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It’s not exactly news that the slimeball pickup artists I write about on this blog have a bit of a double standard when it comes to sexuality. What is still surprising to me, even after years of reading these guys, is just how much they hate women for sleeping with guys like them.
For proof, look no further than the latest blog post by Roosh Valizadeh, an utterly appalling slice of misogyny that’s terrible even by Roosh’s low standards.
After a weirdly obtuse “critique” of a video by Swedish pop star Tove Lo – Roosh has a little trouble telling the difference between the singer and the depressed, self-destructive hedonist she portrays in her video – he launches into a vicious tirade against “the current generation of women” that seems driven as much by his own sexual insecurities and self-hatred as it is by hatred of women.
Roosh – a man who moved to Eastern Europe in pursuit of casual sex, a man who makes his living teaching men his dubious pickup techniques – starts off by denouncing women for indulging their own sexual desires with multiple men.
This sluttification of women, which Tove Lo’s catchy song conveys as normal and even fun, is part of a culture where every man who seeks serious relationships with women is a soft cuckold, because he’s the last man in a 30-man gangbang trying to give tender kisses on the lips and labia of a woman who has been rode hard and defiled for years.
That’s right: Roosh evidently thinks every woman who has sex with a man other than him is thereby “cuckolding” him.
How can any man who approaches a girl today see her as more than a cum bucket? Because let’s be real: she has been serving as a cum bucket thanks to a perverse culture that methodically trains and encourages her to take buckets of cum from men who make her vagina tingle, all as a way to help her “grow” as a person, find herself, and become strong and independent, which means not sobbing for more than a day when the latest bad boy she fell for turned out to be a selfish person who didn’t value her beyond the sexual.
What makes this especially creepy isn’t just the double standard; it’s that this is Roosh’s opinion of the women he spends his entire life trying to get into bed.
This is the girl who’s going to be your lifelong faithful partner? The girl who’s going to be the mother of your children?
Wait. So Roosh is telling us that after a few years of riding the vagina carousel, as it were, Roosh wants to settle down and get married? The irony, it burns.
I cringe at that notion, as should all men. I rather be an evolutionary dead-end that let a whore be the mother of my child, but men today are being trained to accept the whore mother and to be the soft cuckold, the sucker that gets to buy the goods at full price even though it has declined 80% of value from its peak.
Seriously, Roosh, please be an evolutionary dead-end.
Not that he’s likely to be able find a willing bride, unless he somehow prevents the woman in question from Googling his name and finding out what he actually believes.
It’s amazing that in just three generations, women have gone from being potential wives and mothers to nothing more than fuck toys. Men used to meet traditionally minded virgins, but are now stuck with a seemingly unlimited pool of mediocre sluts who have been fucked in the ass by multiple men.
So Roosh is shocked that the women he has casual sex with are women who … have casual sex?
Why would he think that his brilliant pickup strategy of pursuing drunk women in bars would result in him meeting a lot of “traditionally minded virgins?”
This is complete and utter decimation of the female human.
Apparently penises are so destructive to women that any woman who encounters more than one in her lifetime is “utterly decimated” by contact with them.
Men can no longer gain any meaning or value from a woman beyond sex, even if he is truly capable of being the world’s number one dad, and rest assured that the degeneracy that has so swallowed America whole will spread throughout the world from the trojan horse technology out of Silicon Valley.
Yep. He’s angry and jealous that iPhones give women more options in dating than just him.
And he also somehow seems to think he’s capable of being “the world’s number one dad.”
How did this happen? How did we get to this point? A book can be written on the answer, but understand that trillions of dollars are to be made by destroying the feminine mother and putting a mindless and shallow consumer fuck robot in her stead.
Oh dear. Here come the conspiracy theories.
The finger can be pointed at the elite and their useful idiots for creating this environment, but the fact still remains that this is not a good time to be a normal man with the normal need to reproduce with a good woman who will stay loyal to him, raise his kids right, retain a thin figure, and take care of his home.
