Leave it to Vox Day, the proudly reactionary sci-fi author and game developer, to say what most of his #GamerGate comrades spend so much energy denying: that their little movement is at least in part a backlash against women in gaming. At least against real women, with their own opinions.
As Vox writes in a post on his Alpha Game blog,
Games have long been an escape from women and social pressure for many young men, so it should surprise no one that they aren’t particularly keen on seeing their retreat invaded by the very things from which they are escaping.
So why exactly do guys want an escape from women? Well, as Vox once explained in an interview with “Dr. Helen” for her book Men On Stike,
Women can be entertaining, but they’re expensive, inaccessible for most men, and from the male perspective, shockingly unreliable.
What makes it worse, Vox suggests on his blog, is that the kind of guys who play a lot of video games aren’t exactly the guys scoring the top quality women.
When people ask a gamma or an omega if he wouldn’t rather be out and about “with a real girl” instead of playing games, they should first keep in mind what sort of “real girl” is probably on offer for him. And considering the alternatives, who can truly blame him if he looks at his choices and decides that games and porn are genuinely the better option.
Huh. Aren’t you a game developer, Vox? I thought the first rule of GamerGate is that journalists and developers shouldn’t insult their customers.
But GamerGaters were quick to pardon Mytheos Holt for calling them all a bunch of dateless losers, and I suspect they’ll do the same with Vox, because no matter how pathetic he thinks most gamers are, it’s clear he thinks women are worse.
don’t you have important bridge-lurking to do?
The OP reminds me of this ex I had who always talked our hypothetical shared home and how it would need a “man cave” (never mind I had no intention of living with him anyway).
“Yeah,” I would always say to him. “I know how you feel. I don’t think I could live with anyone without my own room to retreat to.”
He always looked so confused. Like, his expression was all, “You’d need your own space? From what?”
Does diner dash count as gaming?
Am I wrong for getting the impression that guys like Vox, who bemoan about how awful women are; the neckbeard type that whine about how hard it is for them to get a date; and the MGTOWs who constantly chant “alpha fucks beta bucks”, are that way because they had a small amount of interaction with women that went awry and are now sulking eternally? Like, they got rejected by the homecoming queen once, or went on a few dates with a couple of girls but neither put out, or their marriage/LTR failed and of course it can’t be THEIR fault in any way!
(Seriously doods, divorce is not fun and your ex did not make the decision lightly. She married you for a reason and she divorced you for a reason, one that is entirely related to you and your actions. Or she simply fell out of love with you because the connection and passion fizzled out. Which happens).
From the quote on Mike’s link Pox was claiming that genetic science has recently provided evidence that African people (not sure if he thinks the same of Asians) are less human than European people. Wut? I’ve only read a few books about genetics and have no formal education in the subject other than the basics so I can’ claim expertise but, seriously. What? I have never seen any science that supports this at all. What is he even talking about?
My guess is that it’s a reference to the “Mitochondrial Eve.” The evidence that the mitochondrial DNA haplogroups in sub-Saharan Africa are the oldest and the mitochondrial DNA haplogroups in northern Europe are the newest. But that solely refers to mutations in the parts of the mitochondrial DNA that aren’t essential to our functioning. It’s only useful in tracking how groups of humans radiated out from Africa and covered the world or checking your matrilineal ancestry. It doesn’t effect looks, intelligence or personality. It certainly doesn’t mean those with older mitochondrial DNA are less human or less advanced. No geneticists are making that claim to my knowledge.
I know I shouldn’t expect someone as bigoted as Pox Bray to make any kind of sense but for some reason I’m really curious about the basis of this ridiculous claim.
IIRC, it had something to do with Europeans having more Neanderthal DNA than Africans, meaning Africans are actually “more human”. This still somehow made them inferior, but I don’t remember why and there’s no way I’m going back there to find out.
There’s probably truth to that. They’re so self centered they don’t realize that pretty much everyone has been rejected/dumped at some point. It’s just that most of us move on and don’t blame an entire gender for the actions of one person.
They’re also so privileged that the worst oppression they can imagine is not getting fucked by a “10.”
The entitlement, bitterness and solipsism all form a toxic stew that coalesces into a red piller or a MGTOW mindset.
So obviously written by a non-gamer. Does he realize how much we spend on our habit? I have friends who’ve spent thousands of dollars on creating the perfect gaming computer. And that doesn’t even count the price of all the games.
@Tina S
It does if you think it does! 😀
I know a dude. Quite overweight. Odd habits, small behavioral tics. Literally has a literal neckbeard. Brony. Loves fantasy, has expensive DnD figures all over the place. Also (though this isn’t widely known, I don’t think) is actually a furry.
