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Vox Day: Actually, it's about keeping women out of gaming

Vox Day: Defending video gaming against icky girls
Vox Day: Defending video gaming against icky girls

Leave it to Vox Day, the proudly reactionary sci-fi author and game developer, to say what most of his #GamerGate comrades spend so much energy denying: that their little movement is at least in part a backlash against women in gaming. At least against real women, with their own opinions.

As Vox writes in a post on his Alpha Game blog,

Games have long been an escape from women and social pressure for many young men, so it should surprise no one that they aren’t particularly keen on seeing their retreat invaded by the very things from which they are escaping.

So why exactly do guys want an escape from women? Well, as Vox once explained in an interview with “Dr. Helen” for her book Men On Stike,

Women can be entertaining, but they’re expensive, inaccessible for most men, and from the male perspective, shockingly unreliable.

What makes it worse, Vox suggests on his blog, is that the kind of guys who play a lot of video games aren’t exactly the guys scoring the top quality women.

When people ask a gamma or an omega if he wouldn’t rather be out and about “with a real girl” instead of playing games, they should first keep in mind what sort of “real girl” is probably on offer for him. And considering the alternatives, who can truly blame him if he looks at his choices and decides that games and porn are genuinely the better option.

Huh. Aren’t you a game developer, Vox? I thought the first rule of GamerGate is that journalists and developers shouldn’t insult their customers.

But GamerGaters were quick to pardon Mytheos Holt for calling them all a bunch of dateless losers, and I suspect they’ll do the same with Vox, because no matter how pathetic he thinks most gamers are, it’s clear he thinks women are worse.

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Nate
Nate
6 years ago

Ugh. Vox Day. He’s a toxic little mite. I got in a blogwar with him many years ago

Bill Bicknell (@BillAtTheEnd)

“shockingly unreliable”

well my monitor is covered with coffee now.

If only we had thought to upgrade to the latest, more stable build of Women!

Nate
Nate
6 years ago

And here’s a picture of him with a flaming sword: http://www.edenstarbooks.com/author/theo_beale_040218.htm

tomtom94speaks
6 years ago

Okay I know what a beta is but what on earth is a gamma or an omega?!

Harry Thornton
6 years ago

Translation of what he’s saying: “Ewwww, we don’t want girly-girl cooties in our boy’s club!”

aghostfart
6 years ago

Funny, how I retreat to gaming to escape men.

lacerta viridis
lacerta viridis
6 years ago

I don’t know why I’m still surprised every time when I realise that these guys really, really don’t think of women as human beings, but I am. It’s just so… weird.

Games have long been an escape from women and social pressure for many young men

No woman in the history of the universe has ever felt the need to escape from anything, of course.

Ira Shantz-Kreutzkamp
Ira Shantz-Kreutzkamp
6 years ago

tomtom94speaks, those are the third and last letters in the Greek alphabet, and in the excessively reductionist and simplistic model of species hierarchy that uses “alphas” for the toppers and “betas” for the second best, gamma means the real mediocrities and omega the lowest of the lowly.

Basically calling people racial inferiors.

GOBACK (@JoeKlemmer)
6 years ago

Expensive, inaccessible and shockingly unreliable? What, women are made by Microsoft?

If women are from Venus and men from Mars, these guys are from Uranus.

Kim
Kim
6 years ago

Does he not realise single player games exist? Is he confused and thinks gamergate is about tabletop games like D&D and Warhammer which need other people to play? Or is it just too threatening to him that a woman might be playing a game by herself in the privacy of her own home. Like, he wouldn’t even know, but the thought haunts him, because he is so cripplingly insecure?

Have you noticed though that this kind of rightwing chucklehead likes to talk about the motivations of groups of people as if they are all complete idiots, meanwhile making sure it’s obvious they don’t mean they are part of that group. But they still want to be considered an expert on what the group thinks.

M. the Social Justice Ranger
M. the Social Justice Ranger
6 years ago

Games have long been an escape from women and social pressure for many young men, so it should surprise no one that they aren’t particularly keen on seeing their retreat invaded by the very things from which they are escaping.

I’ve been gaming for longer than 90% of #GamerGate has been alive. Some of the other women here have been gaming for even longer. So, y’know, myth busted and all that.

Doug
Doug
6 years ago

Uh oh! The jig is up! One of the commenters caught on to what gamer gate is *really* about: “Frankly I’m quite disappointed at just how few of you, throughout this whole GG thing, have been able to work out for yourselves that feminists (obviously) want to control video games in order to keep them from being used as a platform for VR sex.”

Kim
Kim
6 years ago

I thought it was alphas are the ones women want, betas are the ones they settle for, gammas are the ones they won’t even look at and omegas have opted out of the game entirely.

