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Angry GamerGaters Telling Brianna Wu to Shut Up and Make Games, Not Realizing That's Already Her Job

Screenshot from Revolution 60, the game with women in it that Brianna Wu already made
Revolution 60, the game with women in it that Brianna Wu already made, dudes!

When women, in conversations online,  point out the ridiculously tiny percentage of video games that feature women as protagonists, they tend to get flooded with responses from indignant gamebros telling them that if they don’t like the games out there, they should just make their own.

The gamebros mean their comments to be conversation-enders. Just as Vivian James, #GamerGate’s imaginary girlfriend, tells game critics to “shut up and play,” these guys are telling critics of the retrograde gender politics in gaming to “shut up and make games.”

It never occurs to them that some of the women they smugly tell this to … might already be doing this.

One of the more entertaining aspects of following the Twitter account of much-harassed game developer Brianna Wu — known in #GamerGate circles as Literally Who 3 —  is watching clueless gamebros try this “argument” on her.

The whole thread is here if you’d like to see what an unpleasant fellow this Simon Wood really is.

Oh, but there’s more:

WU1

 

It never ends:

 

neverends

 

Of course, some of her, er, critics seem to realize that she already makes games. But somehow this doesn’t keep them from yelling at her to make games anyway.

https://twitter.com/mchugepants/status/524445877398544384

Others demand that she start making GOOD GAMES.

https://twitter.com/BABPEEGTWO/status/525769579595718656

(Huh. Seems like a decent number of people think the game she just releaased is good.)

And this demanding GamerGater wants to know why she doesn’t make MORE games.

 

moregames

Oh. That.

This guy apparently thinks that instead of criticizing the game industry, Wu should be personally training a new generation of girls to make games.

It must be hard to find time to make games with all these dudes yelling at her to make games. And then yelling at her more when she does.

 

 

 

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Misha
Misha
5 years ago

Hrm, I don’t really know what to make of that post. At first I thought it was supposed to be ‘digging-at-GG’s-notions-of-SJWs’ kind of funny and failing miserably. But yeah, now looks more like a crap gotcha attempt.

Shiraz
Shiraz
5 years ago

I thought Anita’s appearance on Colbert’s show was fantastic. I’m not surprised they’re frothing, Kootie. Also, for a bunch of self-described nerds, they seem so very stupid. Satire? Spoof? A gamerbro does not know what these things are.

Pocket Nerd
Pocket Nerd
5 years ago
Reply to  NickNameNick

Thus Spake ZaraNickNameNick:

I wouldn’t be surprised if these same people who were FREEZE PEACH absolutists – who, ironically, see anyone disagreeing with them as “censorship.”

Oh yes. Ohhh yes. For that matter, I’ve seen gamergrotz denounce Adobe’s condemnation of them as OMG CENSORSHIP, while praising Intel’s withdrawal from Gamasutra as yet another Trumph Of The Free Market™.

I see “FREE SPEECH!” abused so much by reactionaries, would-be theocrats, and other smug gitz on the internet that I’m seriously tempted to put up a website correcting common misconceptions about it. For example:Free speech does not imply anybody is required to give you a platform or a megaphone. Any given blog is perfectly entitled to delete comments at will, for any reason or for no reason. The blog owner has zero legal or constitutional obligation to provide a forum for you. Likewise, a corporation is not “censoring” you by refusing to endorse your positions.
Free speech does not require others to listen. A person who blocks you from her Facebook page because she’s tired of arguing with you is not taking away your free speech.
Free speech does not mean nobody is allowed to criticize the things you say. You are not being silenced, oppressed, or persecuted when somebody else replies with “You’re wrong, and here’s why…”

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

you play as a fat black lesbian who goes around telling fedora-clad gamergaters, MRAs, Nice Guys, white nationalists, objectivists, Tea Partiers, et. al. to check their privilege instead of shooting them, which causes them to scream and foam at the mouth before their heads explode?

aebars,
I like that you pointed out that women aren’t shooting men for rejecting them or even harassing and terrorizing them. Women aren’t threatening to blow schools up over Youtube videos. You definitely grasp the different axes of power and the disparity in reaction between the different sides of this issue. GG is all about people whose privilege is being threatened trying to keep minorities in their place by being as furious, cruel, irrational and threatening as they can be. This isn’t about games at all. This is about a much broader fight. That said, I don’t think that game would be fun at all. Games are for fun. Thinking about this shit is not fun. 🙁

Which is why I treasure everyone here who can make me laugh at it anyway.

