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Presented with evidence of one of their own sexually harassing a woman, GamerGaters deny and deflect and offer excuses

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GamerGaters like to loudly profess that they oppose harassment. They also like to claim that most if not all of the harassment that has occurred comes from people that aren’t “real” GamerGaters.

So what do GamerGaters do when they’re confronted with evidence that someone in their ranks — not an anonymous nobody but someone with some standing in their community —  is harassing someone?

Well yesterday we had an opportunity to see just that. I wrote about a couple of instances of sexual harassment from a GamerGater known as Cameralady.

While not as famous as GamerGate celebs like Milo Yiannopoulos or InternetAristocrat or, you know, Adam Baldwin, Cameralady is, at least in Gamergate circles, a bit of a player. She was an early and especially eager opponent of Zoe Quinn, and devoted a great deal of time and energy to digging up dirt on Quinn and others. Many of her “findings” made it into GamerGate propaganda on the web and in assorted YouTube videos.

And her sexual harassment was about as blatant as it gets. In the midst of an argument on Twitter, she tweeted a crude sexual come-on to a woman who opposes GamerGate, and was immediately told to get lost. A week later, in the midst of another Twitter argument, she Tweeted another crude come-on to the same woman. The evidence was as plain as day, and I included it all in my post.

So what happened after I posted a link to my post in the #GamerGate hashtag on Twitter? Did other GamerGaters call her out on her behavior?

Well, no. Instead I was besieged by dozens — hundreds? — of tweets from GamerGaters who assured me that the harassment wasn’t harassment at all.

The tone of the discussion was set early on by Cameralady herself, who insisted that her harassment was simple “flirtation” and that anyone who thought otherwise was some sort of anti-sex puritan prude.

https://twitter.com/The_Camera_Girl/status/524967395715477504

https://twitter.com/The_Camera_Girl/status/524968506480410624

https://twitter.com/The_Camera_Girl/status/524969608043044864

I’m not exactly sure how that would absolve her for her bad behavior. If you shoot someone and you miss, you’ve still committed a crime. If you crudely proposition someone who earlier told you to get lost and they for some reason don’t hear you, well, same thing. Also, the woman she harassed did in fact see her tweet.

She also tried to explain that what she was doing really was flirting, and that I didn’t understand because I’m not a lesbian.

Later, she tried another excuse.

https://twitter.com/The_Camera_Girl/status/525087005823483904

Apparently she sends crude sexual comments to so many women she can’t keep track!

Other GamerGaters did their best to minimize, deny and deflect.

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Even those who accepted that what had happened was harassment did their best to change the subject.

But if you really want a sense of the sheer horror of dealing with GamerGaters on Twitter, well, you’re just going to have to jump headlong into the middle of it.

Here you can see all of the responses to my Tweet linking to my post. Here you will encounter every type of deflection known to humankind, as you scroll downward through an argument that never seems to end.

Witness the terror of endless arguments with people who ask for proof that is already in the article they are ostensibly discussing! Hear the demands for screenshots that have already been given to them!

I never know if they’re really this obtuse, or if they’re just screwing with me.

It reminds me a lot of this classic Monty Python sketch. The only difference is that the Monty Python sketch is over in six minutes, while Twitter never ends.

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donovandigital
donovandigital
6 years ago

Fucking WaPo story

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/09/12/with-gamergate-the-video-game-industrys-growing-pains-go-viral/

with a stock photo of whitebread douchebros, not a person of color or woman in sight. Where are my awesome cosplayers?

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
6 years ago

I think if you create a fake screencap mocking you being on the autism spectrum and argue that harassment is flirting when you do it because you are a lesbian as justification for abusive behavior, then both those assertions are going to be evaluated. Particularly by peeps who are lesbians and or on the spectrum.

donovandigital
donovandigital
6 years ago

That is utter nonsense.

Please supply examples of strictly _sexual_ harassment by males in GG. Plenty of sexualized violence, but no overt comeons or catcalls. Sexual attraction is a sign of weakness for males in that crowd. MGTOW (while obsessing over women and their evil ways) doncha know.

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

Wow, a troll without a consistent point. How unusual.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

Please supply examples of strictly _sexual_ harassment by males in GG.

WTF are you talking about? How did you get from “nobody would put up with her bullshit half as long if she were a man” to “male GGers never sexually harass anyone”?

Go home, adults are talking here.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
6 years ago

PoM, the Cameralady twitted a fake screencap of one of the targeted women calling her an effing aspie.
Remind you of someone whose initials are JB dunnitz?

donovandigital
donovandigital
6 years ago

Y’know, all due respect to all y’all but this is the second time somebody found an excuse to call me a troll on some pretty flimsy evidence. Today is just not the day for it, as this shitstorm is really getting me down. Let’s just agree to disagree without being disagreeable, mkay? Not like I came here calling for the public execution by scarab of Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian, amirite?

