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Vox Day: Actually, it's about keeping women out of gaming

Vox Day: Defending video gaming against icky girls
Vox Day: Defending video gaming against icky girls

Leave it to Vox Day, the proudly reactionary sci-fi author and game developer, to say what most of his #GamerGate comrades spend so much energy denying: that their little movement is at least in part a backlash against women in gaming. At least against real women, with their own opinions.

As Vox writes in a post on his Alpha Game blog,

Games have long been an escape from women and social pressure for many young men, so it should surprise no one that they aren’t particularly keen on seeing their retreat invaded by the very things from which they are escaping.

So why exactly do guys want an escape from women? Well, as Vox once explained in an interview with “Dr. Helen” for her book Men On Stike,

Women can be entertaining, but they’re expensive, inaccessible for most men, and from the male perspective, shockingly unreliable.

What makes it worse, Vox suggests on his blog, is that the kind of guys who play a lot of video games aren’t exactly the guys scoring the top quality women.

When people ask a gamma or an omega if he wouldn’t rather be out and about “with a real girl” instead of playing games, they should first keep in mind what sort of “real girl” is probably on offer for him. And considering the alternatives, who can truly blame him if he looks at his choices and decides that games and porn are genuinely the better option.

Huh. Aren’t you a game developer, Vox? I thought the first rule of GamerGate is that journalists and developers shouldn’t insult their customers.

But GamerGaters were quick to pardon Mytheos Holt for calling them all a bunch of dateless losers, and I suspect they’ll do the same with Vox, because no matter how pathetic he thinks most gamers are, it’s clear he thinks women are worse.

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Another Holocene Human
Another Holocene Human
10 years ago

From the quote on Mike’s link Pox was claiming that genetic science has recently provided evidence that African people (not sure if he thinks the same of Asians) are less human than European people. Wut? I’ve only read a few books about genetics and have no formal education in the subject other than the basics so I can’ claim expertise but, seriously. What? I have never seen any science that supports this at all. What is he even talking about?

It means “I’m a bigoted asshole”. What does less or more human mean? Such terms would be a human construction, right? Human as a species, homo sapiens, is defined by “can you mate and create viable offspring” those are the lines and there are no hominids on Earth today outside of those lines.

Going back to what science knows, not only are there multiple lines of archeological/anthropological evidence that the human race originated in Africa, but Africa is also the human locus of diversity. Humans in Africa and/or of recent African origin are more genetically diverse than human groups outside of Africa. This is due to stuff like population bottlenecks but racists today have erased all of their previous dumb theories and re-‘splained this biological fact to mean that the mutations that occurred in the diaspora are some sort of proof of genetic superiority, whatever in the world that would mean. Adaptations to environments, etc, to diseases, etc, do not make a creature better or worse. Again, that is a human construct.

Racists are idiots, their blatherings are not science, and the way they are always several decades behind the science trying to reinterpret it to mean that they’re awesome just for being born to the right parents would be comical if they weren’t bent on hurting so many people.

Another Holocene Human
Another Holocene Human
10 years ago

@Orion, I’m with you on the funding deal, and don’t forget there are VC firms and even … states (see Rhode Island … oops) funding so-called AAA games, just the same way movies are funded, and of course not all of these turn a profit so it would be unfair to credit customers with the funding of games that bombed and lost money for everyone.

What we need is some journalism on this topic … you know, that thing, like “ethics”, that doesn’t mean what GG-ers think it means.

That said, iPad, iPhone, and Android games are making a LOT of money and more than that, a LOT of profit … of course as more companies pile into that space the risk will increase, just as it did with AAA games. (Those were always risky, though, because it can take years to finish a project and some other company might have made an advance that makes your game seem out of date by the time it’s released.) Maybe it’s more like TV and movies … TV didn’t kill movies, but it changed the economics of movies a LOT.

Another Holocene Human
Another Holocene Human
10 years ago

@ Buttercup

They’ve really shot themselves in the foot by retreating into a doubled-down version of the He-Man Woman-Haters Club, haven’t they? Anything that smacks of self-improvement or decent human behavior gets rejected as part of the feminazi PC conspiracy. Politeness, love, relationships, tolerance, equality, courtesy, critical thinking – those are all for “lesser” beings,

They view relationships as a competition, whoever gets the most out of it for the least effort “wins”.

Run away, run away…

Puddleglum
10 years ago

Like a petulant child who gets told I can’t have candy, I WILL EAT ALL THE CANDY IN UTTER DEFIANCE.

Exactly, lol. Though now I’m hungry.

Another Holocene Human
Another Holocene Human
10 years ago

@altofronto

They play games to escape any kind of reality in which women, LGBTQ, or PoC folk exist and are represented as fully-rounded characters, because their favourite escapist fantasy involves being a big ole white macho-man.

