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Would you like some racism with your misogyny? The Men's Rights subreddit serves up a toxic stew.

If you need me, I'll just be here in my box.
If you need me, I’ll just be here in my box.

Some days I can’t even. Here’s an actual discussion going on in the Men’s Rights subreddit today. How is it that adult human beings can believe these things?

ConfirmedCynic 8 points 10 hours ago   I'm sort of curious, in a morbid way, about the society which unleashed female hypergamy will create.  If they breed largely with the aggressive, physical sort, and the less dramatic, more productive and more thoughtful men get the cold shoulder systematically or just chose to GTOW, what happens as the character of generations change? Will it turn into one big battle ground? Who will do the steady grind of day to day jobs? Not everyone can lead or be an athlete or a thug.      permalink     save     report     give gold     reply  [–]AvgGuy101 1 point 3 hours ago   Curious about the potential results? Just take a look at the inner city neighborhoods in most large cities in the US. I also wonder who is going to pay for all of these "choices"?      permalink     save     parent     report     give gold     reply  [–]dogshits -1 points 3 hours ago*   I think things will change for the better and women will get the men they deserve; ones that won't take any shit no matter the amount of social conditioning they throw at them. That will finally lead to the most vile cunts being bred out and a second renaissance of a good complementary femininity.  A great failing of more other kinds of men is that they largely comprise of white knights. Men who derive all their social capital through women and basically trample over each other to protect women and moderate themselves to the point of castration. I've seen some improvement when they lift, hang with bros and basically grow a spine, but feminists are doing everything to keep large groups of men from assembling starting out from the very beginning with father and son.

Ugh. And these guys actually think that they’re the “less dramatic, more productive and more thoughtful men?” Sorry to break it to you, fellas, but YOU are what’s wrong with men today.

Anyway, I’m tapping out for now. I’m taking the day off. Maybe a couple of days. There’s stuff going on in GamerGate I should be writing about but, you know, I just can’t. I need to clear my head.

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kittehserf
6 years ago

Losers. Contemptible losers, that’s all.

Have a kittyfull time off, David!

duckbunny
6 years ago

Their entire worldview really is based on accepting every bullshit stereotype they come across and treating it as Divine Truth. They build legalistic systems out of “I heard some guy joke about this on TV once”. They are rules lawyering bullshit.

schwadevivre
6 years ago

David – remember “Illegitimus non carborundum!”

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

How is it that adult human beings can believe these things?

By refusing to believe that there is anything that impacts human behavior beyond genetics, by ignorance of how the world works, and by not thinking too deeply about what their own theory would imply. A big ol’ heaping helping of racism doesn’t hurt.

sparky
sparky
6 years ago

The Men’s Rights subreddit serves up a toxic stew.

Isn’t that the daily special over there?

Pocket Nerd
6 years ago

Enjoy your time off, David.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

I don’t want any racism or misogyny. I do want to bury my face in that kitty’s belly.

Anarchonist
Anarchonist
6 years ago

Have a nice break, David! Make sure you rest up and cuddle a lot of kitties. We’ll be here when you come back!

ikanreed
ikanreed
6 years ago

Racism has had a huge uptick online lately. Not just Ferguson, but brewing for a couple years now.

Things you wouldn’t see anywhere but stormfront now being posted everywhere right-wingers go.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

Take it easy, David!

I’ll just sit here wondering where Spongebob’s legs go. O_O

Falconer
6 years ago

Me too, Kirbywarp. Me too.

Vanir (@Vanir85)
6 years ago

wonder if they soon gonna stop pretending it’s about rights for men, and be honest about just wanting women to be under their control. obviously they want brainwashed fembots

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

feminists are doing everything to keep large groups of men from assembling

…said the “less dramatic” man.

contrapangloss
6 years ago

Enjoy your break!

I’ll join the “But where do the legs go?” club in the meantime…

Falconer
6 years ago

@Buttercup: But it’s the most important squashing of civil rights of this century! For wherever three Gits gather, there too is Roosh V.

msmalarkey
6 years ago

….wow.

daintydougal
daintydougal
6 years ago

I hope all the various kitties enjoy their time off too.

I don’t understand the use of the highlighter, it makes it difficult to read and annoying.

Puddleglum
6 years ago

I’m still marveling over ‘more other kinds of men’. Clearly, his teachers were misandrists.

Mewens
Mewens
6 years ago

Re: Racism everywhere: I saw a comment on that liberal matriarchy utopia Polygon (/snark) about how blacks had privilege too because they were “genetically” stronger and more confident than whites.