Wow. What a great deal for a woman! I can’t understand why women aren’t lining up in droves for the chance to marry this prize of a man.
A man who puts in triple overtime and travels abroad can find the exceptions, but for the lot of men in the Western world, there is no longer any meaning beyond casual sex that can be gained from women. These are end times for traditional pair bonding.
And yet somehow most people end up in relationships, and the world isn’t exactly running out of babies.
So on that note, I urge you to learn game, seduce these inadequate women, and try out those moves you’ve seen in porn, because that sex drive of yours is not going anywhere and must be sated for your own mental health.
I’ve rarely seen a man so eager to announce to the world that he has absolutely no idea how to satisfy a woman in bed. Or even an understanding as to why satisfying a woman might be a good thing not only for her but for him as well.
Beyond that, however, don’t expect much more, because women can no longer provide you with what women of the past so easily could.
Roosh Valizadeh, everyone – a man who thinks he could be the greatest dad ever.
So how does a man end up loathing the women who sleep with him … because they sleep with him?
I’m not sure that’s the right question. I think Roosh’s real anger is directed at the women who won’t sleep with him – but will sleep with other men.
After all, as Roosh has often acknowledged, the life of a would-be “pickup artist” isn’t one of endless triumphs. In fact, it’s one of constant rejection, as the overwhelming majority of the women that these guys approach have no interest in them.
Instead of being able to roll with this – rejection is an inevitable part of romantic life for everyone – Roosh sees this rejection as a personal affront. In his mind, these women are denying him something that he is entitled to, something that he has worked hard for – hell, he even moved to Eastern Europe in an attempt to find more pliable women to pursue.
That’s why he feels he’s been “cuckolded” by any woman who sleeps with men other than him.
This isn’t just fucked up. Roosh’s philosophy is dangerous to women, as is he.
Lux: that little outburst was unnecessary. Respect the beliefs of others please.
From what I remember of Jewish theology, Lilith was the one who wanted to try the porn moves, but Adam always insisted on man-on-top missionary.
Seriously, if I’m remembering this correctly that’s actually what the Midrash says.
@sunnysombrera
I have a deep respect for people’s spirituality, but I believe it doesn’t mean religious stories, as cultural occurrences, are free from criticism.
I believe it is not disrespectful to point out when traditional stories (whether religious or not) include misogynist content.
I believe it is not disrespectful to point out when traditional stories follow the same lines of reasoning as nowadays misogynists and/or rape culture.
Also, Adam&Lilith story is not in the Bible and it’s hardly more than a distant memory in Judaism as far as I know. Its link to religion is feeble at best.
Sounds like what I’ve read on the topic, Binjabreel.
@Binjabreel
You’re right, I meant the porn phrase in a very loose way 🙂
But I do remember the “whether she liked it or not” very distinctly, which is the part that actually pisses me off.
Just swinging in with the most amazing holiday lights ever!
@brooked
Yeah, I don’t believe a word of his story either. I’m assuming it’s someone trying to troll them, but you can never tell in the manosphere.
(That, or he left his girlfriend because she was doing charity work in Africa and he assumed the worst without any proof whatsoever. Racism, misogyny and insecurity do not mix very well.)
Plus, plenty of people there will take his story as 100% true because it reinforces their own bigoted views. So it doesn’t matter whether it’s true or not, they’re going to assume it is.
Luz: duly noted. Thanks. I was probably responding in a knee jerk move to that, I thought for a moment you were referring to God as a misogynist. And many times when I’ve seen that claim made online it’s based on fast and loose scriptural analysis (not by you, by others).
There’s nothing wrong with critically examining stories though, like you said.
@sunnysombrera
I just read my comment again and I think it does sound like I was calling God a misogynist, although it was not my intention. I do apologize for that.
@marci
Yep.
Back to the car metaphor – you don’t buy a car because you have anything to offer the CAR. It’s all about what the car can do for you.