They exploded over games having different player OPTIONS, options they could easily scroll past. So it has little to do with games or gameplay in the end. This is about women having an opinion. This is about burning the witch. Google “Operation Lollipop”. This was the #GG test run. A racist, sexist agenda. It wasn’t even MRAs who started this mess although they jumped on the bandwagon. It was some straight up determined racist f*cks who were trying to come up with new ways to troll Black people on social media. Trolling and tormenting people IS the point. That’s the game here. Not a single person shooter with hot grafix.

Beelzeboogie
Beelzeboogie
10 years ago

Er, yeah dude, pretty sure that women aren’t inaccessible to MOST men. Sure, a few guys may make the conscious choice not to pursue romantic relationships on a temporary or permenant basis and sure, a few guys may have long dry spells, but even the most stereotypical nerds, those cut from the same mold as myself, generally manage to A) Get laid at least a few partners and B) Manage and maintain actual physical relationships.

Some of us neckbeards actually get together with hot girls Vox, wrap your head around that one.

libarbarian
libarbarian
10 years ago

Fedoras actually twist your brain waves and make you sexist. Unless you wear tinfoil beneath them. Then you are safe

AltoFronto
AltoFronto
10 years ago

@ Orion – I don’t think the GG-ers even consider it in that much depth, they just want their consumer demographic money to dictate how the market is supplied. I’d just like to assert myself as being a fellow consumer, and having money exactly as green as theirs, while being part of the marginally larger demographic to boot.

@ Holocene – I don’t think it’s limited to player options, there have been freak-outs over gay NPCs flirting with their characters via dialogues. But I agree, a lot of it is just about “putting those uppity [slurs] back in their place” for daring to express themselves or even assert their existence via the medium of video games. As if it’s the result of some kind of direct pressure from activist groups that some NPCs might be rounded characters, and not game devs imitating life through their art and finally catching up with the times.

It’s all about defensiveness. Defending the “L337 gamer” identity from “casual gamers”. Defending their egos from anything that doesn’t put them front and centre as the protagonist. Defending their favourite games from criticism. Defending their regressive opinions and tropes of women, PoC and the LGBTQ community. Defending their positions as most chased-after consumer. Defending their privilege to not be forced to accept or think about the existence of people who are not like them……
Ultimately, it’s all so shallow.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
10 years ago

Fedoras actually twist your brain waves and make you sexist. Unless you wear tinfoil beneath them. Then you are safe

aw, it’s trying to pretend it isn’t a troll. innit cute?*

*no. it’s not

Another Holocene Human
Another Holocene Human
10 years ago

@Boogerghost

So many of these Gaters seem to be under the impression that all the people who have always been feminists are suddenly becoming gamers, when really a bunch of people who have always been gamers are gradually becoming feminists.

Nice. Nailed it.

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
10 years ago
Another Holocene Human
Another Holocene Human
10 years ago

As if it’s the result of some kind of direct pressure from activist groups that some NPCs might be rounded characters, and not game devs imitating life through their art and finally catching up with the times.

Sarkeesian talks about this. But isn’t it interesting that they threw a rage-meltdown prior to her even raising the money for the first webisode? Before. Not in response to.

I’m not a gamer by any means. I am a nerd, but I played sports year round and my mother was really negative on computer games (and also on me staying over at friends’ houses–when I had friends) so by the time I got any access I found that I really sucked and found sucking at something pointless kinda … pointless. My most shameful nerd self-expression would probably be erotic fanfic, posted under another nym, obvs. Writing and posting it was rewarding … playing videogames wasn’t.

But I’ve been reading and listening to what everyone has been saying and what I hear from female–born female–gamers (I don’t mean to be transphobic–actually I am trans–just pointing out that it’s a different life experience) is that while the female NPCs in certain games are a nuisance, they really take back seat to really simple basic things like being able to play as a female protagonist (or a protagonist of color, or both). And also, being able to play multi-user games without having people you don’t know pile on IRC-level nasty when they hear a female voice.

And frankly now, just being able to be in the industry for women seems to be a major challenge, never mind the content of the games being created.

I see a lot of parallels between gamergate and what happened to Rebecca Watson. Because Watson was tolerated — not embraced, tolerated — as long as they thought she was a chill girl of Atheism (the movement, the one with conferences and self-important thought leaders). There was already negativity about Skepchick (the blog) and about having women speakers other than a few superannuated old guard folks like Dr. Harriet Hall (who has positioned herself as the chill matron when it was time to make a choice) and Eugenie Scott (who is not really part of the atheist movement per se but is a hero to a lot of atheists for fighting–successful–against creationism and Intelligent Design in public schools) who had “earned” a place at the table (and didn’t make the bro’s uncomfortable in uncomfortable places). (No doubt O’Hair would have been among them but she was murdered by a con-man in a really twisted, bizarre case.)

