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Can the Julien Blanc problem be solved with … more patriarchy? One misogynistic douchebag says yes.

Patriarchy: Also good for protection against hell lizards.
Patriarchy: Also good for protection against hell lizards.

One favorite tool in the misogynist’s toolkit is the old “if women want to be protected from violent men it proves they need patriarchy” argument. It’s a rather silly argument, but those making it tend to do so with enormous smugness, feeling that they’ve got the ultimate “gotcha” to use against feminists.

Cast in point: A post today on Roosh V’s reliably horrendous Return of Kings blog arguing that, as its title puts it, “#TakeDownJulienBlanc Shows Feminists Need The Patriarchy To Protect Them.” Never mind that the woman-led campaign against the abusive pickup artist seems to be doing pretty well already.

“Well feminists, I’ve been waiting for this a long time, and it’s finally come,” the ROK contributor who calls himself runsonmagic writes. “I’ve been waiting for the day you’d ask us to bring back patriarchy.”

He’s so obviously and so extravagantly pleased with himself here you could probably see his smug grin from space.

His “smoking gun?” A comment that #TakeDownJulienBlanc organizer Jenn Li made in a video about the campaign she started.

Describing the video in which Blanc told a room of tittering men that the best way to pick up women in Japan is by literally grabbing them while shouting “Pikachu,” she wonders aloud why women should be put in the position of having to defend themselves against being assaulted by socially stunted wannabe PUAs.

Or, as she puts it,

The responsibility shouldn’t be on the women. It should be on these nasty ass men.

That is, she thinks that the “nasty ass men” in Blanc’s audience giggling at his stories about assaulting women should have enough self-control to, you know, not grab women they don’t know and put them in headlocks because some creepy “dating” guru tells them it’s a good idea. That sounds pretty reasonable to me, as I suspect it does for most non-nasty-ass men.

But runsonmagic decides that what Li is really saying is that she

doesn’t want to fight her her own battles. She wants a men [sic] to protect her. And she isn’t alone. Many of the #TakeDownJulienBlanc tweets echo the same sentiment. Why aren’t men stopping men like this?

His conclusion: “Feminists Need Patriarchy To Save Them From Julien Blanc.”

Filling in the rest of runsonmagic’s post is a bit like playing connect the dots; you pretty much can tell what the picture is going to look like by just glancing at it.

He begins with an idealized vision of patriarchy in which men are the wise protectors of their women.

It used to be if a man was abusing or harassing women, the older men of that community would get together and teach the young man a lesson. Fathers in particular would teach their sons to be respectful of women. This system of men maintaining order was known as patriarchy. The word patriarch literally means rule by fathers.

Now, in the absence of patriarchy and male organizations, women only have ineffective government organizations, Twitter, and change.org petitions to turn to.

Huh. Men have access to all these things too. And the women, men and everyone else involved in #TakeDownJulienBlanc has been doing a pretty good job of making use of the tools that are open to all of us in democratic societies.

Apparently forgetting that he has been mocking feminist women for relying on men for protection, runsonmagic takes a few swipes at Li for talking about defending herself from assault with a taser.

Are you so frightened of men that you carry a weapon at all times? Or is this just a violent power fantasy you indulge in, in the absence of any real power? You live in Washington D.C. If you don’t feel safe walking the streets in the city with the most government of any place in the world, who can you turn to for protection?

Uh, possibly the police? The people we pay with our taxes to ostensibly “serve and protect” us from crime?

Yes, proud patriarch, most police officers are men. Is this proof that women need “patriarchy” to protect them? No more than the fact that most teachers are women means that men need matriarchy in order to be educated.

But to runsonmagic

#TakeDownJulienBlanc is a cry for help, a damsel in distress trope.

Oh lord, is runsonmagic a #GamerGater too?

