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Red Pill Alpha Dog Tip of the Day: Totally dominate hot babes by scheduling your texts for later!

Make her wait for your tweets, LIKE A BOSS
Make her wait for your tweets, LIKE A BOSS

The Alpha Dogs on the Red Pill Subreddit are totally taking “text game” to the next level.

You know how it is when a Hot Babe 8 texts you and you start typing out a reply because, you know, that’s what people do when they get texts, and then you get ready to click “send” because that’s how you send texts? DON’T DO IT! SENDING TEXTS WHEN YOU WRITE THEM IS TOTALLY BETA.

Instead, show her who’s boss by scheduling your text to be sent later. THEN SHE’LL THINK YOU REPLIED LATER BECAUSE YOU’RE SO COOL AND BUSY AND ALOOF and totally not desperate to get in her pants or anything!

And your phone makes it easy! As noahbish explains:

Put the Hamster on your clock. (self.TheRedPill)  submitted 10 hours ago by noahbish  I just wanted to share a powerful little tool with you gents that has helped me tremendously. If you have an android phone you can compose a text message and have it scheduled to be sent at the time of your choosing. I have always had the issue of waiting to respond to a text and ultimately forgetting because I did not want to reply too quickly. So instead I will usually take the amount of time it took her to respond to me and double or triple it then have the message scheduled to be sent at X time. Another thing I love to do is schedule messages to be sent late at night after I have already been to bed. In my experience it really keeps women on their heels, keeps you in frame when it comes to texting, and also keeps the bs chatter to a minimum.  Compose your message> hit your android botton (bottom left of your phone)>scheduling> set time and date> hit send. Hope this helps  EDIT : Formatting

She’ll be like, why didn’t he answer me, maybe I’m ugly and he’s too SUPERCOOL for me, and totally not someone playing stupid high school dating games by scheduling his response for later because, really, who would even do that.

Truly, there is nothing more alpha as fuck than scheduling your texts so you won’t seem beta as fuck.

Also another totally cool thing you can do is to text “370HSSV 0773H” to people and when they ask what it means tell them to turn their phone upside down. Ha ha! OWNED.

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Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 years ago

I find retail chains banning random games to be troublesome, mostly when those games are not really special in their category. If the retailer says, ‘I don’t carry games like X,’ then you can make an informed decision to not go to that retailer or not over that.

But if they just pull games only when it’s hot in the news, well… That’s not really an informed position, is it?

This progression makes no sense, mainly because you are using “informed” in two different ways: to refer to the consumer’s information in the first paragraph, and to the retailer’s information in the second one. That’s actually a fallacy of informal logic, called equivocation.

It also makes no sense because you are assuming that the person in charge of these decisions at the retailer is blindly following trends and not bothering to inform zirself, which is an assumption that you are not qualified to make.

The timing and selection seems a bit odd, that’s all.

And heaven knows that the world must revolve around what Crissa thinks is troublesome or odd.

Puddleglum
5 years ago

I dunno, I find retail chains banning random games to be troublesome

But they didn’t pull a random game. They received complaints about a specific game, so they reviewed it and decided to pull it. How is that random?

Puddleglum
5 years ago

@Michelle, actually, I’m fine with text only, my phone is bad with actual calls (I think it’s the lifeproof box blocking some of the sound, but I don’t know for sure), but it texts beautifully. So I can text with my eldest, it gets through, zie can respond whenever, it’s all good.

Fibinachi
5 years ago

The difference between my stance being informed by your deliberate choices and your random, arbritrary actions is a point easily made although with ultimate slight differences. I don’t see the need to harp on the difficulty of asserting the intentionality of others – or are all hypothethicals banned for lack of concrete facts relating to them? Crissa’s point was clear enough, even if expressed without full formal rigour. What’s the exact need to respond so exactingly technical to a statement of opinion?

