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Men's Rights Activists: PR Geniuses, Part XXVI

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So Cosmo ran a piece by Jill Filipovic on A Voice for Men’s phony WhiteRibbon site, and, as surely as winter follows fall, the AVFM comments brigade showed up to offer their unique brand of wisdom.

Take it away, Samuel Twain:

Samuel Twain · Top Commenter Bahahahahahahahaha, Cosmo is full of morons and gold digger trash. When are you women going to get jobs and start paying your own way instead of what you do now....whine whine and more whining...lol. I have yet to meet a feminist that wasn't getting by by using some white knight mangina mother fucker. I thought you gashes could take care of bidness?lol Reply · Like · Follow Post · 5 hours ago      Natalie Rose Apar · Follow · Top Commenter · Administrative Specialist to the Finance Department at SAAVI - Southern Arizona Association for the Visually Impaired     So, you got that information from doing a rectal pull, I assume? In 2013, women made up more than half of the professional and technical workforce in the United States. Try checking a fact sometime. Also, non sequitur, but most women aren't interested in your dangling, frontal skintag.     Reply · Like · 2 hours ago     Samuel Twain · Top Commenter     bahahahaa nothing I like more than watching some hot headed gash get her panties in a twist...lol She said work ahahahahahahahaaha paaalease     Reply · Like · about an hour ago

Now, before any MRAs reading this ask how I know that Mr. Twain isn’t just some troll with nothing to do with the Men’s Rights movement or AVFM, bla bla bla, well, as you can see, Cosmo uses Facebook for its comments. And following Mr. Twain’s comment back to his Facebook profile you can see that he regularly posts MRA propaganda and AVFM memes, is a member of a Facebook group called Men’s Human Rights Movement, and, oh yeah, his friends list is filled with AVFM staffers.

So yeah, MRAs, he’s one of yours.

HUMAN RIGHTS, YO!

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tomtom94speaks
6 years ago

And Cosmo have achieved redpill bingo!

Kootiepatra
Kootiepatra
6 years ago

I… I am trying to figure out why saying the word “work” is either funny, or a sign of twisted undergarments.

Really mature, this one.

Lea
Lea
6 years ago

“Ho, ho, it’s funny that you’d call me sexist, you gendered slur. Har, har, I’m so smart to be telling female journalists to get jobs. Ha, ha.”

*blink*

This is a man who believes himself to be intellectually superior to women and most men.

*blink*

Just let that massive lack of self awareness soak in.

Wetherby
6 years ago

I have yet to meet a feminist who wasn’t getting by by using some white knight mangina mother fucker

My wife is a feminist, and could support herself just fine without my input – she has an unusual technical/medical skillset which pretty much guarantees that she’ll never be unemployed. Even if we split up, she easily earns enough to pay for a childminder, and so from a purely economic POV I’m entirely replaceable.

But since we’re mature and intelligent adults, we know that human relationships are about much, much more than crude economics and notions of “using” people for selfish ends.

Kevin K
Kevin K
6 years ago

And again…please tell me he’s 12…please?

This is someone with such low self-esteem that one wonders how he even manages to trudge down to his mom’s basement to eat Cheetos and play his little games.

Never mind telling a woman to “get a job” who is being paid by Cosmo to criticize his little “hobby”. Yes, dude…she got paid to pwn you.

RAL
RAL
6 years ago

Just clicked on that link. He seems to have pulled his facebook page-
“This content is currently unavailable”

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Jill Filipovic does have a job; probably several. Cosmo is a paying writer’s market, after all. So that “get a job” crap that all these ‘wingers pull is really not only stale and old, but totally inaccurate. Women work more jobs per capita than men do, thanks to the pay gap.

And really: “Gash”? Um, vulvae are not wounds. Penises are NOT the default setting, after all.

proxieme
proxieme
6 years ago

It’s still there on my end.

And he seems like a real charmer! /s

dslak
dslak
6 years ago

The Facebook link worked when I clicked on it, thought I now wish it hadn’t.