I say this not to be mean, because I truly want each and every woman tweeting that to feel safe and secure, but because I believe what will make those women most secure is being surrounded by strong men, who’ve been raised by their fathers to behave honorably and justly. Patriarchy is what make women feel safe, which is why survey after survey says that conservative married women are the most happy and sexually satisfied demographic in America.

This is a favorite argument of patriarchy (and marriage)  fetishists, but it’s not that simple. The study often cited as proof that married women are safer than single women also notes that the safest demographic of all is … widows.

So instead of arguing that women who want to feel safe should run out and marry the first guy who seems interested, perhaps the marriage-promoters should be arguing that women should marry and then, er, somehow have their husbands die?

These dark speculations aside, study after study after study after study find that domestic violence rates tend to be highest amongst those with traditional – that is, patriarchal – values, as I pointed out in a previous post. Blanc’s own behavior towards women seems to be rooted, at least in part, by the notion that in some fundamental way their bodies belong to him to do with what he pleases. That’s a pretty patriarchal idea.

But runsonmagic has moved on, declaring (based on nothing but speculation) that Julien Blanc’s seemingly sociopathic behavior must be the fault of his mother, whom runsonmagic has simply decided was single. Noting Blanc’s evident delight that he was able to assault multiple Japanese women and get away scott-free, runsonmagic writes

“I didn’t know how much I could get away with,” is the voice of a child who was never taught boundaries. It is the voice of a child who never had a father to teach him right from wrong, or to give him meaningful challenges by which to discover the limits and abilities of his own powers. …

I have no doubt that Julien is relishing much of the controversy that surrounds him now. No one would give him attention when he was a fatherless young man who wanted girls to talk to him, and now he’s got his own hashtag. …

When I see Julien, I don’t see a monster. Julien is what men become when they are raised by only women, and told women’s attention is what defines their worth.

I tried to find evidence of Blanc’s alleged “fatherlessness,” but was only able to find evidence that there was a famous French “romancier” by the name of  Julien Blanc  who was fatherless. And apparently motherless, too, after the age of eight. They’re definitely not the same guy, as the older Blanc died in 1951. Presumably the current douchebag “romancier” calling himself Julien Blanc borrowed his name from the dead guy.

If feminists truly wanted to #TakeDownJulienBlanc and keep men like him from ever becoming a problem again, they would make sure their sons grew up with fathers who were present active parts of their life. They would give attention to men they respect, rather than only engaging men who choke them and call them “dog.” And they would encourage the men in their lives to band together and lead their communities.

Or they could, you know, organize on the internet to shut down Blanc’s venues and get him tossed out of the countries he tries to bring his toxic teachings – and behavior – to. So far, that’s been working.

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NonServiam
7 years ago

Yeah, I assumed someone would come out with this nonsense.

reiko
reiko
7 years ago

Honestly it looks like his entire rant is premised on his worldview-skewed misunderstanding of what she meant when she said “nasty ass men.” He lives in a bizarro world where of course a feminist thinks all men are nasty ass. He can’t fathom that NO SHE IS TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT DBAG MEN LIKE PUAs AND YOU. She’s talking about self-responsibility, something he clearly lacks.

Kane Thari
7 years ago

I honestly do not get the whole “men who don’t respect women are the ones without fathers to teach them boundaries argument.” You would think that their mothers would also teach their sons and have a better perspective on that, being, you know, women. Then again, his entire argument is based on insane troll logic. He seems to be saying that women need patriarchy to defend them, but if the women *gasp* have means to defend themselves, it’s just a power fantasy for them. And living in a chivalrous patriarchal society isn’t?

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

You live in Washington D.C. If you don’t feel safe walking the streets in the city with the most government of any place in the world, who can you turn to for protection?

He’s proven that he has no working knowledge of D.C. Just because the seat of government is there, doesn’t mean it works for the residents of D.C.. There’s a reason their license plates say “taxation without representation.”

