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Redditor explains why they left #GamerGate. (tl:dr: The raging hypocrisy.)

Goodbye, and thanks for nothing!
Goodbye, and thanks for nothing!

Here’s an interesting post by someone claiming to be a former GamerGater on Reddit explaining why they left the, er, movement and helpfully summing up a lot of what’s wrong with it. At least when it comes to GG’s rampant hypocrisy.  Take it away, turbonerdsupreme!

It was a mixture of things really, but I think the starting point was Milo’s “You take your tits out for a living tweets” to Liana K. Basically what gradually convinced me GG wasnt about ethics (journalistic or otherwise) was the bayonetta affair, and their sheer hypocrisy.

They claim to be fighting for Journalistic ethics, while supporting and championing highly unethical journalists like Milo and Pinsof. It’s also important not to forget the Bayonetta affair where they tried to pressure a publisher into pulling a Gerstmann, and dropping advertisments on a site that gave their game a bad review. THEY LITERALLY TRIED TO BRING ABOUT THE SECOND COMING OF THE MOST NOTORIOUS EXAMPLE OF CORRUPT GAMES JOURNALISM IN HISTORY.

They denounce journalists like Leigh Alexander, being rude to people on twitter, while joining in with and celebrating the outright bullying, abuse and harassment of Milo “real professional journalist” Yiannopolous (i’d hyperlink an example but there’s way too many of them to pick just one, this guy is really scum, google it)

They attack Anita for not providing good value for her kickstarter money, while supporting, glorifying and No I’m Spartacusing, someone who scammed around $15k out of people using kickstarter as well as the obvious scam that is the Sarkeesian effect. [Although good news is Sarkessian effect stuff is starting to be voted down sometimes on KiA] They also welcomed the support of the Amazing Atheist a known scammer

They mock Cheong’s neo-nazi past, while having Davis “white nationalist on paper” Aurini, Milo “Iron Cross” Yianoppulous/Wagner (seriously what the fuck is wrong with this guy), the Holocaust denying King of /poll, and Stormfront among them. Not to mention their propagating of anti-Semitic /pol/ memes and frequent use of Jew as a slur.

They Call Chu a rape apologist (a completely bullshit accusation), all the while endorsing Roosh “No never means no” V, and Mike “Why Should I care when women are raped?” Cernovich. [Although to be fair support for Roosh has met some opposition]

They get super mad at Sarkeessian for supposedly not even liking video games, all the while championing Christina “Still hasnt actually played any video games to my knowledge” Sommers, and Milo “Are you noticing a reoccurring theme here yet?” Yianopoulos.

They claim they want politics and politically charged thinktank funded academics out of video games, while supporting Christina “works for a rightwing think tank” Sommers.

They claim Anita is the new Jack Thompson while supporting Jack “The Old Jack Thompson” Thompson.

They claim Milo Yianopoulos has redeeming qualities as a human being, while being frequently exposed to his tweets, articles, and videos. While admittedly this is not hypocrisy it does show extremely poor judgement.

In conclusion the majority of GGers show such a massive double standard in their treatment of progressives and social conservatives, that it is impossible to construe it as anything other than a thinly veiled right wing socially conservative movement, with no real care for journalistic ethics. That is why I left.

The links scattered around in there are pretty illuminating.

H/T — A Division by Zer0

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shadethedruid
6 years ago

“They claim Anita is the new Jack Thompson while supporting Jack “The Old Jack Thompson” Thompson.”

This made me laugh more than it should’ve..

Mezza
Mezza
6 years ago

Yeah, I have to admit, I was disappointed that he didn’t mention the horrific harassment that people like Sarkeesian and Quinn receive from gators. I was also put off when he talked about Anita as if he agrees with everything GG says about her, and only has a problem with them supporting someone who has done worse with Kickstarter money. He also doesn’t mention TheAmazingAtheist’s horrible attitude (towards women, feminism, rape victims, whatever) or the fact that gators support him even with his shitty attitude, just the fact that he’s a scammer/e-begger.

Sorry for being a downer, it’d be nice if more people who turned away from GG actually took the harassment that gators sling seriously. I do agree that it’s at least good to see someone turning away from them for whatever reason. The post did make me smile at first, I just wound up overthinking it as usual.

