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This just in: Pretty chicks are ruining video gaming. Also ugly ones.

Protect yourself, men!
Protect yourself, men!

Over on Roosh’s Return of Kings site, the lovely individual known as Redpiller1985 has totally figured out what has ruined video games, which sadly “have declined since their great rise in the 70′s-00′s.” He’s looking at you, ladies!

Ok, well, that’s not exactly a new sentiment to hear from a #GamerGater. But Redpiller1985 has managed to precisely identify just which kinds of ladies — sorry, “chicks” — are ruining gaming the most: the pretty ones who actually play video games. Or at least pretend to!

You go to any Youtube channel about gaming and it will have a useless pretty chick talking about her experiences with Pokemon as a child. These women are not actual gamers but women riding a fad. They’re called “Gamer Gurls” for the reason to mock the gurl phrase that feminists like to use. These semi-attractive chicks have learned that they can get the princess treatment by pretending to be a video game enthusiast.

Huh. You mean like this person or this person or this person? Or possibly this person?

But I digress. As it turns out, according to Redpiller1985, there is another kind of chick who is also ruining gaming: the ugly ducklings. Well, the ugly ducklings that grow up to be ugly chicks, that is.

Also another type of chick started to pop up. These women though don’t have the facade of being attractive. Instead they use videogames to up their social status. The land whales realized that if they could fake their enthusiasm for games, some video game beta would find them attractive as well. The betas fight over these chicks and since they’re all manginas of the highest degree. This is one of the reasons that betaness and even omeganess are the norms in video game culture.

I’ve prepared this helpful Venn Diagram:

venndiagramAnyway, these chicks are why Call of Duty is more popular than the unnamed “quality products” that Redpiller1985 prefers are objectively better than Call of Duty, which is apparently (who knew!) bought mostly by “chicks.”

 Girl gamers and their beta male hangers-on rather buy Call of Duty than support quality products. Don’t let women in to your sub-culture unless you want it permanently disfigured. Too bad they already did it to my favorite sub-culture.

Redpiller1985’s complaint about Call of Duty is just a teensy bit ironic, given that not long before he wrote his post, a contributor to Roosh’s terrible gaming site Reaxxion had declared Call of Duty “the best shooter series ever,” in part because it has flamethrowers. (No, really.)

Redpiller1985 also complains that chicks are destroying the fine art of video game journalism as well:

Women and beta males have made video game journalism an entry point for dilettantes with humanity majors. … Video game publications have turned into tabloids with female writers at the helm. Most people can’t name a female game journalist because they coast on their male colleagues who do the actual work.

Well, actually, most people can’t name a video game journalist because they don’t actually give a shit about video game journalism, which is barely journalism at all.

But it is a little ironic to see complain about someone else’s journalistic ability, given that he is writing for what many consider the worst blog on the internet. And that he is also the author of this, er, sentence:

The betas fight over these chicks and since they’re all manginas of the highest degree.

Since they’re all manginas of the highest degree WHAT?!

Only time will tell, because redpiller1985 never finishes that thought.

H/T — @thrillith via r/GamerGhazi. And then another H/T to @thrillith for also tweeting about that Reaxxion piece on Call of Duty.

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magnesium
6 years ago

They’re called “Gamer Gurls” for the reason to mock the gurl phrase that feminists like to use.

What?

Wait, why wouldn’t people with writing careers be humanities majors? Has he seen how most STEM majors write? He should try deciphering a programmer’s design document some time. Or does he think that a lot of game developers would like to give up programming for a lucrative career in video game journalism?