Estwald
Estwald
5 years ago

sparky | October 29, 2014 at 2:24 pm

…why do “dudebro friendly games” have to be in opposition to “feminist friendly games?”

They don’t have to be – but, different games for different interests? If they can’t play nicely together then let them play separately.

…passive female NPCs as background decoration aren’t exactly absolute necessities for fun game play.

For many they are not, but for some they apparently are. Let those “some” play their games while the rest play other games, the games that, according to this article, are being developed by women in a more socially conscious manner.

andiexist | October 29, 2014 at 11:50 am

…“feminist friendly” game doesn’t mean…

…it means games that conform to feminists’ expectations.

You do realize exactly how small the number of games with female protagonists is?

According to the article more are being developed as we “speak.”

A few “feminist” games do not cancel out all the horribleness.

They do, however, provide you with an alternative.


Ugh | October 29, 2014 at 11:53 am

Name one person who has said that we should “replace” dudebro games.

I can name none. (Although, if I were to search far and wide on the internet I might find at least one.)
It does seem, though, that at least some feminists advocate modifying existing games to conform to their expectations; and, I am suggesting that women (feminist?) developers, as mentioned in this article, can continue developing games that conform to feminists’ expectations while the dudebro game playing community can be left alone to play games that may not conform to feminists’ expectations. This would alleviate the impetus to engage in confrontational conflict, as each faction in the conflict would get his or her own way.

booburry | October 29, 2014 at 12:57 pm

…what in the fuck is a “feminist game”?

A “feminist game”… (The term I used was actually “feminist friendly game.”) A feminist friendly game is one that conforms to feminists’ expectations.

Why do you view leaving us out as a “neutral” thing?

I am not advocating “leaving you out.” Instead, I am suggesting a way to separate the warring factions in a way that allows each to get what they are looking for.

What are games that feature more people of color? Civil Rights games?

If by “civil rights games” you mean games that conform to the expectations of civil rights activists, then yes (but I would refer to them as “civil rights friendly games.

Must be nice having the world revolve around you…

I would hope that if my suggestion were implemented, each faction would have the world revolve around them – at least that corner of the world that each occupies.
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sparky
sparky
5 years ago

Estwald:

For many they are not, but for some they apparently are. Let those “some” play their games while the rest play other games, the games that, according to this article, are being developed by women in a more socially conscious manner.

Are you seriously arguing that there should be some sexism in video games because some people like that sort of thing? Do you also think there should be some racism in video games and some homophobia in video games because some people like that sort of thing?

brooked
5 years ago

It does seem, though, that at least some feminists advocate modifying existing games to conform to their expectations; and, I am suggesting that women (feminist?) developers, as mentioned in this article, can continue developing games that conform to feminists’ expectations while the dudebro game playing community can be left alone to play games that may not conform to feminists’ expectations. This would alleviate the impetus to engage in confrontational conflict, as each faction in the conflict would get his or her own way.

I’d just like to give out a quick go fuck yourself for having the clueless temerity to equate “each side of the conflict”. This would be discussion rather than a “conflict” if the majority of GGers weren’t reactionary anti-intellectual asshats and irredeemable Internet trolls.

The video game industry is commercial enterprise that sells units to a consumer market with various demographics, not a culture war with separate ideological factions. I’m sorry if you are unfamiliar with the role of critics and commentators have played in popular media for over a century but that’s not my problem.

pallygirl
pallygirl
5 years ago

@Estwald:

For many they are not, but for some they apparently are. Let those “some” play their games while the rest play other games, the games that, according to this article, are being developed by women in a more socially conscious manner.

This bit of crap stood out for me, from all the other shite you wrote. I have emphasized the problem word. The only bit of game you could purport to “own” is the bit that sits on your CD/DVD/harddrive – but then if you read any of the EULAs, which tend to include parts like the manufacturer may change the game at any time (in there primarily so that game patches can be implemented without legal hassles) you will see that what you actually “own” is a nebulous concept.

Now, I would concede you had a point if women kept coming around and booting you off your device, or physically stealing your games, in order to play. That really wouldn’t be fair, as you wouldn’t have access to “your” game. However, others playing games does not prevent you – on the basis of your sociodemographics – from playing that same game. For example, if you’re playing on a server-based game and the server is full, you are placed in a priority queue to login, and you don’t keep going to the back of the line if you are a heterosexual white man.

