So everyone’s favorite reactionary racist woman-hating fantasy author Vox Day has weighed in on that street harassment video that’s been going around. And his comments will shock you.
At least if you’re easily shocked and have never read any of my previous posts about him.
It’s not exactly a surprise that Vox thinks that street harassment isn’t really harassment, just a bunch of “unsolicited compliments and greetings” from friendly fellows.
But Vox does have one criticism of the non-harassers. They’re not doing it right.
Specifically, they’re being too nice to the women they’re pestering.
The ironic thing is that these men have it all wrong anyhow. They’d be much more likely to get a response from her if they glanced at her and laughed, rolled their eyes, or sniffed dismissively. Street neg, one might say.
So ladies, if you’re walking down the street and some angry weirdo sniffs dismissively in your direction, don’t be surprised if you suddenly feel a strong urge to bear his children. Because sniffing dismissively is a total Alpha move.
Vox’s regular commenters had a few thoughts of their own.
“The more we ignore them, the more they want us. Amusing creatures,” Laguna Feach Fogey sniffed dismissively.
“The day the catcalls finally stop will be far more traumatic for her than the catcalls have been,” Retrenched laughed.
“The poor thing ! but in a couple of decades she will be sexually invisible and all her problems will be solved,” PjBlue added, rolling his eyes dramatically.
Several others suggested that the woman in the sexual harassment video brought it on herself by dressing like a harlot … in a t-shirt and jeans.
“In other words,” cailcorishev wrote,
clothes that show off every curve of her body to greatest effect, so that everyone who sees her can tell from a mile away just how large and perky her goodies are. If her great-grandmother could see her, she’d be scandalized that she’s going outside practically naked.
Today I Learned that wearing clothes that cover up most of your body is the same as going outside practically naked.
Jimmy jambo offered the woman some style tips.
You’re supposed to wear baggy clothes and a hoodie so no one can see your face. I suppose this is what regular women face, but the world has already changed. Men are not required to be polite to women as in chivalry so catcalls are no different than name calling.
Wait, what?
He actually called her a damsel in distress and I pointed out that were she in distress as he would like to believe she would not still be doing this. Which is me not knowing how words work apparently. Because troll logic.
This bit set my brain in a jumble. Did North American and/or European governments enforce chivalry requirements before feminism made it clear women don’t deserve to have nice things? It was gentlemen abound back in the day, but no Victorian niceties for today’s ungrateful females.
Oh. My. GAWD!
So THIS explains why they’re still not leaving me alone, even though I’m well past 40, often very baggily and unsexily dressed, and minding my own damn business all the time! Because every time somebody catcalls, honks or whistles at me, I tend to do that very thing, and maybe even flip him the bird for good measure! What a nightmare to find out that my “piss off” gestures are actually…A PUA NEG.
Oy, the shame of it all. Why did my mom never teach me this???
I have a hoodie that I jokingly refer to as my “pick-up hoodie” because I have scored a perplexing number of guys and gals alike wearing it. It isn’t even anything special–a slightly baggy taupe-colored thing with a knit brown and white stripe pattern on the inside of the hood. There’s even a small hole over one boob, the zipper broke aeons ago, and there’s a permanent triangular-shaped bit of epoxy on one sleeve. Yet somehow, I get hit on more in this thing than when I wear lace, low-cut shirts, tight jeans, short skirts, or even my dominatrix-y boots.
I also get hit on a lot more when I don’t wear makeup. At least anecdotally, these guys’ fashion tips are so invalid. I really don’t think they know any real women (which is a fucking relief).
I heartily endorse Vox “except that he can’t actually construct Latin” Day’s suggestions that men cease catcalling and demanding women’s attention. If instead they sniff and roll their eyes and turn away, that will work much better for me. Men sniffing and rolling and ignoring me are a big improvement. Yay!
Here’s an explanation of “vibrant”, in comments of this page: https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/03/31/meet-the-enriching-vibrants-and-a-bunch-of-plain-old-racists/comment-page-2/#comments
Scroll down, it is explained there.
