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Manosphere philosopher F. Roger Devlin asks: "Is the Violence Against Women Act an attempt to get back at men for their failure to put women in their place?"

I don't get it either.
I don’t get it either.

You may remember woman-hating white nationalist F. Roger Devlin as the guy who invented “hypergamy” – or at least the misogynistic cartoon version of the concept popular in Men’s Rights and other “red pill” subcultures.

Well, Devlin also has some thoughts on domestic violence, and they make even less sense.

In a recent post on the far-right Counter-Currents Publishing website, Devlin takes on what he calls “The Question of Female Masochism.” His basic thesis: that women – or at least a lot of them – get a sexual thrill out of being physically abused.

His proof? That Clark Gable won the hearts of female moviegoers by playing a series of macho cads. And that Tammy Wynette married a number of men who allegedly abused her. Devlin writes:

If Tammy Wynette never took up with a man who failed to abuse her, there can be only one explanation: Tammy had a thing for nasty boys.

If you put a woman like this in a room with a dozen men, within five minutes she would be exclusively focused on the meanest, most domineering and brutal fellow in the room.

Also something about cavemen and chimps and how women are a bunch of manipulative monsters; my eyes glazed over.

So far this is fairly standard-issue misogynistic victim-blaming. But Devlin, clever fellow that he is, takes it a step further.

As he sees it, society has done such a good job of controlling the violent tendencies that women secretly pine for “rough men” like Clark Gable, who aren’t afraid to put women “in their place” even if it means punching them in the nose.

A society-wide failure of men to take charge of women is likely to produce a great deal of conscious or unconscious sexual frustration in women which may express itself as sadism.

And so, as Devlin sees it, these women – a bunch of mascochists turned sadists – are taking their revenge against wimpy men by … supporting laws against domestic violence. No, really, that’s what he thinks:

Is the Violence Against Women Act an attempt to get back at men for their failure to put women in their place? Surely women would rather have Clark Gable than take out more restraining orders, force men to take more anger management classes, enjoy more absurd police-state protections from men who are increasingly wimpy anyway.

Uh, what? I’ll let Bea Arthur handle this one.

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Kaboodle
Kaboodle
6 years ago

The “arguments” and “logic” of the ROKs and MRAs always seem to have that ‘word salad’ quality which characterizes the speech and writing of sociopaths. Of course, in the sociopath mind, any act can be justified, with the goal of spinning the victim(s) into the perpetrator(s). Still confused about what Tammy Wynette has to do with all this lol

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

It is true that sometimes people are fascinated by villainous or cad-like male characters. But nowadays people are becoming more interested in female villains too. Both Wicked (book and musical) and Maleficent (Angelina Jolie movie) were very successful and although Snow White and the Huntsmen ostensibly had Snow White as a protagonist, most agree that the Wicked Queen was by far the most interesting character. Does this mean that men naturally like abusers too?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Also, women know that irl John Hamm is not an asshole. Amazingly enough, we can tell that the character is not the same person as the actor playing him.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Do women really like Don Draper though? I haven’t really heard women saying they do. Jon Hamm is likeable, charismatic and very good looking. That doesn’t mean Don is likeable. He’s a well written and interesting character and Mad Men is a good show. None of that means I like the character of Don Draper as a person and I think it’s made pretty clear by the writers that you’re not supposed to.

It’s just that manospherian and/or right wing reactionary dudes are pretty simple minded. These are the same guys who missed the point and saw Walter White as a “badass” hero and Skyler as a “c*nut” who totally killed his buzz all the time. They can’t imagine that women are capable of watching Mad Men (or any other well written show) with a critical eye because they aren’t intellectually capable of basic analysis. We must only like it because Don Draper is dreamy.

Shiraz
Shiraz
6 years ago

Yeah, true that. How can some people tell the difference, I wonder? I think a media consumer class should be taught in grade school.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Or, going back to the old faithful of angry resentful dudes on the internet – are women attracted to Brad Pitt because he played a scary asshole in Kalifornia and a bank robber in Thelma and Louise, or because he looks like Brad Pitt?