CirceMoon/BelleChatonne
CirceMoon/BelleChatonne
6 years ago

@Bina, thanks, I didn’t even know what “gash” meant. I guess I’m not up to speed on my misogynistic hate-speech.

And you’re absolutely correct that male isn’t the default setting, biologically. It’s female. Not that that means anything at all about any gender being “better” than the other, but it’s basic biology, nonetheless.

lkeke35
6 years ago

Wetherby: You are remarkably fortunate in that this woman has chosen to spend her life with you. 🙂 (And the key words in that sentence are “chosen” and “with you”.) I don’t think people, like the man/child above, believe in the existence of love, which is why love is not a factor for them.

myfuzzypaws
myfuzzypaws
6 years ago

I’m going to assume that this one of those young middle-class young men with with low self esteem. They tend to believe that women have always been able to sit around eating bon bons all day while the men folk busted their hump for them. It smacks of classism. We all know that women have had to work since time immemorium. I’m not even going to differentiate between working for a paycheck and working for your family either. Work is work. I really don’t understand this reductionist thinking that marraige is a financial transaction and not two people loving each other and wanting to work as a team and enjoy each other. I would feel sorry for people like him, but I’ll save it for someone who isn’t a complete shit.

daintydougal
daintydougal
6 years ago

I wish these ‘guys’ could come face to face with some actual radfems. They lose their minds over the most innocuous stuff. What would they do if mainstream ‘feminazis’ actually started calling for widespread castration and whatever else these doofuses fantasise about? Maybe it will make them happy. Much of it seems to stem from rebelling against mummy. Maybe mummy needs to be more strict.

hellkell
hellkell
6 years ago

Of course he took down his Facebook. These guys are like roaches when you shine light on them.

hellkell
hellkell
6 years ago

Oh wait, it’s still up, you just have have an account or be logged in. Yep, he’s an out and proud shitstain.

itsabeast
itsabeast
6 years ago

Mark Twain would look disdainfully down his mustache at this twit.

jo
jo
6 years ago

There seems to be an idea among MRAs that women don’t work, we just laze around manipuliting men into doing it for us. Both today and historically. How blind can they get I wonder?

Off topic but on the topic of working women, I found out about this recently, thought it was really cool:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tr%C3%BCmmerfrau
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_Timber_Corps

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

lol She said work ahahahahahahahahaaha paaalease

Hah hah hah it’s funny because a female person used a common word from the English language!

daintydougal
daintydougal
6 years ago

It’s it normally pur-lease. Dude can’t even get his sarcasm right.

RAL
RAL
6 years ago

hellkell
Duh! Yes, I should have realised I would have to have an account and be logged in. But I have no intention of getting a farcebook account.

bbz
bbz
6 years ago

How did these guys get to be so foul? Under the very same cultural influences, most people I know I lovely.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

He’s probably one of those dudes who thinks women “working” is just lounging around in the office eating bon bons or something, hence laughing at the word “work.”

This is an anonymous asshole loudly scoffing at the very idea of a woman working… to a woman who’s title as administrative specialist in finance is listed directly under her name. How much more daft could you get? Next he’ll be throwing popcorn at the glass while a female surgeon is operating, calling her stupid and lazy and wondering loudly when the actual surgeon will come in.

All those red pills must have formed a fine insulation layer around his brain, protecting him from reality.

grumpyoldnurse
6 years ago

@ Lea – thanks for pointing that out. I never needed to sleep again, anyway.

@ Wetherby – feminist woman here who also earns more money than her male partner, and could support herself and our children financially if Mr.Grump and I split. However, like you and your partner, I really hope we don’t split, for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with money. Think these guys will ever figure something like that out?

Generally, this MRA, like so many others, whinge about how feminists live off men. What I’ve found, though, in my own experience, is that it’s mostly traditional, non-feminist identifying women who ‘live off of’ the men in their lives, whereas self-identifying feminists tend to form more financially equitable partnerships. This includes feminist SAHM’s, who, in my experience, add a whole lot of non-monetary value to the life style of their families, and are usually too Damn busy to lounge about all day eating teh bonbons. Why do guys like this one conflate these two very different groups? Are all women one monolith with a literal hive mind? If so, why do I keep missing the memos?