M. the Social Justice Ranger
M. the Social Justice Ranger
6 years ago

@Kim

As a #Gater, he probably doesn’t consider anything other than Call Of Battlefield Honour to be a “Real” game.

Mike
Mike
6 years ago

@ lacerta viridis: “I don’t know why I’m still surprised every time when I realise that these guys really, really don’t think of women as human beings, but I am. It’s just so… weird.”

Yeah, Vox Day doesn’t seem to think black people are actually human, either. The quote can be found here (it’s pretty vile):

http://bibliodaze.com/2014/04/vox-day-and-the-hugos-why-we-should-just-say-no/

Kim
Kim
6 years ago

I prefer to believe he thinks it’s all about online poker….

lacerta viridis
lacerta viridis
6 years ago

@Mike Wow, I… really should also not be surprised to learn that this asshole is also a huge racist, but that’s pretty disgusting. What the fuck.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Games have long been an escape from women and social pressure for many young men, so it should surprise no one that they aren’t particularly keen on seeing their retreat invaded by the very things from which they are escaping.

Funny, but this woman plays solitaire games to escape from assholes on the Internetwebpipes.

And I really don’t appreciate being lumped in with “things”, either. We’re PEOPLE, you idiotic nit!

And for the thousand millionth time, I gotta ask:

How is this guy even married? And have we established for sure that his purported wife even exists? And which game IS the “alpha” game, anyway? And how fucking ironic is it that a guy who’s preaching PUA games is now sticking up for the antisocials and asocials who inhabit the “gaming” world of No Cootie-Ridden Girls Allowed?

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Women can be entertaining, but they’re expensive, inaccessible for most men, and from the male perspective, shockingly unreliable.

Sexbots. How do you work them?

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

When people ask a gamma or an omega if he wouldn’t rather be out and about “with a real girl” instead of playing games, they should first keep in mind what sort of “real girl” is probably on offer for him. And considering the alternatives, who can truly blame him if he looks at his choices and decides that games and porn are genuinely the better option.

#ForeverAlone…because why should less-than-perfect women get any action at all?

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Uh oh! The jig is up! One of the commenters caught on to what gamer gate is *really* about: “Frankly I’m quite disappointed at just how few of you, throughout this whole GG thing, have been able to work out for yourselves that feminists (obviously) want to control video games in order to keep them from being used as a platform for VR sex.”

Shhh! Don’t anyone tell them that some feminists are already using vidyagamez for cybersex…and having fun at it! Good golly, they might even be VR-sexing one of these unsuspecting mooks as we speak…the horror! THE HORROR!!!

Vanir (@Vanir85)
6 years ago

And this guy is a sci-fi writer?
I shudder to think what kind of future he envisions as “positive” for the human specie.
Have a feeling I would prefer his Dystopias to his Utopias….

libarbarian
libarbarian
6 years ago

Theodore Beale is a closet mangina.

Jono
Jono
6 years ago

Huh? When I started reading this, I thought that the guy was going to come out against GamerGate but Vox Day sounds like he’s just as misogynistic as as the rest of them. Besides, if these gamebros are so butt hurt that they can’t get a date then it seems highly illogical that they don’t want women in gaming. Women are more likely to like men who share the same hobby with them, aren’t they? ; -)

grumpycatisagirl
6 years ago

seeing their retreat invaded by the very things from which they are escaping.

And yeah, he just called women things. Right there.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

Theodore Beale is a closet mangina.

don’t you have important bridge-lurking to do?

Shiraz
Shiraz
6 years ago

The OP reminds me of this ex I had who always talked our hypothetical shared home and how it would need a “man cave” (never mind I had no intention of living with him anyway).
“Yeah,” I would always say to him. “I know how you feel. I don’t think I could live with anyone without my own room to retreat to.”
He always looked so confused. Like, his expression was all, “You’d need your own space? From what?”

Tina S
Tina S
6 years ago

Does diner dash count as gaming?

sunnysombrera
6 years ago

Am I wrong for getting the impression that guys like Vox, who bemoan about how awful women are; the neckbeard type that whine about how hard it is for them to get a date; and the MGTOWs who constantly chant “alpha fucks beta bucks”, are that way because they had a small amount of interaction with women that went awry and are now sulking eternally? Like, they got rejected by the homecoming queen once, or went on a few dates with a couple of girls but neither put out, or their marriage/LTR failed and of course it can’t be THEIR fault in any way!

(Seriously doods, divorce is not fun and your ex did not make the decision lightly. She married you for a reason and she divorced you for a reason, one that is entirely related to you and your actions. Or she simply fell out of love with you because the connection and passion fizzled out. Which happens).