Also, that city lead the nation in murders at one point not all that long ago.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
7 years ago

Tell it to me straight, David. How many of those True Men magazine covers involve a burly man fending off attacks from the random animal of the day, defending an attractive blonde woman in a swamp? All of them? Is it all of them?

OT:

As always, it’s these dudes who exemplify misandry. What, men couldn’t possibly treat women with respect unless those women were his property? I also continue to find the constant obsession with declaring that feminists are anti-father baffling.

#TakeDownJulienBlanc is a cry for help, a damsel in distress trope.

No, it’s a recognition that the people in the best position to stop harassment of women are the people who harass women.

Fnoicby
Fnoicby
7 years ago

Yes, this totes happened because women only engage with men who choke them and call them “dog”.

:/

*shakes fist violently at women*

aebars
7 years ago

David would you mind me asking how much time you put into researching stuff and writing about it for this website? You just seem so prolific, pumping out around two articles per day.

lordpabu
lordpabu
7 years ago

This runsonmagic guy is just full of it. Having a number of patriarchal men in my life did me absolutely no favors, and not only did those men fail to make me feel safe, but they often made it clear they were public enemy #1 in my life and I had no way to get away from them. But of course my mother was dating them, so that was her fault, right? Never mind the fact that my father was dead by the time I was thirteen and my mother’s father died when I was twelve, the latter being a patriarch who was actually quite fond of me. See, the problem with allowing patriarchal men to be the sole defenders of women from other aggressive patriarchal men is that the women in the equation are SOL if something happens to the very few patriarchs who are on their side. This is because patriarchal men only care about women they are directly related to and tend to be kind of shitty to all the rest.

Not that my grandpa was one of those. I loved my grandpa, and he favored his granddaughters over his grandsons. Clearly he’s not the stereotype that runsonmagic is thinking of.

Then there was my close cousin Mark, who was abused so terribly by his stepfather (another one of those patriarchal assholes) that I am still scarred for life just from being in the vicinity of some of those episodes and feeling completely unable to protect him. Not because I’m a woman, but because I was seven when I saw that shit firsthand for the first time. That wasn’t something I could solve by hitting people the way I would other children if they were being awful to me or my friends. Adults are giants to seven year olds, and scary ones at that.

All in all, my mother was much better to my sister and I when she wasn’t dating anyone (she had a thing for asshole patriarchal types who would take the parenting responsibilities off her hands). I’m sure this would make it easy to blame her for what happened to me, at least for guys like runsonmagic, but I recognize that she was conditioned by the patriarchal men she was surrounded by growing up to feel like she wasn’t equipped to raise children on her own. Runsonmagic himself is a perpetrator of that shitty attitude, so he doesn’t get to rip on women who follow his own logic.

Anyway, I’m still feeling nauseous from election results (Wisconsinite and veteran recall activist here) so I’m just going to lay down for a while…

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
7 years ago

@Fnoicby:

It’s not like you can really avoid “engaging” with someone who has you by the throat anyway.

Bina
Bina
7 years ago

“Well feminists, I’ve been waiting for this a long time, and it’s finally come,” the ROK contributor who calls himself runsonmagic writes. “I’ve been waiting for the day you’d ask us to bring back patriarchy.”

Well, runs-on-stoopid, I guess you’re going to have to keep on waiting till moss grows out your ears, because you will never hear that from ANY feminist.

It used to be if a man was abusing or harassing women, the older men of that community would get together and teach the young man a lesson. Fathers in particular would teach their sons to be respectful of women. This system of men maintaining order was known as patriarchy. The word patriarch literally means rule by fathers.

Only the last sentence is true, and stoopid left the y off “patriarchy”. The rest, however, is 180 fucking degrees removed from the reality of what patriarchy has been for us since its inception: namely, the “older men of the community” teaching the younger ones how to abuse and harass women. Fathers have been telling their sons that “no means yes” since forever. And who would know all that better than these disingenuous fucking PUAs, who are trying to rake in money doing just that?