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

@thebewilderness

Yes, yes it does.

What I don’t get is how people here speculating about cameralady’s neurotypicality and/or gender is helpful, either in a general sense or to people with autism.

I will disclose that I am on medication right now, and it could be that this is completely obvious but I’m not seeing it.

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

Build a bridge, live under it.

donovandigital
donovandigital
6 years ago

And, hey, it’s entirely possible that I missed male GGs sexually harassing people (as opposed to threatening sexual violence). Frankly I find reading this shit quite draining and don’t consume as much of it, maybe, as you guys and gals do. The solution would be to treat this as a genuine request for information until proven otherwise, hmm?

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

I missed male GGs sexually harassing people (as opposed to threatening sexual violence).

Again: WTF are you on about? Why are you drawing some kind of arbitrary line between “sexual harassment” and “threats of sexual violence,” as though threatening to rape someone is in some way not harassment of a sexual nature? How did you get from me denying your completely reality-free assertion that women get away with sexual harassment twice as long as men, to this bullshit about how GGers might be many things but they aren’t sexual harassers?

The solution would be to treat this as a genuine request for information until proven otherwise, hmm?

Entitled much?

Tracy
Tracy
6 years ago

So… male GG’s have threatened sexual violence, but they haven’t sexually harassed anyone? Really? Realllllllly?

hellkell
hellkell
6 years ago

Her bullshit would be going on twice as long if she were a man.

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

It”s Trolly McTrollerswampmud

@Policy of Madness, what you checked in your posts are the tells.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

There is this thing called google that one can use to find information on the internet, rather than expecting others to do it for you.

hellkell
hellkell
6 years ago

donovan: go word vomit somewhere else.

M. the Social Justice Ranger
M. the Social Justice Ranger
6 years ago

@Policy of Madness

YouTube, Twitter (not even counting that faked screenshot because yeah, fake), 4Chan, Something Awful, Cheezburger, random no-name forums and comment sections… I’ve seen it get thrown around more often than “Stupid” over the past year. I dunno, maybe I just notice it more than other insults because it offends me more than other insults.

As for furthering, because those types of people see her shitty behaviour and file it under “Another autistic asshole,” although I suppose that’s going to happen whether or not she’s lying, isn’t it. Ugh.

donovandigital
donovandigital
6 years ago

As I mentioned, I’ve had a long day and I apologize if I’m asking anybody to do unnecessary work. The distinction I make exists for GGers, as far as I can tell – _not_ for me. My point is that a man doing the stuff she is doing would be quickly categorized as a “beta” and ostracized. But, like I said, I stumbled across this bullshit in the last 3 days or so and probably haven’t been paying attention as much as you guys. i’m perfectly willing to take your word for it if you tell me i’m wrong. I didn’t come here to debate this, or anything, only to try and find some sympathetic ppl who understand how I feel when someone comes to what I consider a safe (and _inclusive_) space and takes a big shit on the carpet.

That said, perhaps it would be beneficial to make a distinction between “ignorant” and “troll”.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

@M. the Social Justice Ranger

I think I understand, and you’re correct, and I agree.

hellkell
hellkell
6 years ago

Donovan, your ignorance and your wanting us to fix it IS taking a shit on our carpet.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Why not split the difference and call it tone trolling (which is what it is)?

Shiraz
Shiraz
6 years ago

“The solution would be to treat this as a genuine request for information until proven otherwise, hmm?”

You could find some of that right here on this site by simply using the search engine — same with any of the linked web sites in the side bar. Type in “gamer.” Go ahead. You can do it. Why is the burden to prove your claim on us?

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

I predict that donovandigital is only a short distance from angrily deciding that those damned feminists are vicious and cruel, mainly because I wouldn’t let ‘splaining, completely false statements, and bizarre hairsplitting about what sexual harassment is, really, just slide without comment.

donovandigital
donovandigital
6 years ago

@hellkell sorry about that. I’ll try to do better.

donovandigital
donovandigital
6 years ago

No, trust me, I know digging through this sewer is work and I don’t really have any right o ask anyone else to do it for me. Maybe I had it coming, maybe I didn’t, but I certainly didn’t expect it. Maybe next time it’ll be less painful., or maybe there won’t be a next time, who knows. Only babies and MRAs flounce away and promise to never come back.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
6 years ago

I first noticed it on Skepchick over the elevator guy. Men were desperate to convince anyone who would listen that he must be a socially awkward guy and quite possibly autistic.
It was absurd. Creepy d00ds do that exact thing she described all the effing time and people on the autism spectrum are just about the least likely people to do such a thing.
It is myth creation, pure and simple. The person who was there could not convince them otherwise. Because they want a scapegoat for when they play at being “real men” who don’t whatever.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

The thing is, if you come in to a feminist space and say “well, it’s not like they were sexually harassing people, they were just sending rape threats”, how do you think that’s going to come across?