Also – banning GTA 5 a full year after release is silly, especially so because it is the eight or ninth entry in the series and violence against people has featured prominently since it was a 2d game two decades ago. There’s being informed and then there’s being slow.

Mezza
Mezza
5 years ago

Bit of a late reply. I’ve been trying to be more active here (since I only recently stopped delurking), but I have a lot going on IRL right now.
I’ve seen all this before, so I’m not really shocked. Most TRP/PUA methods are ridiculous.

@Plaat
I’ve heard self-identified PUAs talking about their success rates… I can’t remember the exact numbers, but it was VERY low for someone who spends most of their time trying to pick up women. It’s almost like PUA/’alpha’ game doesn’t actually work as well as misogynists claim.
Hell, I’m pretty sure I’ve heard someone on TRP say “The Red Pill works 100% of the time if you ignore rejections.” …Yeah.

(Again, I don’t have the links to these, so it’s fine if people don’t take them at face value. I used to frequent TBP a lot, so I’ve read more ridiculous quotes than I can remember.)

@WWTH
Well, of course it’s censorship! Censorship is defined as “businesses doing things that affect dudebros.” Well, not in any real dictionary, but I’m totally going to add it to Urban Dictionary and that’ll show you all that I’m right.

@hamstering
Yes, hamstering is just the idea that women trying to ‘rationalize’ things is like a hamster running frantically on a wheel. It’s a way for pillers to dismiss any woman’s opinion on relationships, feminism, etc. as ‘hamstering’, so they don’t have to actually engage with women on topics like gender inequality or relationships.

It’s basically a way of saying “women can think, but not as well as men.” It’s the same logic that practically every misogynist in the history of ever has used, except it’s also offensive to hamsters.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
5 years ago

Hell, I’m pretty sure I’ve heard someone on TRP say “The Red Pill works 100% of the time if you ignore rejections.” …Yeah.

My success rate on sales calls is 100% if you ignore all the times that people hang up on me, tell me to piss off, or say “no thank you we already have that”?

Plaatsvervangende Schaamte

@Mezza

I actually remember seeing something along those lines myself. Strip away all of the misogynist trappings, and pick-up artistry is basically just a numbers game where you handicap yourself by being a solid douche.

katz
5 years ago

Yeah, I also think banning GTA V is silly. I’d like less misogyny in games, but that’s a pretty ineffectual way to do it. In fact GTA has such a history as the poster child of violence/misogyny in games that in some ways it serves to undermine the overall impression of sexism in the industry as a whole, which of course can’t be fixed by petitioning stores not to stock a game.

I’m also not sure why we are picking on someone for saying that something seems odd. What are you supposed to say if something seems odd to you?

Fibinachi
5 years ago

Yeah, don’t get me wrong – I’d much rather Rockstar stopped making such bothersome games, or at least tried making them with just a bit of flair. But what’s the point of banning GTA 5 exactly?

It’s not like they stopped selling GTA 4 when there’s a mission where you literally kidnap a woman, punch her several times to knock her out or other such things. I don’t recall them ceasing sales back when the Hot Coffee mod thing was a thing people talked about (it’s a mod that unlocks parts of the game wherein you have sex with people). In Red Dead Redemption you can kidnap women and tie them to railroad tracks to be run over by trains, and this grants you an achievement. Don’t see people not selling the game for that. Rockstar has kind of a history with their simulations including various ways to maim and murder men and women, which is fine if that’s what you want to play, yet “Rockstar Games games” is not a category I see banned very often.

No no, much rather stop selling a game a year after release when most people pre-ordered and those who didn’t probably have it by now.

Hell, for effective treatment, look rather to Rockstars Manhunt or Manhunt 2, two games wherein you hunt people. And murder them. Fairly often in incredibly graphic and disturbing ways. Those were banned in several countries for being amazingly fucked up. Australia denied classification, which meant it couldn’t be sold at all.