Jon H
6 years ago

” I was also put off when he talked about Anita as if he agrees with everything GG says about her”

Not really… He says “They get super mad at Sarkeessian for supposedly not even liking video games.” Using “supposedly” like that doesn’t really suggest much confidence in GG’s claims about her.

goodrumo
6 years ago

Reblogged this on iheariseeilearn.

badgersdaughter
6 years ago

Don’t let’s let perfect be the enemy of the good, here, people. We’re not saying “they finally got it perfect summa cum laude”, we’re saying “hey someone’s not actually failing the course anymore”. Credit where credit is due, and expect that things will continue going in the right direction if we encourage and support them. I’m going to choose to be happy someone got disgusted with the hypocrisy they saw. I’ll be disappointed later if they don’t continue developing, but I’m not going to make myself pre-disappointed now.

titianblue
titianblue
6 years ago

“it is impossible to construe it as anything other than a thinly veiled right wing socially conservative movement, with no real care for journalistic ethics.”

Adam Baldwin, Breitbart et al, and JuiceBro Lawyer emphatically deny any connection to the right wing socially conservative movement and also shut up you filthy progressives.

Tell me this is @Plaat being sarcastic.

tinyorc
6 years ago

There’s another post in that thread that says the following:

I used to be somewhat dismissive of women-in-tech issues, but this whole shitshow gave me a much needed dose of perspective.

I find that pretty heartening. It means that GG has succeeded in pushing at least one person off the fence and helped them realise that yes, misogyny in tech industries really is that bad.

proxieme
proxieme
6 years ago

@titianblue: The use of “JuiceBro Lawyer” makes me think yes.

Michael Lindsay
6 years ago

Wait, it wasn’t obvious from the moment it slouched on to the interwebz that GamerGate was completely full of shit?

scalyllama
6 years ago

The vibe is, understandably, against major plaudits for Mr turbonerdsupreme. But I feel we should give him some recognition and encouragement.

How would you feel about a “Most Improved” sticker?

vaiyt
6 years ago

I’ve seriously just witnessed a Gater post “I just want to play video games”, and then immediately follow with a 2000 word drunken screed about how a single weapon name changing from “marksman” to “shootist” in a video game has ruined it forever, inclusivity is an agenda, why do you force me to acknowledge other people exist, skeletons are going to make all video games about dildos and gimp suits, wah wah wah.

(do note that “shootist” is actually a John Wayne reference)

That inspired me to craft this meme:
https://imgflip.com/i/edpjk

Ellesar
6 years ago

So someone has woken up? Let’s hope that many more have the scales fall from their eyes and GG will sink into obscurity (though saying that my gaming sons know fuck all about it!).

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

Don’t let’s let perfect be the enemy of the good, here, people.

I don’t actually think it’s “good” (in the sense you are using it) that someone decided to leave GG because GG didn’t live up to their standards, as opposed to because GG is a toxic sewer of misogyny and hate. I think that displays a fundamental and willful belief that misogyny is actually NBD and the real problem is that GG is pro-scammer and pro-Jack Thompson.

When someone decides to claim that they no longer support a terrorist group because the terrorists aren’t effectively pushing the correct message, rather than because they are fucking terrorists, I don’t jump up and down for joy.

And for people like Jon H, who are trying to parse this post to make it say things it does not say, go find a new hobby.

Lisa C (@hppykittystudio)

I just hope more of these goofs leave GG.

AltoFronto
AltoFronto
6 years ago

I think Chaltab got the measure of this guy. I don’t think we need shower turbonerdsupreme with cookies, but I’m happy for him, and I hope there are many others like him who will choose to leave GamerGate, having realised that they’ve been duped into co-signing some hateful shite.

Group Psychology can be a terrifying force for evil, but at least this one person has managed to shake himself free, and that’s not an easy thing to do.

GG poisoned itself the moment it started accepting recognisable faces of Hatred. It’s easy to get sucked into “defending” something you like from those “eeevil SJWs”, without necessarily connecting that to the hatred of women, but nobody with a shred of awareness wants to be associated with Neo-Nazis.