M. the Social Justice Ranger
M. the Social Justice Ranger
6 years ago

@Policy of Madness

Alright, glad we got that sorted out then, thankyou. ^^;; I know have trouble explaining myself sometimes, heh.

hellkell
hellkell
6 years ago

Donovan: You might be very passionate this, but your approach sucks.

M. the Social Justice Ranger
M. the Social Justice Ranger
6 years ago

*I know I have.

And trouble typing, apparently! =P

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

@M. the Social Justice Ranger

I think it was a combination of miscommunication and misunderstanding, both on my part and nothing to do with you. I’m sorry for not getting it immediately.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Former tech person here, used to work with lots of dudes on the spectrum. Most of them will barely even make eye contact with random women in the elevator, must less invite you up to their room for a cup of (wink) coffee. Talk at you for half an hour about the piece of code they’re trying to debug when you have no idea what they’re on about and all you asked was “how’s it going?”, sure, but randomly proposition you for sex while in transit? Not so much, no.

donovandigital
donovandigital
6 years ago

“well, it’s not like they were sexually harassing people, they were just sending rape threats”

I’m sorry, but I have to disagree with that characterization. I was referring specifically to their internal politics/group dynamics, rather than attempting to somehow say that sexual violence threats are less bad than sexual harassment. I may be stupid, but I’m not that stupid.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
6 years ago

@donovan Can you even believe, in retrospect, that you said “trust me” after we all demonstrated so very clearly that we were so totes not doing that.

#shutupwoody

katz
6 years ago

Did I spot a sea lion in this thread? (I love that sea lioning is now a thing.)

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Are Falconer’s babbies available? I need someone small enough to get under the couch to search for my eyeballs.

donovandigital
donovandigital
6 years ago

You might be very passionate this, but your approach sucks.

Duh. It’s like my 10th post, and no matter how much I want to I can’t really binge on all the comments all the time, or take a womens’ studies class until I transfer to my new school.

I sure ain’t perfect but I try harder.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

@donovandigital

Do you realize that we can all look upthread and see what you wrote? That this is still available and we can see exactly what you wrote before?

Shiraz
Shiraz
6 years ago

Yeah, I don’t get this:

You quoted yourself:
““well, it’s not like they were sexually harassing people, they were just sending rape threats”

Then went on to post this:

“I’m sorry, but I have to disagree with that characterization. I was referring specifically to their internal politics/group dynamics, rather than attempting to somehow say that sexual violence threats are less bad than sexual harassment. I may be stupid, but I’m not that stupid.”

What on earth do you mean?

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

Boring obvious troll is boring and obvious.

Anyone bought any nice bras lately?

1.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

I am currently in the market for (fake) fur lined booties for winter, preferably cheap ones. Any recommendations?

donovandigital
donovandigital
6 years ago

@Policy of Madness

yep, and now if you thought I meant A, I am now telling you I meant B. Sorry for the confusion. You can chalk it up to my crappy writing skills. Good now, or any additional questions?

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
6 years ago

@ donovan We know what MGTOW are and, unlike you, we do not pretend that gamergators are all M who have GTOW. You effing do your own effing research and read what you wrote up thread on this very thread. Or hire a research assistant. Criminy!

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
6 years ago

Sorry David, cross posted.

hellkell
hellkell
6 years ago

Duh. It’s like my 10th post, and no matter how much I want to I can’t really binge on all the comments all the time, or take a womens’ studies class until I transfer to my new school.

You can fuck off now.

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

Sorry, couldn’t find the entire, original SNL sketch on YouTube, so vimeo will have to do.

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

Oh, vimeo embeds now too. I thought it would post a link.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Smooches!

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

yep, and now if you thought I meant A, I am now telling you I meant B. Sorry for the confusion. You can chalk it up to my crappy writing skills. Good now, or any additional questions?

Oh, I see. So when you posted:

it’s entirely possible that I missed male GGs sexually harassing people (as opposed to threatening sexual violence).

and I thought that meant that you were opposing sexual harassment and sexual violence, as being not the same thing, because that’s what the word “oppose” means, that was just my flight of fancy and not at all you betraying that you need a remedial course in how to pretend that women are people.

Alrighty then!