You know how, in The Poseidon Adventure, the giant cruise ship gets flipped over by a huge wave and the passengers have to make their way through the upside-down ship to the bottom of the hull, which is now the top, in order to survive?
Well, the Men’s Rights subreddit is kind of like that. The only way to get upvotes is to look at everything upside-down.
See, e.g., this comment addressing the issue of rape, and why feminists allegedly lie about it:
![5HourEnergyExtra 8 points 1 day ago what motivates women and feminists to lie about rape These are really very two different questions. Women can have any number of motivations. My own speculations are that they're peer pressured into calling it rape, ashamed something happened, want attention, want revenge, or something else. But the variance is enormous. Feminists lie about rape because it's a badge of honor. Other feminists will come to them with open arms and love them forever. They also do it because it furthers he legitimacy of their movement. If any random room contains a woman who was raped then it helps the cause, even if they have to be that woman, and even if the woman in the next room is doing exactly the same thing. lie about rape statistics on all fronts to set the bar for consensual sex so high no couple in a committed relationship meets it? It validates their cause. Women have it pretty good nowadays. No violence, no discrimination in hiring, no discrimination in education, nothing bad really. They've got cat calling going against them but that seems less than spectacular. Whistle's don't hurt anyone; they're just annoying. But, sexual violence (if and only if we pretend prisoners don't exist) is at least a little bit lopsided such that women have it worse. Moreover, it's actually very bad. So, they milk it for all its worth. To do this, you need to lie about statistics, stretch the definition as far as it goes, ignore prisoners (including the 63% who are there purely on time a woman wouldn't have gotten), and say it's the dominant force in our culture and proves patriarchy. What is their agenda? If they're not oppressed than feminism is gonners. Sexual violence is still such that if they bend the statistics, it sounds like they have it worse than men with respect to sexual violence. It's the last stronghold of feminism and they need to milk this one for all it's worth. If they can't do that, then they'll have to realize they aren't oppressed and watch people lose patience for them being unambitious in legal prospects, sitting out the draft, getting a free pass through the legal system, and so on. They'll lose their privilege. What do they hope to achieve and who gets thrown under the bus in the process? What they want is to be society's special little snowflakes who we love and care for who never have to do anything at all. We get thrown in prison, raped, killed, and have our lives destroyed to make this happen for them. permalink save give gold [–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 2 points 1 day ago Nailed it.](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/feministslie.png?resize=494%2C458&ssl=1)
Nailed it, indeed.
H/T — r/againstmensrights. For more “nailed it” memes, try Buzzfeed.
Spontaneous conversations about rape? It really depends. I was in the med room one day at my old job with a couple of co-workers who were talking about how a patient couldn’t have been raped as often as she said because rape just isn’t that common. I pointed out that about one in three women is assaulted at some point in her life. I pointed at one and then the other and then myself, and said “it was me”. But I just wanted them to shut up about it, because they were sounding really rape apologist and it was bugging the Hell out of me. I also didn’t offer any details beyond ‘it happened to me’.
I feel better about my history now that I can talk about it, acknowledge it, and then move on. I don’t go into details, and I don’t bring it up lightly. And then, I had an incident at work a week and a half ago, and I have been warning my co-workers about the patient. I feel a lot better for talking about that! I have to say that I, personally, feel better for talking to shed some of the shame, but I also remember how hard it was the first time I told.
Everyone responds to trauma differently, I guess.
I’m also still waiting for my special snowflake you must protect me ultra damseling shield, though, so I guess the Feminist High Council is cross with me again.
@grumpyoldnurse
I seem to beall out of ultra damseling shields but would you take some internet hugs instead? Because DAYUM was that a brave thing you did at work!
Thanks, Ire! But, it was actually my manager who was super cool! After the safety plan she implemented, she deserves to be the boss.
No-one I know who has been raped or sexually assaulted thinks of the experience/s as a badge of honour. None of the women, none of the men. I wonder if this person thinks that if you talk about something, it must mean you’re proud of it – otherwise, you’d keep it to yourself? Or perhaps he just has no compassion whatsoever. Either way, may the ground rise up to meet his feet, and may it be made entirely of Lego.