So the concepts that are being discussed have nothing to do with “your” games. You didn’t write the plot, voice the characters, write, play, and implement the music, design the characters, and so forth.

These are not *your* games.

And games should be developed in a socially conscious manner, like taking on staff so they have proper working conditions instead of being treated like low paid independent contractors who can be let go at will. But I don’t think you’re talking about that type of social consciousness either.

No one is stopping you playing the games you enjoy. However, you’re trying to stop us – a huge market force – getting games that we enjoy playing. Like, for example, having the option of a female character to play. And yes, all games will be ruined if there’s female characters who actually have protective body armour rather than iron bikinis. FFS my female paladin when I played WoW wore a metal breastplate, and the boobs in it moved when she did on the login screen. Yes, bouncy metal breastplates. /rolls eyes

You’re not being reasonable. You’re using polite language to couch the fact that you’re a completely unreasonable person who doesn’t want to see gaming become more inclusive in its characters and plots.

Skye
Skye
5 years ago

 FFS my female paladin when I played WoW wore a metal breastplate, and the boobs in it moved when she did on the login screen. Yes, bouncy metal breastplates. /rolls eyes.

Wait. What? Bouncy metal breastplate. I just can’t

aebarsars
5 years ago

It seems I offended some people with my post about a hypothetical flash game. Well, apologies, I didn’t mean to. I was, as Misha said, trying to satirize what gamergaters think about SJWs. Such a game would be created by someone opposed to gamergaters, in an attempt piss them off, for the personal amusement of people opposed to them.

pallygirl
pallygirl
5 years ago

And a practical example of why this type of shite is important: real world effects

http://flowingdata.com/2014/10/30/decline-of-women-in-computer-science/

NelC (@NelC)
5 years ago

Estwald:

They don’t have to be – but, different games for different interests? If they can’t play nicely together then let them play separately.

Separate but equal?

Estwald
Estwald
5 years ago

It seems that my suggestion is unpopular among the participants in this conversation. May I remind everyone that it is merely a suggestion intended to help resolve a conflict of interests. You are, of course, always free to ignore or reject a suggestion if you don’t like it.

pallygirl | October 30, 2014 at 2:56 pm

I have emphasized the problem word.

Please let me rephrase to clarify the statement (at the expense of word economy). I have emphasized the changes: For many they are not, but for some they apparently are. Let those “some” play games that appeal to them while the rest play other games that appeal to them, the games that, according to this article, are being developed by women in a more socially conscious manner.

These are not *your* games.

That is correct, since I have never actually played a game on line (probably should have said so from the beginning). Well…actually I did once play a game of chess on line. I am not a “gamer” per se; I don’t have a horse in this race. Instead, I am an observer of human interaction. I have a casual interest in video games; I have moderate aptitude and spend too little time playing to develop my abilities to their full potential. The handful of games that I enjoy playing are on CD Rom, which precludes the manufacturer “changing the game at any time.” For the record, I refuse to read any EULA that is more than one page, or the font is too small, or is not written in plain English.

My interest in video games has become even more “casual” of late since most of them either won’t install on my new computer, or will install but won’t initialize, or will initialize but won’t run. I can’t replace them because no one seems to be selling off line computer games. I even went and looked at games designed for game systems, but found none of them appealing. What I want to know is: when are the manufacturers going to produce some games that conform to my expectations. Furthermore, I am a minority of one, and I am not represented as a character in any game whatsoever.

I do appreciate some of the information that you provided in regards the the structure of the on line gaming world, particularly this:

…if you’re playing on a server-based game and the server is full, you are placed in a priority queue to login…

which tells me that I won’t be getting involved in on line gaming any time soon; I have no interest in waiting in a line to play a game.

No one is stopping you playing the games you enjoy.

Yes, someone is, the people who won’t manufacture or sell “my” games.

However, you’re trying to stop us – a huge market force – getting games that we enjoy playing.

I have offered a suggestion that, if implemented, would allow you to play the games that you enjoy while others play games that they enjoy, and would allow you to play separately from a faction of players who you obviously do not like very much. That constitutes “trying to stop you from playing?”

…having the option of a female character to play.

I like options. In fact, isn’t that the jist of my suggestion – options?

…female characters who actually have protective body armour rather than iron bikinis.

…or, speaking of options, a choice of protective body armor or iron bikinis.

You’re using polite language…

Thank you.

…you’re a completely unreasonable person who doesn’t want to see gaming become more inclusive in its characters and plots.