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

From the quote on Mike’s link Pox was claiming that genetic science has recently provided evidence that African people (not sure if he thinks the same of Asians) are less human than European people. Wut? I’ve only read a few books about genetics and have no formal education in the subject other than the basics so I can’ claim expertise but, seriously. What? I have never seen any science that supports this at all. What is he even talking about?

My guess is that it’s a reference to the “Mitochondrial Eve.” The evidence that the mitochondrial DNA haplogroups in sub-Saharan Africa are the oldest and the mitochondrial DNA haplogroups in northern Europe are the newest. But that solely refers to mutations in the parts of the mitochondrial DNA that aren’t essential to our functioning. It’s only useful in tracking how groups of humans radiated out from Africa and covered the world or checking your matrilineal ancestry. It doesn’t effect looks, intelligence or personality. It certainly doesn’t mean those with older mitochondrial DNA are less human or less advanced. No geneticists are making that claim to my knowledge.

I know I shouldn’t expect someone as bigoted as Pox Bray to make any kind of sense but for some reason I’m really curious about the basis of this ridiculous claim.

quantumscale
quantumscale
6 years ago

IIRC, it had something to do with Europeans having more Neanderthal DNA than Africans, meaning Africans are actually “more human”. This still somehow made them inferior, but I don’t remember why and there’s no way I’m going back there to find out.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Am I wrong for getting the impression that guys like Vox, who bemoan about how awful women are; the neckbeard type that whine about how hard it is for them to get a date; and the MGTOWs who constantly chant “alpha fucks beta bucks”, are that way because they had a small amount of interaction with women that went awry and are now sulking eternally? Like, they got rejected by the homecoming queen once, or went on a few dates with a couple of girls but neither put out, or their marriage/LTR failed and of course it can’t be THEIR fault in any way!

There’s probably truth to that. They’re so self centered they don’t realize that pretty much everyone has been rejected/dumped at some point. It’s just that most of us move on and don’t blame an entire gender for the actions of one person.

They’re also so privileged that the worst oppression they can imagine is not getting fucked by a “10.”

The entitlement, bitterness and solipsism all form a toxic stew that coalesces into a red piller or a MGTOW mindset.

Chie Satonaka
Chie Satonaka
6 years ago

Women can be entertaining, but they’re expensive, inaccessible for most men, and from the male perspective, shockingly unreliable.

So obviously written by a non-gamer. Does he realize how much we spend on our habit? I have friends who’ve spent thousands of dollars on creating the perfect gaming computer. And that doesn’t even count the price of all the games.

andiexist
andiexist
6 years ago

@Tina S

It does if you think it does! 😀

ted the fed
ted the fed
6 years ago

I know a dude. Quite overweight. Odd habits, small behavioral tics. Literally has a literal neckbeard. Brony. Loves fantasy, has expensive DnD figures all over the place. Also (though this isn’t widely known, I don’t think) is actually a furry.

Every woman I know who also knows him thinks he’s completely the bee’s knees. Because he’s nice and good-hearted and is interested in what they say and shares his interests with them in a way that isn’t overbearing.

This shit ain’t that hard, Vox.

philOsopheria
philOsopheria
6 years ago

Interesting that my 12 year old son actually prefers girls who play video games. And he respects the female mods on the servers he plays on. Poor confused guy. And he loves it when I play with him. I gotta set him straight: video games are only for angry, bitter, female phobic men.

Macha
Macha
6 years ago

<blockquotethey should first keep in mind what sort of “real girl” is probably on offer for him.

Wow. But then women are “things”, apparently.

sunnysombrera
6 years ago

Ted: I can add to that. I’ve got a friend who is 30, in a wheelchair, slight lazy eye, loves superhero comics and video games. He is also honest as hell, considerate, positive, and everyone thinks he is really really cool. Women and myself included.

Despite this he hasn’t had a girlfriend in ever. But here’s the thing – he is not bitter. A little frustrated, understandably, but he has not reduced women in his mind to sexual objects that are out to oppress men like him. He still has wholesome respect for the opposite sex. He does not blame women for his singleness or sulk. He understands that women are not interchangeable or a monolith, that one or even several does not equal all.

He does not hate anything with a vagina for of the rejection of a few women because he has mastered true logic, Vox. Not that hard to do.

sunnysombrera
6 years ago

Oh, quick unrelated kitty question. Although they’re not my cats per se, I caught one of them bringing in a dead mouse and preceding to eat it on the hallway carpet. He was growling and crouching over it so I was hesitant to intervene. I let him eat it although it did leave a couple spots of blood on the carpet and i had to clean up what he’d left behind.

