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8channers defend themselves against charges of transphobia with more transphobia

Panning for poop on 8chan
Panning for poop on 8chan

Yesterday, I noted some of the nasty transphobia that had shown up in a recent /gg/ thread on 8chan, undercutting somewhat the claims to respectability we’ve been hearing a lot of from GamerGaters recently. Well, 8channers noticed my post, and weren’t exactly pleased about it.

But their responses to my post, well, they didn’t exactly suggest that the transphobia I saw in the earlier thread was some sort of fluke.

Oh, sure, some of the commenters complained, as my critics often do, that I had “quote mined” the earlier thread.

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Sitting cheek by jowl next to these comments were comments of a rather different sort. Trigger Warning for threats, transphobia, homophobia, etc.

 

 

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So, yeah, there’s really no need to posit vast conspiracies sending paid shills to shitpost on 8chan when it’s pretty clear a sizeable portion of their userbase is happy to post crap like this for free.

And there’s no need to mine for quotes like these when there are so many of them just sitting right there on the surface.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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pallygirl
pallygirl
5 years ago

@Cthulhu’s Intern:

And the title of your paper must be: Unser Existenzkampf

GGers, their title should be corrected to: Unser Todeskampf

catmara
5 years ago

Kellie Gator:

The bathroom thing that this one person brings up is hilarious because it’s an argument commonly presented by far right politicians and gives the implications that trans women are rapists by default, even if there are pretty much no instances of transwomen ever causing much of a situation.

Yeah, that’s a total right-wing talking-point right there. These guys aren’t merry pranksters tipping both sides’ sacred cows for the lulz, they’re just the old same conservative, authoritarian, right-wing bullies that always come scuttling out when their rock is disturbed.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
5 years ago

Cthulu’s intern – just make a few bizarre memes featuring badly drawn stick figures and word ratatouille. Voila: critical thought!

Re: quote mining, these guys are such bottom-dwellers that they get the intellectual bends every time one of their horrible hadalpelagic ideas is dredged out from the abyss and hauled into the light of day. Their shitweaselry simply can’t survive in an oxygenated environment.

Jay Elmore
5 years ago

So what’s GG icon “Weev” been up to since he got out of jail, anyway?

http://pando.com/2014/11/21/troll-tales-catching-up-with-weev-in-beirut/

He says he’s encouraged by recent militia movements like that of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, but that they don’t have their priorities straight. He tells me that he views Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh as a hero, and explained his vision of sending tiny drones laden with high explosives to the personal residences of US federal government employees.

“We are close to having atomically precise engineering for asymmetric warfare. Cheap, 3D-printed drones. The tech is simple. The drones that the US uses for airstrikes are crap. Several generations behind. Pretty soon anyone who wants will be able to have something better.”

“Somehow we need to get the ‘soldier types’ connected with the people who have the ideas about who should be targeted and how,” he says. “It’s about the ideological preparation of a segment of the population.”

Oh, that wacky troll! What a scamp, I…wait, what!?

Falconer
5 years ago

I’ve been struck by how “just a few bad apples” has become the go to argument for every asshole on the internet. People seem to have forgotten the phrase is “just a few bad apples spoil the bunch.”

George W. Bush literally excused the Abu Ghraib torture scandal by claiming it was the fault of “a few bad apples.” I think some people have decided that means the phrase is ironclad.

Pocket Nerd
5 years ago

“But but but you can’t PROVE that every single vicious, spiteful, transphobic post in the entire thread wasn’t the product of SJW SHILLS getting paid to make us channers look bad!”

Pocket Nerd
5 years ago

Thus Spake ZaraBogdan Cvetkovic:

I never got 4chan and 8chan’s obsession with anime. They seem to especially enjoy using lolicons in their pictures and avatars. It’s really creepy.

Speaking as somebody who likes anime and manga… there are some waifish characters whom one could, theoretically, use as an icon for non-creepy reasons. Some of them are powerful, capable, and just plain likeable. (I recommend just about anything by Miyazaki Hayao — he likes making movies about girls and young women, but they aren’t sexualized or damseled.)