TL;DR – any self-admitted gold diggers that I have ever met were anti-feminist, very traditional women.

grumpyoldnurse
6 years ago

All those red pills must have formed a fine insulation layer around his brain, protecting him from reality.

Snerk.

Now, if only the insulating layer would transport him and his ilk to a dimension far, far removed from our own.

scarlettpipstrelle
6 years ago

A common tactic of bullies is to provoke by pushing the victim until they react. Then blaming and punishing the victim. If they don’t get a rise out of the victim, they crank up the outrageousness factor another notch, and another, and another, until they do. A compliant or scared victim can find his or her life twisted into a pretzel and stuffed in a shoe box of impossibility, just by going along and trying to keep the peace. This feels like an instance of that. I feel in my gut that Elam knew he was transgressing common decency and that all his protests that what he is doing is ok are just the theatrics of a planned hostile social aggression. Perhaps he even believes himself, having worked up a head of rage-steam. He’s on a trajectory that isn’t normal behavior, that’s for sure. In Bram Stoker’s book, Van Helsing describes Dracula as having a child-mind, as pushing the limits in an incremental and inductive sort of way, one milestone at a time. I feel like I’m seeing something similar here. Could just be my imagination, sure, but I’ve seen it done elsewhere.

Kootiepatra
Kootiepatra
6 years ago

Also: Twain’s totally mature comments are proof that the problem with internet toxicity really has very little to do with anonymity.

samantha
6 years ago

@Bina:

So that “get a job” crap that all these ‘wingers pull is really not only stale and old, but totally inaccurate. Women work more jobs per capita than men do, thanks to the pay gap.

I think that what these guys mean with the “get a job” crap is that women should get the kinds of jobs that men WANT and NEED to see us in. You know, waitress, nurse, elementary school teacher, piano teacher, sex worker. Something that pays less, has little political power, and that men can pat us on the head for. Or wifey. That’s a good one. Anything in the service industries. But NEVER anything that pays well, confers a higher and more respected status and encourages our independence.

grumpyoldnurse
6 years ago

@ samantha – good point! Just want to add that nurse, although a traditional ‘female’ job, maybe doesn’t actually belong on the list, any more. Thanks to unions, nurses in unionised jurisdictions are actually paid very well, compared to other careers with comparable levels of education. Also, thanks to unions, we even have some political clout in certain places. Your actual point still stands, though, so I hope this objection isn’t taken as a derailing attempt on my part.

Shadow_Bee
Shadow_Bee
6 years ago

fuminists are golddiggers and can’t get by without using MENZ

hey guys I have an awesome idea why don’t we leech off a feminist organization’s name to get money

what no that’s not hypocritical at all what are you talking about

lkeke35
6 years ago

I think it’s interesting to note that a certain contingent of the “get a jobbers” are men who live off other women. (Sometimes their mothers.) And since they don’t have jobs themselves, but feel because they’re men, that they should, they resent having to rely on the women in their lives who do.

Scarlettathena
6 years ago

I only know a handful of women that don’t work. Every other person I know has a job and the married couples share all the domestic chores.

Of those that don’t work, a couple are retired now, but they did work their whole lives.

My cousin is one of the stay-at-home moms with a wealthy hubby, but she hardly sits around eating bonbons. She takes care of the house and three young kids, helps her dad with the mom who has Alzheimer’s, and volunteers at the school (the kids go to private school, and there is a discount for parents who volunteer). The decision for her to stay home was an economic one: it was cheaper than getting daycare for the little ones. She talks about maybe going back to work when they get older and she doesn’t need to do the volunteer stuff.