@grumpyoldnurse *standing ovation*
@ Tracy – ::blushes and stammers ‘thanks’ very quietly::
I think he lacks compassion. Also stooopid. I blame the stooopid. Too much stooopid in the Doritos, these days. Also, I hope it’s the little very sharp weird Lego that my son always leaves in the hallway!
“If they’re not oppressed then feminism is gonners”
Ya, like feminism is some life form that exists independently and has a will to survive. lol.
First of all, I’m LMAO at the Cookie Monster cupcakes pic and your caption underneath, David. Nice. 😉
Second, I’m kinda impressed the d-bag featured in the post admits that cat calling is real. Did he not get the MRA memo?
And third, I’m marveling, as always, at the unfathomable disconnect from reality these cretins represent, and the staggering irrationality of their sexual fears:
“lie about rape statistics on all fronts to set the bar for consensual sex so high no couple in a committed relationship meets it?”
Yeah, baby — that’s THE reason we evil wimminz lie about rape stats, to end all sex between couples in committed relationships. Bwahahaha! (evil laughter)
Now that our real agenda is exposed, we’d have to come up with something new and even more devious. I dunno, maybe… Cats For Feminism? Bwahahaha! (That was evil laughter again.)
I have an easier time writing about it on my blog and here than I do talking about it face to face, or over the phone. If I have to verbalize it, I feel like I’m squeezing the words up all the way from my toes. Must be an introvert thing.
@grumpyoldnurse
“I’m also still waiting for my special snowflake you must protect me ultra damseling shield, though, so I guess the Feminist High Council is cross with me again.”
You and me both, grumpyoldnurse. We either must have done something wrong or being raped ain’t what it’s cracked up to be, in the eyes of MRA d-bags.
@Bina:
“I have an easier time writing about it on my blog and here than I do talking about it face to face, or over the phone. If I have to verbalize it, I feel like I’m squeezing the words up all the way from my toes. Must be an introvert thing.”
Or it’s a rape thing. I don’t know any circumstances that make it ever easy to talk about it. Ever.
@ Bina – I’m an introvert, too! Writing anonymously on a blog is mush easier than face to face, I agree. In the two examples I cited, though, there were extenuating circumstances. In the first, I was getting a little bit cross (OK, I was actually pretty PO’d) with what sounded like rape apologia. In the second, I was (and still am) concerned for my co-workers’ safety. (You mentioned telling your mother. That is something that I will NEVER do!)
@ Aunt Edna – You don’t think that a bunch of misogynists could be *gasp* wrong about rape and it’s impact on victims, do you? Dear Bootsy! Someone fetch my fainting couch and smelling salts! I feel a spell coming on!
::waves burning feather under grumpyoldnurse’s nose::
::looks around for Sir Percy Blakeney, Bt, to come and lend a hand::
Yeah…it’s that, too. Even without the stigma, even knowing I wasn’t to blame for him suddenly climbing up over me (we were making out on the floor) and straddling my neck as he unzipped, I still can’t talk about it easily. Not even with my mom, who I always figured I could talk to about literally anything. I didn’t want her to worry about me, that much I do remember. Or to feel guilty that she wasn’t there to protect me because she was already in bed asleep when I got back from what would prove to be a bad date. Or — and this is always a possibility — to lecture me about how you have to be more careful around guys, because they could just suddenly stop making out with you and try to rape you, because biological blahblah NEEDS. Because I’m already careful, dammit, and this still happened.
But yeah…if it were a matter of her personal safety, if the dude had threatened to hurt my family or anything, I’d have yelled bloody murder and brought the whole sleeping house down on his douchebag head. Or bitten his cock off, instead of waiting for him to stop what he was doing and put that thing away, and get off of my face. There are some things even a scared nice girl wouldn’t put up with, when push comes to shove. At the time, and under the circumstances, discretion seemed the better part of valor. Now, it just feels like I was inadvertently protecting someone who deserved nothing of the sort — HIM.