Now I hope it’s reached the point where more people are reacting in the same way as turbonerd, and that they’ll leave the seething morass of opportunistic hate-mongers to chew GamerGate apart from the inside…

Turbonerd and the kitten video have very much brightened my day.

LordCrowstaff
LordCrowstaff
6 years ago

It’s not like he said “I would have totally stayed with GG, if not for those meddling hypocrites”. Just because he does not complain too much about the misogyny in GG does not mean he’s otherwise fine with it. You accuse Jon H of parsing the post for things the poster did not say, yet to the same thing when you infer that, just because he does not explicitely mention it, he has absolutely no problem with it.

That, and he DOES cite two rape apologists and Milo Yianopolous as an example of the kind of people he does not want to associate with anymore.

ikanreed
ikanreed
6 years ago

I generally like the commentary here, except for one thing.

“Meme”s are the worst thing to happen to wit since paying authors by the word.

ted the fed
ted the fed
6 years ago

I’m still legit confused about these supposed issues in video games journalism that people are mad enough about to join Gamergate in the first place. I’ve read some articles that say the only valid problems are caused by big companies abusing their power (like the Bayonetta thing, I think). But I can’t plausibly see someone joining GG because they have a problem with that stuff, because… GG never talks about it. They talk about indie games, and the bone of contention seems to be… that some indie games are popular despite being really different from AAA games?

I saw a quote from a website that was trying to soberly interview people from both sides, and so all the GG people were on their best behavior. And one guy was answering a question about what a perfect post-GG gaming website would look like, and he said something like, “There could even be reviews of stuff like ‘Gone Home,’ as long as EVERYBODY isn’t giving it 10 out of 10 when it’s not THAT GOOD.”
It’s hard for me to understand how people are seeing that as a less corrupt system, unless you immediately believe that no one has sincere reasons for having different tastes from yourself. (I have come to the conclusion that this is utterly true of lots of these people.) Some people seem to bemoan that popular indie games are cynically designed to push all the right liberal, hipster buttons and so people go, “Oh hey, yeah, this validates lesbianism! A plus!” but I can’t see how someone could believe that without believing that telling a non-sexualized story about lesbians isn’t something anyone would do just for its own sake. Other people complain about how cliquish the “indie game scene” is, but frankly, that sounds less a recipe for corruption and more just interpersonally annoying (and I’ve never heard anyone who isn’t an indie game maker who’s outside the ‘scene’ complain about it.)

So…. yeah. I really kind of don’t understand how someone can get sucked into GG out of completely innocent and fair-minded dislike of corruption in journalism. Even giving ALL benefit of the doubt about misogyny, it doesn’t hold up without a core of “I can’t abide how people like games that I dislike.”

seraph4377
6 years ago

@ Michael Lindsay – assuming you’re not being sarcastic, Gamergate told the lies that its followers were prepared to believe.

My hope is that there will be more turbonerdsupremes out there, who maybe didn’t recognize GG for how wrong it was, but who become disaffected because of the illogic and hypocrisy. Once outside the self-reinforcing, baby-MRA bubble of Gamergate, maybe they can experience the same growth that Viceroy did.

seraph4377
6 years ago

BTW, do I dare to hope that associating with Jack “Satan of Video Gamers” Thompson might be what finally discredits Gamergate with all but the “No, this really is about running women out of gaming, which belongs to us personally, and we’re actually damn proud of it” hard core?

LordCrowstaff
LordCrowstaff
6 years ago

I guess it’s mostly about people feeling threatened, feeling like their favourite hobby or thing is “under attack”, which, in turn, means THEY are under attack. And when somebody feels threatened, it’s very easy for others, or even himself, to find some obscure, all-powerful target that clearly must be behind all of this.

I guess the chain of “logic” goes something like this:

I am a gamer -> somebody is questioning my games -> somebody is questioning me -> other people agree with the person doing the questioning -> I know for sure that the thing being questioned is perfect -> the people who are questioning my thing are either a) ignorant and not true fans of my thing or b) malevolent and actively hateful.

Note here that “questioning” can mean anything from changing the name of your favourite gun to pointing out feminist criticism to not praising your favourite chosen game into high heaven, or damning your favourite chosen worst video game.