That’s effective, and makes a clear impact, and has a definite point. A store half-assedly banning a game a year after release when your store has already sold 90 % of the volume you’re going to sell of said game? That’s just playing politics, and makes kind of a mockery of the pretensions of concern for women. Oh, they’re important enough to defend. Sure. In the off-season. Once we’ve already done our business.

kittehserf
5 years ago

I dunno, I find retail chains banning random games to be troublesome, mostly when those games are not really special in their category. If the retailer says, ‘I don’t carry games like X,’ then you can make an informed decision to not go to that retailer or not over that.

Target and KMart were saying exactly that, in response to petitions by their customers. KMart apologised for not being on top of the misogynistic shit in GTA5. Shops aren’t obliged to carry any particular item. Sounds like you’re pushing a FREEZE PEACH line here – well screw that, if so, because it wouldn’t apply even if this were the US.

katz – Crissa’s proving to be little more than a troll, doing nothing but trying to create drama in every thread she comments in. She’s not going to get a good response to this sort of shit.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
5 years ago

Do people actually think that a retailer as big as Kmart or Walmart is aware of the content of every game (or movie, or whatever entertainment product) that they carry? From their perspective those games may as well be cans of soup, they’re not going to know or care about the specifics of the content unless someone tells them that there’s a problem with it (which in this case people did).

scalyllama
5 years ago
Reply to  Fibinachi

But it’s not off season for retailers, it’s pre-Christmas. And GTA 5 had just been released for new platforms – PS4 and Xbox One, with release of a Windows version in January.

There’s still plenty of sales to be made.

>

Fibinachi
5 years ago

Oh, they re-released it? I wasn’t aware of that fact. My malapproportioned rage seems out of proportion, I guess. So that’s some small difference then! Goodie.

I still think banning it is silly, but sure, at least they’re reasonable about it.

GrumpyOldMan
5 years ago

“Strip away all of the misogynist trappings, and pick-up artistry is basically just a numbers game where you handicap yourself by being a solid douche.”

Er, well … on the surface, certainly, the more advances you make to women the more likely you are to “get lucky”. But … it seems to me that however much they may look like they’re trying to get laid, they really can’t repress their hostility to women enough, so “C’mn and sleep with me, lady” comes out more like “Go fuck yourself, you’re nothing but a snooty c*nt.” So, if I’m seeing it right, the misogyny overrules the desire to get laid, and the douchebaggery IS the point..

Tracy
Tracy
5 years ago

Count me in on thinking the GTA V banning is silly and, ultimately, useless. I get that people complained, so they removed it… assuming because, like Walmart, they are a family-friendly store. But the GTA series has been the same since it was 2D (like Fibinachi said), and if they hadn’t caught on by now (it’s not difficult to know what the GTA series has been about since its inception) then they aren’t actually looking – it seems to me that they’ll stock whatever they think will sell, and only care about the content when people complain and they want to look good. (This is a long way of saying it strikes me as an empty, meaningless gesture undeserving of applause.)

*Full disclosure – I play the GTA series and enjoy it, problematic elements aside.

Tracy
Tracy
5 years ago

“Strip away all of the misogynist trappings, and pick-up artistry is basically just a numbers game where you handicap yourself by being a solid douche.”

I’m starting to think it’s actually more about impressing other douchey PUA’s than anything else.

Plaatsvervangende Schaamte

@Tracy & Grumpy

Well, yeah, if you’re not going to be charitable about it :-P.

I feel like at some point, the whole concept of PUA actually did start out with the (still reprehensible) kernel of “I want to trick that woman into sleeping with me,” but since it doesn’t work, at all, for its frothing minions at least, it’s become just another wing of the woman-hating “manosphere.”

Michelle C Young
5 years ago

At Falconer – It works on Macs, too?! OOoooh!

Thank you!

Michelle C Young
5 years ago

@Falconer – ZOPMG!!! GOG is the greatest thing in the world!!!