Disq
Disq
6 years ago

whats really ick about that site is the damn disqus comment section. (on that particular article is much better than usual, though)

Binjabreel
6 years ago

Like all dumbass manchildren, he thinks that studying anything but math and physics is a waste of time, since his mighty man brain is surely able to do something as simple as write a cogent sentence without special training, and everyone knows that all interpersonal interaction can be fully described by Maxwell’s equations of electromagnetism.

amandajane5
6 years ago

Hahahahaha! As a woman who counts EA among her former employers I’m highly amused by this. I don’t happen to personally like Call of Duty, because I don’t happen to personally enjoy first person shooter games, but I’ve certainly played it — it is one of the many many many many games I have played. But honestly, video game journalism is an entry point for English majors? Wha? The only people I know who play a game because they’ve read about it are people who are already playing games and reading about them. No one who doesn’t play games is going to pick up some gamer mag and decide to go drop a couple of hundred dollars because of some article praising yet another game with a complex plot of “shoot things, pick up stuff, shoot more things, pick up more stuff.”

gilshalos
6 years ago

You know, I once had an employee of White Wolf offer to get me a column n their magazine auditing WW MUSHes. These people make me wish I had taken him up on the offer.

Shalimar
Shalimar
6 years ago

These semi-attractive chicks have learned that they can get the princess treatment by pretending to be a video game enthusiast.

The “princess treatment” in this case being remarkably similar to gaslighting. Only pathetic betas fight over these chicks. Luckily, you can’t tell over the internet how much he drools whenever a woman speaks to him. He’s a goddamn alpha here.

ZILtoid1991
ZILtoid1991
6 years ago
Adam Pack
6 years ago

“Well, actually, most people can’t name a video game journalist because they don’t actually give a shit about video game journalism, which is barely journalism at all.”

I could not agree more with this. I do not give a shit about video games. It is of no interest or importance to me or most people I know. ‘Ethics in video game journalism’? I literally couldn’t care less. Threats of rape and murder on the other hand, I think they’re quite bad. And when I say ‘quite bad’, I mean, ‘you should probably be prosecuted for that’.

sunnysombrera
6 years ago

Is that image your creation David? Since GG memes are the embodiment of Poe’s Law I am genuinely somewhat confused as to whether that’s a parody or not…

Also, as a humanities major, I can say with certainty that there is a truckload of skills that can come out of one. Like how to put forth an argument, debate with reason and properly analyse what someone else had written. (History is my specialty).

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

Funny, when I see the phrase “fake gamer” what comes to mind is the male gamer who puts his gameplay videos on Youtube and is objectively bad at them, yet asserts that he is actually a god of gaming and it’s the game’s fault he can’t be bothered to learn the controls.

I won’t name this guy, because there is more than one and they’re pretty much all the same, and they’re all dudes.

grumpyoldnurse
6 years ago

@ sunnysombrera – apparently, being a humanities major also prepares one to write in a coherent, readable manner. Something the quoted d00dbr0 is incapable of.

proxieme
proxieme
6 years ago

Oh, oh dear.

They’ve figured me out.

They’ve uncovered my devious plot.

It’s been a long time in the making – I began to lay the groundwork at a very young age

http://imgur.com/bdVQfwl

And continued with my nefarious ways by becoming obsessed with Zelda.
Oh! The machinations of a 6-year-old FEEEEMALE!

All those years of playing video games – countless hours – all in service of my ultimate goal:

TO BE EITHER FETISHIZED OR REVILED (or both at once) BY MALE GAMERS (the only TRUE gamers, obvs).

BWA HA HA HA HA!

AT LAST!
ALL OF MY DREAMS HAVE BURST INTO WONDROUS, HIGH-DEF REALITY!!1!1!!

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

This dude was into games before it was cool.

But wait, the great success of games between the time they first started appearing in the 70s up to the aughts? Pretty sure there was an extremely famous crash in the mid-eighties as companies pushed out quantity over quality and went bankrupt as a result. Hardly just a culture of “making fun games to sell to consumers.”

This guy must not be involved in any programming field whatsoever… because the idea of some people developing theory while others focus on practical products is not even close to new or strange. Things like the “narrative models for relationships” that this bozo is ridiculing? No different than the myriad of theoretical frameworks for rendering, agent-based software, various OS models, sims, and practically anything else that real programmers use as a reference on a daily basis. They are invaluable for people who want to create a rich product but don’t have the knowledge or time to create everything from scratch.

But really, arguing with this lot is beyond useless. Not only is the original post written with the wit and rhetoric of an asshole frat boy, but the comments section has actual women arguing with the premise. The result?