M. the Social Justice Ranger
M. the Social Justice Ranger
6 years ago

@ted the fed

Well, there technically is something of an ethics problem in gaming – specifically, it’s an open secret that large review sites (namely IGN) and well-known individual reviewers have been accepting bribes from EA and Ubisoft in exchange for undeservedly good scores – but, of course, even #GamerGate’s bullshit cover story couldn’t give one dried-out dingo turd about any of that and they even count some of the bribe-takers amongst their numbers (*cough*TotalBiscuit*cough*). ETHICS!

seraph4377
6 years ago

@ Lordcrowstaff – two factors that add to the toxic stew. One: a persecution complex that leads many gamers to believe that nerds – that is, male nerds like themselves, who are/were picked on in high school – are the victims in any given situation (which of course means that whatever is happening to Zoe Quinn, she’s the real bully, and all of the people trying to defend her are just the popular kids picking on you). Two: the fact that although they feel constantly bullied, they’re actually privileged beyond all measure in the gaming world. Which means that every advance by someone else really does take something away from them, in the sense that their privilege is not total anymore. Where they once got the whole dozen cookies and left everyone the crumbs, now they only get eleven cookies. And since they’re the victim in any given situation, that means the high school mean girls and their bullying SJW minions have come to take away their only haven.

It really does make sense, if you start from a foundation of utter delusion.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

Just because he does not complain too much about the misogyny in GG does not mean he’s otherwise fine with it.

It means this is not high on that person’s priority list, and probably not even in that person’s mind at all. If it were a big factor, why would the post not mention it? You’re still writing something into this that isn’t there. My reason for not supporting GG is because GG is a toxic sewer of misogyny and hate. That’s not a difficult thing to state, and this post could have stated that if that were actually a reason why this person doesn’t support GG anymore. That statement is not there.

The “Bayonetta affair” gets the all-caps treatment, but misogyny doesn’t even warrant a footnote. You’re not going to convince me that misogyny was super-important to this person, so important that the breakup post doesn’t even bring it up.

You accuse Jon H of parsing the post for things the poster did not say, yet to the same thing when you infer that, just because he does not explicitely mention it, he has absolutely no problem with it.

I’m saying it wasn’t enough for this person to leave GG, because it is not listed as a reason for leaving GG. I am taking this person at their word. I believe what they say. Why do you not believe what they say?

That, and he DOES cite two rape apologists and Milo Yianopolous as an example of the kind of people he does not want to associate with anymore.

Let’s look at what the post actually says about the rape apologists.

They Call Chu a rape apologist (a completely bullshit accusation), all the while endorsing Roosh “No never means no” V, and Mike “Why Should I care when women are raped?” Cernovich. [Although to be fair support for Roosh has met some opposition]

Funny, I don’t see, “I don’t want to be associated with rape apologists,” anywhere in there. I see, “Here’s another example of the hypocrisy which I stated in my first paragraph was one of the two reasons why I left GG (the other being the Bayonetta affair).”

Give me some statement out of that post, any statement, that says something to the effect of, “I don’t want to be associated with a movement that welcomes rape apologists.” If you can’t come up with one, then that statement is an invention of your mind and not present in the post.

MY is cited as being bad because he’s a Nazi, because he doesn’t play games, and because he’s an all-around, unspecified bad person. He’s cited as a bully and a harasser, but there is no indication whatsoever that the high-gendered nature of the harassment has even caught this poster’s notice.

In fact, the only mention of any kind of gendered anything is the first paragraph:

It was a mixture of things really, but I think the starting point was Milo’s “You take your tits out for a living tweets” to Liana K. Basically what gradually convinced me GG wasnt about ethics (journalistic or otherwise) was the bayonetta affair, and their sheer hypocrisy.

There’s no hint that misogyny is a problem for this person. It is not listed as a reason for leaving GG. At best it was a “starting point,” but it wasn’t the ending point, and at no time does this post say anything about gendered terrorism (or gendered anything) as a reason to not like GG. One of the two stated reasons for leaving GG is hypocrisy, and the bulk of the post talks about (surprise!) hypocrisy.