What should I do if the cat does something like that again? Take the mouse back outside for it to eat there? Or am I at risk of getting scratched/bitten? Just let him chow down and clear up afterwards? (I don’t want to do that repeatedly :/ ).

tealily
tealily
6 years ago

Lol to the guy who thinks women are so dead set against VR sex and won’t be looking forward to having sex the way they want it without being nagged, coerced or forced into having the kind of sex they don’t.

Keep tellin’ yourself that, buddy.

alaisvex
alaisvex
6 years ago

When people ask a gamma or an omega if he wouldn’t rather be out and about “with a real girl” instead of playing games, they should first keep in mind what sort of “real girl” is probably on offer for him. And considering the alternatives, who can truly blame him if he looks at his choices and decides that games and porn are genuinely the better option.

Oh my God, it finally happened! They finally admitted that, just as they claim women could get sex with a man whenever they wanted it, men could have sex whenever they wanted if they were literally willing to have sex with any woman, regardless of how attracted they were to her or how much they actually liked her.

And they’ve also admitted that, as pissed off at they are that 80% of women are having sex with 20% of men (according to their bullshit math), they think that 80% of men should be having sex with 20% of women because “HB9s” and “HB10s” are the only women who are worth anything to them.

VD should be more careful not to show his cards.

alaisvex
alaisvex
6 years ago

Also, tealily, I doubt that these guys would really be into VR sex unless the VR program lets them feel like they violating the program’s boundaries and “conquering” it in spite of its “LMR.”

vaiyt
6 years ago

IIRC, it had something to do with Europeans having more Neanderthal DNA than Africans, meaning Africans are actually “more human”. This still somehow made them inferior,

Because, to Beale and his ilk, “inferior” is defined as “whatever non-Europeans are”, so any difference at all is proof of European superiority. See: haplogroups.

tealily
tealily
6 years ago

@alaisvex I don’t doubt it at all.

schwadevivre
6 years ago

Sunnysombrera – water pistols are your friend
Unhousetrained Troll – look out! there’s a goat behind you
Theodore Beale – Go back to Mrs Palm and her 5 daughters.

vaiyt
6 years ago

But that solely refers to mutations in the parts of the mitochondrial DNA that aren’t essential to our functioning. It’s only useful in tracking how groups of humans radiated out from Africa and covered the world or checking your matrilineal ancestry. It doesn’t effect looks, intelligence or personality.

If it did, we’d expect those groups from newer haplogroups to achieve a global dominant position much, much earlier instead of doing jack shit until the modern age.

ted the fed
ted the fed
6 years ago

I’m not sure I’ll ever get the way these guys’ self-esteem depends on gender essentialism. “Men don’t REALLY like things like video games, they just like the things Men Should Like. But they pretend to like video games when they can’t get the real stuff.”
I guess it’s just a power orientation rather than a happiness orientation. “Getting hot women means a man is powerful and respected, and that’s all that matters!” But then what’s the point of power?

Catalpa
Catalpa
6 years ago

Does he not realise single player games exist? Is he confused and thinks gamergate is about tabletop games like D&D and Warhammer which need other people to play? Or is it just too threatening to him that a woman might be playing a game by herself in the privacy of her own home.

I’m pretty sure that if women were just willing to be completely silent and invisible while playing single-player games (or being completely passive in the face of harrassment they get when playing multiplayer), these guys wouldn’t have much of an issue with it.

The problem in their minds is women wanting to play these games and actually having things like “representation” and “respect for women” in them. Women need to be accept that only white heterocis males are actually human and that they should be grateful for whatever crumbs might be left over, and that the real gamers graciously allow them to play if they shut up and never pretend to be ‘real gamers’.

And they’ve also admitted that, as pissed off at they are that 80% of women are having sex with 20% of men (according to their bullshit math), they think that 80% of men should be having sex with 20% of women because “HB9s” and “HB10s” are the only women who are worth anything to them.

That’s the deal with these guys, really. They don’t want things to be fair, they want them to be unfair in their favor. It’s why they think that feminism is out to oppress/destroy men, because they think that everyone is like them and wants to force anyone different into subjugated roles.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

Women can be entertaining, but they’re expensive, inaccessible for most men, and from the male perspective, shockingly unreliable.

Oh for cornholio’s sake. Women are not Lamborghinis. We’re also not “inaccessible for most men”, unless said man is an asshamper.

wordsp1nner
wordsp1nner
6 years ago

So lets do some math. If we assume that these assholes view only really hot, thin, young, socially active, and fairly stylistically mainstream (no tats or funny-colored hair) women are worth doing anything with… that is what, maybe 5, 10% of the total female population? It isn’t even a majority of young women. And then they complain that only around 20% of guys are getting any luck… which these women.

Yeah, I think I see the problem.

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