I had to do a double-take; the comment was so left-field bizarre, blatantly racist, anti-science and “not even wrong” about privilege that I assumed it would be deleted in moments. Left a snarky response, and, lo and behold, it was still there a day later – and a defender had shown up, accusing me of being intolerant of “different opinions.” Wha?

Remember, this is Polygon, the place high on the goobers’ crap list b/c of its heavy moderation. And this “I’m not racist, buuut …” comment stood! Just mind-blowing.

Alpha von Carousel
Alpha von Carousel
6 years ago

Is it time to ignore GamerGate forever yet?

Please tell me it’s time to ignore GamerGate forever.

Johanna Roberts
6 years ago

While there is a small amount of truth to a predisposition to some personalities being genetic it’s not NEARLY as strong as these assholes seem to think and it’s a PREDISPOSITION personality is influenced by ten million other things than having a gene that sometimes causes a foul temper. *shakes head*

Crissa
Crissa
6 years ago

I suppose people saw http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/12/04/The-Sexodus-Part-1-The-Men-Giving-Up-On-Women-And-Checking-Out-Of-Society

It’s just so… Factually troubled and listed with wingnut welfare mentions that it’s painful.

Puddleglum
6 years ago

@Crissa, yup, it’s another regurgitation of ‘what about the menz?!?!??’. Ugh.

Jimmy
Jimmy
6 years ago

One of the roughest things to get over, for me, is the very clear message that these assholes believe that one day women will acquiesce to being shoved back into the box. Just accepting the treatment that they’re only ornaments, only objects, only baby machines.

I’m an old queen who grew up in a house full of sisters, and headed by a matriarch that could have chewed up these assholes’ bones and spit out sand. What these foolish, seething, ridiculous cowards don’t know about women could fill fifty oceans and still overflow.

May they all cross paths with women exactly like my mama. They will never get back up, and she won’t even chip a nail.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

A counterpoint to the opening of that breitbart article, which is about as far as I could get without noping out and seemed to be all about how terrible the kids are these days.

Kids these days are doing pretty good, and marriage is doing pretty good as well.

emilygoddess - MOD
emilygoddess - MOD
6 years ago

wonder if they soon gonna stop pretending it’s about rights for men, and be honest about just wanting women to be under their control.

They came pretty close above when they mentioned “complimentary femininity”. I think it’s about both for them: these guys literally believe that men’s rights are threatened when women aren’t building our lives around them.

Inez Milholland
Inez Milholland
6 years ago

“Complimentary femininity” = bitches who know their place.

There fellas, fixed that typo for you.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

Ok, ok, I tried reading the article again. Jeeeesus christ on a pogo stick.

Women today are schooled in victimhood, taught to be aggressively vulnerable and convinced that the slightest of perceived infractions, approaches or clumsy misunderstandings represents “assault,” “abuse” or “harassment.” That may work in the safe confines of campus, where men can have their academic careers destroyed on the mere say-so of a female student.

But, according to Paglia, when that women goes out into the real world without the safety net of college rape committees, she is left totally unprepared for the sometimes violent reality of male sexuality.

I can barely untangle this. Women are taught to be victims (where? how?), but that only works on campus where they are always believed and the abusers are always harshly punished (yeah right). But, in the real world, “male sexuality” is sometimes violent. Thus, their training of crying victim won’t actually work because reasons?

The way this paints the picture, women are unprepared to live in the real world not because men aren’t violent (they are), but because they aren’t as readily believed. Oh, and guess what the conclusion sentence is to the last paragraph? You got it, what about the menz!

And the panics and fear-mongering are serving men even more poorly. All in all, education is becoming a miserable experience for boys.

What a mess of a few paragraphs. And so misandrous too!

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

TIL that inner city neighborhoods are the direct result of women breeding with large athletes.

@Falconer – It does get exhausting, constantly barging into mens’ locker rooms with a broom and yelling “Shoo!! BREAK IT UP! There’s too many of you!”

I’ve seen some improvement when they lift, hang with bros, and basically grow a spine

That sounds like a really odd workout. Remind me never to go to that gym.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

I have sacrificed to the Blockquote Mammoth, that we may enjoy a more bountiful harvest.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

That whole article makes boys, the subgroup of human beings I am a part of, sound like aliens. There’s nothing I can relate to in there personally.

“Nobody in my generation believes they’re going to get a meaningful retirement. We have a third or a quarter of the wealth previous generations had, and everyone’s fleeing to higher education to stave off unemployment and poverty because there are no jobs.