Shiraz
Shiraz
6 years ago

Hmmmmm. I wonder. Maybe it’s less scary to think women like assholes than women feeling physical attraction to some men.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

They still need to explain why I feel exponentially more attracted to men who I’m already attracted to when I see them doing something sweet.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

are women attracted to Brad Pitt because he played a scary asshole in Kalifornia and a bank robber in Thelma and Louise, or because he looks like Brad Pitt?

Speaking strictly for myself, I’m gonna go with “because he looks like Brad Pitt”. He also played a dumb-but-hot jock in Burn After Reading. Not much bad-boy shit going on there, but he was hilarious.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

And I find Keanu Reeves attractive in everything, even though he can’t act at all and is thus unconvincing in almost every role (except Bill and Ted’s).

To be fair, the wetsuit in Point Break did help.

Shiraz
Shiraz
6 years ago

Keanu Reeves. 🙂

tigtog
6 years ago

Minor quibble for Jenora Feuer: Arsenic and Old Lace starred Cary Grant, not Clark Gable. Cary Grant was well known for his comedic talents, Clark Gable not quite so much. They were both classic Hollywood leading men who played a range of characters, but Gable’s nickname “The King” came from his particularly fprceful voice and appearance, while Grant’s lighter debonair touch made him a more flexible but less commanding leading man.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

I had a crush on Brad Pitt when I was a teenager. It had nothing to do with him in Thelma and Louise or Kalifornia. It was all about Louis in Interview with the Vampire. Louis is one of the least bad vampires out there (until Twilight came along anyway). Lestat even got annoyed with Louis for being too goody goody and not killing humans. In fact, that was a pretty major plot point in the first half of the book and movie.

ququasar
6 years ago

Huh, that’s odd. Every time try to read anything by this Devlin guy my vision goes blank and I start hearing “Cthulhu F’thagn” chanted over and over.

Is that normal?

Shiraz
Shiraz
6 years ago

**chuckle**

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

The funny thing about Interview with the Vampire is that in the book Lestat was supposed to be at least as handsome as Louis…

(Normally I love long hair on men, but Tom Cruise should never, ever do that again.)

zennurse
zennurse
6 years ago

I totally loved the book but didn’t believe any of them in the movie. And you’re right, ck, tom cruise with long hair was a really bad thing.

I am a Robert Downey fan myself.

Sarah
Sarah
6 years ago

Someone should tease this guy and Elam to “debate” whether what the monolithic women want is to be abused, or to abuse men and boys. Until they agree. And leave the rest of the world alone.

zennurse
zennurse
6 years ago

Well, I tried to watch the Paul Elam whine and cheese cocktail hour but it felt like watching Jordan Owen on his couch with the belts, just that bit too skeevy. I wanted to take one for the team but I just couldn’t hang in there. He is so condescending, he reminds me of my ex- husband.

zennurse
zennurse
6 years ago

PS I don’t think the event will make the MSM, there are only 84 people watching. Including me.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Maybe it’s just because I need sleep but I keep reading the title of this post as “The Manureosphere”, and it makes so much more sense that way.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
6 years ago

Arsenic and Old Lace starred Cary Grant, not Clark Gable.

I really did that, didn’t I.

Excuse me, I think I need to go bang my head against the wall to knock a few things back into place. I can’t believe I did that.

shadethedruid
6 years ago

zennurse: I bet Elam doesn’t have any plastic skulls either, does he? He’s really behind the times here.

tiko72
tiko72
6 years ago

@Moggie

I spotted your KLF reference.

Thanks @Zennurse and @isidore3.

That interviewer was awesome,I think it counts as brain bleach. Maybe Mr Blanc could go to a seminar and get some tips on how to squirm on TV without anyone noticing.
Also at around the 2.17 mark when he’s taking about confusion I’m sure I can hear someone laughing from behind the camera.

kittehserf - MOD
6 years ago

Buttercup:

wouldn’t you think we’d simply legislate a Pitt in every pot,

I <3 the Henri IV reference.

schwadevivre:

So … how does Mr Devlin explain the popularity of George Clooney, Brad Pitt, Leonardo di Caprio, Johnny Depp and Patrick Stewart?