And while I certainly don’t think women are comparable to cars, too many of these twits DO. I have actually heard some of these guys say that women are NOT human beings, and do not have feelings. The same guys wonder why they can’t get women to sleep with them.
An example of this was in a video linked to here, once upon a time. It was a documentary about “incels.” A guy said he couldn’t get laid because he was just too ugly. He said how he even scraped the bottom of the barrel to hit on fatties and ugly women. But for some reason, those women weren’t grateful for the attention, and wouldn’t sleep with him, either. Then, when another man (who was successful in romance) said that women were human beings with feelings, he yelled about how that was “Bullshit!” and that they were NOT human beings, and had no feelings.
He *was* an incel because he was “too ugly,” but not physically. It was all in the soul, I’m afraid.
Luz: no worries. 🙂
@cassandrakitty
I LOVE that tweet! Thanks for sharing it.
@oraclenine – Roosh’s followers are not exactly the brightest bulbs on the Christmas tree, are they?
BTW, I started listening to Christmas carols today. I love them, but I don’t like to start too soon, or I’m burned out before the day.
@proxieme – your husband ROCKS!
“The finger can be pointed at the elite and their useful idiots for creating this environment”
I’d almost agree with Roosh on this point but it’s odd that he doesn’t seem to know that he’s one of the useful idiots (a strange oversight for a man who prides himself on his acuity to make).
Tinyorc – Yay! 😀
maistrechat – Tina has answers for everything.
Ellesar – I think you’re right.
For Roosh, Cognitive dissonance —> Melancholy —-> More hatred and self-destructive behavior —> Repeat
Re: the “really truly troo story about the awful, awful wimminz”: I’ve seen what I’m willing to bet happened more than once.
Person A laments that no one’s ever stayed troo to them ever (or that Experience has Shown that Gender X just isn’t trustworthy) and – while know that of course Person B is different than alllll the rest (because why else would they be with them?) – of course they might be a little jealous/insecure.
Then drama-drama-drama, jealousy and accusations, more drama, Gould treatment, annnnnd then Person B leaves Person A because s/he’s insufferable. Person B moves on with life and then Person A declares in pyrrhic triumph, “SEE? NONE OF X GENDER CAN BE TRUSTED! THEY’RE ALL AWFUL AND WILL LIE AND CHEAT AND LEAVE!”
[Author’s Note: “Cheat” being a correct accusation in Person A’s mind because obviously any time Person B talked with someone with whom they might possibly have sex they were, in fact, planning their next secret rendezvous and/or joshing in elaborate code about their last dalliance. This is true even if said communication is necessary to function professionally or if it is with your 20(plus)-years-senior neighbor.]
So, obviously the (probably imaginary) girlfriend was a slutty-slut-slut because she…talked with those with whom she was working.
Maybe she even smiled and laughed.
Suh-lut.
@tinyorc – congrats on your new relationship! It sounds like a good one, because you both know yourselves, what you want, what you have to offer, and how to go about doing it.
As for that jerk with the “feminine silence” woman who turned out to be a slut – I’m glad he dumped her. Now she’s free to find a better match.
However, I’m curious. Was she having these sexual adventures while they were together, or was this another case of “soft cuckolding” him, by having these adventures before they were a couple? It certainly reads as the latter. After being in a relationship for a year, she felt comfortable enough with him to tell him about her past, secure in the knowledge that she had proved her fidelity over the past year, and that they could trust each other, based on a whole year’s experience.
Oops.
Unless she claimed to be a virgin and lied about it, I see no reason for him to fly off like that.
“Soft cuckolding” is NOT a real thing! These guys! YECH!
@Lea
Yeah, it’s almost as if people are taking the time to get to know themselves and their lovers before tying the knot!
Back in the day, when men owned women, and sex outside of marriage was unheard of (not that it didn’t happen, but people didn’t admit to it), people married as soon as they could, so that they could indulge in sexy-times in an approved manner. Then they realized that whoopsie! We don’t have as much in common as we thought!