The one friend who fits the MRA-rage to a tee is one who is now divorced and gets a big alimony payment from the ex. The husband is now remarried to a younger woman (a woman he cheated on my friend with, btw), so I don’t think he’s gone full-on MRA (don’t know since I got disgusted with a lot of his behavior several years back and the rationalizations about how my friend is some awful demon spawn evil woman even though he dumped her). But, if one takes a dispassionate look at their history, one would see that she got pregnant sooner than they had planned, and they made the choice that she wouldn’t finish college so she could raise the children. Like with my cousin, this was cheaper than childcare. There are lots of sad twists, like one of the children is mentally ill (bipolar & borderline) and there was a huge adjustment period while they tried to get her treatment and meds and all that. There were suicide attempts, runaway attempts, and so much other totally not fun activities to deal with – which he shirked because he was working his high-powered job. Every time my friend has tried to finish her degree, the daughter has an episode. Eventually, my friend suffered exhaustion and it turns out she has depression issues. The ex couldn’t deal with the mentally ill daughter (who he declared was just acting out and needed discipline, blaming my friend, who herself was trying to get it together psychologically) and the depressed wife, so he cheated, then declared he needed “space to get his head together” and then said he wanted to end it.

There’s more to that story, but I think that friend totally earned her part of their money in that relationship. In fact, she still has to care for the mentally ill daughter, who is now in her late-20s, and because of various issues was unable to finish college, so she’s piecing together a living. My friend has found jobs here and there and has renters for her spare rooms. She’s hardly living it up, but I’m sure MRAs would say she as exploitative.

zoon echon logon
zoon echon logon
6 years ago

Any work that women do isn’t real work. You administer a charity for the blind? Pfft, probably just shuffle papers and gossip. The only real jobs are oil rig roughneck, coal miner, venture capitalist, and cowboy. If a woman does one of those she’s either an incompetent diversity hire or she slept her way there.

So, no evidence that women do work will refute the claim that women don’t do work. The fact that redpill theories are unfalsifiable means they’re extra true!

/sarcasm

scarlettpipstrelle
6 years ago

Also astronaut, scientist, engineer, soldier, secret agent … no way a woman could do any of those!

Lea
Lea
6 years ago

Scarlettathena,
That sounds like a very tough situation. I wish your friend the best.

ktrantingredhead
6 years ago

My guess is this person has not met very many feminists. I have never been supported by a man unless of course you count when I was a child and my parents supported me. Of course to this asshole that probably means that I was just born a Golddigger because you know… I was a kid and I need someonr to take care of me… And I couldn’t go out and get a job or prostitute myself when I was three…..but had I gotten a job or prostituted myself so that I could support myself when I was three then I would just be a whore. As the article asks… Is it ever okay to be a woman?

zennurse
zennurse
6 years ago

@samantha @grumpyold nurse I was a non-custodial mom for 7 years, my ex moved my kids to a bordering state and immediately quit his job. I paid child support of $750/month and provided health insurance for him and the kids, all the things these guys bitch about. This was late 80’s into the nineties, working as a nurse in community health, no big paycheck when you are grant funded for HIV/AIDS and breast cancer outreach. I can empathize with that perspective but not with the all or nothing nonsense.

Re: women doing nothing for men’s issues, I’d like to also mention the thousands of women, especially but not limited to nurses, who walked side by side and did a mountain of work in those early AIDs efforts. I was there, did what I could but many nurses around this country worked with men of all ages and definitions to create the environment we see today. That was the model for what you see in Breast Cancer now.

Newbie and glad to find you.

Zolnier
Zolnier
6 years ago

A nasty little historical trend regarding women working is that when a field dominated by women became very important it often was suddenly flooded by men. Computer programming is a good example, first it was mostly considered women’s work, but once it became clear computing is the closest thing science has to magic and would probably be the foundation of modern society for centuries to come, suddenly it was a field obviously suited to men.

scarlettpipstrelle
6 years ago

My mother was an early computer programmer, trained by her company (there was no other way to learn back then). As the years went by, men got promoted, women’s careers mostly stagnated, then in the 70s we entered the age of mass layoffs for “business reason” and by the 1980s the early IT women had target circles on their backs.

Faint Praise
Faint Praise
6 years ago

They’re really swarming the comments of that article now. I like this one that unironically suggests women should be raising children, not working:

http://i.imgur.com/dzAAu7e.png

jo
jo
6 years ago

Whatever women do, it’s wrong!

