So Return of Kings, which seems to be working hard at becoming the most abhorrent publication known to man, has a post up by regular contributor “strongsloth” titled 5 Lines That Potential Wives Cannot Cross — that is , five rules that Mr. Sloth thinks men should enforce with any woman they want to make their wife.
These rules are, naturally, horrific. So horrific, in fact, that they essentially provide us with Five Reasons You Should Not Marry, or Date, or Rent Apartments to, or Probably Even Live in the Same City With Anyone Who’s a Fan of Return of Kings.
So let’s go through them one by one. Do not date or marry a ROK fan because:
1) He will insist on being the supreme dictator.
[A]ll decisions about things outside the house are in your sphere. If she wants some responsibility, it’s ok if she chooses how to cook the eggs.
2) He will isolate you from your family and friends. You know, like abusers do.
Just make it clear that her family and friends from before are not important to you. Their opinions do not matter. Don’t spend a lot of time with them. … They will turn on you the moment there are problems between you and your wife. When that happens, the less influence they have the better.
3) He will get you pregnant in order to make you more dependent on him.
Contraceptives and abortion are murder
Why? Immediate children, more children, short gaps between children. These all increase her dependence on you and the loyalty that comes with it. …
If she is marriageable don’t be afraid to make her pregnant before marriage. There is nothing like a baby on the way to increase your bargaining power. … You are helping her by overcoming her female propensity to waste her fertile years on a career, bad boys, and antidepressants.
4) He will insist that you devote all of your time and attention to raising the children that result from his no-contraception or abortion decree.
He will do this in part because he doesn’t want to bother with the hassles of childrearing, and in part because forcing you to be a stay-at-home mother will allow him to restrict your life and control you more effectively:
Being a mother is a full-time job and her first priority. Any work, sport, church, or whatever that she can’t handle just has to go.
He’ll even insist on controlling how long you breastfeed the children:
Breast feeding is good for children and increases her bond with your children, so make her do it for one year. Then make her stop. Otherwise it might delay the next child and make her search for alternatives to being a wife and mother.
5) And last but certainly not least: Because he will rape you.
Under no circumstance can you accept the idea that she gets to choose if or when to satisfy you or choose to sabotage your joint fertility. …
You control the time and frequency of sex, not her. … [A] woman who will deny you sex early on will only use it to gain greater power over you in the long run. …
The obvious exception to this is the first time you have sex. Typically she will control the timing of that for obvious reasons. From the second time onward, any poorly-reasoned denial is a red flag.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure that’s not the real red flag here.
As strongsloth sees it, enforcing these rules will make it impossible for your future wife to ever “stray.”
Just imagine the situation. Wedding. Pregnant. Child born. Full time mother. No career. Breast feeding. Stop breast-feeding. Constant sex. Pregnant again. Repeat. There is little opportunity for her to get away from the children and her commitment to you, let alone consider alternatives to marriage. By the time the youngest child is in school her SMV [Sexual Market Value] relative to yours will have dropped, and you are safer.
You see what I was saying about how hard ROK is trying to become the worst publication in the world?
I couldn’t bring myself to look at the comments.
So is this a trend then? Of “pickup artists” looking through clinical descriptions of sociopaths and sexual predators, and reading articles about how women can tell they are in abusive relationships, and taking notes?
You’re right. Regular readers and contributors to sites like AVFM and RoK should be encouraged to wear their affiliations on their sleeve so women know to stay the f**k away from them.
Isolation, rape, forced motherhood, total dependence – Holy abuse model, Batman.
http://www.domesticviolence.org/violence-wheel/
But Men’s Rights is all about human rights …
It’s just that they don’t see women qualifying as human
Got news for these guys: “sexual market value” is not a thing. I’m close to 60 (and look it, and I wasn’t all that when I was young) and apparently there is still no end to men who flirt and make it apparent that they find me attractive (I am invisible to the young, though, which is fine by me). At this stage, I am pretty sure that I will only ever be single unless I want to be.
No more catcalls, though, THANK DOG.
This is hate speech. Encouraging the enslavement, abuse and rape of women is hate speech. I hope the SPLC is aware of ROK.
Translation: They will help her escape when you start abusing and raping her.
Seriously, why don’t all of the ROK fans just go fight for the Boko Haram?
Oh, that’s right. That would be work and they could get hurt so they just stay behind their keyboards and dream of owning and torturing a woman slave.
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Their views are very Old Testament. Reading this reminds me of my experiences in the Orthodox Jewish community.
So antidepressants are wasted on her before marriage. What about after marriage? Because she’s sure as hell going to need them.
In their minds, 20-something women need antidepressants because they’re not being suffiently dominated by a Strong Man(tm) and duties in the domestic sphere.