Every woman I know who also knows him thinks he’s completely the bee’s knees. Because he’s nice and good-hearted and is interested in what they say and shares his interests with them in a way that isn’t overbearing.
This shit ain’t that hard, Vox.
Interesting that my 12 year old son actually prefers girls who play video games. And he respects the female mods on the servers he plays on. Poor confused guy. And he loves it when I play with him. I gotta set him straight: video games are only for angry, bitter, female phobic men.
<blockquotethey should first keep in mind what sort of “real girl” is probably on offer for him.
Wow. But then women are “things”, apparently.
Ted: I can add to that. I’ve got a friend who is 30, in a wheelchair, slight lazy eye, loves superhero comics and video games. He is also honest as hell, considerate, positive, and everyone thinks he is really really cool. Women and myself included.
Despite this he hasn’t had a girlfriend in ever. But here’s the thing – he is not bitter. A little frustrated, understandably, but he has not reduced women in his mind to sexual objects that are out to oppress men like him. He still has wholesome respect for the opposite sex. He does not blame women for his singleness or sulk. He understands that women are not interchangeable or a monolith, that one or even several does not equal all.
He does not hate anything with a vagina for of the rejection of a few women because he has mastered true logic, Vox. Not that hard to do.
Oh, quick unrelated kitty question. Although they’re not my cats per se, I caught one of them bringing in a dead mouse and preceding to eat it on the hallway carpet. He was growling and crouching over it so I was hesitant to intervene. I let him eat it although it did leave a couple spots of blood on the carpet and i had to clean up what he’d left behind.
What should I do if the cat does something like that again? Take the mouse back outside for it to eat there? Or am I at risk of getting scratched/bitten? Just let him chow down and clear up afterwards? (I don’t want to do that repeatedly :/ ).
Lol to the guy who thinks women are so dead set against VR sex and won’t be looking forward to having sex the way they want it without being nagged, coerced or forced into having the kind of sex they don’t.
Keep tellin’ yourself that, buddy.
Oh my God, it finally happened! They finally admitted that, just as they claim women could get sex with a man whenever they wanted it, men could have sex whenever they wanted if they were literally willing to have sex with any woman, regardless of how attracted they were to her or how much they actually liked her.
And they’ve also admitted that, as pissed off at they are that 80% of women are having sex with 20% of men (according to their bullshit math), they think that 80% of men should be having sex with 20% of women because “HB9s” and “HB10s” are the only women who are worth anything to them.
VD should be more careful not to show his cards.
Also, tealily, I doubt that these guys would really be into VR sex unless the VR program lets them feel like they violating the program’s boundaries and “conquering” it in spite of its “LMR.”
Because, to Beale and his ilk, “inferior” is defined as “whatever non-Europeans are”, so any difference at all is proof of European superiority. See: haplogroups.
@alaisvex I don’t doubt it at all.
Sunnysombrera – water pistols are your friend
Unhousetrained Troll – look out! there’s a goat behind you
Theodore Beale – Go back to Mrs Palm and her 5 daughters.
If it did, we’d expect those groups from newer haplogroups to achieve a global dominant position much, much earlier instead of doing jack shit until the modern age.
I’m not sure I’ll ever get the way these guys’ self-esteem depends on gender essentialism. “Men don’t REALLY like things like video games, they just like the things Men Should Like. But they pretend to like video games when they can’t get the real stuff.”
I guess it’s just a power orientation rather than a happiness orientation. “Getting hot women means a man is powerful and respected, and that’s all that matters!” But then what’s the point of power?
I’m pretty sure that if women were just willing to be completely silent and invisible while playing single-player games (or being completely passive in the face of harrassment they get when playing multiplayer), these guys wouldn’t have much of an issue with it.
The problem in their minds is women wanting to play these games and actually having things like “representation” and “respect for women” in them. Women need to be accept that only white heterocis males are actually human and that they should be grateful for whatever crumbs might be left over, and that the real gamers graciously allow them to play if they shut up and never pretend to be ‘real gamers’.
That’s the deal with these guys, really. They don’t want things to be fair, they want them to be unfair in their favor. It’s why they think that feminism is out to oppress/destroy men, because they think that everyone is like them and wants to force anyone different into subjugated roles.
Oh for cornholio’s sake. Women are not Lamborghinis. We’re also not “inaccessible for most men”, unless said man is an asshamper.
So lets do some math. If we assume that these assholes view only really hot, thin, young, socially active, and fairly stylistically mainstream (no tats or funny-colored hair) women are worth doing anything with… that is what, maybe 5, 10% of the total female population? It isn’t even a majority of young women. And then they complain that only around 20% of guys are getting any luck… which these women.
Yeah, I think I see the problem.