Offering a suggestion that could result in greater inclusiveness means I don’t want to see gaming become more inclusive?

sparky | October 30, 2014 at 11:49 am

Are you seriously arguing that there should be some sexism in video games because some people like that sort of thing?

I am not saying there should be any particular kind of content. What kinds artistic content others appreciate is none of my business.

If I were to ignore the dictionary and define “sexism” according to how I generally see it used in context, it would have the following definition: Sexism – Failure to conform to feminists’ expectations. I recognize no obligation to conform to feminists’ expectations.

Do you also think there should be some racism in video games and some homophobia in video games because some people like that sort of thing?

I have no opinion as to what content should be included in any game. If I don’t like it I will ignore it. Who determines what is racist? For instance, some claim that Mark Twain’s novel “Huckleberry Finn” is racist; others do not. Who gets the final say?

brooked | October 30, 2014 at 1:33 pm

I’d just like to give out a quick go fuck yourself…

Thank you. I accept your gift and will use it wisely.

for having the clueless temerity to equate “each side of the conflict”.

OK… there is no conflict.
I thought I saw one.
Sorry. I must have been mistaken.

The video game industry is commercial enterprise that sells units to a consumer market with various demographics, not a culture war with separate ideological factions.

It’s hard to tell by looking these days.

I’m sorry if you are unfamiliar with the role of critics and commentators have played in popular media for over a century…

Critics and commentators in the arts usually critique and comment, often with the purpose of informing patrons as to the critic’s opinion of the quality of the work. Critics generally do not advocate that the artist revise the work to conform to the critic’s expectations.

NelC (@NelC) | October 31, 2014 at 9:03 am

Separate but equal?

…a phrase originally invoked by U.S. states whose education systems practiced enforced segregation by race. Nowhere have I suggested any form of segregation that would be enforced by some authority. Instead, it would occur as a self-selection based on personal preferences in entertainment content.

Let’s pretend there is a household with a number of residents. It is Sunday afternoon. This evening the Superbowl is being played. At the same time, the final game of a tied World Series is being played (I know, the World Series and the Superbowl don’t actually occur at the same time, but we’re pretending). Some of the residents want to watch the Superbowl; others would prefer the World Series game. Fortunately, the residence happens to have two rooms. Each has plenty of comfortable seating and each has a large screen television set. I’m sure you can surmise the appropriate resolution for this issue. Separate but equal, indeed.
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vaiyt
5 years ago

Here’s the problem, Estwald. We play the same video games you do, and we have no intention to leave all the stuff we love for asshats who REQUIRE their games to be disrespectful of people who aren’t them.

Pocket Nerd
Pocket Nerd
5 years ago
Reply to  Estwald

Thus Spake ZaraEstwald

If I were to ignore the dictionary and define “sexism” according to how I generally see it used in context, it would have the following definition: Sexism – Failure to conform to feminists’ expectations.

Oh, Nobly Born: The time has come for thee to muse upon thy lack of perspective, and find thereby enlightenment. At this moment, know thou thyself; and abide in that state.

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

Chee-rice-st, Estwald

What a load of crap. You’re so fucking entitled, clueless and scared that somebody will take your sexist caricatures away and your boner will be sad. Of course, that boner is so much more important than the people negatively effected by the sexist shit you get off on.

I cannot believe you expect anyone here’s time. Here is all that needs to be said to you:
You’re ignorant and you are being a sexist shitbag. You do not have a valid point. Stop. Shut up. Listen and learn.

Otherwise, piss off and go play with your make believe boobies.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

Estwald,

You have now spent days arguing against a point nobody has made. Nobody who opposes gg has said dude bro fps games with scantily clad women should be banned. People are only asking for inclusivity.

The two sides are the ones who harass and make threats and the ones who oppose harassment and threats. There can be no plea to moderation. Either harassment and threats are okay or they aren’t. It’s a black and white issue.

And by the way, your statement that critics don’t argue that the makers of movies or music should change their art is absurd. Critics lament the state of the industry they talk about all the damn time.

pawsjones
pawsjones
5 years ago

@Estwald

You said yourself you’re not a gamer. Well, I am, since many years back. And let me tell you, every damn game that has a forum, is FULL of fanbois demanding it should be changed this or that way to cater to them (personally, I might add), or that the latest update is teh DOOM. Why you seem to think women/girls/feminists (which people like you use interchangably for some reason) are not allowed to voice opinions on what are much more serious issues than wether or not someone’s fave class has been nerfed or not, I just can’t fathom.