@ kittehserf – *gasp* Thanks, much better, now! No need to bother the Pimpernel!
@ Bina – funny how we will protect others before ourselves, isn’t it? I know exactly what you mean!
Why do we need to “explain” a false proposition?
We generally don’t. Is that an acceptable answer? You can fuck off now you sniveling doucheweasel.
Bina, FWIW, you were also protecting yourself from experiencing even more trauma. You did what you needed to do. Discretion and valor in this case may just mean self-protective common sense.
It’s been over 30 years and I still cannot and will not talk about it. I don’t even want to, because I don’t see any usefulness in revisiting the past. But remembering it so well helps in understanding what others go through.
Now I’ve gotta find a fainting couch for grumpyoldnurse. Goddamit, there never is one when you need it most.
@ Aporiac – we’re not saying any one thing. I’m saying very few people (like statistically insignificant) lie about being raped, feminist or not. Piss up a rope, troll! And I hope you fall off your bridge while doing so!
@ maskerade – I’m so sorry that people are such asshats, maskerade. Internet hugs, if you want them!
@ Aunt Edna – 🙂
Nuh-uh, shithead, you don’t get to play that game here. Prove to us that we’re NOT lying, first.
Er, let’s try this again: Prove to us that we ARE lying first, shithead. Because the rate for false reporting of all crimes, rape included, is less than 5%…and rape is grossly underreported, with about 9 out of every 10 NOT being reported.
I eagerly look forward to hearing your crickets chirp.
Nope, it’s way higher. My rapist tried that defense, failed miserably, is still in jail 14 years later (because I was one of the lucky ones, comparatively – and if the fact that justice makes me lucky doesn’t prove that entire screed full of more shit than a constipated cow, I don’t know what does), and the MRAs I’ve been unfortunate enough to meet still don’t believe it was “Legitimate rape.”
I’m personally dying to get raped so I can further the feminist movement. Any takers?
For the love of humanity!
“we get trown in prison, raped and killed to make it happen for them.”
Being a manospherian sure is a though, busy job; these poor saps bled in wars, fought the nazis, invented science and society, gets trown in gets trown in jail, raped and god knows what else.
one wonders how they find the time spread their “Red Pill” wisdom trough the internet…
I don’t know why they keep bringing up the draft as an excuse. I don’t know why they think that rape is “imaginary” when women say that they were raped.
And furthermore, I don’t know why they say that crap and then say “WHAT ABOUT TEH MENZ?!” in the same breath.
“Women have it pretty good nowadays”
This guy must be from Pluto. Gender pay gap, what’s that? Not many women in STEM fields, what’s that? Women getting hit on or harrassed for playing video games, what’s that?
“they need to milk [sexual violence] for all it’s worth”
Yeah, that When Women Refuse tumblr is clearly made up of imaginary stories. /sarcasm
Dude needs to fall face first into a box of Legos, I swear.
@Sissy I don’t know why they think that rape is “imaginary” when women say that they were raped.
Because it’s a woman saying it, silly! Everyone, well, every real man, knows women are incapable of telling the truth, or at least any truth that he doesn’t like to hear.
I don’t understand what they think feminism has to do with false rape allegations. I mean, they happen obviously, but what’s the link with feminism? This feminist lawyer defended a man who was falsely accused of sexual assault (and it was false; the accuser was lying about numerous provable details), and the two principal witnesses for the defense were women. My D.A. friend staked out a house in another jurisdiction to arrest a woman who had made a false rape allegation. Both professionally as lawyers and ideologically as feminists we take false allegations very, very seriously–and also, you know, as decent human beings. It is despicable to destroy someone’s life with a lie, and it harms true victims.
So I wonder where I fall on the MRA narrative about feminists and rape narratives. I’m guessing one or both of: a) Not true, because obviously bitches be lyin’ and it’s not like they have the brainpower to be lawyers, or b) Not real feminist, I was just brainwashed into thinking I am. It’s amazing sometimes, the mental contortions people use to keep their worldview going.