But once Rebecca broke the unspoken truce, by criticizing an “awkward guy”‘s behavior, by suggesting that one of the tribe–the “Brights”–could have made her uncomfortable when everybody knows the bad guys are all religious, right?–it was on. And I mean ON. It was nasty. Relentless. Women who supported Watson like Surly Amy got death threats. Personal lives and careers were assailed. Big wig douchebags showed out. Dawkins played Adam Baldwin except AB has always been a bit of a joke whereas Dawkins despite the “Brights” silliness still was basking in a lot of respect which he has proceeded to blow big time.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
10 years ago

fruitloopsie wins!

Another Holocene Human
Another Holocene Human
10 years ago

Sailor Moon–love it! Truth, justice, and the American–what’s that you say? Ai to seigi means Love and Justice? What’s that? You say she’s Japanese? Oh. Ohhh.

You know what was the cutest thing ever? Chibiusa (Rini) saying I will punish you in baby talk: o shi o ki you

MRAs who neg young girls and mock their pure hearts, I cannot forgive you! Or your ridiculous hats! Yurusenai!

/yes I am loving Sailor Moon R on Hulu, why do you ask?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

But I’ve been reading and listening to what everyone has been saying and what I hear from female–born female–gamers (I don’t mean to be transphobic–actually I am trans–just pointing out that it’s a different life experience) is that while the female NPCs in certain games are a nuisance, they really take back seat to really simple basic things like being able to play as a female protagonist (or a protagonist of color, or both). And also, being able to play multi-user games without having people you don’t know pile on IRC-level nasty when they hear a female voice.

I think it’s all of those things together, honestly. The eye candy characters would be more tolerable if there were also female characters that were, you know, actual characters with personalities and a purpose other than being wank fodder, and when you pile on the hostility that anyone who sounds female seems to automatically get the “this is not for you” message comes across loud and clear. If it was just one of those things then people wouldn’t be so pissed off, it’s the accumulation of micro-aggressions combined with the lack of representation that reads as “you are not welcome here”.

grumpyoldnurse
10 years ago

Well played, fruitloopsie!

Another Holocene Human
Another Holocene Human
10 years ago

Some of us neckbeards actually get together with hot girls Vox, wrap your head around that one.

Pretty sure Theo, who is a garden variety religious conservative as well as an open sexist/racist wingnut is getting all the sex in his life that he wants and instead is talking to an audience of marks, just like Elam, Heartiste, and all the rest. “Unhappy with your life? Let me validate your unhappiness with pure unvarnished bullshit and then sell you rage.” In Theo’s case he makes his living, last I checked, selling milporn, not blogging, so his motivation is to garner a flying monkey army to fight back against the evil kool kids* in the sci-fi/fantasy world who are trying to “silence” him. He just wants attention and revenge.

Kinda like Eron Gjoni, who found out too late that bad attention is not better than no attention at all. Since Theo is apparently competent at his version of hackery it’s quite possible that so far all of his attention whoring has been profitable–who knows? Notoriety has only bitten OSC in the butt very late in the game. His (shitty) movie even made it to theaters. So … there.

*such as Scalzi, not to mention every woman of color writing sci-fi in the English language ever, oh also anybody who read sci-fi by POC and pronounced it “good”–they must be stopped. now.

Another Holocene Human
Another Holocene Human
10 years ago

The best way to troll Beale would be to rename the Hugo and the Nebula after Octavia Butler and Samuel Delaney. His hed wud asplode.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

The Octavia Butler Awards would make me so happy, do so much good for the field overall, and piss off the Vox types so much. How do we make this happen?

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
10 years ago

Some of us neckbeards actually get together with hot girls Vox, wrap your head around that one.

I would have liked this sentence so much better if you’d left out “hot”.

cubist
10 years ago

Unfortunately, you can buy women, if you ‘shop’ in the right ‘stores’. Human trafficking, aka “slavery”, is a very real thing.

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
10 years ago
pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

Late to the party but I nth everything said about the Sailor Moon cartoon. Nice one fruitloopsie. 🙂

Another Holocene Human
Another Holocene Human
10 years ago

@Buttercup

Nerd girls are hot? Intelligence is hot?

Hot is only problematic when you make it that way, because attraction is a very personal thing. Now when corporations and marketing firms and horrid bottom feeder magazines get involved, look out.

Puddleglum
10 years ago

Hot is only problematic when you make it that way

No, actually, there’s an accepted mainstream definition of ‘hot’, so unless you specifically say ‘hot to me’, it’s going to mean we think you’re using conventional media standards.