The quiet desperation of someone who married too soon or to the wrong person is a sad sight to behold.
Self discovery is a GOOD thing. These guys should try it.
@Mezza,
Or, just because she was on another continent and he didn’t want to date someone on another continent. I think that once people get into TERP culture, they actually work hard to cover up anything vaguely reasonable that they think.
Shaun, that house is awesome. And amazing, and wow. I loved the french horn solo the bit, but the singing faces on the Duel of the Fates!
ALL THE HAPPY
@Shaun – Wow! I have to go watch Star Wars now.
*bit = best. Me can type, maybe?
Michelle – 😀
Purely objectively, he’s seriously one of the most impressive people that I’ve ever known.
Wall of grammatically incorrect tl;dr following…sorry, I get worked up whenever I think about it.
Horrible physical abuse as a child (like, “and now you’ve been knocked out” abuse); mental abuse; periods of homelessness and vagrancy with his addict parents; neglect; beaten horribly both for being a white kid in subsided housing (in fairness, the worst time was by some older, out-of-town teens who were visiting and they were quickly turned in by neighbors because my husband was just a nice kid) and for for being a n*****-lover (a phrase amazingly still used in parts of the south in the 1990s); hunger (after his parents’ divorce/after his dad fled the state to dodge child support, his best/only meals were often free breakfast and lunch at school until he turned 15 and got a job); annnd a dollap or two more of just plain shadiness (ex: when he was 12/13, his Mom would have him drive her to the bar, wait outside, and then drive her back because she already had two DUIs and didn’t want a third…really), mental abuse (generalized awfulness and regularly derided as a “faggot” by his mother for reading and playing D&D rather than bringing girlfriends back to his happy home), and dealing with severe mental illness (his mom was involuntarily committed three times during his childhood – the last time for attempting to burn down their house).
Oh, and as a little cherry on top (a mild afterthought, really, when you consider everything else) in TWO different states, public school officials attempted to pull him out of the general curriculum – once for advanced, individualized study and once to attend the NC School of Math and Science – and both times his parents didn’t give consent.
Free supplemetation for a kid that apparently tested off the charts even with approximately zero stimulation at home and his parents just couldn’t be sussed.
So, in middle school he was placed in special ed because his IQ and aptitude tests didn’t match up with his in-class performance (because he was bored to tears and had a tumultuous home life and so skated with Bs and Cs).
-_-
*deep breath*
I get considerably more upset about it than he does (or, at least, does now). Part of me wishes that I could travel back in time and be an avenging angel (because, hey, if I can time travel why not go whole hog and have magical justice powers? Maybe throw in a burning sword of light) – or, hell, make sure one of the apparently multiple child services investigations that had been initiated didn’t peter out.
*shrugs*
But his past is also what shaped him into the awesomely empathetic and thoughtful person that he is today and I can’t imagine that foster care would’ve been a bed of roses, so it is what it is I suppose.
Wow, I just burned through half of our toddler’s nap time. I’m going to go chop some more wood while she’s *crossing fingers* still asleep.
End of gratuitous tl;dr
On a personal level, his life is why I have very little patience for the whining of MRA/PUA man-children* about how the world hasn’t been everything they could’ve asked for or wanted.
* By that I don’t mean that the effects of abuse and neglect don’t exist or that complaints about / observances regarding economic, ethnic, racial, etc injustice are by any means invalid or frivolous; but, rather, that the vast majority of the tirades by MRAs are the tantrums of spoiled children in comparison to the actual issues that many people face – and sometimes through tireless effort – work through and overcome every day.
Testing to see if all of my comments are now moderated or if it’s only my ridiculously long one.
*realizes what it probably was*
Edited post to follow.
If this one goes through, please feel free to delete the first (or the next, too, if I’m exhibiting too flagrantly off-topic a real deer).