Misty Baragar

hahahaha! I am a girl and have played in tournaments, all across the united states, and I have placed third on an all girl team before so idk where you are trying to pull your facts from.

UnpluggedBeta

I didn’t realize that farmville supported tournament play.

Dan kasteray
Dan kasteray
6 years ago

And it never occurs to him once that women actually enjoy video games. It all has to be about him. Most of us outgrew that when were five

cupisnique
6 years ago

Pretty much the only time I ever witnessed someone using their gender to get any kind of special treatment was in an MMORPG where a guy was pretending to be a girl and going around flirting with guys to get free stuff. I think he was able to dupe like one person. I always found it really ironic though.

Pocket Nerd
6 years ago

Thus Spake ZaraDavid Futrelle:

Redpiller1985’s complaint about Call of Duty is just a teensy bit ironic, given that not long before he wrote his post, a contributor to Roosh’s terrible gaming site Reaxxion had declared Call of Duty “the best shooter series ever,” in part because it has flamethrowers. (No, really.)

Doubly ironic because most of the people I know in the SJW-gamer-o-sphere consider Call of Duty and its cousins to be examplary of the problems with modern gaming.

Does “Redpiller1985” think “girl gamers and their beta male hangers-on” are the ones driving the sales of yet another samey, everything-is-brown military shooter about Hard Men Making Hard Choices, without a single significant female character? Because whenever the semi-indie wing of gaming journalism gives the latest installment of Call of Modern Medal of Warfare n+1: Let’s Kill More Brown People anything less than a glowing review, they’re accused of “social justice warrioring” and trying to “feminize gaming.”

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

People who went to school to learn how to write are writing for a living? Oh the humanities!

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Dan,
These dudes are so solipsistic that they cannot comprehend a woman doing anything that isn’t about them and their boners. They see us as partially sentient blow up dolls. Not people with interests. Not a surprise that didn’t occur to him!

Twisted Inspiration
6 years ago

Girls of course only play games to be attractive to these super manly gamers. Yep, that makes total sense. Suuure.

ryohji
ryohji
6 years ago

When people call me a “mangina” or beta, because I am a male support feminism, has always madke me chuckle: I’ve done all sort of jobs and activities that would be labelled as “manly” (a cretinous adjective), when they were just sitting on their asses, yelling at a 12 years old who fragged them for the 15th time in CoD: MW.

ryohji
ryohji
6 years ago

I wish I could edit my previous message and its awkward semantic.

seraph4377
6 years ago

@ ryohji – We’ve all wished that from time to time, but Dave long ago decided – and wisely, I think – that we were better off if it was impossible for trolls to gaslight us by changing what they wrote.

sunnysombrera
6 years ago

POM: I can think of a YouTuber like that, and I’m otherwise a fan but I get annoyed at his (occasional) videos where he bumbles through a game as fast as possible and then when things go wrong he blames the games controls or the storyline for not telling him what to do next when all he needed was to stop for two minutes and think.

*facepalm* He doesn’t do it often, fortunately, but when he does I just want to reach through the screen (and through the space time continuum as it stands) and give him a good shake.

Newt
Newt
6 years ago

But wait, the great success of games between the time they first started appearing in the 70s up to the aughts? Pretty sure there was an extremely famous crash in the mid-eighties […]

The username “Redpiller1985” most likely refers to the year he was born. Knowing about things that happened before he was old enough to notice them would be history, which isn’t a manly sciencey interest.

sunnysombrera
6 years ago

Newt: but since these guys get so hung up on the “good old days”, when men were men and women were house elves (as they see it anyway) shouldn’t someone tell them that back then the study of history was a manly man’s topic, considered too complex for the female mind?

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

@sunnysombrera:

Ah, I see your problem. Referencing history, pining for the good old days that you never experienced and most likely didn’t even exist is manly. Researching said history to check your facts and make sure you aren’t making a fool of yourself is totes Beta.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

when men were men and women were house elves

Great line, by the way.

sunnysombrera
6 years ago

Kirby: Learning is for losers. Got it.

sunnysombrera
6 years ago

Kirby: Thanks! 🙂

Vorjack
Vorjack
6 years ago

“These semi-attractive chicks have learned that they can get the princess treatment by pretending to be a video game enthusiast.”

