Pickup guru Roosh Valizadeh is not only a terrible, terrible person. He is also an abuser of language.
In a post entitled Culture War Predictions For 2015, Roosh forecasts great things for the “manosphere” in the coming year. Or perhaps the coming 9 months?
Prepare yourself for the most belabored (heh heh) pregnancy metaphor the world has ever seen:
In 2013, we saw a large increase in manosphere readership that began to ejaculate our ideas onto the mainstream. In 2014, these ideas became the morning sickness that left the enemy unprepared and unwilling to respond with logic, reason, and facts. In 2015, you will see the birthing on our side of semi-formalized alliances between various groups that use more organized action to deal crushing blows upon panicked feminists and SJW’s. Media owners will reconsider their usefulness. At the same time, our mob will grow to a frightening size after growing big and strong on breast milk, and they will be lustful for blood.
Obviously, there is nothing in that paragraph that isn’t awful. But I’m a little hung up on that first sentence. Roosh: I know you probably watch a lot of porn, dude, but you are aware that in order to make a baby, you need to deposit your sperm into a woman, not onto her, like certain kinds of squid.
Actually, I’m a little confused about exactly what happens, with the squid in any case; their sex parties get pretty freaky. But I am pretty sure that to make human babies the sperm needs to get inside the woman somewhere in that whole region down there.
Could it be that Roosh learned everything he knows about reproduction from Men in Black?
I am not going to admit how many times I listened to that, or whether or not I may have picked up one of my cats and danced with her.
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Okay, it was only twice. And there wasn’t MUCH dancing, really.
I asked Kitteh to use her super-mod powers to just delete all my posts from this thread, and she said “No,” which decision I respect. We did discuss it, and I have come to the conclusion that after that beginning, no matter what I said, it would have gone badly.
Therefore, I will not try to defend myself, or say, “But, you didn’t understand me,” or any of that. I simply apologize for all the pain and upset that I caused, and ask you to please not hold it against me in future.
For the time being, I will lurk, only.
Thank you to those of you who expressed wishes of healing toward me and mine. I really do appreciate all of you. I LIKE you, and never wanted to cause any of you pain. It just came out all wrong, and I made it worse, by trying to fix it, and poured gasoline on an unintentional fire.
I’m sorry.
I’d forgotten how much of an earworm that song is.
Michelle, I think you’re a good egg. 🙂 I think there are good times to brainstorm “structural” kinds of explanations for why bad things happen and sometimes there are… not good times to do so. I’ve stepped into that myself.
Mostly I think it’s that practically EVERYONE looks for ANY possible “structural” reason to explain away destructive behavior when the evildoers are people who already have power.
Whereas typically we bang on about individual responsibility not to do crappy things when the evildoers are not the ones in power. I mean, look at how we talk about looters in Ferguson or the longterm unemployed, etc. THOSE people all just need to buck up and Take Individual Responsibility. No Excuses, or Drop Dead– thankyouverymuch.
But basically there’s always some nonsensical structural thing to blame when men rape women– drugs, alcohol, unemployment, job stress, sexually repressive culture, sexually licentious culture, short skirts, long pants, urban overcrowding, rural isolation, mental illness… Whatever.
Anything is to blame… except the actual rapist. Maddening.
Or ear squid, as the case may be.
Michelle, thanks for that.
PoM – when I thought of “squids in nightclubs” I meant squids having their very own ocean nightclubs, not being captured and put in human ones. No way would I want any animal in such an environment!
I haven’t found any strictly relevant pics but this will do, because kitty.
http://bitsandpieces.us/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/imagespuss-vs-octopus_small.jpg
For some reason, squids in a nightclub reminds me of this meme (not sure if it will embed):
http://cheezburger.com/5812988928
Request denied. Not because I’m a mean meanie who just wants to persecute you to be mean, but because I can’t just forget things that someone has said when they were as horrifying and deeply harmful to other people as the things you said here. It’s not fair of you to ask that of people – some may be willing and/or able to do that, but nobody is required to.
@cassandrakitty
“some may be willing and/or able to do that, but nobody is required to.”
True. Nobody is required to. I asked, and anyone and everyone is free to say, “No.”
Thanks for letting me know where I stand with you.
If that’s an attempt to make me feel guilty it’s not going to work.