But I suspect, for a lot of the angry dudebros of 4chan, the reasons are darker. Manga and anime have a lot of characters who are superficially cute, but also yielding and obedient to male figures. They’re “empowered,” but only in ways guaranteed not to threaten male privilege, and many of them are explicitly depicted as under the benign control of some male or other. This certainly isn’t an indictment of all anime and manga, but it’s definitely a recurring theme..

So if you think those eeevil Western Women are too pushy and emasculating… if you loathe the discussion and compromise required of a real relationship… if your ideal woman is a domestic servant you can have sex with… then a perky but obedient 2-D girl might be just the fetish for you!

beegees
beegees
5 years ago

Am I the only one who thinks of this whenever anyone invokes GamerGoober Poe?


But there’s nothing more sadistic than an infant
Waving his pistol in my face
He wants me right down on my knees
Crumbling in disgrace

But he underestimates my mind
I know he’s messing with my head

-Poe, “Trigger Happy Jack”

Ok, so the rest of the song doesn’t fit, no matter how much GamerGoober wishes otherwise. And I can’t stand Poe.

Mackey
Mackey
5 years ago

Deorihde,

What do you mean? I have known some with paranoid schizophrenic episodes. They can get quite scary when you think about what they will do upon others or themselves when they live up to their delusions (thankfully none I know did, and I was never a part of the delusions, so not scared for myself).

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
5 years ago

Puddleglum
Thanks

Catfish
Catfish
5 years ago

Phobia doesn’t only mean fear of something. Phobic also means “being disgusted by something”.

+ It’s not like root words always equate to exact translation regarding how the word is used.

M. the Social Justice Ranger
M. the Social Justice Ranger
5 years ago

@Mackey

Piss off.

bluecatbabe
bluecatbabe
5 years ago

Social Injustice Warriors arguing they’re not disgusting while doing disgusting stuff.

Mackey
Mackey
5 years ago

MtSJG,

I wanted to go and say “are you pissed”?

But I will change this to “it looks like that there are too many here that judge on too little evidence”, you included.

I did take your welcoming “Piss off.” to look over the conversation again. I did not understand deorihde’s comment yesterday, as I said. Today, I may understand where the comment is coming from, but the comment was short and cryptic. I was in no way intending to say that people should generally be afraid of schizophrenics because there may be some who have strong delusions and are not under treatment. Not at all.

Have I still misunderstood what people are trying to say (without being explicit)?

Please take your projections out on someone else (or even better on no one?).

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 years ago

But I will change this to “it looks like that there are too many here that judge on too little evidence”, you included.

go step on all the legos in the world, fool. this is not a “let’s bring in mad people to conversations that have nothing to do with mad people just to say nasty things about them” blog. the only person insisting on talking about schizophrenics is you. I realize that one of those 8channers brought it up first, but nobody except you felt a need to examine that comment in depth and to the detriment of schizophrenics. the rest of us understood that that was a horrible thing to say about both schizophrenics and about trans people and that no further commentary on its horribleness was needed.

Only you decided that it would be cool to turn that into a discussion about how scary schizophrenics are, and this is not a welcoming environment for a discussion about how scary schizophrenics are.

get a fucking clue and fuck off.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
5 years ago

Possible irony – it’s the fact that so many people are so unwilling to accept the boundary of “we don’t talk about people with mental illnesses in that way here” that finally convinced me of why that boundary needed to exist. I used to be one of those people saying “X is crazy!”, but not any more, and this shit is big part of the reason why.

kittehserf
5 years ago

Mackey. This is me wearing my moderator had and quoting from the site comments policy (which is right up there at the top of the page):

If a bunch of commenters tell you a word is inappropriate, drop it from your vocabulary here and move on. Don’t argue about it, or explain that in your country it’s perfectly acceptable. I don’t care.

So DROP IT.

Mackey
Mackey
5 years ago

Kittehsurf,

Which word? And who told me to drop it?