So we’re back to the whole “fake geek girl” nonsense from a couple of years ago. Sometimes it feels like we never progress, we just re-brand our grievances.

pollydactyl
6 years ago

@cupisnique
That’s true for me too, the only time I’ve seen anyone try to get special treatment for their gender it’s a guy playing as a girl. I don’t get it, do they think that’s what girls do? It makes me really uncomfortable and gives me the feeling of “oh, so that’s what you think of my gender. Thanks”

I also don’t understand why these guys think they’re such a catch that girls would pretend to be into such an expensive and time-consuming hobby.

taitaisanchez
6 years ago

Wow. This was written on December 9… Of last year. Reads like it could’ve been written in the 4 months we’ve had goober gate.

Pocket Nerd
6 years ago
Reply to  pollydactyl

Thus Spake Zarapollydactyl:

That’s true for me too, the only time I’ve seen anyone try to get special treatment for their gender it’s a guy playing as a girl. I don’t get it, do they think that’s what girls do?

Given the enormous amounts of whining I’ve seen from dudebros about “It’s not fair, I have to GRIND for my epic l00tz, but if you’re a girl gamer other guys just GIVE YOU STUFF FOR FREE!!”, yes, apparently a lot of male gamers do think that’s what girls do. But yeah, the only people I’ve ever known to say “Hee hee, I’m a cute girl, give me free stuffs!” were guys.

pollydactyl
6 years ago
Reply to  Pocket Nerd

To be fair, i did once have someone just give me stuff in an mmorpg. But i think it had more to do with the fact that i was a new player and while my character was female, i was definitely not flirting with anybody or advertising the fact that i’m a girl.

Ira Shantz-Kreutzkamp
Ira Shantz-Kreutzkamp
6 years ago

*busts in through a candy glass window*

Who’s been talking bad ’bout my Viva Piña-?! Oh. A Red Pill Eater.

Also Mr. Futrelle, near the bottom of the article “But it is a little ironic to see >complain< about someone else's journalistic ability…"

Yeah I increasingly don't get why so many of my male comrades think there's some Sinister Agenda behind women getting more visible in gaming circles. Sure, a lot of us trend into the You Stupid Kid! demographic, but I see this with the (okay, relatively) older ones too, like Mr. 1985 here. Surely he's old enough to recall how the gaming scene used to be in the 90's and 00's, back before the Indiesplosion. Some titles were good, some titles were crap, but the field was so much smaller than it is now. There was experimentation, but mostly that translated into "what if we did THIS variation on THESE mechankcs? Eh? Eh, comrades, eh?"

The rise of new artists, methodologies and demographics has been to nothing BUT gaming's benefit. This is a world where Demon Souls(a punishing, solemnly atmospheric, skill-based game of trial and error and meticulous preperation) coexists with something like Thirty Flights of Loving(I am still unsure what it's about, but be damned it if isn't pretty), and that's great! There's real experimentation, real shakeups, real desire for art now that just didn't exist twenty years ago. There's finally space for games to be more than recycled corporate product, and yet people want to go back to before that so The Woms will stop Ruining Video Games?

Also boo on "They're just doing it for attention", for both the reasons given above this comment and how many male Youtubers and streamers also just do it for the e-fame. It's easily one of the more pernicious and damaging stereotypes I've ever seen.

Ira Shantz-Kreutzkamp
Ira Shantz-Kreutzkamp
6 years ago

There was not supposed to be an ‘also’ in that last paragraph, apologies for the slip-up.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

@sunnysombrera

There are more than one, although the one I had in mind today actually has other people editing together his gaming vids to highlight how much his I-am-awesome rhetoric doesn’t match his skills. He’s just constantly blaming the game for his failure to read screen text or, I dunno, examine the bright shiny thing that the game is conspicuously pointing out. I’m hardly an expert gamer, but at least I recognize that it’s not the game’s fault when I lose my coordination and start button-mashing. LOL

Tracy
Tracy
6 years ago

But yeah, the only people I’ve ever known to say “Hee hee, I’m a cute girl, give me free stuffs!” were guys.