Yeah, I found it, and it says it works for Mac, AND it was on sale, and I have just downloaded that, and a few other games I have missed, and I AM ASO ECXCIETEDD!!!

Michelle C Young
5 years ago

So, I’ve got Lord of the Realms, and Planescape Torment and Icewind Dale and Pirates Gold…

I kinda went off the rails, but it was all on sale!!!

Off to play, now. Thanks so much, Falconer!!!!

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 years ago

@Fibinachi

Crissa’s reasoning was bad, and here’s why I care: because Crissa never contributes anything to a thread except to be contrary, and I’m not impressed by it. If zie’s going to be contrary everywhere zie goes, zie can at least apply good reasoning. This halfhearted “I disagree with everyone for ill-explained reasons” is just trolling.

kittehserf
5 years ago

They’re not BANNING anything, they’re simply not selling the goddamn thing. Talking about two chains banning it is as silly as claiming it’s censorship. They’re not obligated to sell the fucking thing, and they’re responding to complaints from customers. I am reeeeeallly side-eyeing all the cries against what they’ve done.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
5 years ago

Are those the only places in Australia where people can buy games? Cause if not, they don’t have the power to ban or censor anything.

(Also because they’re not the government.)

kittehserf
5 years ago

cassandra – no, there’s any number of shops where one can buy the things. There are (gasp) shops that only sell games.

Going on current performance, we might be better off if Target and Kmart were the government.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

I don’t really care if a store decides not to carry a game or not. What cracked me up is the hypocrisy. If feminists can’t critique sexist tropes in games because businesses can do whatever they want, gamer bros can’t critique retail chains for not carrying games because businesses can to what they want.

I really don’t think Target was being political when they pulled the game so debating it’s effectiveness is besides the point. Target doesn’t care about anything but the bottom line. I should know, they’re headquartered in my city. The Australian division got complaints and made a business decision. That’s it.

Funny story: an acquaintance of mine used to work for Target testing the air quality in stores. It was all top secret and she was discouraged from really talking about it. Apparently they didn’t want the public knowing the air quality had to be tested. I don’t know why though. Personally, it makes me feel better knowing they’re making sure there’s nothing toxic in their air.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
5 years ago

They don’t sell horses and violins either. I am thinking I might write up a petition to have them punished for that cruel injustice.

kittehserf
5 years ago

Do it, thebewilderness!

Jenny (@dontgiveah00t)

Yeah, as far as I know there are places here in Aus where you can get the game, just not in Target. There’s plenty of places devoted solely to selling videogames where I’m sure you could buy that particular game.

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

I feel like at some point, the whole concept of PUA actually did start out with the (still reprehensible) kernel of “I want to trick that woman into sleeping with me,” but since it doesn’t work, at all, for its frothing minions at least, it’s become just another wing of the woman-hating “manosphere.”

Bingo.

There didn’t use to be a “manosphere” as we now know it when I first heard of guys trying to pick women up (this would be in the late ’70s). Just a bunch of sleazy dudes using cheesy lines in an effort to “score” sex, and striking out more often than not. Now it’s morphed into a whole pseudoscience, in which women are defective computers and PUAs are the hucksters and charlatans claiming to sell a universal cheat code to make them “work”. Of course, it’s no more successful than the dude of the ’70s in his ugly polyester shirt (and looking at a lot of them, I feel like there is a serious fashion time warp going on, too, because that undone-shirt thing is still happening). But the corny kernel of the old pickup subculture is still there, just overlaid with a whole slew of various decades’ worth of pseudo-scientific bullshit from NLP, evol-psych, etc. Plus a whole slew of various decades’ worth of political bullshit, from the “caveman” stuff of the ’50s and ’60s, all the way through to ’90s flibbertigibbertarianism. All of it aimed squarely at putting women in “their” place…which is, of course, under a man’s thumb.

Falconer
5 years ago

@Michelle:

At Falconer – It works on Macs, too?! OOoooh!