There are many opportunities for, “oh, and also the misogyny” to be incorporated into the post, and none of those opportunities was taken. This means that it wasn’t that important. Nobody writes an essay listing the reasons why they left GG and then forgets to include a big super-important reason that was one of the major factors. The fact that the Bayonetta affair gets all-caps and misogyny doesn’t get a mention means that the Bayonetta affair was an important reason and misogyny isn’t.

If you can’t grasp that, then I can’t help you because you don’t want to grasp it and I can’t make you do something you willfully refuse to do.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Just because he does not complain too much about the misogyny in GG does not mean he’s otherwise fine with it.

But why didn’t he mention the misogyny in GG when he gave out all his other reasons for no longer supporting it? Sure, it’s nice that he doesn’t like blatant rape apologists. But he also called the harassment and threats that gamergaters did “being rude on twitter.” That tells me he still doesn’t get it. I’m glad GG lost someone, and I’ll take it. I’m not saying he’s a horrible person who should die in a fire or anything. But I’m pretty sick of being asked to set the bar for human decency so low for men. It gets a little tiring being expected to baby men and cheer them on for the slightest little glimmer of goodness. Especially since our culture sets the human decency bar very high for women.

This whole thing reminds me of those men that don’t see the need for feminism until they have a daughter. Better late than never I guess but it’s still problematic that they can’t see women as humans until one emerges from their loins. It’s still wrong that they’re only women in relation to themselves.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Only seeing women in relation to themselves rather. I wish there was a timespan of 5 minutes in which we could edit our posts!

seraph4377
6 years ago

@weirwoodtreehugger – Frustrating as it is, it’s really better like this. I shudder to think of the gaslighting some of our trolls would have done if they could rewrite their posts. Anyone here remember MRAL?

conan776
6 years ago

So this guy I’ve never heard of no longer supports ethics in journalism, because of a bunch of other people I’ve never heard of? Well, okay.

plaatsvervangende schaamte

@titianblue – Come on, now… how could I possibly be sarcastic about prominent right-wingers pretending that they are not part of a prominent right-wing movement?

titianblue
titianblue
6 years ago

@Plaat *hangs head in shame*

Adam
Adam
6 years ago

I guess the way I see it is that there are good yet extremely misguided people in GG, and there presence is used to give the movement some air of legitimacy as its leaders and most virulent activists behave like scumbags. The only person in that group I really had any respect for is TotalBiscuit, and he seems to have tacitly backed away from the hashtag and come to accept that the movement is mostly awful like everyone else had much earlier.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

I saw a quote from a website that was trying to soberly interview people from both sides, and so all the GG people were on their best behavior. And one guy was answering a question about what a perfect post-GG gaming website would look like, and he said something like, “There could even be reviews of stuff like ‘Gone Home,’ as long as EVERYBODY isn’t giving it 10 out of 10 when it’s not THAT GOOD.”

I am uncomfortable when not everyone agrees with my tastes? That’s all I’m really getting from this. Damn gaming journalists, finding stuff entertaining that bores/annoys me, how very dare they.

sparky
sparky
6 years ago

Pffft. Too little, too late.

I’m with Policy of Madness and weirwoodtreehugger, here. Gamergate started out as a misogynist crusade against one woman, and the only way it’s “evolved” was to target more women. It was never about ethics in video game journalism. Ever. And the misogyny in gamergate isn’t hidden or subtle, it’s right there in your face. I can see someone getting suckered into it for five minutes without actually knowing much about it, but to spend any kind of time as part of it? Without being totally sickened by the rampant misogyny? Yeah, it’s a good thing this guy left and all and gamergaters are huge hypocrites, but the core of gamergate is misogyny.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Yeah, I have to say, when he went directly from describing the harassment of women on twitter as “being rude” to calling the harassment of a man “harassment” it was pretty clear that he doesn’t give a shit about misogyny, and that he may not quite be grasping the whole women are people thing yet.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

To be fair, the “being rude on Twitter” post was, I believe, supposed to refer to Leigh Alexander’s behavior, not the behavior of those toward her. And the “harassment” was supposed to refer to MY’s behavior, not the behavior of those toward him. The grammar is not great, but that’s what I got out of that paragraph.