A lot of the GG shitheads were in diapers or not even born when I first started gaming. They do NOT have some sort of superior claim to games simply because cis!penis. Hell to the no!

Tracy
Tracy
5 years ago

Sea Lion said

If I don’t like it I will ignore it.

Fantastic. Please advise how I can cause you to dislike this comment thread, so that you may commence ignoring it posthaste.

Tracy
Tracy
5 years ago

Also, for anyone who may be feeling fed up and cold-prickly about gaming right now, I highly recommend watching Many A True Nerd’s playthroughs on YouTube. He is making me feel happy about gaming again 🙂 Start with his Fallout 3: Kill Everything run, it’s hilarious and wonderful.

Misha
Misha
5 years ago

@Estwald,

The ongoing grimness of Gamergate, its origins, and the very context of the post in which you’re commenting in, seems to have gone entirely over your head. You’ve minimized the problem as ‘two factions who won’t stop fighting’, which is laughable, and offered the trite solution of ‘why can’t they just ignore each other and game at opposite ends of the room’, a solution so completely lacking in any understanding of context that it couldn’t fail more to address the problem if it tried.

Are you aware that Anita Sarkheesian’s Tropes in Video Games series has already suggested it might be a good idea if there were a few more games that were more varied, inclusive and had more multi-dimensional representations for those who want to play them? That she even stressed that it’s both ok to want games with slightly more variety and to enjoy the games currently lacking this? She was harassed, doxxed, received death and rape threats on an almost daily basis, was forced to leave her home after threats were made to her partner and family members by name and recently had to cancel a talk at Utah State University after a terrorist threat that claimed there would be “the deadliest school shooting in American history” if she didn’t cancel.

So in short: too late, Estwald. It’s already been suggested that more games should be developed with those inclusive ‘feminist expectations’ alongside games that currently lack them. The problem is that one ‘side’ thought it would be acceptable to threaten to kill members of the ‘other’ for daring to suggest this.

pallygirl
pallygirl
5 years ago

I’m going onto the character clothing point because this is really pissing me off. In World of Warcraft – I can’t speak to other games because I’ve not had my characters wear exactly the same outfit – on female characters, the revealingness of the costume varies depending on the race. So, for example, a cloth caster costume will look very revealing on a female human or female dranei or female elf (night or blood) character, but if worn on a female tauren or female dwarf, it won’t be at all revealing.

So the developers haven’t just resized the costumes for female characters, they have redone the entire look depending on whether the race has been programmed to be “sexy” or not. The races that are “sexy” get “sexy” versions of gear.

People – multiple – had to agree to this visualisation idea and then people – multiple – had to program it into the game.

Estwald
Estwald
5 years ago

Tracy | November 1, 2014 at 12:56 pm

Please advise how I can cause you to dislike this comment thread, so that you may commence ignoring it posthaste.

Ignore me.

Lea | November 1, 2014 at 11:50 am

…boner…

Not sure how boners are relevant to the topic of this conversation, or why you are as preoccupied with them as you seem to be.

…piss off and go play with your make believe boobies.

I have better things to do, but thanks for the advice.
In return, I have some advice for you: You should develop some insults that are original and creative; the ones you are using are old and stale.
I’ll leave you with a question to ponder: Whose character is exposed in your comment, mine or yours?

pawsjones | November 1, 2014 at 12:51 pm

Why you seem to think women/girls/feminists (which people like you use interchangably for some reason) are not allowed to voice opinions on what are much more serious issues

Did I say that? Who are “people like me?” Where do I use those words interchangebly?

Pocket Nerd | November 1, 2014 at 11:43 am

Oh, Nobly Born: The time has come for thee to muse upon thy lack of perspective…

Not sure if this is intended as “mockery” (which after all, is the stated theme for this blog); if so, I will say that it is way more original and creative than Lea’s.

vaiyt | November 1, 2014 at 11:38 am

…Estwald. We play the same video games you do…

Doubtful, since I don’t actually play games on line.

…we have no intention to leave all the stuff we love…

Seems you and the gamebros have a conflict of interests. The only way to resolve it would be a pitched battle until one side is crushed and the winner takes all. I’ll take a seat, watch and enjoy the action.

On the other hand…

pallygirl | October 30, 2014 at 2:56 pm
…manufacturer may change the game at any time (in there primarily so that game patches can be implemented…)

…would it be technically feasible to use game patches to easily and inexpensively create different versions of the same game? Then you could play the game with people whose company you enjoy and whose values you share, and avoid playing with a bunch of people that you don’t like very much and whose values are averse to yours.

weirwoodtreehugger | November 1, 2014 at 12:21 pm

You have now spent days…

…actually, only a couple of hours or so, spread out over a period of days.