“All that wouldn’t be so bad if we could at least dull the pain with girls. But we’re treated like paedophiles and potential rapists just for showing interest. My generation are the beautiful ones,” he sighs, referring to a 1960s experiment on mice that supposedly predicted a grim future for the human race.

Apparently girls are now pain medication. Given that the quoted dude complains about being called a pedophile and rapist, somehow I think he means “girls” literally.

Christ, though, I can’t even with this worldview. Every human being faces problems with retirement, wealth, jobs, and poverty, yet this dude views ‘girls’ as objects to turn to, rather than fellow human beings to commiserate with. I just can’t even.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Is it time to ignore GamerGate forever yet?

Please tell me it’s time to ignore GamerGate forever.

Oh gods yes, seconded, Alpha von Carousel.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

“Complimentary femininity” sounds like one of those mints they put on hotel pillows.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

I saw a comment on that liberal matriarchy utopia Polygon (/snark) about how blacks had privilege too because they were “genetically” stronger and more confident than whites.

Even if this were true, how can anyone see that as some big advantage in light of recent events? Unarmed black men get murdered by cops in part because they’re perceived as abnormally strong, fast, and aggressive. Ffs, Darren Wilson compared Mike Brown to a demon. I also remember reading what black people are perceived as being more pain tolerant which can only translate into less empathy for black suffering.

This perception also gets used to minimalize the accomplishments of black athletes a lot. White athletes win with hard work and perseverance. Black athletes win with naturally stronger muscles. That narrative advantages white athletes IMO. I’ve also seen the figure skating and gymnastics communities stereotype black athletes as being athletic but not graceful and artistic. Since artistry is part of the score in both sports, especially skating this is again not an advantage.

kittehserf
6 years ago

“Yes sir, and would you like some complimentary femininity with that?”

Though it should be complementary femininity in the original context, unless they really do mean women are supposed to sit around paying them compliments. Which isn’t much of a stretch, with these jerkoffs.

sparky
sparky
6 years ago

That Breitbart article is full of ridiculousness. My favorite part:

“My generation are the beautiful ones,” he sighs, referring to a 1960s experiment on mice that supposedly predicted a grim future for the human race.
After overpopulation ran out of control, the female mice in John Calhoun’s “mouse universe” experiment stopped breeding, and the male mice withdrew from the company of others entirely, eating, sleeping, feeding and grooming themselves but doing little else. They had shiny coats, but empty lives.
“The parallels are astounding,” says Rupert.

Apparently, men are just like mice (that’s really not what John Steinbeck was getting at in Of Mice and Men). Also, apparently, when a mouse spends his time “eating, sleeping, feeding and grooming” his life his empty and meaningless.
*

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

All that wouldn’t be so bad if we could at least dull the pain with girls. But we’re treated like paedophiles and potential rapists just for showing interest.

It couldn’t possibly be that people treat him like a potential rapist or abuser because he views half the population the way one might view a bottle of whiskey or a bowl of mac and cheese!

But, according to Paglia, when that women goes out into the real world without the safety net of college rape committees, she is left totally unprepared for the sometimes violent reality of male sexuality.

I just love how much anti-fems whine about how we think all men are rapists but then they’ll flock to “thinkers” like Paglia who actually think all men are rapists but frame it as a biotruth and something that’s okay. It’s just really telling.

banned@4chan.org
banned@4chan.org
6 years ago

“Aggressively vulnerable?” Sure, I get that he’s using ‘aggresive’ in a context where that isn’t really an oxymoron, but why didn’t his editor step in for that?

(and why am I nitpicking this guy’s grammar when the content of his message is so awful?)

maistrechat
6 years ago

re:”complementary femininity”

This was an actual justification used in the 6th circuit anti-marriage equality ruling.
In 2014, a sitting judge cited complementarianism. Weirdly, none of the actual criticisms I’ve seen of the ruling have mentioned that issue.

Mewens
Mewens
6 years ago

@WWTH: Right?!? I mean, the poster’s essay quickly devolved into a this tired “stereotypes exist for a reason, and we should all use them to quickly understand individuals” rant, which probably should have clued me in – he or she didn’t _want_ to understand the concept of privilege.

I’m not amazed that just-so racist jerkoffs exist; I’m just amazed how their nonsense is being tolerated in places where it should stick out like a flare in the dark.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

I think Spongebob’s legs go to the same place where Optimus Prime’s trailer goes when he doesn’t need it.

If they breed largely with the aggressive, physical sort, and the less dramatic, more productive and more thoughtful men get the cold shoulder systematically or just chose to GTOW, what happens as the character of generations change? Will it turn into one big battle ground? Who will do the steady grind of day to day jobs? Not everyone can lead or be an athlete or a thug.