I say this not to be mean, because I truly want each and every woman tweeting that to feel safe and secure

Bull-fucking-SHIT. PUAs make it a veritable profession to make women unsafe and insecure! What the hell else is all this “negging” and “relationship game” that we’ve been hearing so much about? What the fuck is “rape game”, fergawdsakes? This dude is being nothing BUT mean.

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS “BENEVOLENT” PATRIARCHY. It is ALL malevolent.

If these guys really want what’s best for women, they wouldn’t be PUAs. They wouldn’t be assholes. They wouldn’t be playing head games on us. And they sure as hell wouldn’t be writing windy screeds on their shitty blogs as to how best to do that, either.

contrapangloss
7 years ago

True confession:

Sometimes, I actually want to find articles from the “True Men Stories” Magazine. I’m sure I would bust a gut laughing.

Watch out for our Next Issue: When DUCKLINGS turn UGLY.

(Cute ducklings, acting menacing)

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

I LOLd at the “American Men Are Unfit For Married Love” on the cover. MISANDRY!

Randomavatar
Randomavatar
7 years ago

One entitled asshole claiming his version of entitlement is the better option compared to another’s equally appalling entitlement!

Nobody Wins! Yay!

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

I read this while making the same facial expression as the woman in the comic with the green lizard monkey otter creatures. Combination of WTF and ew.

Let me explain this in nice, simple, MRA-friendly language. When a woman says that nasty-ass men should stop harassing women, she doesn’t mean “save me, kind sir!” she means “stop being such a fucking creep, you asshole”. It’s not an appeal for protection, it’s a demand that the men being addressed stop being assholes. No intermediary, just straight-up telling them to stop doing what they’re doing. Remember how when you were a little kid your mom would say “stop torturing the neighbor’s cat/trying to grope your little sister/peeing all over the rug”? That’s what she’s doing.

She doesn’t want your help, or your protection. What she wants is to never have to interact with anyone like you again, and she’s not alone.

TL;DR – You’re not people who anyone would ever turn to for protection, you’re the people who other people sometimes need protection from. Not because they’re women, but because they’re decent human beings, rather than rabid shitweasels like you and your buddies.

Now get off Jenn’s lawn.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

Also, anecdote not data and all, but the most respectful towards women men I’ve met have all been much closer to their moms than their dads, and several of them grew up with single mothers. No father at all has less of a negative impact on a boy than a father who teaches him to view women as ambulatory fucktoys.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
7 years ago

49 deadly virgins? Where can I find and read this story? LOL

Samuel Schmitt
7 years ago

Every time I read things like this on this web site, my head hurts because of all the aneurysms and all the veins on my head that burst such stupidity and assholery trigger on my poor self. David, how do you manage to not be consumed by anger and despair ?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

I’m now regretting being less deadly as a virgin. I didn’t enslave anyone, really fell behind on the job.

Also, San Diego Pacific Passion Port? Clearly San Diego was a lot more exciting back then than it is now.

freemage
7 years ago

Samuel Schmitt: As longtime readers know, David prevents being consumed by rage by being all of us, and also a bunch of cats in a humansuit. This provides the necessary emotional distance from the toxic swill he dredges up.

And those magazine covers… magnificent in their purity.

contrapangloss
7 years ago

freemage: correction. David is ferrets in catsuits in a david suit. And all of us.

Do keep up.

🙂

Bina
Bina
7 years ago

Also, anecdote not data and all, but the most respectful towards women men I’ve met have all been much closer to their moms than their dads, and several of them grew up with single mothers. No father at all has less of a negative impact on a boy than a father who teaches him to view women as ambulatory fucktoys.

It may be anecdata, but there’s still something to that. No dominant male influence = no negative male influence.