I don’t think it was, for what that’s worth.
Nope, not at all. That’s an attempt to accept your response and respect your right to your feelings.
Anyway, signing off now.
Yes, my silly little feelings are definitely the problem here.
Can this stop now, please?
Holy christ. Kay, if there’s only one person in an isolated place, it doesn’t matter if that person’s a rapist or not because there’s no one to rape. Fine. But if there are two people in an isolated place and one of them is a rapist, the rapist will find a way to rape the other person, multiple times. Overcrowding doesn’t make more rape; it just allows any given rapist in the crowded area to target more than one person if they so wish. Even in crowded areas, most rapists are known to their victims and can assault them more than once. I mean, but like others have said, isn’t this rape culture 101?
(Blinks)
Really? OK, fine, I’m out for now.
I have so much mental dissonance going on after reading this whole exchange. I relate with cassandrakitty’s anger because I just don’t have any patience for people who make excuses for shitty gender dynamics. (in this case it’s rape culture, but you wouldn’t believe the flame wars I get into over gender role conditioning and policing. It’s not fun, but I’m compelled to put up a resistance.)
But I understand Michelle’s curiosity as well. People are animals, and I have made comparisons between human behavior and animal behavior many times. There are some discussions that I won’t even have around most people (and never online) because I know it sounds terrible and I don’t want anyone repeating the things I’m saying back to people who are impressionable like it’s some sort of truth when it’s not. Of course, in those cases, I’m leaning toward the opinion that those discussions aren’t even worth having because there is no good that will come of them and too much potential for harm. If humoring my curiosity in a certain instance has a price that adds to the evil in the world, I’d rather not.
Anyway, I totally got my cat this cute collar and I want to share the picture. Next comment will have brain bleach, I promise!
The thing is that these are not actually useful questions to be asking, because the answers are already out there, it’s just that apparently some people are either unwilling to go look for them or unwilling to accept those answers. The ideas that were being suggested here fly in the face of everything we know about how rape typically happens, and that helps nobody except the people who’d very much like to continue getting away with rape.
OK, now I really am out, because I am not willing to play nice when it comes to this issue.
Um…
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8393197312/h6F47E61F/
I’m just going to second everything cassandrakitty just said, because it’s basically what I was trying to get to somewhere within my meandering.
That kitten gif, though! Look how bright eyed and precious zie is! And how patient the bunny is! It soothes my bitter soul. :3
FYI, I swear I commented with a link to my cat’s picture, but that comment hasn’t shown up yet. I am a person of my word, though. Really, I am. Please believe me. D:
This thread really, really needs some brain bleach.
http://indulgy.ccio.co/Av/mC/5E/579135451777175485YHN7aybc.jpg
http://mainetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/cute_raccoon.jpg
I love many things about my state, but this mess isn’t one of them. And, it’s a really, really freaking complex problem… a density dependent model would only work if every single person was equally likely to be a rapist, in which case encountering more people would be upping your risk of encountering a rapist, but rapist densities don’t work that way and really don’t seem to have anything to do with population densities, and it’s complicated, and I remember that 4-H presentation, dammit. Those kids were hella brave, and not enough has changed, and it beats me how the heck we (as in humanity) can fix it all.
Sorry.
More brain bleach, because there’s way to much pain here already and I’m not being productive to fix it right now because…
Have some kitties.
http://mousebreath.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Sleepy-Kitty-tabby-cute-cat.jpg
http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/9800000/sleepy-kittens-cute-kittens-9834775-400-276.jpg
lordpabu, that’s pretty much how I feel about it. Also, kitty collar, yay!
wordsp1nner, thank you. Bunny ears nom FTW.
I’m offline for the evening; this has been wearing, to say the least.
Emilygoddess: What state do you live in? Or maybe I shouldn’t ask. There are a lot of terrible shenanigans going on in state politics. I know, the state I live in is one of the worst. I recommend John Oliver’s video on the general topic of state senates if laughing along with good comedy about terrible things is something you enjoy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIMgfBZrrZ8
Thanks for the brain bleach, too. I especially like that raccoon.
Have a good night kittehserf, and all the good feels to combat the bad ones.
There was a 4-H presentation about rape? O.O
I was confused about that too. And now I’m just morbidly curious.