The only cat calling that we like
http://tinablogsalot.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/lolz.jpg
Yeah, that tired ol’ “wear baggy, non-revealing clothes if you don’t wanna be catcalled” sh*t? I agree with SF author Sheri Tepper: “The lustful who punish beauty would be wiser to control lust.” Oh wait though; the words “wise[r]” and “control”? Not anything these guys are equipped to handle.
I’m confused by the manosphere’s regular references to chivalry. Anybody with even a little knowledge of history knows that chivalry amounted to “upper class men putting women of their own class or higher on a nice, confining pedestal while sexually exploiting the maid.”
Are they completely ignorant of this? Do they buy chivalry’s press releases? Or are they once again focused on a tiny group of women who have a kind of privilege, only not really, while ignoring the rest of the world?
Is it ever. I was once hit on by Darren McCarty when he was still with the Belleville Bulls. He skated right up and banged on the glass right in front of my nose. I wasn’t impressed then, and not later when he went to Detroit, either. Gee! It’s almost like being a big-time hockey player doesn’t make any difference at all!
Rosin chimes in
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/10/29/catcalling_video_hollaback_s_look_at_street_harassment_in_nyc_edited_out.html
And yes, I’d love to take a call from an actual cat. Especially a shiny black beauty like that one, Fruitloopsie!
I hate that the internet has given these people a place to gather. Maybe congeal is a better word for them.
I get a lot of catcalls just walking out my door, but that’s because we feed three ferals, and they know I’m the one to target for extra goodies. That kind of catcalling is just what I like from my three furry little men 🙂
This has hit the front page of MSN. Color me shocked that most of the comments are blaming the woman who filmed it or the MOC who “don’t know how to act” in society. I’ll be over in the corner hiding out with some pumpkin ice cream if anyone wants to join me.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/woman-receives-rape-threats-after-recording-10-hours-of-harassment-in-new-york/ar-BBbTnFO
Thanks (I guess?) for the information about vibrants! That is pretty despicable.
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OT sorry but wanted you to check out the event for #carrythatweight going on internationally. I still can’t link (Grrrrrrrrrrrrr) but it is on Huffington post. This is the sexual assault awareness campaign started by Emily S who carried her mattress around campus. The photos brought tears and those are on Twitter. All around the world.
On topic, I am so grateful to live in a tiny coastal New England town that is populated by tourists in summer and for leaf peeping but is blissfully quiet the rest of the year. We dont see much of this. I am also one of those “worn out old ladies” they like to mock, too, so no “game” for me. Boohoo. /s/
I think a great response to these assholes would be to laugh and point which is what they deserve but the that might, in their mind, justify violence.
The comics today have been priceless, many thanks.
I said Emily, I meant Emma!
‘Tis the season, I think, to acquire and play Costume Quest if you haven’t already. it’s Halloween-themed, completely adorable, designed by a woman (Tasha Harris), and even a self-admitted twitch-game klutz like me can handle the maneuvering and combat (except for a tutorial on how one function works– weirdly, you never use one costume’s speed mode for outracing anything ever in the game, but that’s what the tutorial is, and it’s kind of annoying).
There’s a Costume Quest 2 came out this year as well!
I wonder if it counts as negging to shout f-off at these guys. I think so, out of experience, it just makes them more vocal.
It is dangerous for women and girls to respond in any way to men who are indulging themselves in these public displays of dominance. Toxic masculinity is dangerous, and this is one aspect of it.
In my experience thebewilderness is right. When I call out street harassers they tend to get worse. The last time the dude stayed on the scene making obscene comments about me even after I had left. Someone who witnessed it all came to find me and said “He’s still saying shit about you, now that you’re gone.”
Well that video is basically a bigot’s wet dream. You’ve got MoC, you’ve got a woman in it doing anything at all and a criticism of male behaviour. If you’re a racist, misogynistic dumbass, then this video is their grand trifecta.