And the supposed need for positive male influences is often overstated and twisted out of shape by the Fathers’ Rightzers. More often than not, those guys are the very kind that teach sons to abuse and daughters to be abused. When they’re not neglecting their child support payments out of sheer spite, that is…

Shitty male behavior is not inborn, after all — it’s learned. And it has to be learned from somebody.

Tired Texan
Tired Texan
7 years ago

This is like throwing yourself on the mercy of the court because you’re an orphan during your trial for killing your parents. The menz, they creates the danger to the wymmnz, so they can save the wymmnz from danger.

Like the GOP asking for votes to fix the deadlock in Congress.

This logic is so tricksy I’m spinning.

Mia Jessica
Mia Jessica
7 years ago

Those lurid mags are straight up AMAZING. I love them.

runsonmagic owes me for the pain and suffering caused by my repeated gigantic eyerolls reading his nonsense.

Sarah
Sarah
7 years ago

I know this guy’s reasoning may look like it doesn’t have any logic, historical base or empirical support. You may be thinking that it is contradictory for the whole ROK-Roosh-PUA gang to care about women and try to get them all conservative-wifey and wanting to be protective and respectful, when they are pioneers in the whole creepy-rapey-predatory business, and denigrate those they call sluts.

But ya see, it all makes perfect sense for those man-brains:

The thing is, these dudes have been riding the alpha-vag carousel for a few years, and now they’ve hit the wall: their charms are gone, they’re all used up and and their biological clocks are ticking. They’ve realised the only women that would stick with them are beta traditional wives so they’re now desperate to get one to settle down have kids and be ‘patriarchs’ because what’s left of them is no good for anything else.

freemage
7 years ago

contrapangloss | November 7, 2014 at 4:53 pm

freemage: correction. David is ferrets in catsuits in a david suit. And all of us.

Do keep up.
🙂

D’oh! Even as I was typing it, I had the feeling there should be ferrets in there, but I couldn’t quite remember their place n the scheme of things. I apologize to our playbitey overlords. (*Wonders if new adoptee tabby is actually a ferret in a catsuit, actually–he is a bit too fond of play-bites.)

Sarah
Sarah
7 years ago

Now back to reality the most respectful, interesting and caring men I’ve met were real feminists (two of them were the longest relationships I’ve had, because feminism is sexy) raised by smart, hard working women with very strong personalities (some of them single some of them divorced or married). I would feel very safe with them not because I needed their protection, but because I wasn’t at all afraid of them.

The most misogynist guy I’ve met had a conservative submissive wife as a mother and he had learned to denigrate women by throwing actual ‘go make me a sammich’ commands to her. Last thing I heard of him was, an ex-girlfriend of his was terrified he’d find her and get violent. Ah, he was a gamer too.

zoon echon logon
zoon echon logon
7 years ago

Julien is what men become when they are raised by only women, and told women’s attention is what defines their worth.

Right. The ROK crowd certainly doesn’t define the worth of men by how much attention they get from women. Not at all. No sir. /s

I once heard a libertarian proposal for environmental protection; privatize the environment. If every natural thing was owned by someone, then those owners would be sure to protect their stream/forest/air! This is a dumb idea for a lot of reasons. Runonsentence’s proposal seems similar; if every woman was owned by a man, then her owner would protect his property. This is one of those things that’s so wrong on every level that it’s difficult to know where to start criticizing it.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
7 years ago

Sometimes the True Adventure takes place in a jungle or a desert. Diversity, dontcha know.

The ads in the back are even creepier than the stories.

kittehserf - MOD
7 years ago

(*Wonders if new adoptee tabby is actually a ferret in a catsuit, actually–he is a bit too fond of play-bites.)

Are there going to be pictures of new tabby, freemage? 🙂

As to “bring back patriarchy” – pfffft these fuckers would never admit that patriarchy never went away.

weirwoodtreehugger
7 years ago

“Well feminists, I’ve been waiting for this a long time, and it’s finally come,” the ROK contributor who calls himself runsonmagic writes. “I’ve been waiting for the day you’d ask us to bring back patriarchy.”