Zolnier
Zolnier
6 years ago

Of course that leaves women who’re asexual/aromantic or infertile out in the cold, but I can’t really expect these people to remember that sort of thing. It’s only fucking obvious.

schwadevivre
6 years ago

A story about how outdated Mr S Stain – sorry! Twain – actually is. During the Second World War in Britain men who could fly were the only ones allowed to fight. This made for a problem in delivering new and replacement aircraft to the air stations as there were too few men to go round. The problem was solved by allowing women to Join the Air Transport Auxiliary. The pilots of the ATA were asked to fly all types of aircraft; Spitfires and Hurricanes, Beauforts and Mosquitoes.

One day one of these brave women (the aircraft flew unarmed) was delivering a light bomber to a station when she was confronted on landing by a welcoming committee of middle ranking brass. She climbed out and walked over to them and asked to which hangar the aircraft should be delivered. She was informed that the officers would rather tell the pilot in person When she informed them that she was the pilot a junior was sent to search the aircraft for the “real” pilot. Red faces all round when the minion returned saying there was no other person in the aircraft even when hiding places were checked.

In other words these sort of attitudes towards women were outdated 70 years ago.

M. the Social Justice Ranger
M. the Social Justice Ranger
6 years ago

“Feminism is a Marxist based ideology nothing more. Nothing to do with getting equal rights it is about installing a Marxist society on all of us. If you think that is a good thing then i suggest you take a good look at other attempts to install Marxism onto any society. Start with Germany in the 1930’s then Russia 1950’s, then look at China and the horror inflicted there.”

Ignoring the “Feminism is Marxism!” idiocy for a moment, because I don’t have enough caffeine in me to deal with that, what is it with right-wingers and trying to historically revise the Nazis into communists? It’s not going to work.

tenya
tenya
6 years ago

@FaintPraise
Yep, no problem with complaining that women are all just dependent on men to a woman that is working, then admonishing them for the being too old and why don’t they just get drop out of the workforce and depend on a man? Don’t worry, if anyone had any doubt that no matter what you do as a woman you’ll be wrong and these guys will hate you for it, this would be a good example.

signed,
yet another breadwinner by a wide margin married lady

Mewens
Mewens
6 years ago

And “Russia 1950’s” is pretty mind-blowing too. Like, three decades to the left, buddy; you took a wrong turn at McCarthy.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Samuel Twain is right. Women don’t ever work. Remember? We learned that a couple months ago from the telemarketer who lamented that woman executives were always out of the office or on vacation when he called.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

Also: Twain’s totally mature comments are proof that the problem with internet toxicity really has very little to do with anonymity.

I’m reasonably confident that this guy’s real name is not Samuel Twain.

Kakanian
Kakanian
6 years ago

@jo

Trümmerfrau wasn’t an occupation, but rather a necessity. Remember that the majority of able-bodied men in Germany and Austria were imprisoned for between one and two years in various camps right after the war as a security measure, leaving no option other than calling the women out of the factories and into the streets for cleanup and reconstruction.

Which is why the period of the Trümmerfrauen ended in 1947, when the men returned home in singificant numbers.

Mary
Mary
6 years ago

fuminists are golddiggers and can’t get by without using MENZ

This, to me, is one of the more confounding things falling out of the mouths of MRAs of various ilks. I see this a lot in comment sections; they describe a “feminism” that reads more like some throwback to what was expected of women in the 1950s, a la How to Marry Millionaire. It’s such a profoundly, even willfully confused rendering of what feminism strives toward, and they are so intractably married to that bizarre interpretation, that it comes close sometimes to smacking of quasi-sexual fantasy, as much MRA-speak does.

samantha
6 years ago
Reply to  grumpyoldnurse

Your actual point still stands, though, so I hope this objection isn’t taken as a derailing attempt on my part.

Not at all, GrumpyOldMan. I was thinking along the lines of women can be nurses, but doctors are men. I realize that that no longer is true, but the attitude still exists. 🙂

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