevator, or run up behind her on a lonely sidewalk, or insist on having a conversation that she doesn’t want to have and getting up in her personal space, etc. etc. etc. Basically all the things “Schrodinger’s Rapist” asks good men not to do.
*applauds Kootiepatra*
So yesterday’s troll was a racist who harassed a female coworker for six months and now whines that her friends see him how he is. Does that adequately sum it up?
Thanks muchly kootiepatra. Saved me writing a teal deer and said everything I wanted to say much more clearly.
@kittehserf
t’s a rubbish argument. Most crime is within community of course, but there’s no evidence that racial identity of the would-be victim in circumstances suggested here (walking alone at night in mde makes them any less or more likely to suffer assault.
Men are FAR more likely to be the target of violent crime than women, completely miffed it there I’m afraid. That along with accounting for almost all workplace deaths, a 50% higher suicide rate, shorter life expectancy and less taxpayer resourcing for targeted health care (even factoring out maternity care) Empathy? Not happening. Honoured to be your Not Worth Bucket of Pig Shit and Willing Taxpayer/Packhorse.
“Why does it not matter to you at all that women do live in fear, and it’s fear based in reality?”
Because many don’t, or they’re doing a good job at hiding it, being relaxed in situations in which you think they should be fearing for their lives (some people just let the team down I guess). Women drink in bars, sometimes alone around groups roudy men then don’t know wel, something that always surprised me, Women even say hello and approach you and ask directions when they’re alone, something most of us would never do to them.
What prevents harassment and assault is not harassing or assaulting people, not supporting men who do or their attitudes. Scurrying out of spaces like some sort of sub-human does little but perpetuate an ugly male stereotype (about *other* men, so it’s okay), playing up to neurotic fears. And at what point is it ridiculous to expect ‘compliance’.
“Yet you think the only thing that matters is your pathetic sense of entitlement to our time and attention”
What mattered (to me) was being unfairly portrayed as a predator in as much as non-existent friends and the prospect of unemployment, not her or some random stranger’s attention. Either you’re not reading or are in a habit of deliberately misrepresenting people as a nasty ploy.
@sonnysombrera
“Another “a woman being raped isn’t as bad as…” troll. Usually it’s “a woman being raped isn’t as bad as a man being falsely accused” but this one seems to be ” a woman being raped isn’t as bad as some women avoiding some men to prevent themselves from potentially being attacked.”
Bullshit, never said that, disgusting of you to imply it. Crossing the street does not stop rape. Being a male and complaining about anything to do with women or unfortunate gender dynamics does not suggest that they’re equivalent problems, make him a rape apologist, minimise rape, or invalidate women’s humanity You’re just trying to apply all sorts of ugly motives to me, which seems to be fairly common around here. ‘Anarchonist’ took the time to argue like he was speaking to or about another human being, you and the rest of the pack on the other hand…
It is incredible to me that this d00d absolutely refuses to accept that he was behaving like a predator and so therefore his coworkers think he is a predator. D00d! You are not unique. Men behave unprofessionally in the workplace on a regular basis and then when they are finally called on the carpet for it they play the “I was only” game. That is what you are trying to do here and just as your coworkers did not buy it neither do we.
The woman was there to work. Your persistent predatory behavior over a six month period created a climate of fear. You made it quite clear to everyone BY YOUR BEHAVIOR that you are not safe to be around. That will effect your ability to gain and retain employment. Not the way your coworkers react to your predatory behavior by complaining. The predatory behavior itself must change if you expect to succeed in the workplace.
Let’s see. Bored thinks the only way to address the problem of rape is to ban sex. Yet he wonders why his female coworker found him creepy? That really says it all.
^^ I don’t know where you get off, but if you’re not going to believe a word I post, then what’s the point of reading them or replying?
It’s too bad Rad Fem Hub is now defunct, you would have fitted in perfectly.
..@thebewilderness…
Uh, Anarchonist straight up called you a troll and suggested that you are here in bad faith…
Thank you. I did fit in quite well at the Hub. At Twisty’s too, fyi. That is because I am an old “second wave” feminist who sees right through your specious bullshit.
There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for anyone to believe anything you say. You have clearly demonstrated here that you are an “enormous mendacious disembodied anus”. (Sung to the tune of Kokomo. Courtesy The Poorman)
I can’t say with confidence that boredgames is actually bored, but he certainly is boring. “Waaaaah women complain when I harass them, how will men ever get laid if they aren’t allowed to harass women, waaaah think about the poor menz!” Nothing original there.
http://i.imgur.com/calaosD.gif
Troll is so boring… Can’t stay awake…
Of course he only respects the comments made by the commenter who identified himself as a man.
Men are more likely to be the victim of a violent crime. But when a man is assaulted or killed the perpetrator is most likely to be another man. When a woman is assaulted or killed the perpetrator is usually a man. In the US, 90% of homicides are committed by men. Talking about male victims of violent crime does not help make the case that women shouldn’t be cautious around men. It just indicates that men should be nervous too.
And I don’t recall Schrodinger’s Rapist saying that men have to cross the street if a woman is walking there. It’s more of a suggestion that you not push it if you attempt to interact with a woman and she seems suspicious or annoying. It’s simply a plea to respect our boundaries. So yeah. Bored, it’s not a surprise your coworker got creeped out by someone who is offended by a woman having boundaries and it’s not a surprise your other coworkers sided with her.