You’ll be waiting a while so don’t hold your breath.

Actually, do hold your breath. Maybe then you’ll pass out and the world will be spared from your drivel for a bit.

sorceressensorcelled
sorceressensorcelled
7 years ago

“The thing is, these dudes have been riding the alpha-vag carousel for a few years, and now they’ve hit the wall: their charms are gone, they’re all used up and and their biological clocks are ticking. They’ve realised the only women that would stick with them are beta traditional wives so they’re now desperate to get one to settle down have kids and be ‘patriarchs’ because what’s left of them is no good for anything else.”

Sarah… You win. Everything.

zennurse
zennurse
7 years ago

Hi everyone
I feel like a photographic negative of the things these idiots hold up as their great war.
I’m a woman who was raised by a father. My mom was very sick from when I was 6 and died when I was 11. My dad remarried but she died after 2 years so he was my total constnat till he died when I was 21.
My marriage ended because my husband was screwing the babysitter/our friend. Because this felt like the end of the world, I stupidly left and within months he moved my kids to another state. I paid child support and drove to meet them halfway every other Friday evening for pickup in a fucking McDonalds parking lot and went back on Sunday night to give them back. I did that for 7 years until I got custody of my younger son who wanted to live with me; his brother was in high school and wanted to finish there. He ended up leaving his fathers house senior year and living with a friends family because his father was an asshole. After my son came to live with me, I never saw a cent of child support. He went to school to be an art teacher; one judge asked him it it wasn’t time to get a real job and support his children.

My ex was a “family man” and shoved that in my face at every opportunity. He allowed his stepchildren to abuse and bully my younger son who was obese in his early school years; both boys believed this was to keep the peace with his wife.
I was referred to as “bitch” in their household.

When my son learned he had cancer, the first words out of his mouth, literally, were,” I don’t want my father involved”.

So shit happens and you do the best you can. My surviving son has a long distance relationship with his father now but he moved across the country for 10 years to be away from the whole mess. Having a father to teach him how to be a man did not benefit him at all, he has said so, it was an example of who not to be.

I get really irate at these MRAs and father’s righters who think they are the oppressed. It is so fucking self-involved!!! My father didn’t want to be a single father of three kids, I sure didn’t want to be a noncustodial mom. But rather than whining about it and blaming women, why don’t they set an example for their kids by doing what’s right

End of rant

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
7 years ago

Shitty male behavior is not inborn, after all — it’s learned. And it has to be learned from somebody.

You’ve got to be taught
To hate and fear,
You’ve got to be taught
From year to year,
It’s got to be drummed
In your dear little ear
You’ve got to be carefully taught.
— Oscar Hammerstein II

freemage
7 years ago

kittehserf: At some point, yes. Right now, we’re mostly just trying to get him and the other tabby, a lady of advanced years (at least ten!) to tolerate one another without loud growly noises.

Mike
Mike
7 years ago

OK, so I’ll admit I was curious about this tidbit from runsonmagic:

“Patriarchy is what make women feel safe, which is why survey after survey says that conservative married women are the most happy and sexually satisfied demographic in America.”

Futrelle already dismantled the bit about overall safety, but what about the sexual satisfaction stuff? Well, I quickly glanced at the links, and from what I can tell – it seems like the two studies runsonmagic linked to say pretty much nothing to prove his point. I didn’t do a super-close read, but these are both studies of sexual satisfaction amongst heterosexual couples: the first one seems to be entirely of married couples, and the second one, unmarried couples; in other words, neither study actually compares sexual satisfaction among married couples to that of unmarried couples. And, the second study says clearly that women with liberal politics experience greater sexual satisfaction; the first study (the one actually on married couples) doesn’t seem to mention political affiliation at all.

So, like I said, I just did a quick skim, but whatever data supposedly supports his ‘conservative married women are the most sexually satisfied’ bit, well, I didn’t see it.