Thank you!

You’re very welcome! I am glad to spread the message of Good Old Games.

I should probably start apologizing in advance to people for showing them a new way to spend a lot of money, kind of like how TVTropes is up-front about how you’re gonna waste hours on the site.

Tracy
Tracy
5 years ago

A store can choose to sell or not sell whatever they want – of course you can buy it elsewhere. I just don’t think it was a particularly grand gesture on their part, or that (as WWTH said) they were being political – it was good PR.

If feminists can’t critique sexist tropes in games because businesses can do whatever they want, gamer bros can’t critique retail chains for not carrying games because businesses can to what they want.

Lol, agreed! I thought most of them liked the whole ‘free market’ thing (when it serves them… dog forbid when it doesn’t)

Re: air quality – Busband and I once asked a guy we knew at WalMart why it always smelled slightly… bad in there. His reply: “dead rats in the ceiling”.

ktrantingredhead
5 years ago

Lol….”in my experience”

Translation: In the fantasies I make up in my head

Orion
5 years ago

It is indeed pretty weird to get upset about decisions by Target and KMart. Australia is a country with actual state-enforced censorship of video games. I would think that actual australians (or people who care about Australians) would save their protest for that, but I suppose instead of perspective it breeds reflexive defensiveness.

Fibinachi
5 years ago

Seriously – guys – I just think it’s sort of silly for some stores to ban games. I’d like to think my opinions are based on some informed stance (“Banning stuff in general is fair less productive than having actual conversations about the content in question”) and aren’t merely reflexive upset defensive cries of freeze peach anti-feminist-analysis rage without perspective, and I’m a little confused as to the sentiment I’m reading here.

Am I missing some crucial part of this conversation that sailed right the fuck over my head?

Funny story: an acquaintance of mine used to work for Target testing the air quality in stores. It was all top secret and she was discouraged from really talking about it. Apparently they didn’t want the public knowing the air quality had to be tested. I don’t know why though. Personally, it makes me feel better knowing they’re making sure there’s nothing toxic in their air.

Stock fluctuations. If the rumor starts going around that Target stores are doing air quality tests, the assumption is they’re doing them for a reason that is negative and it might cause a bit of a drop in listed stock prices. That’s a loss for investors.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

I’d agree that discussing problematic things in all media, not just games is preferable to banning. My point was more just that Target probably doesn’t care about the problematic things in GTA and isn’t being political in any way. They just pulled it because it got complaints and it seemed like a good business decision to do so. I really doubt Target is trying to provoke a conversation about sexism in video games. Since they weren’t trying to accomplish any kind of political goal, it doesn’t really make sense to argue whether or not they’re action is effective.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

Their action, rather. I blame only being on my first cup of coffee.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

I would think that actual australians (or people who care about Australians) would save their protest for that, but I suppose instead of perspective it breeds reflexive defensiveness.

I suspect most of the people whining about this are not Australian. It’s rather funny that Americans are thinking of boycotting Target over when American Targets are still selling the game. Plus, Wal-Mart bans things with explicit content all the time or they sell the radio version of music with swear words in it. So it would be silly to switch from Target to Wal-Mart when the latter does this kind of thing far more often.

kittehserf
5 years ago

WWTH – the only Australians I’ve heard complaining were two men and one woman in a straw poll on the news, and they sounded like they hadn’t given it a moment’s thought beyond “Oh they’re only games.”

Fibi, yes, I do think you’re missing the point by talking about banning. Two stores not stocking something is not any sort of banning. They’re not obliged to sell the goddamn things. This conversation is echoing trolls who complaing about their FREEZE PEACH and CENSORSHIP! when they’re told they can’t trot out their nonsense in this particular space. Whatever their reasons, Target and KMart have done no more than moderators do in responding to their customers’/commenters complaints.