People are only asking for inclusivity.

What content constitutes “inclusivity?” What measures will be taken to achieve it? How will it change the overall character of content and gameplay?

There can be no plea to moderation. … It’s a black and white issue.

Then battle on; fight the good fight. Crush your opponent; winner takes all. I’ll be watching from the grandstand.

Misha | November 1, 2014 at 1:34 pm

…offered the trite solution… …a solution so completely lacking in any understanding of context that it couldn’t fail more to address the problem if it tried.

I take it that you do not find my suggestion to be useful – fair enough.

You’ve minimized the problem as ‘two factions who won’t stop fighting’, which is laughable…

I thought I saw two factions.
It looked like they were fighting.
Sorry. I must have been mistaken.

She was harassed, doxxed, received death and rape threats on an almost daily basis, was forced to leave her home after threats were made to her partner and family members by name and recently had to cancel a talk at Utah State University after a terrorist threat that claimed there would be “the deadliest school shooting in American history” if she didn’t cancel.

And these are the people with whom you are determined to play games?

Are you aware that Anita Sarkheesian’s Tropes in Video Games series has already suggested it might be a good idea if there were a few more games that were more varied, inclusive and had more multi-dimensional representations for those who want to play them? That she even stressed that it’s both ok to want games with slightly more variety and to enjoy the games currently lacking this?

So, why do the participants in this conversation consider it to be controversial when I offer it as a suggestion, but not when Ms. Sarkheesian offers it?

So in short: too late, Estwald. It’s already been suggested that more games should be developed with those inclusive ‘feminist expectations’ alongside games that currently lack them.

Too late? The article states that there is a least one woman who is actually following Ms. Sarkheesian’s advice and developing the kind of games she suggests.

…the problem as ‘two factions who won’t stop fighting’, which is laughable…

The problem is that one ‘side’ thought it would be acceptable to threaten to kill members of the ‘other’ for daring to suggest this.

Now I’m getting confused. If there are not two factions fighting, then how can one side act collectively to threaten the other side when there are no sides in the first place.
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cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
5 years ago

This is the kind of guy who’d see one kid walk up and randomly punch another kid and then ask both kids why they’re fighting.

Puddleglum
5 years ago

Wow quite the teel deer. Didn’t read it. Though I will give points for paragraphs and use of commenter’s actual names.

Still not really sure why we’re supposed to care about zir opinion. But since there’s a sea lion in the thread…

http://web.stanford.edu/~siegelr/galapagos/galapagos2010/IMG_9833%20sea%20lion%20resize.jpg

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

I will never understand why neutrality trolls put so much effort into defending demonstrably false claims of equivalence. How is it fun to spend days arguing about something you don’t even care about? I just don’t get it. I guess it’s because I don’t falsely and smugly believe myself superior to everyone else.

sparky
sparky
5 years ago

Estwald:

Now I’m getting confused. If there are not two factions fighting, then how can one side act collectively to threaten the other side when there are no sides in the first place.

Wait, really? You’re response to “one ‘side’ of the gamergate issue is sending rape and death threats to women who have opinions about video games, therefore the two sides aren’t equivalent” is “but I thought you said there weren’t two factions?” Seriously? The point soared that far over your head?

You’re willful obtuseness is showing.

Robert
Robert
5 years ago

Sparky – you might say that the obtuseness is acute.

The fact that 4Chan – 4CHAN! – booted the Gaters says so much about how appalling they’ve been. And now 8Chan and Encyclopedia Dramatica are a-bloo-bloo-blooing about that. If your biggest online fans hang out there, you should stop selling death sticks, go home, and rethink your life.

Regarding the ‘both sides’ shtik, someone (possibly on Twitter, maybe here) offered this example: if one side says All puppies should be kicked and the other says No puppies should be kicked, proposing that SOME puppies be kicked is not a reasonable compromise.

ParadoxicalIntention
ParadoxicalIntention
5 years ago

I find it funny that GamerGaters (and MRAs, now that I think about it), seem to have a love for My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. A cartoon created by a feminist, that has a main cast of female characters, where the magical land is RUN by women (All hail Celestia and Luna!), whose catchphrase has become “love and tolerance”, and has feminist overtones.

Really, the irony is delicious.