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
5 years ago

What do you mean? I have known some with paranoid schizophrenic episodes. They can get quite scary when you think about what they will do upon others or themselves when they live up to their delusions (thankfully none I know did, and I was never a part of the delusions, so not scared for myself).

So let me get this straight. You were very frightened but not for yourself, of course, about what a person might do if they did what you though they might do which they didn’t but they could have so you know all about it and we shouldn’t object to your specious bullshit?
Is that about right?.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
5 years ago

Boundaries, dude. If you refuse to respect this one it tells us nothing at all about schizophrenic people and a whole lot about you.

Mackey
Mackey
5 years ago

“Boundaries, dude. If you refuse to respect this one it tells us nothing at all about schizophrenic people and a whole lot about you.”

I think it is all down to misinterpretation. Two postst where I try to explain that are in moderation. Otherwise there are more and more people piling up.

“f you refuse to respect this one” Which one exactly?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
5 years ago

Nope, not playing this game with you. Bye, dude.

Mackey
Mackey
5 years ago

Everybody, is it possible to have a reading of my first post on this thread which means I do not have to defend myself against always more people? Only joking here 😉

Mackey
Mackey
5 years ago

What happened to comments under moderation?

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
5 years ago

Everybody, is it possible to have a reading of my first post on this thread which means I do not have to defend myself against always more people?

Nope.

Mainly because this is not the space to unload exactly how or how not scared you are of people with mental illnesses, any more than it would be for how scared or not scared you are of particular racial groups.

And now you’re just being fauxlite (is that a thing? I kinda want that to be a thing) and JAQing off; which again, this is not the space for.

Mackey
Mackey
5 years ago

Lighthearted comment -> everybody chases you off

Please people reconsider.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
5 years ago

People who refuse to take no for an answer do not fare well here, Mackey.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
5 years ago

Everything about you says JAQing off troll.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
5 years ago

I see a little silhouetto of a man

Puddleglum
5 years ago

Everything about you says JAQing off troll.

Especially the bit where zie KEEPS TALKING ABOUT IT. Instead of apologizing and moving on.

Puddleglum
5 years ago

scaramouche

grumpyoldnurse
5 years ago

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Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 years ago

Lighthearted comment -> everybody chases you off

You think that spreading damaging stereotypes about people with mental illnesses is “lighthearted”?

wow. Just wow.

Please people reconsider.

Yes, everything you say makes me reconsider, and think even less of you.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
5 years ago

He will not let me go

contrapangloss
5 years ago

scaramouche, will you do the fandango?

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
5 years ago

Beelzebub has a sumpin sumpin for meeeee

grumpyoldnurse
5 years ago

Thunderbolts and lightening, very very frightening me

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Mackey
Mackey
5 years ago

Still wondering where the comments under moderation are…

Wild thing.(bewildermess) : I take no for an answer!

Stop making something I am not!

Look at the amount of shit I am getting here for no good reason. Reread the thread (hopefully with the moderated post) as it is,

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
5 years ago

I am just a poor boy, nobody loves me.

contrapangloss
5 years ago

Mama mia, Mama Mia, MAMA MIA LET ME GO!

Oh, and 3

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 years ago

Hey everyone, I have this really sexist and racist comment to make, and it’s super-funny, and I don’t at all deserve to catch any shit for telling it because it’s just a lighthearted thing. Lighthearted = get out of all criticism free card. I learned this from Mackey so it must be true.

grumpyoldnurse
5 years ago

He is just a poor boy from a poor family

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cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
5 years ago

We will not let you go

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grumpyoldnurse
5 years ago

D’oh!

Nothing really matters

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Puddleglum
5 years ago

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Mackey
Mackey
5 years ago

Is there anyone who wants some kind of discussion?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
5 years ago

I want to ride my bicycle

kittehserf
5 years ago

How many times do you have to be told the shit you were spouting isn’t up for discussion?

This isn’t a debate blog. It’s for mocking misogyny.

Now PISS OFF.

kittehserf
5 years ago

I want to play pirates with Mr K.

Puddleglum
5 years ago

I want to ride it where I like