I also side-eye the idea that “banning” is automatically bad even if it had taken place in this case.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
5 years ago

@ Fibi

I think something may be getting lost in internet communication, yes. Certainly it’s a bit silly to stop carrying one violent game and still carry others if the goal is to eliminate violent games, but the thing is, that’s not actually the store’s goal? Like I said earlier, the games may as well be cans of soup from their perspective, they’re just removing a product that lots of customers have complained about, same as they would for any other product where it seems like the benefits of carrying it are outweighed by the negative PR and/or customers who may decide to shop elsewhere if they don’t pull the product.

katz
5 years ago

People are way talking past each other here, because every statement made on this topic by a non-troll can pretty much all be true at the same time. Like I haven’t heard anyone, least of all Fibi, talking about free speech or censorship or denying that stores have a right to stock whatever merchandise they like or claiming that Target and Wal-Mart have some motive beyond the obvious fiscal one, and I really don’t know why that stuff is being brought up or who it’s aimed at. (I think Fibi is being a bit loose about the distinction between the action taken by the stores themselves and the action taken by the people petitioning the stores, though.)

Since I don’t want to get caught up in any misunderstandings, my opinion is:

-That stores do, obviously, have the right to stock or not stock whatever merchandise they like.
-That people have the right to petition stores to stock or not stock something for whatever reason they like.
-But that, however, doing so may or may not be a very effective way to accomplish your larger objective.
-And that in this case, if the larger objective is reducing misogyny and/or violence in games, it’s not, IMO.
-And so I would not participate in this particular campaign, and would preferentially encourage other forms of activism.
-But I am not actively opposed either to people doing the campaign or the stores responding by not stocking the game (see points 1 and 2).

I hope all of that is acceptable to everyone.

kittehserf
5 years ago

I brought up the usual “free speech!” stuff because this seemed to be paralleling those things, and it was eyebrow-raising to see Fibi talking about it in such similar terms. The idea that a store choosing not to stock something = banning is nonsense. I simply say good on their customers for bringing it up, and the stores for responding as they did.

Fibinachi
5 years ago

Ah, thanks. That cleared that up. I guess we just meant different things by “ban” and talked past each other.

Also Katz summed up what I meant perfectly.

Orion
5 years ago

That people have the right to petition stores to stock or not stock something for whatever reason they like.

I actually don’t think there is a moral right to petition for the removal of arbitrary items. In this particular case there are solid justifications — target and kmart presumably don’t have extensive game libraries, so anything they cut is making room for something else. They’re invested in a family-friendly image, and if you go there for that atmosphere finding GTA on the shelf would be incongruous. This is one of the few instances where I’d be sympathetic to a “what about the children” argument.

That said, I think one does have to have a justification to have something pulled, and that preventing other people from getting things you don’t want them to have isn’t valid. I don’t think anyone has a right to lobby WalMart to stop selling Narnia or to stop selling the Golden Compass, except the most technical legal sense.

Kim
Kim
5 years ago

Sorry if this has already been mentioned – I haven’t read all the comments….

It was not that long ago that GTA games were censored in Australia. There were elements of the sexualised violence that was cut out in the Australian version, and people actually petitioned the govt to remove the censorship.

Censorship in Australia has a history of being draconian though, and people could fight against it on principle rather than a real desire to do/see whatever it was that was banned. Least I hope that’s what the point was – the bits that were censored added nothing at all to the game after all. Rockstar should just leave it out of their next game entirely, then everyone wins.

Personally, I really like Rockstar games, and despite them being problematic I’m going to keep playing them. But there are so many ways they could make them just as good, or even better and less problematic at the same time. That’s where the pressure should be – on the game makers. But how to do that when I’m not voting with my wallet, I’m not sure.

IMO, if Target wants to be family friendly, they are quite right not to sell GTA5. It really, really shouldn’t be sold to minors, and while it’s reasonable for a person working in a video game store to be carding people and refusing to sell things, it’s less reasonable to expect someone working a cash register at a place like Target to do it.