It’s one of many “examples of hypocrisy,” which in the whole comprise almost the entirety of the post. You’re being hypocritical if you slam one person for being rude while supporting someone else who is being abusive.

duckbunny
6 years ago

I guess the way I see it is that there are good yet extremely misguided people in GG

Nope. No no no. There are no good people in Gamergate. Anybody involved in Gamergate is engaged in the act of not being a good person. Good and bad are actions, not states.
There is no way to be honestly confused about what Gamergate is about and what Gamergaters do. That boat has long since sailed. This has been going on for months and it’s been obvious from the beginning that Gamergate is about harrassing women.
Anyone still involved in Gamergate either thinks that’s awesome, or is wilfully denying it exists. There’s no third way for the good-but-misguided who don’t know it’s happening. Supporting Gamergate is a bad thing to do and people should feel bad for doing it.

Michelle C Young
6 years ago

So, what you’re saying is, turbonerdsupreme ACTUALLY does care about ethics in games journalism!

I think I like this guy.

Because, yeah, ethics in games journalism is something worth pursuing. Ethics in any sort of journalism is worth pursuing. Ethics, in general, is worth pursuing.

The #GamerGate, as such, however, has so little in the way or real ethics, that it has driven away real ethical people, who want ethics in games journalism.

There’s a name for this. Now what was that, again? Cosmic irony?

Michelle C Young
6 years ago

@wordspinner

there are genuine problems with gaming media–and when that media helps you decide if you are going to plunk down $60 (or whatever a console-type game costs now–I am not a gamer) that is kind of personally important.

Yeah. I decided NOT to plunk down $60 or so for the Sims 4, because of what I read and/or watched on videos of games journalism.

Now I am reading stories by people who have played the game, and I believe that if someone were to give me the game, I would enjoy playing it. Although I don’t know if I’ll ever “get over” the lack of toddlers in the game.

It’s like comparing carob to chocolate. If you expect chocolate, and get carob, you’ll just hate it. But if you go in, knowing that you’re going to eat carob, and not chocolate, it’s actually quite tasty, in its own way.

Sims 4 is a different flavor, and plenty of people are liking it. However, they all need to know that it is a completely different flavor.

Thus, GOOD games journalism is important.

Puddleglum
6 years ago

I’m pretty ‘meh’ on this explanation. I think it was aimed at ggators, which is probably why it doesn’t mention the rampant misogyny and terror campaigns; you can’t convert others with the talking points ggators already ignore.

But.

Like the others here, I found d00d’s reasons for FINALLY stepping away are just a little bit less than compelling.

M. Tremblay
M. Tremblay
6 years ago

I’m gonna go ahead and give turbonerdsupreme some credit for waking up, smelling the coffee, and finally figuring out just why it smells like piss so much. I’ve seen neo-Nazis go through their own “reform”, for lack of a better word, and what I took away from these folks is that what most people see as basic decency, can be a huge paradigm shift for others. It takes more effort than we might think, for these types to come to grips with the fact that they invested so much to a bad cause.

With that in mind, I also agree with others above that turbonerd does not deserve a medal, like, at all. Basic decency is not an achievement, it’s the expected bare minimum. From Day 1, it was blatantly obvious that GamerGate was a smokescreen for the internet’s latest excuse to harass women. The hypocrisy of sending death and rape threats to a financially vulnerable woman who clearly has nothing to do with journalism, because some guy couldn’t get over a break-up, all in the name of “ethics” in journalism; of sending death and rape threats to a feminist critic who said some games had some sexist content, then turning around and claiming you’re all about inclusiveness; of sending death and rape threats to a woman who retweeted a joke about GamerGate and then pretend GamerGate has nothing to do with it, and of course she must have made it up; all these signs and so many more were in plain sight from the beginning. Claiming that “I really thought it was about ethics” strains credulity, to say the least.

When I saw those neo-Nazis realize that their ideology was bullshit, I didn’t congratulate them on their victory, but on their first step towards victory. Some got better, and some remained horrible people, but in a different way. The same goes with GamerGate. Realizing it was bullshit is just a first step. The next one is to act on that realization and stop being a horrible person.