That last paragraph, damn. “How to make a woman your prisoner and put her in a situation where even you know she’s miserable and would escape if she could because you’re just that insecure about the idea that she might find other women more appealing than you!”
No, guys, insecurity is not an excuse for being abusive. Any woman who meets a man like this – run while you still can, because at this rate the next piece of advice will be “she can’t run if your chop her legs off, so consider that as an option”.
Or find other men more appealing, rather. The idea that she might find other women more appealing than you is presumably too terrifying for these guys to even contemplate.
I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
Aaaaaand this is why I usually never read the comments: http://www.returnofkings.com/47540/5-lines-that-potential-wives-cannot-cross#comment-1690515279
“There is a remedy for this. You simply ask her (before the wedding) what she thinks should be done to an ungrateful woman who will not submit to her husband and decides to destroy everyone’s lives with a frivolous divorce. Quietly let her answer. When she asks you what you think should be done, you very flatly, without smiling, tell her that the leader and protector of the family – in order to defend the family against destruction- should butcher any threats, foreign or domestic, ending in a murder suicide-spree with the neighbors and/or the cops. Do not smile. Be very serious. If she doesn’t like it, she won’t marry you or you should ‘next’ her.
But she might really like it. Check for moisture, it might be time to get it on!”
Wow.
But totes not a hate site.
By “moisture” he presumably means “tears”, which these guys consider a sign of arousal because their sexual wiring is broken beyond hope of repair.
The only funny side of this is how afraid this PUA writer is. He’s sure that if he does not force a woman to stay with him and be monogamous with him, he’ll be all alone. He’s sure that if she has friends or family, they’ll tell her to leave him. I’ll bet dollars to doughnuts his life experiences have taught him that women do not want him. They have no use for him and would never willingly let him father their children. Their friends and family think he’s scum, because he is scum. Women don’t agree with him, because he’s stupid and could not be trusted to sit the right way on a toilet seat. The only way they will agree with him is if he can force them to and the same is true of sex. He is powerless, lonely and frightened because he knows he’ll never earn respect, companionship or loyalty. He has learned how to abuse women in order to feel power over someone else because in his life, he’s hopeless. That is the only reason he’d want to marry anyway. He wants a prisoner, not a wife. He’s not in control of anything in reality. He knows very little and understands less. No one likes him and he doesn’t have the leadership skills to run a third grade picnic.
You can almost smell his fear when he writes about enslaving a woman. He has this elaborate plan to make her stay and force her into behaving as though he’s the end all be all, because he knows he’s shit.
For the PUSs lurking:
I have fun sexy times with my husband because I want to and it’s fun. 🙂
I’m with him because I want to be.
We have kids together because he’s a great dad.
When we hash how we’re going to do something, I respect his opinions because he’s a smart guy and I trust him.
My family and friends love him almost as much as I do.
That’s how these things work. If you want to be loved, be lovable. If you want to be trusted be trustworthy. This PUA is afraid that he will never be those things. He will never inspire in a woman a yearning to spend her life with him and place her faith in him. Never, because that would mean he’d have to stop being scum and he does not want to change. Change is hard. It requires self reflection. It requires admitting when you are wrong. So, never it is.
Add my voice to the chorus of people saying that if the people who write at & read sites like RoK and AVFM are what society is supposed to consider “real men”, then I am happy to not count myself among their ranks.
Their denial of my “real man”-ness is a compliment.
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This sounds like pretty much every nightmare I’ve ever had, starting at the “marriageable” age of 18. Honestly, jail sounds like the sweet air of freedom compared to this.
Also, “SMV” is not a real thing. And men don’t improve more (or depreciate less) with age relative to women, either. Especially not guys like this. Douchery accumulates over time, and it gets realllllly obvious. An old dirtbag is far less attractive than a young dirtbag, DIRTBAG.
Ah yes. First threaten murder, then digitally rape her. MRA foreplay!
Amen.
I’ve never wanted to give lady sex a try, but if my choice was between this guy and a woman, I’d cross that river with a quickness.
Seriously, “get away from”? These guys know that we know that they know that this phrasing means that they’re already aware that any woman who saw them for who they really were would run away screaming, right? Apparently they think that the mask is successfully hiding the monster underneath, but sorry, guys, we can still see your horns poking out.
Here’s a fact-based exchange from the geniuses over there, in defense of only marrying virgins:
Bye the way, in my experience the best response to men who say appalling things like this irl is to give them a look like one of the ones proxieme helpfully inserted above and say “What’s wrong with you?”.
@ Chevrolet
Wait, did someone seriously suggest that accents are produced via epigenetics?