This!

Tracy:

One says he has a PhD but not in what.

In his case, I believe it stands for Pig-headed Dunce.

LOL!

cassandra:

And I find Keanu Reeves attractive in everything, even though he can’t act at all and is thus unconvincing in almost every role (except Bill and Ted’s).

To be fair, the wetsuit in Point Break did help.

I’ve only seen Keanu in Dracula (in which he was eye-rollingly bad) and The Lake House, in which he was quite good, iirc (only saw it once a few years ago). I liked him in that but really wished someone had thrown Harker off a cliff at the start of Dracula. 😛

The funny thing about Interview with the Vampire is that in the book Lestat was supposed to be at least as handsome as Louis…

(Normally I love long hair on men, but Tom Cruise should never, ever do that again.)

I thought they both looked atrocious in that movie. As did Antonio Banderas. Who the fuck was responsible for those appalling wigs, anyway?

Now, as for Clark Gable, this is the image I prefer (never seen any of his movies: I bailed on Gone with the Wind before he appeared).

http://www.kittenspet.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Celebrity-Cats-22.jpg

And! Because I’ve been on a Captain Hook kick lately and someone knows very well how to add to the fun, this:

http://i.imgur.com/fK9jbGI.png

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

About Interview, Pitt is the only one of those three I ever find attractive, so…

In terms of him with long hair he looked better in Legends of the Fall, but the problem is that in order to appreciate that you have to watch the movie, which is painfully bad.

kittehserf - MOD
6 years ago

I saw a few minutes of that, and yes, he did look better. Only time I’ve thought Tom Cruise was almost worth looking at was when he was hidden under long hair and a moustache in Born on the Fourth of July. Antonio Banderas isn’t really my type either, though he can spiff up if he’s doing his Mask of Zorro look. (Readers may notice a pattern here.)

Shiraz
Shiraz
6 years ago

Legends of the Fall, yeah, eeesh.

grumpyoldnurse
grumpyoldnurse
6 years ago

Huh, that’s odd. Every time try to read anything by this Devlin guy my vision goes blank and I start hearing “Cthulhu F’thagn” chanted over and over.

Is that normal?

No! That is not normal. I get the chanting, but then blood starts pouring out of cracks in the walls and forms these weird, rune-like symbols. Maybe you should check in with your high priestess?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

He sure was pretty, but other than that, no thank you.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Normally I love long hair on men, but Tom Cruise should never, ever do that again.

I used to like it, but after finding out what bag Jian Ghomeshi really comes out of, I’m kind of off it, myself.

Gee! It’s almost as if this “women LOVE them some sadistic bad boys” shit has no actual merit whatsoever!

Puddleglum
6 years ago

I’m confused by the Clark Gable = asshole thing this guy has going on. I mean, he played a lot of mean guys in movies (note, the characters tended to be gruff guys with soft hearts, just sayin’) but those were roles. Not the actual personality of the actor. From what I know of him, he slept around a lot with willing women, fell in love once (and lost her) and then eventually went back to sleeping around a lot. Outside of that, everyone liked him, he was apparently a really friendly and funny guy.

So this Devlin d00d is basing his analysis on fictional characters. Welp, nothing new there for MRAs.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

There are far too many gorgeous men with long hair in the world for one asshole in Canada to change my preferences.

RE Clark Gable, if he slept with lots of women, well, there you go, that automatically translates to “asshole” in bittermisogynistspeak, no matter how happy about it the women in question were.