MRAs really don’t seem to grasp how this kind of speculation demonstrates how incredibly stupid their biotruth assfax actually are, how utterly incompatible the “alpha fucks, beta bucks” model is with reality which they can plainly, plainly see right here.

I mean, I know that they think that 1950s middle-class Western white sexual culture is what kept “hypergamy” under control, but H. sapiens sapiens didn’t evolve in the 1950s. Why weren’t betas bred out of the species long, long ago?

As so often happens, they are right on the edge of an epiphany and don’t even realize it.

ParadoxicalIntention
ParadoxicalIntention
6 years ago

It never ceases to amaze me how the most “misandrist” of people are the ones crying it ad nauseum.

One side of their mouths: “Stop saying all men are rapists!”
The other side: “Men just need to have sex (with wimmens because no homo) any way possible! It’s a biological FACT.”

*sigh*

And I would REALLY want to see (out of my own morbid curiosity) what they think “femininity” is. Because I have a sinking feeling that it’s “perfect obedience to my every thought, desire, and whim because penis”.

Seriously though, I read through the snippets (and I agree with daintydougal, the highlighter is a little too much. I guess it would be better if it wasn’t so wobbly?) and it’s like these people really have no tolerance for anyone who exists outside of their narrow worldviews. Would their heads explode if they went outside for five minutes, or is that just fuel for them to gain BroPoints™ with their fellows to see who can whine the loudest and the most obnoxiously about how “privileged” other races are and how they can’t get laid because women are harpies (rather than maybe consider that the common factor in their relationship history is they themselves, so that might be the problem?)

Though, I think about their comments about how they’ll be “bred out” in a few generations because the wimmens won’t sleep with them and have their little misandry babbies, and this was the first thing that popped in my head:

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/clubpenguinpookie/images/3/32/Grumpy_Cat_Good.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140306235947

HowlOwl
HowlOwl
6 years ago

“Comprise”, “derive” even “renaissance” – all words I want to burn from my vocabulary now.

Hope you enjoy your time off, David. 🙂

Robert
Robert
6 years ago

Dull the pain with girls.

Never have I wanted the nopetopus more.

Jenny (@dontgiveah00t)

It never ceases to amaze me how backward they have it. They think they’re oppressed for not being valued and it never seems to occur to them that maybe they’re not that valuable, that they aren’t the ‘less dramatic, more productive, more thoughtful’ men they think they are.

Twisted Inspiration
6 years ago

How strange is it to think you need a spine to be exactly like someone else wants you to be? Standing up to idiots takes a spine. Following the brainless, genital-driven nonsense these people spew out doesn’t take a spine, just a lack of something quite important connected to it.

Karalora
6 years ago

I just love how much anti-fems whine about how we think all men are rapists but then they’ll flock to “thinkers” like Paglia who actually think all men are rapists but frame it as a biotruth and something that’s okay. It’s just really telling.

What they actually object to is not the insinuation that all men are rapists, but that rapists should be punished. They don’t think rape is wrong, or if they do, they view it as a property crime one man commits against another by violating “his” woman.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

“Complementary femininity”? Oh, for the fuck of holy shit. If you wondered how the racism got into the sexism, now you can wonder how the fundamentalism got on top of it all. It’s like some unholy version of peanut-butter cups where there’s peppermint frosting on top. Yecccch.

Tessa
6 years ago

Kirbywarp:

I can barely untangle this. Women are taught to be victims (where? how?), but that only works on campus where they are always believed and the abusers are always harshly punished (yeah right). But, in the real world, “male sexuality” is sometimes violent. Thus, their training of crying victim won’t actually work because reasons?

The way this paints the picture, women are unprepared to live in the real world not because men aren’t violent (they are), but because they aren’t as readily believed. Oh, and guess what the conclusion sentence is to the last paragraph? You got it, what about the menz!

Actually to me it paints the picture that in college, men are so tightly controlled by the social and authoritative power of academic policy that women complain about minor non-issues… But this makes them soft. In the “real world,” men are free to be their truly violent selves and women are unprepared for what unrestrained men will do to them.

He’s saying college guys are like safely domesticated animals in zoos, and women shouldn’t complain about a few friendly scratches or nips… It doesn’t prepare her for going out into nature, where the wild men roam. Wild men don’t have zookeepers. Wild men are horrible violent beasts that women need to be prepared for their whole lives.

brooked
6 years ago

I could live longer than Methuselah, and life would still be too short to click on a Breitbart link.