This somewhat alarming video was recently posted in Reddit’s GamerGhazi subreddit. It features Sarkeesian Effect co-creator Jordan Owen explaining, at some length, his disagreements with antiporn feminist Gail Dines over the book Fifty Shades of Grey. (Dines, you see, was Owen’s previous obsession, before he discovered Anita Sarkeesian; this video is a couple of years old.) Alas, the sound cuts out about halfway through the nearly hour-long video, so you won’t get to hear the whole thing.
You might also be slightly distracted by the fact that Owen delivers this lengthy critique while sitting naked in a bathtub.
I started skimming to see if he switches to clothes and HE’S GETTING OUT OF THE TUB. ABORT ABORT
@Dawn Incognito and kirbywarp
I was disturbed by what Gail said about the protagonist’s not liking it at first … no BDSM relationship should begin like that. If both people aren’t enjoying themselves at every moment, it isn’t consensual.
PS: Thanks for not thinking I’m a freaky weirdo.
PPS: The tub thing kind of threw me, too.
Here’s yet another critique of 50-shades:
http://historyofbdsm.com/category/curious-kinky-persons-guide-to-fifty-shades-of-grey/
I’m sure the fact that so many feminist-types have taken it upon themselves to criticise the book is some kind of Misandry against Jordan Owen or whatever the heck his problem is with that.
Was he naked just to make some kind of point against “prudishness” or something, or is it just that he has the a toddler’s level of sense for what’s socially appropriate?
Irene, I am also sorry about your kitty. Mine is in the latter stages of kidney disease so I know how hard it is. Please give him or her an extra snuggle.
Are there pauses in the video where he has to adjust the temperature of the water because the tub’s getting cold? Inquiring minds want to know but don’t actually want to watch a fifty-two minute video.
Thanks to Dawn Incognito and Lea
He’s a very young cat and I have no idea what brough this on. I feel like I’m losing my mind every time I think about it.
At least this nonsense helps to distract me if nothing else. I welcome the absurdity of a dudebro in his tub telling me all about his thoughts on porn.
@Irene
I hope your kitty gets better. I can’t imagine what you’re going through.
(holds tabby closer)
Alright, let’s do this.
*clicks play*
*watches 10 minutes*
*clicks pause*
There is nothing of value here. Neither the interview being analyzed nor the analyzer seem worth turning to in this discussion. Owen is basically sitting naked in a tub (why?), having no idea what the book is about, disagreeing simply for disagreement’s sake.
It’s not even so-bad-it’s-hilarious, becuase Owen appears to bring up some good general points about people who practice BDSM (well, basically just saying that they exist), but it’s shallow and exists only to “prove” Gail wrong.
Gotta say, I expected a 52-minute video of a naked dude in a tub (again, why?) talking about erotica to be much more interesting.
Maybe, similiar to Aurini with his standard whiskey and cigarette, Owen thinks waxing poetic from a bathtub is the mark of sophisticaton? Either way, I hope they keep it up, it’s incredibly amusing.
Jordan needs to learn from Marat: Spending all your time in a bathtub is never a good idea.
Kirbywarp: and yet whenever someone brings up the issue of male on female sexual abuse there is ALWAYS an idiot who goes “but 50 shades was a bestseller! Women fantasise about this stuff!”
Sorry, that was in response to this by kirby:
@sunnysombrera,
Because women are monolith. Because when they say women, they only mean “truly feminine women,” so the women who didn’t like 50 Shades aren’t really women. Because fantasizing about something doesn’t always translate into wanting it in real life. Or am I supposed to believe that the popularity of action movies means that men want live lives filled with danger where they nearly get killed and/or have to kill someone on a regular basis?
Okay, I can’t bring myself to click that link. I can admit freely that the bathroom is one of my go-to Thinking Spots, but one, the acoustics are horrible in there for recording any sort of good discussion, two, I’m surprised his lens doesn’t appear to be foggy, and three no one wants to see him naked.
Save the recording for after the bathtub thinking. Ew.
On the topic of 50SoG, I honesty tried to read Das Sporking’s version, and I had to stop at Chapter 16 of the first book. The Das Sporking crew are amazing, but there is nothing in this world that would keep me sane after that sanctioned* rape scene.
*Sanctioned as in the author put this in the book and portrayed it as “kinky love” rather than “Hideous, controlling rape/abuse”.
Or, really, because these assholes will reach for literally anything that provides even remotest possibility of justifying their shitty worldview.
POM & Kirby — thanks much for that Jenny Trout link. (Alternatively, confound you two for making me less productive at work. Your choice.)
@alaisvex:
I’ve heard some guys make that argument, yeah. I mean, they usually distill it to concepts about being metaphorical warriors and freedom fighters who have innate, masculine wildness — but yes. They even cite the popularity of action movies as “proof” that all men, deep down inside, want to be William Wallace (as portrayed by Mel Gibson, ofc).
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Irene, I am so, so sorry about your kitty. Mine is in kidney failure too, but she’s anything but young.
katz:
http://harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=15
Just adding I’m dying laughing here from all the comments. No way am I looking at that video. If I wanna look at a man in a bathtub, it’s not going to be that jackass. As for his claims about everyone being catered to in porn – I. Don’t. Think. So.
Snerk. They should remember what happened to him. Also that he did not get to have a fling with Isabelle of France, because she was in fact a child when all that happened.
The only Scots I talked to about that film said it was a great comedy.
Ummm… how is this guy employed anywhere?
So… does the popularity of horror movies mean all men secretly want to be Jason?
I clicked the link but scrolled down so I didn’t have to look at his nasty naked self.
OH MY GOD HE IS SO BORING. He has the most monotonic tone of voice I’ve ever heard. But I chuckled at this line:
“If by some miracle you’re not able to find [a personal sexual interest] that’s not out there [in porn form] then…ummmm…(pause as he considers saying “then I’m wrong” but can’t bring himself to utter those words)…then my simple response to you is to go out and start your own production company.”
Spoken like a true Gator.
“There is not enough tequila and whiskey in the world to make me click that Play button….”
I think there is enough to render me incapable of pressing play. And since that is still less drunk than I would need to be to have the desire to press play, I think I must wholeheartedly agree. I’m keeping the link in case I accidentally ingest poison and need to vomit, though. There’s more than enough arsenic…
Irene, hugs if you want them, and extra for kitty.
Puddleglum and BernardoSoares: Yup! That skull thing is endlessly amusing to me.
Ire: I’ve been reading the Pervocracy one; it’s good. I may check out some of the other ones people have mentioned on here.
Sorry about your cat.
““If by some miracle you’re not able to find [a personal sexual interest] that’s not out there [in porn form] then…ummmm…(pause as he considers saying “then I’m wrong” but can’t bring himself to utter those words)…then my simple response to you is to go out and start your own production company.””
*remembers yesterdays horse porn debacle from 4-chan, head explodes*