Shiraz
Shiraz
6 years ago

Well, they also think porn depicts realistic sex, so…

Nequam
Nequam
6 years ago

One of my favorite actors tended to play villains and scoundrels, but I loved that off-camera he was a sweet, kind man with unusual interests (and a wicked sense of humor):

http://www.latimes.com/includes/projects/hollywood/portraits/vincent_price.jpg

(I’m also a Christopher Lee fan. Surprise, surprise.)

wordsp1nner
wordsp1nner
6 years ago

Okay, misogynistic dude, I need to teach you some math:

some women =! all women

thinks an actor is hot =! loves everything the actor does in all his movies

thinks a fictional character is hot =! would actually like to date in real life

(and for extra credit: thinks a real person is hot =! would actually like to date in real life)

For extra cuteness:

kittehserf - MOD
6 years ago

That Maine Coon and b/w kitty are the best. I love the note on the other vid about going off to recover and get a baseball bat. 😀

M. the Social Justice Ranger
M. the Social Justice Ranger
6 years ago

I’ll admit that I’d go straight for Johnny Depp. He plays good guys and bad guys in equal measure, and he seems to be the one of the nicest guys (as in a nice guy, not a Nice Guy™) on the planet behind the camera. Why, it’s almost as if different women have different opinions! *FAINTING COUCH*

grumpyoldnurse
grumpyoldnurse
6 years ago

@ kittehserf – very nice pic of Mr.K, there.

Shaun DarthBatman Day
6 years ago

The only thing I liked Brad Pitt in was 12 Monkeys, either wrt him as an actor *or* enjoyed the movie. I have pretty much hated everything I’ve seen him in, or hated him in it, or (mostly) both. LotF was UGH, ditto Mr and Mrs Smith and I can’t name anything else, but he (and Tom Cruise) always have set off my creepdar, so maybe that’s all it is. Because I hate Cruise movies pretty much straight across the board too.

kittehserf - MOD
6 years ago

grumpyoldnurse, thanks! Having to put a replacement hand into a pic of Captain Hook was a new challenge, lol.

ququasar
6 years ago

Huh, that’s odd. Every time try to read anything by this Devlin guy my vision goes blank and I start hearing “Cthulhu F’thagn” chanted over and over.

Is that normal?

No! That is not normal. I get the chanting, but then blood starts pouring out of cracks in the walls and forms these weird, rune-like symbols. Maybe you should check in with your high priestess?

Yeah, I haven’t seen any of that. Just the chanting. It’s really rather disappointing, even if it is catchy. “Cthulhu F’thagn. What a wonderful phrase…”

grumpyoldnurse
grumpyoldnurse
6 years ago

@ kittehserf – He looks good as a pirate! Maybe leave the hook on? Good job either way.

@ ququasar – thanks for that! I have it stuck in my head now. And, I like it.

kittehserf - MOD
6 years ago

LOL well, he wasn’t going to go so far [resists temptation to say “go overboard”] as to have a hook on! Apart from the background, I wanted to show how he looked in the outfit.

That coat weighs a ton, btw. It’s almost as heavy as if it were leather, though it’s velvet with satin lining.

🙂

grumpyoldnurse
grumpyoldnurse
6 years ago

Meh, no hook’s fine, if that’s what he prefers. Still looks good as a pirate, either way (hope that’s not cheeky of me to say).

I believe you about the weight of the coat, though! I can’t even guess how many yards of fabric that would take, even without all the buttons and trim, and everything. Makes me appreciate jeans and a tee shirt that much more!

hellkell
hellkell
6 years ago

Clark Gable? Couldn’t Devlin pick someone from this century?

I thought Brad Pitt was pretty hot in Fight Club but otherwise he doesn’t do it for me. Idris Elba, OTOH, whoa.

kittehserf - MOD
6 years ago

Eh, if either of us was worried about people complimenting how he looks, I wouldn’t post his pic! 🙂

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

I have an eternal soft spot for David Wenham who, even when playing loathsome villains, still manages to come across as cuddly. Apparently I wasn’t paying attention during the “How To Tammy Wynette” section of Womaning 101.

I liked Brad Pitt for about five minutes in Thelma and Louise, but after that, meh.

kittehserf – wow! I think that may be my fave Mr. K pic yet.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

The problem with that pic is that looking at it is giving me sympathy migraines.

(The 5 mins in Thelma and Louise were when he had his shirt of and was prancing around on the bed being sexy/silly, right?)

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

The bed scene with the hair dryer, and also when he was lounging in the back seat of the car not talking. It was all downhill from there.