(Well, that rant went quite a bit longer than expected…)

Michelle C Young
6 years ago

@badgersdaughter

Don’t let’s let perfect be the enemy of the good, here, people. We’re not saying “they finally got it perfect summa cum laude”, we’re saying “hey someone’s not actually failing the course anymore”. Credit where credit is due, and expect that things will continue going in the right direction if we encourage and support them. I’m going to choose to be happy someone got disgusted with the hypocrisy they saw. I’ll be disappointed later if they don’t continue developing, but I’m not going to make myself pre-disappointed now.

THIS.

I just went to the doctor today, and found out that my A1C went down by 1 tenth of a point. YAYYYYYYY! It needs to go down a lot more, and at this rate, it will take years, but still! It went down 1 tenth of a point!

Considering all I have to deal with, I’ll call this a (minor) win, and be happy. Mind you, if it went down a whole point, I’d be ten times happiER, but still, I’m happy.

I used to be a perfectionist, and I was exceedingly unhappy about life, because nothing was ever perfect. I have since accepted that “Good enough” is good enough, and if someone does something right, even for the wrong reasons, it’s still worth celebrating that they did something right.

As people learn and grow, their reasoning changes, too. Children generally do the right thing, because they know that their parents will put them in time-out or something, if they don’t. Eventually, they start to understand the reasons for their parents’ rules, and as they get older, they start claiming those rules as their own, then raising their own children with those rules, as well. Oh, sure, some of the rules change from generation to generation, but the really important ones (Share! Be kind! Be honest!) are the ones that last through the ages. And they last, because the more people follow those rules, the more they understand why those rules are important.

So, does he get a cookie? Sure. He can have an Oreo. Does he get a jumbo-sized home-made Oatmeal Scotchie with a tall glass of cold milk? No. But he can have that Oreo, from me.

I mean, I get what Policy of Madness is saying. Yes, I want more, too. I’m hoping that this is a sign that he’s on his way to learning something about misogyny and real equality. At least his mind is not completely closed, anymore. There’s hope. I’m happy.

katz
6 years ago

I’m inclined to be happy about this, too, not that I require anyone else to be.

J. Schmidt
J. Schmidt
6 years ago

To be fair, the “being rude on Twitter” post was, I believe, supposed to refer to Leigh Alexander’s behavior, not the behavior of those toward her. And the “harassment” was supposed to refer to MY’s behavior, not the behavior of those toward him. The grammar is not great, but that’s what I got out of that paragraph.

Yeah, I read that as well, though I had to re-read a dozen times, because as written it looks a lot like the author is saying GG denounced Alexander’s rudeness while bullying MY. But that doesn’t make sense in context of the author painting MY as a hero.

J. Schmidt
J. Schmidt
6 years ago

“author painting MY as a hero.”

That should be “author painting MY as a hero to GG.”

kittehserf - MOD
6 years ago

I just went to the doctor today, and found out that my A1C went down by 1 tenth of a point. YAYYYYYYY! It needs to go down a lot more, and at this rate, it will take years, but still! It went down 1 tenth of a point!

Michelle, congrats!

Btw I emailed you, did you get it?

ququasar
6 years ago

@wordsp1nner

I love that so much. That’s exactly how I’ve imagined Vivian’s reaction to GG ever since I first saw the character design. The ‘gaters really should have realised that “Shuddup, play video games” cuts both ways.

Hey, do you know I can go to find more good!Vivian art without having to wade through the pro-GG stuff? I’m honestly scared to google for it.

sff9
sff9
6 years ago

The reddit thread is really interesting. I like this one, from someone who was probably more in the typical gamergater spirit than most of the others (didn’t like Sarkeesian, watched Internet Aristocrat video wanting to agree, etc.). It shows once again how patiently debunking and document everything (like David does here) is fundamental. It adds up, and the evidence slowly becomes impossible to ignore for whoever is willing to keep an eye open.

Michelle C Young
6 years ago

@kittehserf – When did you email me? I looked through, but couldn’t find anything from you. Sorry.

I’m afraid I haven’t checked my email in a while, so there’s a lot to look through.

kittehserf - MOD
6 years ago

Oh, it was a day or so at most. No prob, I’ll send it again now!

kittehserf - MOD
6 years ago

… aaand done! I might have sent it to your wrong addy before.