Busband is heavily into a MMORPG and he’s said the same to me numerous times – he even knew a guy who did just that. His main toon is on a predominantly female squad* (one of the largest squads in the game) and they certainly don’t tee-hee their way through it.

@pollydactyl Busband will now and then give other players stuff for the reason you stated, because they’re newer, and he’s maxed out and has a ton of cool stuff he doesn’t need but that other people do need. He just likes helping out other players and feeling kinda
mentor-y.

* ‘squad’ is not the word I’m looking for but I do not mmorpg with him and forget what his teamwhatsitthingy is called. I am a mere, lowly fee-male console player and am therefore destroying gaming, and have been since about 1983 🙂

GOBACK (@JoeKlemmer)
6 years ago

1) I’m a 52yo guy who’s been playing video games since the 70’s and I always pay on the easiest setting possible because I suck at playing video games. That hasn’t stopped me from having fun playing for the last 40+ years.

2) I forgot what I was going to say.

3) These idiots are complete fools and because of that.

[See what I did there? Huh? I made a funny]

GOBACK (@JoeKlemmer)
6 years ago

I should not post comments while on painkillers.

Tracy
Tracy
6 years ago

@Ira Shantz-Kreutzkamp exactly! The idea of what a game can be has exploded, and that’s a good thing as far as I’m concerned. It’s become a storytelling medium now, with unlimited potential. That said, it can also just be a button-mashing killfest, or just silly fun too. Something for everyone, and I can’t fathom why that’s a bad thing to or for anyone.

I tend to prefer games that are heavy on storyline and character development, or involve lots of tactical planning and/or stealth when I’m on my own playing; but there’s nothing quite like drunken Dance Dance Revolution out in the sticks with the fam.

sparky
sparky
6 years ago

The betas fight over these chicks and since they’re all manginas of the highest degree.

“The betas fight over these chicks and…” And what, Mr. redpiller1985? Chicks and what? Because in order to make that sentence make sense, you have to add another noun after the and. And since your talking about “chicks,” I can only assume it’s another kind of baby farm animal. So, “chicks and calves?” “Chicks and lambs?” “Chicks and ducklings?” What other kind of baby farm animal are “betas” fighting over? And why is that a bad thing? Baby animals are adorable.

Tracy
Tracy
6 years ago

I should not post comments while on painkillers.

Um yes, yes you should 🙂

paradoxicalintent
paradoxicalintent
6 years ago

Pocket Nerd

Does “Redpiller1985″ think “girl gamers and their beta male hangers-on” are the ones driving the sales of yet another samey, everything-is-brown military shooter about Hard Men Making Hard Choices, without a single significant female character? Because whenever the semi-indie wing of gaming journalism gives the latest installment of Call of Modern Medal of Warfare n+1: Let’s Kill More Brown People anything less than a glowing review, they’re accused of “social justice warrioring” and trying to “feminize gaming.”

Of course women are buying games that are male power fantasies! Everything we wimmens do is for the menz or the attention thereof! Wimmens don’t have games! They only do it for ME AND MY BONER.

(And mostly because there’s not really much else when it comes to AAA gaming. Because AAA companies have convinced themselves for the most part that games with female leads “don’t sell well”, and thus don’t give them the proper attention that Call of Battlefield: Modern Brown would get because they’d rather pour all that extra advertising moolah they saved from ignoring the female lead game into that, and then the game with female lead doesn’t do well, and they point and say “Female leads don’t sell”, yadda, yadda, the cycle repeats, same as Hollywood.)

If we buy an indie game and/or a game that has a female protagonist, then we’re Es-Jay-Dubbyas who are out to “chickify” manly gaming (and everything else)![/sarcasm]

It’s almost like these people have forgotten what “fun” is. Video games are supposed to be “fun”, remember guys? We play these for fun. We play these for escapism. However, that doesn’t mean that we can’t have a serious discussion on it with a critical point of view. Hell, sometimes, that’s half the fun!