FifthInterval
7 years ago

Li: “Skeezy men should stop assaulting women.”

Magic: “You’re saying you need other men to stop them for you.”

Um, no, moron, that’s not even close to what she said.

Zolnier
Zolnier
7 years ago

The thing about these guys is they’ll claim every positive or neutral interaction between a man and a woman is somehow “protection”. Woman marries a man, he’s protecting her, woman’s accountant happens to be a man, protection, two lesbians have a child via a sperm donor, well they couldn’t do that without a man could they? Woman firefighter pulls a man out of a burning people while simultaneously curing his back problems, he’s protecting her job security.

zennurse
zennurse
7 years ago

Awwwww, that’s so cute!!

Thanks, kittehserf.

You see why I have no patience for these brats.

kittehserf - MOD
7 years ago

How long have you had new tabby, freemage? It can take quite a while.

kittehserf - MOD
7 years ago

zennurse, yes indeed I can.

Oh, freemage, Fribbie says “She’s just a child!” about your senior tabby lady. (Fribs is 19.)

😉

wordsp1nner
wordsp1nner
7 years ago

Hahaha… speaking of tabbies, my own tabby decided my lap is an excellent place to me, and now typing is difficult. (ETA: FUCKING CHARTER called me and scared him off. Assholes. But now he’s back.)

But yeah, the whole “women expecting to go out in public without being harassed are asking for patriarchy” is so… so protection racket. Men should be able to go out in public without being mugged, and if they are, the police are expected to take it seriously, but women want to go out without being choked by a stranger? Only if you consent to being owned. By a man who probably won’t let you out anyway (after all, there are strange men on the streets).

kittehserf - MOD
7 years ago

Even if we’re out with our owners, plenty of scumbags will decide that owner isn’t ALPHA!!! enough and still try shit on.

They also blithely ignore the owners who are themselves the abusive scumbags.

Kitties running (or sitting) interference – I made the fatal error of having Fribs up for a shoulder-level cuddle while on the couch a couple of weeks back. Within a day it had become an Olde Traditione and sitting on my lap just wasn’t good enough, especially if I was knitting. Nope, put those needles down and cuddle me, right now.

weirwoodtreehugger
7 years ago

Mike,
Then there’s the fact that self reports have some built in unreliability. A conservative and traditional woman will have been conditioned to believe that women aren’t sexual beings themselves but merely the gatekeepers. It wouldn’t occur to some of them to want more then whatever they’re getting from their husbands.

I’m not one to tell a person they aren’t truly happy because their definition of happiness doesn’t match mine or anything. Just pointing out that satisfaction is subjective and different for everyone so it’s hard to survey a bunch of people with different values and lifestyles and conclude that one type of lifestyle is better than the other.

mildlymagnificent
7 years ago

But yeah, the whole “women expecting to go out in public without being harassed are asking for patriarchy” is so… so protection racket.

Oh my dog! I just had a vision of the classic movie bad guys. Two guys with baseball bats saying “Nice business you’ve got here. Be a shame if anything happened to it.” Walking straight over to a woman customer at the establishment saying “Nice body you’ve got there. Be a shame if anything happened … “

Bina
Bina
7 years ago

You’ve got to be taught
To hate and fear,
You’ve got to be taught
From year to year,
It’s got to be drummed
In your dear little ear
You’ve got to be carefully taught.
— Oscar Hammerstein II

Oh! I love that song. So very much:

(Actually, ALL of South Pacific is excellent. And very far ahead of its time.)

kittehserf - MOD
7 years ago

Brain bleach! Pardus the black leopard sees a favourite person.

http://youtu.be/NWuFoPguAlE

I want that job!

Kim
Kim
7 years ago

He could have just bleated “I don’t know what patriachy is” 100 times and said the same thing.

katz
7 years ago

Aw, I want to cuddle a leopard.

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