Either you stop taking gaming seriously and just have fun with it so you don’t hear the critiques, or you call it “art”, and accept that means it gets to be critiqued like an adult art form and still have fun with it, because critiques aren’t personal attacks, just issues that one person with one opinion might have on your precious game or sub-culture that others may or may not agree with in a calm, dignified, and POLITE manner.

Either way, people are going to critique it, because some gamers (myself included) want games to be taken seriously, and are willing to listen to critique, because we want gaming to move forwards, not backwards.

[And they say *women* are the ones who over-react. Lawl.]
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On the topic of YouTubers: There’s a few I watch regularly, and a few I switch back and forth between when the mood hits. (I like to binge watch episodes, because many of the YouTubers I like only do fifteen minute episodes.)

There are times when I’m yelling at the screen, but I find there’s not many. Mostly because I watch Let’s Players because I can’t afford the game, or I can, and I’m wanting to see how good it is, and partially because even though they might not be good at the game, they still make that entertaining somehow, or can laugh at their mistakes.

Though, recently, there have been murmurs about the more well-known Let’s Players being given early access copies of games and being put under contract that they only have to show the good bits, and they have to talk about the game and hype it up as much as they can, and that’s not good at all. (THIS is something that #Goobers would be interested in if they weren’t so busy harassing female indie developers.)

It happened most recently I think with Shadows of Mordor. I haven’t heard any bad things about the game, but the marketing company pulling something like this shows they had no faith in their product, and that’s really just sad especially since most of the talk I’ve heard from non-YT players and Let’s Players alike really seemed to be genuinely positive.

However, since that thing happened, many Let’s Players have really cracked down to ensure they still have the trust of their fanbases. TheRPGMinx (Or MangaMinx) has made it a point to announce when she’s doing a sponsored video (as she does make extra money from this, and that’s great, and she’s being honest about it, which is even better).
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Also, David, that image from the Salon article you linked up near the top will haunt my nightmares. *shudder*

Apologies for the long post everyone! (ノ◕ヮ◕)ノ✧・゚: *✧・゚:*

Emmy Rae
Emmy Rae
6 years ago

when men were men and women were house elves

*giggle*

This reminded me of a tweet I saw probably two years ago: “Housewives are unnatural. God never intended that woman should marry house.”

lkeke35
6 years ago

Everytime I see this kind of crap. I look to one woman to sum it all up for me:http://kotaku.com/5918084/aisha-tyler-rants-ive-been-a-gamer-since-before-you-could-read

lkeke35
6 years ago

Sorry! this is a better link for those of you unwilling to even consider the existence of Kotaku.https://www.facebook.com/notes/aisha-tyler/dear-gamers/10151040991508993

mirobaka
mirobaka
6 years ago

Well, actually, most people can’t name a video game journalist because they don’t actually give a shit about video game journalism, which is barely journalism at all.

Hey now, no need for that. Just because you’re not personally into video games, doesn’t mean video game journalism isn’t real journalism.

There is plenty of quality video game journalism, which is easy to find (all you need to do is look at the GamerGate “hit list”). You don’t need to find it interesting, but they are still reporting on news in a multi billion dollar industry, and are just as valid as tech, music, and any other form of industry journalism.

Cyberwulf
Cyberwulf
6 years ago

BUT WAIT I THOUGHT ONLY FPSes COUNTED AS REARL GARMS

AND WIMMENZ WUR FAKE GAMERS B/C ONLY PLAY CANDY CRUSH AND NOT REARL GARMS LIKE COD

WHAT IS HAPPENING EXPLAIN IT TO ME BIG STRONG MARN

pollydactyl
6 years ago

@Tracy
That’s so kind of your busband! I would love to do that too, but I never got far enough in the game and I don’t play it much anymore. I do know my account is still around and I have a lot more free time now than I used to, so I might take it back up again.

@Cyberwulf
That comment made me laugh so hard

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